WHAT’S NEW? The Virtual Genealogy Society

ANNOUNCING THE VIRTUAL GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY

The Virtual Genealogical Society is a global organization serving family history enthusiasts of all levels, geared towards those:

● whose circumstances make it difficult to attend local genealogical society meetings

● who prefer online presentations, special interest groups (SIGs), conferences, and socializing

● with an interest in connecting, networking, and mentoring with global genealogists

The Virtual Genealogical Society began with the recognition that many family history enthusiasts are merging technology and globalization in their genealogical pursuits. We aim to provide a forum for genealogists to connect, network, and mentor with genealogists around the world through monthly meetings online, webinars, social networking, annual conferences, and in-person meet-ups at conferences, institutes and events around the world.

Membership is just $20 per year and provides:

● 24/7 access to Members-Only section of website

● Recorded monthly webinars by nationally-known speakers

● Webinar handouts

● Live chat with featured speakers in members-only Facebook group

● Fillable PDF forms for family history research

● Digitized monthly newsletter

● Eligibility for prizes offered during monthly webinars

● Access to Special Interest Group (SIG) discussions and handout

● Discount on annual virtual conference registration cost

● Eligibility for prizes during annual virtual conference

● Discounts on genealogy software, databases, publications and products

● Members-only Facebook group for networking, mentoring, and socializing

The Virtual Genealogical Society encourages all members to continue joining the genealogical societies in their local area and/or in the area where their ancestors lived. These societies can provide additional benefits that include:

● Access to their local database of records and indexes

● Mentorship from society members with expertise in local records and repositories

● Field trips to area repositories

The Virtual Genealogical Society will be hosting a three-day virtual conference from November 1-3, 2019. Confirmed presenters are listed on our website:  http://virtualgensoc.com/

For more information, contact us at info@virtualgensoc.com or visit http://virtualgensoc.com/.

REGISTER for May 2018 DearMYRTLE Events

DearFRIENDS,
Ol’ Myrt will be attending the National Genealogical Society’s annual family history conference in Grand Rapids, Michigan. We will arrive Tuesday, 1 May 2018 for the conference runs the 2nd-5th May. We will then travel to visit Mr. Myrt’s family in Ohio. So though it will be a “short” month of webinars, there will be much genea-stuff happening for the two of us. I wouldn’t miss Mondays with Myrt right after NGS, so Ol’ Myrt here can tell you about Kirsty Gray’s secret and all the latest news tfrom NGS Conference. If you cannot attend in person, be sure to catch the NGS 2018 LIVE STREAM –  Registration is now open.

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Toward the end of the month, we will travel to Athens, Georgia to attend the IGHR (Institute of History and Genealogy Research.) Ol’ Myrt is *finally* taking Course Four — Writing & Publishing for Genealogists with Course Coordinator: Thomas W. Jones, Ph.D., CG, CGL, FASG, FNGS, FUGA. I have been anxious to take this course before Dr. Jones decides to retire from teaching as he has recently retired from co-editing the National Genealogical Society Quarterly. Classes start Saturday, 2 June 2018, bright and early and conclude 7 June 2018. Thought you might like to know the following materials are required for the class: YIKES! From this you can see Ol’ Myrt is in for a workout. I’ve been having a challenge cutting my writing sample down to 500 words. (You know how I like to ramble!

Required textbooks, prerequisites, or other student information

Students taking this course should be experienced genealogical researchers interested in writing genealogical articles and books. They should bring with them to the course a 500-word writing sample (excluding documentation) on any genealogical or historical topic.

Required textbooks – 
any electronic or print version of the following:

  • *Board for Certification of Genealogists. Genealogy Standards. Nashville, Tenn.: Ancestry.com, 2014.
  • *Curran, Joan Ferris, Madilyn Coen Crane, and John H. Wray, Numbering Your Genealogy: Basic Systems, Complex Families, and International Kin. Arlington, Va.: National Genealogical Society.
  • Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary, 11th ed. Worcester, Mass.: Merriam Webster, 2004.
  • Mills, Elizabeth Shown. Evidence Explained. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company.
  • Strunk, William, Jr., and E. B. White. Elements of Style.

*Books that will be needed during the course.

Recommended textbooks

any electronic, online, or print version of the following: The Chicago Manual of Style, 16th ed. Chicago, University of Chicago Press, 2010; Ross-Larson, Bruce. Edit Yourself: A Manual for Everyone Who Works with Words; Any usage dictionary.


MAY 2018 DearMYRTLE Webinars

MondaysWithMyrt

14 May 2018 Mondays with Myrt Our flagship webinar, where we talk about anything and everything that’s come across our genea-desks in the last week.
Noon Eastern US (New York), 11am Central US (Chicago), 10am Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 9am Pacific US (Los Angeles)


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16 May 2018 WACKY Wednesday with DearMYRTLE’s *very* distant cousin Our topic is determined by our Mondays with Myrt discussions.
9pm Eastern US (New York), 8pm Central US (Chicago), 7pm Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 6pm Pacific US (Los Angeles)


18 May 2018 Plusword (Live Game Show) hosted by Michael Daniels. No need to register in advance, just show up here UPDATED LINK https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vO-B6ZCQMo The live broadcast begins at 10pm Eastern US (New York), 9pm Central US (Chicago),8 pm Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 7pm Pacific US (Los Angeles)


MondaysWithMyrt

21 May 2018 Mondays with Myrt Our flagship webinar, where we talk about anything and everything that’s come across our genea-desks in the last week.
Noon Eastern US (New York), 11am Central US (Chicago), 10am Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 9am Pacific US (Los Angeles)


23 May 2018 The Archive Lady 
9pm Eastern US (New York), 8pm Central US (Chicago), 7pm Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 6pm Pacific US (Los Angeles)


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Here’s the link to the GeneaWebinars Blog & Calendar of other genealogy webinars, chats and hangouts – http://blog.geneawebinars.com/p/calendar.html


ARCHIVED: The Archive Lady – Did someone else leave a paper trail for your ancestor?

Melissa has all sorts of nifty examples of information shared by others that have something to do with putting your ancestor into historical context.

 

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ethnicity
19:00:32 From Cousin Russ : DearMYRTLE and Cousin Russ recognize the United Nations’ International Decade for People of African Descent 2015-2024. We reach out to _all_ regardless of race, color, creed, sexual orientation or national origin with support for researching family and documenting cultural inheritance.

Melissa Barker is a Certified Archives Manager currently working as the Houston County, Tennessee Archivist. She is also a professional genealogist who lectures, teaches and writes about archives research MelissaBarker2018and records preservation. She writes a popular blog entitled “A Genealogist in the Archives.” She is the Reviews Editor for the Federation of Genealogical Societies (FGS) magazine FORUM. She writes a bi-weekly advice column entitled “The Archive Lady” that can be viewed at Abundant Genealogy. She writes a monthly column entitled The Archive Lady’s Corner in the In-Depth Genealogist Magazine. She writes a bi-weekly column for her local newspaper The Stewart-Houston Times called From the Archives. She is a regular contributor as The Archive Lady on Lisa Louise Cooke’s Genealogy Gems Podcast. She is married to her wonderful husband, Chris Barker and has one grown daughter.

19:04:13 From Deb Andrew : Recommended Zoom to another webinar group today.

19:08:07 From Cousin Russ : CHRONICLING AMERICA https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/

19:16:11 From Dawn Carlile : My understanding is that the watcher watched the people handling the ballots to make sure they didn’t cheat the election process.
19:27:56 From Deb Andrew : Maybe the bones were for the dogs.
19:28:07 From Launa Droescher : What would you do with “Railway Employees Credit Union History 1936-1970”?.
19:30:50 From Launa Droescher : yes paper

19:32:38 From Cousin Russ : ARCHIVE GRID https://beta.worldcat.org/archivegrid/
19:48:57 From Debi Polen : Tim’s my cousin too, Myrt. 🙂
19:49:11 From Pat Richley-Erickson : Hiya Cousin!
19:49:44 From Deb Andrew : The only record I had for my great grandfather of his death was in the annual coal mine accident report for the state.

The Archive Lady recommends the following resources:

Gaylord Archival http://www.gaylord.com/

Hollinger Metal Edge https://www.hollingermetaledge.com/

University Products https://www.universityproducts.com/

 Light Impressions http://www.lightimpressionsdirect.com/

Brodart http://www.brodart.com/

Archival Methods https://www.archivalmethods.com/

20:01:29 From Cousin Russ : Our conversation continues in the DearMYRTLE Genealogy Google+ Community — https://plus.google.com/u/0/+DearmyrtlePage/posts/6Q7EckmWoKd


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ARCHIVED: AmericaGen Study Group Chapter 4 “Evidence”

AmericaGen Study Group

Shelley Murphy and Chari Hudson Passey served as coordinators, compiling panelist homework and co-moderating this discussion about evaluating evidence.

Val Greenwoods bookSYLLABUS
The Researchers Guide to American Genealogy 4th Edition by Val D. Greenwood, 2017 (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co.) Available in paperback.
https://www.amazon.com/Researchers-Guide-American-Genealogy-4th/dp/0806320664

Register for future sessions here https://zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_m-BvT1rGQGWI6RMyC2YRKw

COMBINED HOMEWORK
DearMYRTLE’s AmericaGen Study Group – Chapter 4 combined homework https://drive.google.com/file/d/1D6Pm1zgVDOlC263cSD855xcvffkL2bfc/view?usp=sharing

The conversation continues HERE – 

OTHER SESSIONS IN THIS SERIES

SELECTED COMMENTS

10:00:49 From Cousin Russ : Researchers Guide to American Genealogy 4th Edition by Val D. Greenwood, 2017 (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co.). This week we’re discussing Chapter 4 “Evidence” with examples from panelists’ research.
10:00:51 From Sheri Fenley : Good Morning everyone from sunny California!
10:01:20 From Lisa Gorrell : Good morning everyone from sunny Salt Lake City.
10:01:59 From Cousin Russ : DearMYRTLE’s AmericaGen Study Group – Chapter 4 combined homework https://drive.google.com/file/d/1D6Pm1zgVDOlC263cSD855xcvffkL2bfc/view?usp=sharing
10:02:04 From Melinda Culpon : Good morning from not humid Texas!
10:02:12 From Jack Gracey : Good morning to all from cool, rainy Massachusetts
10:02:39 From Sir Leprchaunrabbit : good morning from a snow-free (finally) Alberta; sound issues, BRB
10:02:40 From Diana Watson : Good morning from NW Pennsylvania.

10:06:17 From Cousin Russ : See Helen F. M. Leary, CG, CGL “Evidence Revisited: DNA, POE, and GPS,” OnBoard 4 (January 1998), published in paper and online by the Board for Certification of Genealogists (https://bcgcertification.org/skillbuilding-evidence-revisited-dna-poe-and-gps/ : Viewed 25 April 2018.)

familytreewebinars2
10:07:33 From Cousin Russ : https://familytreewebinars.com/ [Subscription site-well worth the $]
10:08:31 From Lisa Gorrell : Plus when you are a member, you get the handout with the webinar.
10:09:08 From Irene : Love these webinars. I keep adding to my subscription every time they offer a discount, sometimes 1/2 price. I think up to expiring 2021.
10:09:46 From Cyndy Bray : Also, there are many webinars for members only
10:10:29 From Lisa Gorrell : Good point, Cyndy.

The Legal Genealogist

10:13:20 From Cousin Russ : Judy Russell’s webinars about genealogy and the law.  https://familytreewebinars.com/judyrussell
10:13:36 From Cousin Russ : http://www.legalgenealogist.com
10:14:49 From June Butka : In New Hampshire You can now go to your local town clerk for 1930 births, 1965 marriages and 1960 deaths, early ones are at state level.
10:15:05 From Roxanne Basey : Confusion: ESM says information is primary or secondary and evidence is direct or indirect. Greenwood says evidence is original/firsthand or secondary. And their definition of direct and indirect are different. This was my confusion and I’m still not clear.
10:15:28 From June Butka : PS. If those records were in any New Hampshire town without traveling to the town.

10:17:33 From Liberty Evanko to All panelists : I am here but I caught the end of Shelley covering my stuff. Sounds like she did great. Thank you.

10:18:09 From Roxanne Basey : But the definition of direct and indirect are different too. That is a big difference to me.
10:18:45 From Roxanne Basey : ESM says direct is relevance to question and indirect in inadequate relevance.
10:19:26 From Randi Patrick : Keeping in mind with the investigative process, sources, records, documents and/or evidence is considered to be from a primary or secondary source. Better definitions could be found in a legal dictionary
10:19:31 From Roxanne Basey : Greenwood says that direct is evidence that standing alone it answers the question.
10:20:43 From Roxanne Basey : That’s not quite right. Because direct evidence per ESM can be inaccurate
10:21:14 From Roxanne Basey : Direct per ESM does not have to be accurate and does not have to answer the question. The relevance question is different.
10:21:29 From Roxanne Basey : But according to Greenwood it CANNOT be inaccurate. It MUST be correct.

10:21:34 From Jackie Wilson : Could “collateral” refer to collateral people aka FAN? [Friends, associates and neighbors]
10:22:49 From Danine Cozzens : I thought that “collateral” was a legal term which Greenwood applied to genealogy. But it’s a rich source for FAN evidence!

10:28:56 From Cyndy Bray : What do you do if your conflict comes from unsourced trees?
10:30:06 From Roxanne Basey : How did you verify that the list was in land order?

10:30:46 From Danine Cozzens : My very question being answered, Lisa! Knowing how the parcels relate is important.
10:31:18 From Deb Andrew : When did they go, Alabama and Mississippi’s state line changed.
10:31:27 From Molly McKinley : I have found probate records for the same man in Alabama where he died and in Arkansas where his sons moved to.

10:35:13 From Irene : Cyndy, if I use a tree for info on one of my brick walls, I add the person, any dates and places, and a note that it came from this tree and why I think it’s appropriate to add on a temp basis. Then I start looking for the records to verify myself. I only do this when I have a good reference back to the match/tree and think I can find the proof.

10:37:20 From Lisa Gorrell to Roxanne Basey and all panelists : I was seeing the whole book and could see it listed by Township and Range.
10:39:37 From Shelley Murphy : Judy Russell when worlds collide
10:40:37 From Lisa Gorrell : It’s trying to figure out the motivation of the informant is important.
10:54:04 From Lisa Gorrell : Sometimes parents raise the children of one of their children as their own.
11:08:10 From Jackie Wilson : I use online trees as hints only!
11:08:41 From June Butka : Some trees have the source in comments. they don’t know how to add the new source.

11:08:51 From Valerie Lisk : Does Judy have When Worlds Collide online?
Judy Russell’s “When Worlds Collide” webinar https://familytreewebinars.com/download.php?webinar_id=502

11:09:25 From June Butka : Trees are turned off for my searches. unless I have no other hints.
11:09:27 From Valerie Lisk : thank you!
11:12:14 From June Butka : Don’t forget to date your comments or notes. Also if a web page, save the page. For example, RootsWeb is down, but I have the screen capture from when I found it.

11:12:44 From Cousin Russ : The Written Conclusion – a DearMYRTLE Genealogy Study Group https://youtu.be/J8oefXkKdkI
11:13:12 From Shelley Murphy : great point June, I have to remember that
11:13:34 From Lisa Gorrell : The conclusion is what you’re using to answer the research question.
11:14:12 From Lisa Gorrell : I put my conclusions in the notes section of each event in my RootsMagic.
11:14:53 From June Butka : If there is a diary of the doctor on the field, you may have another source to view.
11:15:49 From June Butka : Same here, DearMyrt.
11:16:49 From Shelley Murphy : on my timeline there is a column for notes and questions and then what’s next.
11:17:33 From Shelley Murphy : get a genealogy buddy can help too
11:19:57 From Cousin Russ : OUR CONVERSATION CONTINUES https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/102461242403735457058/+DearmyrtlePage/posts/R4j3ybvaDfA


AFTER PARTY

The all-new Professional Genealogy was announced this morning by Genealogical Publishing Company.Professional Genealogy PPS

11:21:42 From Deb Andrew : Yes. I ordered the new one. DH said I could keep the old one I just received.
11:21:54 From Roxanne Basey : I am so excited. I got invited to join Pro Gen with this new book.
11:23:31 From Cousin Russ : https://www.amazon.com/Professional-Genealogy-Preparation-Practice-Standards/dp/0806320729
11:23:57 From Molly McKinley : Great class
11:25:38 From Jackie Wilson : I have family in Columbiana county, OH!
11:25:51 From Lisa Gorrell : Gotta run. Great session!.


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ARCHIVED: Mondays with Myrt – 23 Apr 2018

MondaysWithMyrt

So many changes, so little time. We did our best to cover the high spots including:

  • National Society Sons of the American Revolution
  • National Society Daughters of the American Revolution
  • Maureen Taylor, the Photo Detective
  • Types of corrections being made during the WikiTree Clean-a-Thon
  • FamilySearch Tree & WikiTree comparison
  • #Ancestry.com leaf hints “no longer available” [probably due to contracts expiring? They no longer have PERSI, and FindMyPast has the contract to display PERSI.
  • Did #Ancestry fire the entire IT department?
  • Frustrations with hints that lead to online trees, say at #MyHeritage. [Suggestion from Ol’ Myrt: How about providing options to toggle Smart Matches (trees) and Record Matches (documents) on/off. ]
  • DNA, DNA Painter
  • and much more!

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10:00:58 From Melissa Barker : Hello Everyone! Listening in from the Houston County, TN. Archives.
10:01:13 From Bill West : Goooooood morning from sunny southeastern Massachusetts!

SAR
10:03:53 From Cousin Russ : https://www.sar.org/  See also apps, manuals, fees, etc: http://www.massar.org/membership/forms/

DAR2
10:04:03 From Cousin Russ : https://www.dar.org/ See also “How to join” https://www.dar.org/national-society/become-member/how-join

10:06:13 From June Butka : I have several Rev. War Patriots, however none in the DAR or SAR are for my Line. I believe I now can join. with the information I collected for my Mayflower line.
10:08:20 From marian koalski : Ditto in Massachusetts, John!
10:08:31 From Dawn Carlile : It is definitely spring in Oregon!
10:08:40 From Janine Edmée Hakim : Snow testerday, sun sun sun today…so far in Upstate NY
10:09:00 From Randy Seaver : spring in San Diego area – was gray this morning, but clearing off now.
10:09:14 From Melinda Culpon to All panelists : beautiful spring NOT HUMID day in Houston

MaureenTaylor

10:10:59 From DearMYRTLE to All panelists : Maureen Taylor, the Photo Detective https://maureentaylor.com/
10:11:48 From Mary Lou Gravatt : I read recently even if you are not going to a society to do an app as great research tool.

WikiTree2017

10:12:09 From Cousin Russ : WikiTree https://www.wikitree.com/
2018 Family History Expo original virtual

10:13:06 From Holly Hansen : 2018 International Family History Expo https://familyhistoryexpos.com/viewevent/index/190
10:13:55 From June Butka : I have several Rev. War Patriots, however none in the DAR or SAR are for my Line. I believe I now can join. with the information I collected for my Mayflower line.
10:17:35 From Holly Hansen : https://familyhistoryexpos.com/calldescriptions/index/190
10:19:14 From Shelley Murphy : June, if you need any help with DAR, let me know.
10:21:16 From June Butka : I’ll wait.
10:21:45 From June Butka : Mine were. They are registered, not just my line.
10:21:47 From Sheri Fenley : June – proving a new patriot is a very good thing! Need to prove service and residence
10:22:13 From June Butka : thank you all for the help offer.
10:22:41 From Rachel Evans : I have several options to join DAR with but I want to enter under a female ancestor who nursed her brother and another man wounded in service.
10:24:01 From Sheri Fenley : Excellent idea!

10:25:59 From June Butka : Both Ancestry and Family Search were slow and needed to be refreshed.

NOTE from DearMYRTLE: Sunday is always a big research day at FamilySearch. I don’t even venture out there if I can help it.

10:26:03 From Sheri Fenley : Wow I was on ancestry.com this morning and had no problems
10:26:29 From Melinda Culpon : Has anyone else see the doubling of middle names on ancestry recently?
10:26:57 From Valerie Lisk : Last night I did a Google search and was directed to 6 records on #Ancestry that did not show up on my Ancestry search.
10:27:04 From Roxanne Cummings Basey : I have experienced searches being faulty. I found an ancestor by searching a child but there he was under the name I had previously searched very clealy. He didn’t show up when I searched by his name. This type of thing has happened often.
10:27:11 From marian koalski : Is the slowness appearing in Ancestry’s record searches or only on the DNA connection databases?
10:27:12 From June Butka : I’ve seen mutliple listing of records I knew only had one entry by me on my tree.
10:27:17 From Janine Edmée Hakim : I have a “devil of a time” trying to add to/edit information on records
10:27:49 From Melinda Culpon : Record searches for me Mariann.
10:28:08 From Roxanne Cummings Basey : I don’t trust ancestry search results anymore.
10:29:24 From Roxanne Cummings Basey : Is there any way to do a joint complaint?
10:29:45 From June Butka : Russ, when you said June, did you mean I’m updating my database?
10:29:47 From Roxanne Cummings Basey : Speed is not the problem for me.
10:30:04 From Cousin Russ to June Butka : Yes you, June
10:30:12 From Deb Andrew : I had all three problems mentioned. My computer is the lastest and greatest you can have, high internet speed and band width.
10:30:34 From Bill West : I have had a hint leat for my great grandfather for a database that is no longer available. The leaf has been there for almost a year and I can’t remove it because the database isn’t available. Grrr.
10:31:57 From Deb Andrew : When, dh talked to him last week (he is in the tech industry) they told him, #Ancestry had fired their whole IT tech team.
10:33:43 From Randy Seaver : Deb, who did your did you talk to? At Ancestry? Fired IT team? wow.

10:34:43 From Dawn Carlile : Fold3 has many errors in their indexed records and I probably put in 80-100 corrections one evening and it was mainly that they did not sync with the images or the wrong info was typed, not that they couldn’t read they record. It was for WWI & WWII pension index cards.
10:34:47 From Dave Robison  : “Speeling duzn’t cownt”
10:35:24 From Deb Andrew : DH talked to a manager at Ancestry. The first person tried to tell him nothing was wrong, he then asked to talk to a manager.
10:36:04 From Hilary Gadsby : If the records have been mistranscribed originally the corrections do not come over to Family Search just the original transcription. I found one for an Eleanor which had come over as something else just this weekend
10:36:30 From Randy Seaver : thank you, Deb. Amazing. Of course, they don’t have a server farm anymore. Management changes ==> layoffs ==> customer problems

10:36:49 From Dawn Carlile : I hear from professional researchers and they are bookmarking the records they use frequently so they can easily find them. Even if indexed they do not show up in the searches.

NOTE from DearMYRTLE: I recommend downloading each document, and citing it in your desktop genealogy database program. Your citation would conform with Elizabeth Shown Mills’ thinking including date viewed. See:

QuickLesson 22: What Citation Template Do I Use? “The real question is not What template should I use?  It’s What kind of a source do I have?

Record Citation vs. Record Identification   “Newer researchers think of “source identification” in terms of How do I cite this?  The underlying issue, however, is not how to cite. It is, instead…”

10:37:24 From Dawn Carlile : On familysearch I always check the ONLINE box.
10:37:39 From June Butka : I find if you look at the citation and see a film number and image number, use those numbers in the catalog search , not the collection. I found more that way without getting the index with no image. There were images available.
10:37:51 From Roxanne Cummings Basey : Dawn – what does the ONLINE box accomplish?
10:38:08 From Deb Andrew : Ancestry said it would all be fix probably in two weeks, but no more than a month. I doubt it.
10:38:25 From Dawn Carlile : It only shows you results that are digitized so you do not have to keep clicking and loking to see what is digitized,
10:38:41 From Randy Seaver to All panelists : Russ, can you highlgiht Deb Andrew’s comments?
10:38:43 From Roxanne Cummings Basey : I agree – the soundex helped me find a record that I couldn’t find otherwise on ancestry.
10:38:43 From Melissa Barker : Internet Archive is a great resource!
10:39:55 From Randy Seaver : Pension cards or draft registration cards?
10:41:43 From marian koalski : That leads to low morale among the remaining staff, too.
10:41:50 From Cousin Russ : https://www.familysearch.org/catalog/search
10:42:03 From Cousin Russ : https://search.findmypast.com/search-world-records
10:42:04 From DearMYRTLE to Cousin Russ(Privately) : https://www.ancestry.com/
10:43:32 From Dawn Carlile : Randy, it is under pension cards.
10:44:02 From Sherry Everett : I’m fairly new to genealogy and my first time here. so I’m sorry I know none of the people on the panel. thank you for providing info
10:44:10 From Valerie Lisk : What i the advantage of WikiTree over Familysearch?
10:45:00 From Dave Robison to Sherry Everett : Sherry Everett—Welcome to Mondays With Myrt!!
10:45:01 From June Butka : Those who offered DAR/SAR help can PM at Facebook June Stearns Butka.
10:45:01 From Micki Minner : I never could figure out how to use WikiTree…might be a good session for me to attend and learn

10:51:44 From Bill West : It drives me crazy that MyHeritage emails me they’ve found new records and most of them are not records but family trees on WikiTree and Geni.com. They are NOT records, they are trees!
10:52:05 From Kathleen` Newbill to All panelists : I agree with Bill West…it’s very frustrating!

10:52:33 From Valerie Lisk : I have RootsMagic and a tree on Familysearch. A DNA pedigree tree on all of the testing sites. I didn’t know if it was worth adding another online tree.
10:53:36 From DearMYRTLE : Daniel Horowitz is the Chief Genealogy Officer at MyHeritage.com
10:54:22 From Linda Jordan to All panelists : Yes, Micki, WikiTree is hard to learn. One also has to have documentation — and list it all, for each person and event, which is good, but very time consuming when you have lots of people to add and no matches to others already on WikiTree. Also, when I finally found a person that was already on the tree however the person I contacted has still not replied so the person hasn’t been added as yet. That was a couple of months ago.

10:54:48 From Maria Tegtmeier : Speaking of DNA, I appreciated Pat sharing Thomas MacEntee’s post on FB about National DNA day and DNA scams.

DNA DAY and Thomas MacEntee’s warning video – https://www.facebook.com/groups/DearMYRTLE/permalink/10160353011115374/

10:54:56 From Cyndy Bray : I agree with Bill and Russ. Most of the trees I get from My Heritage are not sourced at all.
10:55:16 From Randy Seaver : Remember that WikiTree started before FamilySearch Family Tree, but after other collaborative trees like OneGreatFamily, One World Tree, etc.
10:56:13 From Randy Seaver : A WikiTree advantage is being able to upload a GEDCOM file, but you have to match your GEDCOM profiles to existing profiles.
10:56:28 From Dawn Carlile : Randy – The Fold3 description is Veterans Administration Pension Payment Cards, This image is an example. https://www.fold3.com/image/591268767
10:56:58 From marian koalski : The WikiTree presentation is visually difficult for me. I like their philosophy and efforts, but it’s hard for me to scan and separate the person’s profile from other stuff on the page.
10:57:36 From Sherry Everett : So for a novice, which is the best place to start? Ancestry or someplace else?
10:57:38 From Linda Jordan : Also, when I finally found a person that was already on the tree however the person I contacted has still not replied so the person hasn’t been added as yet. That was a couple of months ago.
10:59:51 From Randy Seaver : thank you, Dawn. I didn’t know about that collection. i’ll check it out later.
11:00:59 From Randy Seaver : Jackie – WikiTree is FREE, Geni.com is not for the big tree. WikiTree has GEDCOM upload, Geni does not. WikiTree has 17 million profiles, Geni claims 120 million.
11:02:08 From Randy Seaver : Geni provides Hints from MyHeritage, no Hints on WikiTree. Sources are prominent on WikiTree, nonexistent on Geni. WikiTree for genealogists, Geni started as a family photo sharing site.
11:03:12 From marian koalski : Yes, I like FamilySearch’s layout
11:05:00 From Rachel Evans : I think I spend more time in the Family Search trees fixing things. I have an ancestor who people keep changing his name and children to someone else’s. I put a discussion in his profile but people keep changing it back. It does get fustrating at times.
11:05:08 From Cyndy Bray : Famiy Search tree has errors for my famiy, not sure how to correct
11:05:12 From Dawn Carlile : I prefer the list of siblings and children on FamilySearch. The paragraph is to hard to scan and spot names.
11:05:21 From marian koalski : On FamilySearch, when I click on a fact, it will tell me which sources apply to it.

11:06:47 From Holly Hansen : You can watch ancestors or any individual in FamilySearch’s Tree, with email notifications that alert you to changes made. You can turn this on or off.

11:06:48 From Randy Seaver : I use FamilySearch’s Tree extensively because it will be long lasting and is BIG. But it has problems with duplicate profiles and anyone can change a profile. I use RootsMagic to match my RM persons to FSFT profiles and exchange data back and forth, standardize FSFT place names, etc.
11:07:44 From Roxanne Cummings Basey : Does FamilySearch only allow a person to have one tree uploaded? [NOTE from DearMYRTLE: it’s one big tree, and we each add to it.]
11:08:10 From Jackie Wilson : I just saw that a woman just died this month – she was proved to have been born in 1900!
11:08:47 From Maria Tegtmeier : I love how RootsMagic integrates with FamilySearch. They are powerful together.
11:10:29 From Roxanne Cummings Basey : I have Legacy Family Tree.
11:10:36 From Shelley Murphy : I think I will set once a week time to work on my Roots Magic tree…I am not using it to its fullest. I get too busy chases DNA matches.
11:11:03 From Randy Seaver : FamilySearch Tree is the biggest available collaborative tree. I’ve found the 19th and early 20th century families are pretty accurate with few duplicates. Much of the data was input by LDS members from family records. 17th century profiles can be problematic – multiple sets of parents, multiple sets of children, duplicate spouses, etc.
11:11:55 From Randy Seaver : FST is set up to have discussions, to have sources, to have notes, including research notes. Users need to use all of that to foster better collaboration.
11:13:13 From Valerie Lisk : I met 3 previously unknown cousins on FST.
11:13:14 From Randy Seaver : Roxanne – watch some of the Legacy videos about using LFT with FamilySearch Family Tree.
11:13:52 From Roxanne Cummings Basey : Thanks Randy. Will do asap.
11:15:10 From marian koalski : The LFT videos are excellent, and they teach methods that could (should) be applied to other packages, too (like how to add sources, how to name places, etc.)


11:16:06 From Maria Tegtmeier : I like the FamilySearch Memory App [that syncs with my profile, or an ancestors’ at ]FamilySearch. You can easily record a memory or upload a picture and quickly link it to person.
11:16:54 From Deb Andrew : I had a issue with that, family said man was the father, when he was not, but his brother. I had to use DNA to prove it.
11:17:06 From Valerie Lisk : I added it once I found DNA proof. That’s what happened to my paternam grandmother.
11:17:28 From Dawn Carlile : I would add it to my RootsMagic tree and the source would say family tradition, who told me, etc.
11:17:38 From Dawn Carlile : DNA!
11:18:29 From Dawn Carlile : Keep in mind that those siblings were probably told that info by the same person.
11:26:02 From marian koalski : I put “maybe” at the front of the possible surname, like “maybe Franklin”
11:27:14 From Cousin Russ : DNA DAY and Thomas MacEntee’s warning – https://www.facebook.com/groups/DearMYRTLE/permalink/10160353011115374/
11:27:20 From Deb Andrew : I put an open note on Ancestry for a challenged descendant and why it is challenged.
11:30:02 From Micki Minner : I am the oldest of 4, and all 4 of us siblings have all different DNA percentages…however, I also found that 1 of us do not have the same mother and father as the other 3! Blaine Bettinger helped me determine that she must have been adopted or taken in by my parents. Shock to all of us! NOBODY knew…yes, I agree…even family tradition should be noted in your files! I have “suspicions” about her parentage, but no proof “yet”
11:30:25 From Shelley Murphy : I submitted a Living DNA test and waiting to see what comes back vs the other tests I have taken.
11:30:30 From Randy Seaver : I would add “Transfer raw data to GEDMatch” also, which is FREE.
11:30:34 From Shelley Murphy : “Cousin Bait”.
11:30:45 From Micki Minner : YEA…COUSIN BAIT!
11:30:52 From Betsey Cotter to All panelists : If I tested my parents, is there any reason to test my siblings?
11:31:31 From Randy Seaver : FTDNA, MyHeritage and GEDMatch have chromosome browsers that can help you find common DNA segments and identify common ancestors.
11:31:32 From Shelley Murphy : MyHeritage results came back and is a bit different then ancestry and 23andme. It was interesting.
11:32:16 From Shelley Murphy : When will Ancestry put up a chromosome browser?
11:33:14 From Randy Seaver : Shelley, they have resisted forever. We need a browser, but also the tools to identify chromosome segments that match.
11:33:47 From Kathleen` Newbill to All panelists : I thought the question was exclusionary…you and your siblings can only have the DNA your parents have. If they’ve tested, won’t their DNA cover the ground as far as relatives are concerned?
11:34:09 From Randy Seaver : MyHeritage has done a great job with the tools in a short time.
11:34:18 From Deb Andrew : I view testing siblings along with parents, is that the siblings, including yourself adds another layer for the future generations who are trying to reach back.
11:34:43 From Shelley Murphy : Living DNA was at Rootstech…it was also an interesting sales pitch.

DNA Painter
11:35:04 From Shelley Murphy : I want to learn DNA Painter.
11:36:38 From Micki Minner : DNA Painter helped me a LOT! I would get DNA “matches” that I couldn’t figure out…and on DNA Painter you can easily see what side of the family the match lands!
11:36:42 From Bill West : I know of someone who insists that DNA testing is the final word in confirming the accuracy of a family tree but where results for siblings can differ I don’t think that is true.
11:36:59 From Valerie Lisk : They have linked Blaine’s cM chart to DNApainter as a calculator. You can change the amount of cM and see the posible relationships.
11:38:30 From Cousin Russ : DNA PAINTER https://dnapainter.com/
11:39:07 From Cousin Russ : DNA DAY and Thomas MacEntee’s warning video – https://www.facebook.com/groups/DearMYRTLE/permalink/10160353011115374/
11:39:33 From Cousin Russ : DNAQuest (pro bono by MyHeritage) is now world wide https://www.dnaquest.org/
11:40:32 From marian koalski : Is that young woman going to head-punch her grandmother with her hat?
11:40:39 From Shelley Murphy : They are building their nitch!
11:41:09 From Shelley Murphy : My numbers were different vs ancestryDNA
11:42:36 From Dawn Carlile : Not that one. It is the MyHeritage DNA, not Geoff Live.

11:43:29 From Cousin Russ : Hands-On with MyHeritage DNA https://familytreewebinars.com/download.php?webinar_id=792
11:43:48 From Cyndy Bray : MyHeritage webinars are always free on Legacy’s Family Tree Webinars.
11:43:49 From Shelley Murphy : It’s the best $49 a year I have spent.
11:43:56 From Dawn Carlile : Geoff is also related to Ron Snir, I think it was him. One of the two men from MyHeritage that day anyway.
11:44:20 From Cousin Russ : Gail Dever Petition to save WWI-era Ukrainian internee cemetery in Quebec http://genealogyalacarte.ca/?p=23508
11:44:22 From Randy Seaver : Ethnicity estimates with different companies are varied – I’ve found 23andMe and MyHeritage are best for me. It has everything to do with the reference groups used to identify n ethnicity
11:44:32 From Cousin Russ : Judy Russell’s NARA DIGITIZED RECORDS http://www.legalgenealogist.com/2018/04/20/and-another-thing/

11:44:46 From Cousin Russ : We CONTINUE our discussion here: https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/102461242403735457058/+DearmyrtlePage/posts/DSxgndQdEqp
11:45:05 From Cousin Russ : This technology will become available by the end of the year? Wow! https://thefamilycurator.com/how-to-preserve-and-test-old-letters-for-grandmas-dna/
11:45:07 From Valerie Lisk : They have sales were it’s 40% off and usually Thomas M. gives a coupon code for an additional 15% off.
11:45:08 From Cousin Russ : .
11:47:34 From Donna Burleaud : Thanks for keeping us so well informed about genealogy topics!
11:47:52 From Janine Edmée Hakim : te title of the article is Can DNA testing be trusted? The shockingly imprecise science of a proven courtroom tool
11:47:56 From Shelley Murphy : Good talk today…enjoy the rest of your day!
11:48:20 From Dawn Carlile : Wonderful information once again!
11:48:23 From Danine Cozzens : So much helpful info today — thanks to all!
11:48:37 From Randy Seaver : Janine, thery don’t use the genealogy tools for criminal testing – they use other DNA test methods.
11:48:41 From Mary Lou Gravatt : Great Hang out!
11:49:08 From Deb Andrew : Yes,
11:50:28 From Hilary Gadsby : I am going to get some birthday cake and more tea. HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

11:50:45 From Tina Torsey : What Chapter are we doing Wed? AmericaGen Study Group
11:53:36 From Cousin Russ : AmericaGen Study Group, Wednesday, April 25, 2018 Chapter 4 “Evidence”, Noon Eastern US (New York), 11am Central US (Chicago), 10am Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 9am Pacific US (Los Angeles)

SYLLABUS – Researchers Guide to American Genealogy 4th Edition by Val D. Greenwood, 2017 (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co.) Available in paperback

https://zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_m-BvT1rGQGWI6RMyC2YRKw

11:53:51 From Tina Torsey to All panelists : thanks
11:56:30 From Janine Edmée Hakim : Thanks Randy Seaver… good to know that the DNA that might be collected from an artifact or stamp will be more accurately analyzed and therefore be reliable when it is used for genealogy.

Wednesday, 25 April 2018 THE ARCHIVE LADY, 9pm Eastern US (New York), 8pm Central US (Chicago), 7pm Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 6pm Pacific US (Los Angeles) We are delighted to feature our resident archivist Melissa LeMaster Barker, who serves as the Certified Archives Manager at the Houston County, Tennessee Archives. A popular genealogical speaker, author and blogger, Melissa is also the FGS Forum Reviews Editor.

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AFTER PARTY
11:59:25 From Valerie Lisk : John do you know approx. how much you need per day in Stratford Upon Avon for food etc?
12:01:06 From Valerie Lisk : How much would a pub meal be. We are doing the hop on hop off bus.
12:02:39 From Valerie Lisk : I’m trying to make sure I load my travel card with enogh money.
12:02:40 From Kathleen` Newbill : 12 to 15 Euro per person when I was in Belfast in February.


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