This week’s discussion follows the folkways of those from ”
Albion’s Seed: Four British Folkways in America by David Hackett Fischer. 1989 (New York: Oxford University Press). Paperback available from https://www.amazon.com/Albions-Seed-British-Folkways-cultural/dp/0195069056
OTHER LINKS WE MENTION
- David Hackett Fischer – Pulitzer Prize Winner
- 50 years a Professor at Brandeis University
- The Power of Regionalism
- Albion’s Seed reviewed by Nelson Rosit “David Hackett Fischer has performed several notable services in writing Albion’s Seed. First, he has brought to American historiography the approach of the French school of the Annales begun by Georges Dumezil and developed further by Fernando Braudel. French social historians have been concerned with both continuity and change over long periods of time. American historians of the 20th century have written history that is almost exclusively concerned with the new.”
- What to do if your colonial America ancestors didn’t come in one of these four British migrations?
We learn by comparing and contrasting the history and culture of a community with others. Though you may not have early British immigrants to America, this study group offers ideas about what folkways to look for. The ones marked with a red asterisk below are those I’ll tend to focus on during our discussions in this series.
- East Anglia to Massachusetts: The Exodus of the English Puritans 1629-41 (video & links we mention)
- The South of England to Virginia: Distressed Cavaliers and Indentured Servants 1642-75 (video & links we mention)
- North Midlands to the Delaware: The Friends’ Migration 1675-1725 (this blog post)
- NEXT 7 Mar 2018
Borderlands to the Back Country: The Flight from North Britain 1717-1775
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19:02:52 From Cousin Russ : CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION HERE: https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/102461242403735457058/+DearmyrtlePage/posts/FhorbEruthM
19:06:01 From Cousin Russ : David Hackett Fischer – Pulitzer Prize Winner https://www.historians.org/publications-and-directories/perspectives-on-history/may-2005/david-hackett-fischer-receives-pulitzer-prize
19:22:28 From shelleymurphy : I am learning a bit about the Quakers, I believe my early Wordens were Quakers. Lancashire is their home
19:22:29 From Peggy Lauritzen to All panelists : William Dollarhide also has excellent maps showing the English origins of several groups. [Note from DearMYRTLE: His four migration patterns book came out shortly after Albion’s Seed.]
19:22:33 From MelissaBarker : We love our timelines don’t we Shelley!
19:22:48 From DaveRobison : And counties. I have friends in and from Bucks County
19:23:59 From Ellen B : And those county and towns names were used at PA folk migrated to South Carolina Lancaster, York, Chester
19:24:15 From Cousin Russ : Swathmore – Quaker Meeting Records https://www.swarthmore.edu/friends-historical-library/quaker-meeting-records
“Friends Historical Library (FHL) is an official depository for the records of many North American yearly meetings of the Society of Friends. Its holdings include over 3700 linear feet of original archives: membership books, minutes, and other original records. FHL also holds over 2500 reels of microfilm of Friends’ records from Canada, United States, Britain, and Ireland.”
19:24:20 From shelleymurphy : Has anyone compared an England Map to American map to compare the towns with same names
19:24:51 From Peggy Lauritzen to All panelists : Excellent book by Diane Rappaport called The Naked Quaker.
19:26:18 From JoAnn to All panelists : Living in New Jersey, Burlington County, I grew up with Quakers.
19:28:12 From DaveRobison : That was William Pynchon’s attitude. He was a businessman who wanted to trade with the Native Americans. It’s how he made his fortune!
19:28:27 From DaveRobison : William Pynchon settled Springfield, Mass
19:29:17 From Ellen B : For example “Since the early days of Friends’ worship, women have practiced as equals to men. The Sandy Spring Meeting House was constructed with a wood-paneled partition that separated the men’s meeting from the women’s meeting. Separate meetings would be conducted and a reading would be shared following a knock on the door in the partition.” from The Sandy Spring Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends (one of the oldest meetings in MD) https://www.sandyspring.org/
19:30:36 From Peggy Lauritzen : Also, look for initials after the dates, such as “os”, meaning old style, etc.
19:33:23 From Cousin Russ : William Penn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Penn
19:34:27 From Peggy Lauritzen to All panelists : Quaker Oats! He’s on the box!
19:35:48 From DaveRobison : Steve Morse article re Julian vs Gregorian:: https://stevemorse.org/juliancalendar/julian.htm
19:36:59 From DaveRobison : The explanation article is 14 pages
19:39:57 From DaveRobison : The “Quaker Oats Guy” https://triviahappy.com/articles/the-pure-and-honest-quaker-oats-guy-a-biography
19:45:26 From Cousin Russ : Swarthmore – Quaker Meeting Records https://www.swarthmore.edu/friends-historical-library/quaker-meeting-records
19:47:10 From Ellen B : “The Religious Society of Friends (or Quakers) holds as the basis of its faith the belief that God endows each human being with a measure of the Divine Spirit. We believe that the gift of God’s presence and the light of God’s Truth have been available to all people at all times and in all ages. The Religious Society of Friends has no formal creed but seeks continuing revelation. We are a religious fellowship based on common religious ideals and experiences rather than on creed or liturgy. Each person must prayerfully seek individual guidance and must follow the Light found within. We welcome to our fellowship all seekers who in spirit and in truth try to find and follow the will of God and who are in sympathy with the principles and practices of Friends.” [Source: https://www.sandyspring.org/about-quakerism/]
19:48:04 From DaveRobison : 359 years of Quaker records at UMass in Amherst https://www.umass.edu/newsoffice/article/records-359-years-quakerism-new-england
19:52:09 From Peggy Lauritzen: There are as many as 16 steps to a marriage, and records of the steps.
19:54:04 From June Butka : My mother always spoke of “Quaker meeting has begun. No more talking, no more fun.” That was our quiet trip me.
IMAGE: Interior of the Colora Meetinghouse in Maryland, showing the facing benches and the moveable divider typical of 18th and 19th century meetinghouses in the area. Courtesy Wikipedia.
19:58:04 From Cousin Russ : Friends Meeting House https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friends_meeting_house
19:58:22 From Cousin Russ : ANCESTRY.COM CATALOG – QUAKER RECORDS https://search.ancestry.com/search/cardcatalog.aspx#ccat=hc=25&dbSort=1&sbo=1&title=Quaker&keyword=&
19:58:33 From Cousin Russ : Quaker Arrivals at Philadelphia 1682-1750 https://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=48461
20:00:36 From shelleymurphy : I have it…
20:00:40 From gloriac : Fascinating book!
20:00:48 From Peggy Lauritzen: I had two copies and donated one as a door prize last year.
20:00:48 From shelleymurphy : Wow, Russ…
20:01:16 From June Butka to All panelists : I have the book.
20:02:36 From justine leicht : I have it. Thanks again to you and Cousin Russ- I was the lucky winner on genealogy night. I
20:03:09 From Peggy Lauritzen : [Note from Myrt – Regarding a different Quaker Migration] They owned slaves up until about 1750. Then, they decided it wasn’t good. Settlements in NC and SC that may have had 1,000 residents would suddenly end up having 100 as Quakers went up the Great Valley Road and moved to Ohio and Indiana.
Migrated down the east side of the Shenandoah Valley to VA, NC, SC — same side as German migration pattern. They got along well with Germans, and some Germans were called “Friendly Germans”. They didn’t convert…they just believed along the same lines.
20:07:46 From justine leicht : What I think is great is that they were required to have a will.
IMAGE: Courtesy of the Maryland State Archives website.
20:11:31 From Ellen B : Quakers in Maryland: http://teaching.msa.maryland.gov/000001/000000/000171/html/t171.html
20:12:33 From Peggy Lauritzen: Death attitude: You want your descendants to be sad when you die. Don’t amass wealth.
IMAGE: Screen shot of the top part of the Friends Association of Higher Education/
20:15:04 From Ellen B : Friends Association of Higher Education https://quakerfahe.com/quaker-colleges-universities-and-study-centers/
20:16:06 From Cousin Russ : CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION HERE: https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/102461242403735457058/+DearmyrtlePage/posts/FhorbEruthM
20:16:59 From shelleymurphy : Exciting!
20:17:00 From Ellen B : thank you for the interesting insights!
20:17:10 From shelleymurphy : Thanks you all! Loved it.
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