MondaysWithMyrt

So many changes, so little time. We did our best to cover the high spots including:

  • National Society Sons of the American Revolution
  • National Society Daughters of the American Revolution
  • Maureen Taylor, the Photo Detective
  • Types of corrections being made during the WikiTree Clean-a-Thon
  • FamilySearch Tree & WikiTree comparison
  • #Ancestry.com leaf hints “no longer available” [probably due to contracts expiring? They no longer have PERSI, and FindMyPast has the contract to display PERSI.
  • Did #Ancestry fire the entire IT department?
  • Frustrations with hints that lead to online trees, say at #MyHeritage. [Suggestion from Ol’ Myrt: How about providing options to toggle Smart Matches (trees) and Record Matches (documents) on/off. ]
  • DNA, DNA Painter
  • and much more!

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10:00:58 From Melissa Barker : Hello Everyone! Listening in from the Houston County, TN. Archives.
10:01:13 From Bill West : Goooooood morning from sunny southeastern Massachusetts!

SAR
10:03:53 From Cousin Russ : https://www.sar.org/  See also apps, manuals, fees, etc: http://www.massar.org/membership/forms/

DAR2
10:04:03 From Cousin Russ : https://www.dar.org/ See also “How to join” https://www.dar.org/national-society/become-member/how-join

10:06:13 From June Butka : I have several Rev. War Patriots, however none in the DAR or SAR are for my Line. I believe I now can join. with the information I collected for my Mayflower line.
10:08:20 From marian koalski : Ditto in Massachusetts, John!
10:08:31 From Dawn Carlile : It is definitely spring in Oregon!
10:08:40 From Janine Edmée Hakim : Snow testerday, sun sun sun today…so far in Upstate NY
10:09:00 From Randy Seaver : spring in San Diego area – was gray this morning, but clearing off now.
10:09:14 From Melinda Culpon to All panelists : beautiful spring NOT HUMID day in Houston

MaureenTaylor

10:10:59 From DearMYRTLE to All panelists : Maureen Taylor, the Photo Detective https://maureentaylor.com/
10:11:48 From Mary Lou Gravatt : I read recently even if you are not going to a society to do an app as great research tool.

WikiTree2017

10:12:09 From Cousin Russ : WikiTree https://www.wikitree.com/
2018 Family History Expo original virtual

10:13:06 From Holly Hansen : 2018 International Family History Expo https://familyhistoryexpos.com/viewevent/index/190
10:13:55 From June Butka : I have several Rev. War Patriots, however none in the DAR or SAR are for my Line. I believe I now can join. with the information I collected for my Mayflower line.
10:17:35 From Holly Hansen : https://familyhistoryexpos.com/calldescriptions/index/190
10:19:14 From Shelley Murphy : June, if you need any help with DAR, let me know.
10:21:16 From June Butka : I’ll wait.
10:21:45 From June Butka : Mine were. They are registered, not just my line.
10:21:47 From Sheri Fenley : June – proving a new patriot is a very good thing! Need to prove service and residence
10:22:13 From June Butka : thank you all for the help offer.
10:22:41 From Rachel Evans : I have several options to join DAR with but I want to enter under a female ancestor who nursed her brother and another man wounded in service.
10:24:01 From Sheri Fenley : Excellent idea!

10:25:59 From June Butka : Both Ancestry and Family Search were slow and needed to be refreshed.

NOTE from DearMYRTLE: Sunday is always a big research day at FamilySearch. I don’t even venture out there if I can help it.

10:26:03 From Sheri Fenley : Wow I was on ancestry.com this morning and had no problems
10:26:29 From Melinda Culpon : Has anyone else see the doubling of middle names on ancestry recently?
10:26:57 From Valerie Lisk : Last night I did a Google search and was directed to 6 records on #Ancestry that did not show up on my Ancestry search.
10:27:04 From Roxanne Cummings Basey : I have experienced searches being faulty. I found an ancestor by searching a child but there he was under the name I had previously searched very clealy. He didn’t show up when I searched by his name. This type of thing has happened often.
10:27:11 From marian koalski : Is the slowness appearing in Ancestry’s record searches or only on the DNA connection databases?
10:27:12 From June Butka : I’ve seen mutliple listing of records I knew only had one entry by me on my tree.
10:27:17 From Janine Edmée Hakim : I have a “devil of a time” trying to add to/edit information on records
10:27:49 From Melinda Culpon : Record searches for me Mariann.
10:28:08 From Roxanne Cummings Basey : I don’t trust ancestry search results anymore.
10:29:24 From Roxanne Cummings Basey : Is there any way to do a joint complaint?
10:29:45 From June Butka : Russ, when you said June, did you mean I’m updating my database?
10:29:47 From Roxanne Cummings Basey : Speed is not the problem for me.
10:30:04 From Cousin Russ to June Butka : Yes you, June
10:30:12 From Deb Andrew : I had all three problems mentioned. My computer is the lastest and greatest you can have, high internet speed and band width.
10:30:34 From Bill West : I have had a hint leat for my great grandfather for a database that is no longer available. The leaf has been there for almost a year and I can’t remove it because the database isn’t available. Grrr.
10:31:57 From Deb Andrew : When, dh talked to him last week (he is in the tech industry) they told him, #Ancestry had fired their whole IT tech team.
10:33:43 From Randy Seaver : Deb, who did your did you talk to? At Ancestry? Fired IT team? wow.

10:34:43 From Dawn Carlile : Fold3 has many errors in their indexed records and I probably put in 80-100 corrections one evening and it was mainly that they did not sync with the images or the wrong info was typed, not that they couldn’t read they record. It was for WWI & WWII pension index cards.
10:34:47 From Dave Robison  : “Speeling duzn’t cownt”
10:35:24 From Deb Andrew : DH talked to a manager at Ancestry. The first person tried to tell him nothing was wrong, he then asked to talk to a manager.
10:36:04 From Hilary Gadsby : If the records have been mistranscribed originally the corrections do not come over to Family Search just the original transcription. I found one for an Eleanor which had come over as something else just this weekend
10:36:30 From Randy Seaver : thank you, Deb. Amazing. Of course, they don’t have a server farm anymore. Management changes ==> layoffs ==> customer problems

10:36:49 From Dawn Carlile : I hear from professional researchers and they are bookmarking the records they use frequently so they can easily find them. Even if indexed they do not show up in the searches.

NOTE from DearMYRTLE: I recommend downloading each document, and citing it in your desktop genealogy database program. Your citation would conform with Elizabeth Shown Mills’ thinking including date viewed. See:

QuickLesson 22: What Citation Template Do I Use? “The real question is not What template should I use?  It’s What kind of a source do I have?

Record Citation vs. Record Identification   “Newer researchers think of “source identification” in terms of How do I cite this?  The underlying issue, however, is not how to cite. It is, instead…”

10:37:24 From Dawn Carlile : On familysearch I always check the ONLINE box.
10:37:39 From June Butka : I find if you look at the citation and see a film number and image number, use those numbers in the catalog search , not the collection. I found more that way without getting the index with no image. There were images available.
10:37:51 From Roxanne Cummings Basey : Dawn – what does the ONLINE box accomplish?
10:38:08 From Deb Andrew : Ancestry said it would all be fix probably in two weeks, but no more than a month. I doubt it.
10:38:25 From Dawn Carlile : It only shows you results that are digitized so you do not have to keep clicking and loking to see what is digitized,
10:38:41 From Randy Seaver to All panelists : Russ, can you highlgiht Deb Andrew’s comments?
10:38:43 From Roxanne Cummings Basey : I agree – the soundex helped me find a record that I couldn’t find otherwise on ancestry.
10:38:43 From Melissa Barker : Internet Archive is a great resource!
10:39:55 From Randy Seaver : Pension cards or draft registration cards?
10:41:43 From marian koalski : That leads to low morale among the remaining staff, too.
10:41:50 From Cousin Russ : https://www.familysearch.org/catalog/search
10:42:03 From Cousin Russ : https://search.findmypast.com/search-world-records
10:42:04 From DearMYRTLE to Cousin Russ(Privately) : https://www.ancestry.com/
10:43:32 From Dawn Carlile : Randy, it is under pension cards.
10:44:02 From Sherry Everett : I’m fairly new to genealogy and my first time here. so I’m sorry I know none of the people on the panel. thank you for providing info
10:44:10 From Valerie Lisk : What i the advantage of WikiTree over Familysearch?
10:45:00 From Dave Robison to Sherry Everett : Sherry Everett—Welcome to Mondays With Myrt!!
10:45:01 From June Butka : Those who offered DAR/SAR help can PM at Facebook June Stearns Butka.
10:45:01 From Micki Minner : I never could figure out how to use WikiTree…might be a good session for me to attend and learn

10:51:44 From Bill West : It drives me crazy that MyHeritage emails me they’ve found new records and most of them are not records but family trees on WikiTree and Geni.com. They are NOT records, they are trees!
10:52:05 From Kathleen` Newbill to All panelists : I agree with Bill West…it’s very frustrating!

10:52:33 From Valerie Lisk : I have RootsMagic and a tree on Familysearch. A DNA pedigree tree on all of the testing sites. I didn’t know if it was worth adding another online tree.
10:53:36 From DearMYRTLE : Daniel Horowitz is the Chief Genealogy Officer at MyHeritage.com
10:54:22 From Linda Jordan to All panelists : Yes, Micki, WikiTree is hard to learn. One also has to have documentation — and list it all, for each person and event, which is good, but very time consuming when you have lots of people to add and no matches to others already on WikiTree. Also, when I finally found a person that was already on the tree however the person I contacted has still not replied so the person hasn’t been added as yet. That was a couple of months ago.

10:54:48 From Maria Tegtmeier : Speaking of DNA, I appreciated Pat sharing Thomas MacEntee’s post on FB about National DNA day and DNA scams.

DNA DAY and Thomas MacEntee’s warning video – https://www.facebook.com/groups/DearMYRTLE/permalink/10160353011115374/

10:54:56 From Cyndy Bray : I agree with Bill and Russ. Most of the trees I get from My Heritage are not sourced at all.
10:55:16 From Randy Seaver : Remember that WikiTree started before FamilySearch Family Tree, but after other collaborative trees like OneGreatFamily, One World Tree, etc.
10:56:13 From Randy Seaver : A WikiTree advantage is being able to upload a GEDCOM file, but you have to match your GEDCOM profiles to existing profiles.
10:56:28 From Dawn Carlile : Randy – The Fold3 description is Veterans Administration Pension Payment Cards, This image is an example. https://www.fold3.com/image/591268767
10:56:58 From marian koalski : The WikiTree presentation is visually difficult for me. I like their philosophy and efforts, but it’s hard for me to scan and separate the person’s profile from other stuff on the page.
10:57:36 From Sherry Everett : So for a novice, which is the best place to start? Ancestry or someplace else?
10:57:38 From Linda Jordan : Also, when I finally found a person that was already on the tree however the person I contacted has still not replied so the person hasn’t been added as yet. That was a couple of months ago.
10:59:51 From Randy Seaver : thank you, Dawn. I didn’t know about that collection. i’ll check it out later.
11:00:59 From Randy Seaver : Jackie – WikiTree is FREE, Geni.com is not for the big tree. WikiTree has GEDCOM upload, Geni does not. WikiTree has 17 million profiles, Geni claims 120 million.
11:02:08 From Randy Seaver : Geni provides Hints from MyHeritage, no Hints on WikiTree. Sources are prominent on WikiTree, nonexistent on Geni. WikiTree for genealogists, Geni started as a family photo sharing site.
11:03:12 From marian koalski : Yes, I like FamilySearch’s layout
11:05:00 From Rachel Evans : I think I spend more time in the Family Search trees fixing things. I have an ancestor who people keep changing his name and children to someone else’s. I put a discussion in his profile but people keep changing it back. It does get fustrating at times.
11:05:08 From Cyndy Bray : Famiy Search tree has errors for my famiy, not sure how to correct
11:05:12 From Dawn Carlile : I prefer the list of siblings and children on FamilySearch. The paragraph is to hard to scan and spot names.
11:05:21 From marian koalski : On FamilySearch, when I click on a fact, it will tell me which sources apply to it.

11:06:47 From Holly Hansen : You can watch ancestors or any individual in FamilySearch’s Tree, with email notifications that alert you to changes made. You can turn this on or off.

11:06:48 From Randy Seaver : I use FamilySearch’s Tree extensively because it will be long lasting and is BIG. But it has problems with duplicate profiles and anyone can change a profile. I use RootsMagic to match my RM persons to FSFT profiles and exchange data back and forth, standardize FSFT place names, etc.
11:07:44 From Roxanne Cummings Basey : Does FamilySearch only allow a person to have one tree uploaded? [NOTE from DearMYRTLE: it’s one big tree, and we each add to it.]
11:08:10 From Jackie Wilson : I just saw that a woman just died this month – she was proved to have been born in 1900!
11:08:47 From Maria Tegtmeier : I love how RootsMagic integrates with FamilySearch. They are powerful together.
11:10:29 From Roxanne Cummings Basey : I have Legacy Family Tree.
11:10:36 From Shelley Murphy : I think I will set once a week time to work on my Roots Magic tree…I am not using it to its fullest. I get too busy chases DNA matches.
11:11:03 From Randy Seaver : FamilySearch Tree is the biggest available collaborative tree. I’ve found the 19th and early 20th century families are pretty accurate with few duplicates. Much of the data was input by LDS members from family records. 17th century profiles can be problematic – multiple sets of parents, multiple sets of children, duplicate spouses, etc.
11:11:55 From Randy Seaver : FST is set up to have discussions, to have sources, to have notes, including research notes. Users need to use all of that to foster better collaboration.
11:13:13 From Valerie Lisk : I met 3 previously unknown cousins on FST.
11:13:14 From Randy Seaver : Roxanne – watch some of the Legacy videos about using LFT with FamilySearch Family Tree.
11:13:52 From Roxanne Cummings Basey : Thanks Randy. Will do asap.
11:15:10 From marian koalski : The LFT videos are excellent, and they teach methods that could (should) be applied to other packages, too (like how to add sources, how to name places, etc.)


11:16:06 From Maria Tegtmeier : I like the FamilySearch Memory App [that syncs with my profile, or an ancestors’ at ]FamilySearch. You can easily record a memory or upload a picture and quickly link it to person.
11:16:54 From Deb Andrew : I had a issue with that, family said man was the father, when he was not, but his brother. I had to use DNA to prove it.
11:17:06 From Valerie Lisk : I added it once I found DNA proof. That’s what happened to my paternam grandmother.
11:17:28 From Dawn Carlile : I would add it to my RootsMagic tree and the source would say family tradition, who told me, etc.
11:17:38 From Dawn Carlile : DNA!
11:18:29 From Dawn Carlile : Keep in mind that those siblings were probably told that info by the same person.
11:26:02 From marian koalski : I put “maybe” at the front of the possible surname, like “maybe Franklin”
11:27:14 From Cousin Russ : DNA DAY and Thomas MacEntee’s warning – https://www.facebook.com/groups/DearMYRTLE/permalink/10160353011115374/
11:27:20 From Deb Andrew : I put an open note on Ancestry for a challenged descendant and why it is challenged.
11:30:02 From Micki Minner : I am the oldest of 4, and all 4 of us siblings have all different DNA percentages…however, I also found that 1 of us do not have the same mother and father as the other 3! Blaine Bettinger helped me determine that she must have been adopted or taken in by my parents. Shock to all of us! NOBODY knew…yes, I agree…even family tradition should be noted in your files! I have “suspicions” about her parentage, but no proof “yet”
11:30:25 From Shelley Murphy : I submitted a Living DNA test and waiting to see what comes back vs the other tests I have taken.
11:30:30 From Randy Seaver : I would add “Transfer raw data to GEDMatch” also, which is FREE.
11:30:34 From Shelley Murphy : “Cousin Bait”.
11:30:45 From Micki Minner : YEA…COUSIN BAIT!
11:30:52 From Betsey Cotter to All panelists : If I tested my parents, is there any reason to test my siblings?
11:31:31 From Randy Seaver : FTDNA, MyHeritage and GEDMatch have chromosome browsers that can help you find common DNA segments and identify common ancestors.
11:31:32 From Shelley Murphy : MyHeritage results came back and is a bit different then ancestry and 23andme. It was interesting.
11:32:16 From Shelley Murphy : When will Ancestry put up a chromosome browser?
11:33:14 From Randy Seaver : Shelley, they have resisted forever. We need a browser, but also the tools to identify chromosome segments that match.
11:33:47 From Kathleen` Newbill to All panelists : I thought the question was exclusionary…you and your siblings can only have the DNA your parents have. If they’ve tested, won’t their DNA cover the ground as far as relatives are concerned?
11:34:09 From Randy Seaver : MyHeritage has done a great job with the tools in a short time.
11:34:18 From Deb Andrew : I view testing siblings along with parents, is that the siblings, including yourself adds another layer for the future generations who are trying to reach back.
11:34:43 From Shelley Murphy : Living DNA was at Rootstech…it was also an interesting sales pitch.

DNA Painter
11:35:04 From Shelley Murphy : I want to learn DNA Painter.
11:36:38 From Micki Minner : DNA Painter helped me a LOT! I would get DNA “matches” that I couldn’t figure out…and on DNA Painter you can easily see what side of the family the match lands!
11:36:42 From Bill West : I know of someone who insists that DNA testing is the final word in confirming the accuracy of a family tree but where results for siblings can differ I don’t think that is true.
11:36:59 From Valerie Lisk : They have linked Blaine’s cM chart to DNApainter as a calculator. You can change the amount of cM and see the posible relationships.
11:38:30 From Cousin Russ : DNA PAINTER https://dnapainter.com/
11:39:07 From Cousin Russ : DNA DAY and Thomas MacEntee’s warning video – https://www.facebook.com/groups/DearMYRTLE/permalink/10160353011115374/
11:39:33 From Cousin Russ : DNAQuest (pro bono by MyHeritage) is now world wide https://www.dnaquest.org/
11:40:32 From marian koalski : Is that young woman going to head-punch her grandmother with her hat?
11:40:39 From Shelley Murphy : They are building their nitch!
11:41:09 From Shelley Murphy : My numbers were different vs ancestryDNA
11:42:36 From Dawn Carlile : Not that one. It is the MyHeritage DNA, not Geoff Live.

11:43:29 From Cousin Russ : Hands-On with MyHeritage DNA https://familytreewebinars.com/download.php?webinar_id=792
11:43:48 From Cyndy Bray : MyHeritage webinars are always free on Legacy’s Family Tree Webinars.
11:43:49 From Shelley Murphy : It’s the best $49 a year I have spent.
11:43:56 From Dawn Carlile : Geoff is also related to Ron Snir, I think it was him. One of the two men from MyHeritage that day anyway.
11:44:20 From Cousin Russ : Gail Dever Petition to save WWI-era Ukrainian internee cemetery in Quebec http://genealogyalacarte.ca/?p=23508
11:44:22 From Randy Seaver : Ethnicity estimates with different companies are varied – I’ve found 23andMe and MyHeritage are best for me. It has everything to do with the reference groups used to identify n ethnicity
11:44:32 From Cousin Russ : Judy Russell’s NARA DIGITIZED RECORDS http://www.legalgenealogist.com/2018/04/20/and-another-thing/

11:44:46 From Cousin Russ : We CONTINUE our discussion here: https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/102461242403735457058/+DearmyrtlePage/posts/DSxgndQdEqp
11:45:05 From Cousin Russ : This technology will become available by the end of the year? Wow! https://thefamilycurator.com/how-to-preserve-and-test-old-letters-for-grandmas-dna/
11:45:07 From Valerie Lisk : They have sales were it’s 40% off and usually Thomas M. gives a coupon code for an additional 15% off.
11:45:08 From Cousin Russ : .
11:47:34 From Donna Burleaud : Thanks for keeping us so well informed about genealogy topics!
11:47:52 From Janine Edmée Hakim : te title of the article is Can DNA testing be trusted? The shockingly imprecise science of a proven courtroom tool
11:47:56 From Shelley Murphy : Good talk today…enjoy the rest of your day!
11:48:20 From Dawn Carlile : Wonderful information once again!
11:48:23 From Danine Cozzens : So much helpful info today — thanks to all!
11:48:37 From Randy Seaver : Janine, thery don’t use the genealogy tools for criminal testing – they use other DNA test methods.
11:48:41 From Mary Lou Gravatt : Great Hang out!
11:49:08 From Deb Andrew : Yes,
11:50:28 From Hilary Gadsby : I am going to get some birthday cake and more tea. HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

11:50:45 From Tina Torsey : What Chapter are we doing Wed? AmericaGen Study Group
11:53:36 From Cousin Russ : AmericaGen Study Group, Wednesday, April 25, 2018 Chapter 4 “Evidence”, Noon Eastern US (New York), 11am Central US (Chicago), 10am Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 9am Pacific US (Los Angeles)

SYLLABUS – Researchers Guide to American Genealogy 4th Edition by Val D. Greenwood, 2017 (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co.) Available in paperback

https://zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_m-BvT1rGQGWI6RMyC2YRKw

11:53:51 From Tina Torsey to All panelists : thanks
11:56:30 From Janine Edmée Hakim : Thanks Randy Seaver… good to know that the DNA that might be collected from an artifact or stamp will be more accurately analyzed and therefore be reliable when it is used for genealogy.

Wednesday, 25 April 2018 THE ARCHIVE LADY, 9pm Eastern US (New York), 8pm Central US (Chicago), 7pm Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 6pm Pacific US (Los Angeles) We are delighted to feature our resident archivist Melissa LeMaster Barker, who serves as the Certified Archives Manager at the Houston County, Tennessee Archives. A popular genealogical speaker, author and blogger, Melissa is also the FGS Forum Reviews Editor.

https://zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_vrzNTLJ0SjuDZq5iJk5yfA


AFTER PARTY
11:59:25 From Valerie Lisk : John do you know approx. how much you need per day in Stratford Upon Avon for food etc?
12:01:06 From Valerie Lisk : How much would a pub meal be. We are doing the hop on hop off bus.
12:02:39 From Valerie Lisk : I’m trying to make sure I load my travel card with enogh money.
12:02:40 From Kathleen` Newbill : 12 to 15 Euro per person when I was in Belfast in February.


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