AmericaGen Study Group

Shelley Murphy and Chari Hudson Passey served as coordinators, compiling panelist homework and co-moderating this discussion about evaluating evidence.

Val Greenwoods bookSYLLABUS
The Researchers Guide to American Genealogy 4th Edition by Val D. Greenwood, 2017 (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co.) Available in paperback.

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DearMYRTLE’s AmericaGen Study Group – Chapter 4 combined homework

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10:00:49 From Cousin Russ : Researchers Guide to American Genealogy 4th Edition by Val D. Greenwood, 2017 (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co.). This week we’re discussing Chapter 4 “Evidence” with examples from panelists’ research.
10:00:51 From Sheri Fenley : Good Morning everyone from sunny California!
10:01:20 From Lisa Gorrell : Good morning everyone from sunny Salt Lake City.
10:01:59 From Cousin Russ : DearMYRTLE’s AmericaGen Study Group – Chapter 4 combined homework
10:02:04 From Melinda Culpon : Good morning from not humid Texas!
10:02:12 From Jack Gracey : Good morning to all from cool, rainy Massachusetts
10:02:39 From Sir Leprchaunrabbit : good morning from a snow-free (finally) Alberta; sound issues, BRB
10:02:40 From Diana Watson : Good morning from NW Pennsylvania.

10:06:17 From Cousin Russ : See Helen F. M. Leary, CG, CGL “Evidence Revisited: DNA, POE, and GPS,” OnBoard 4 (January 1998), published in paper and online by the Board for Certification of Genealogists ( : Viewed 25 April 2018.)

10:07:33 From Cousin Russ : [Subscription site-well worth the $]
10:08:31 From Lisa Gorrell : Plus when you are a member, you get the handout with the webinar.
10:09:08 From Irene : Love these webinars. I keep adding to my subscription every time they offer a discount, sometimes 1/2 price. I think up to expiring 2021.
10:09:46 From Cyndy Bray : Also, there are many webinars for members only
10:10:29 From Lisa Gorrell : Good point, Cyndy.

The Legal Genealogist

10:13:20 From Cousin Russ : Judy Russell’s webinars about genealogy and the law.
10:13:36 From Cousin Russ :
10:14:49 From June Butka : In New Hampshire You can now go to your local town clerk for 1930 births, 1965 marriages and 1960 deaths, early ones are at state level.
10:15:05 From Roxanne Basey : Confusion: ESM says information is primary or secondary and evidence is direct or indirect. Greenwood says evidence is original/firsthand or secondary. And their definition of direct and indirect are different. This was my confusion and I’m still not clear.
10:15:28 From June Butka : PS. If those records were in any New Hampshire town without traveling to the town.

10:17:33 From Liberty Evanko to All panelists : I am here but I caught the end of Shelley covering my stuff. Sounds like she did great. Thank you.

10:18:09 From Roxanne Basey : But the definition of direct and indirect are different too. That is a big difference to me.
10:18:45 From Roxanne Basey : ESM says direct is relevance to question and indirect in inadequate relevance.
10:19:26 From Randi Patrick : Keeping in mind with the investigative process, sources, records, documents and/or evidence is considered to be from a primary or secondary source. Better definitions could be found in a legal dictionary
10:19:31 From Roxanne Basey : Greenwood says that direct is evidence that standing alone it answers the question.
10:20:43 From Roxanne Basey : That’s not quite right. Because direct evidence per ESM can be inaccurate
10:21:14 From Roxanne Basey : Direct per ESM does not have to be accurate and does not have to answer the question. The relevance question is different.
10:21:29 From Roxanne Basey : But according to Greenwood it CANNOT be inaccurate. It MUST be correct.

10:21:34 From Jackie Wilson : Could “collateral” refer to collateral people aka FAN? [Friends, associates and neighbors]
10:22:49 From Danine Cozzens : I thought that “collateral” was a legal term which Greenwood applied to genealogy. But it’s a rich source for FAN evidence!

10:28:56 From Cyndy Bray : What do you do if your conflict comes from unsourced trees?
10:30:06 From Roxanne Basey : How did you verify that the list was in land order?

10:30:46 From Danine Cozzens : My very question being answered, Lisa! Knowing how the parcels relate is important.
10:31:18 From Deb Andrew : When did they go, Alabama and Mississippi’s state line changed.
10:31:27 From Molly McKinley : I have found probate records for the same man in Alabama where he died and in Arkansas where his sons moved to.

10:35:13 From Irene : Cyndy, if I use a tree for info on one of my brick walls, I add the person, any dates and places, and a note that it came from this tree and why I think it’s appropriate to add on a temp basis. Then I start looking for the records to verify myself. I only do this when I have a good reference back to the match/tree and think I can find the proof.

10:37:20 From Lisa Gorrell to Roxanne Basey and all panelists : I was seeing the whole book and could see it listed by Township and Range.
10:39:37 From Shelley Murphy : Judy Russell when worlds collide
10:40:37 From Lisa Gorrell : It’s trying to figure out the motivation of the informant is important.
10:54:04 From Lisa Gorrell : Sometimes parents raise the children of one of their children as their own.
11:08:10 From Jackie Wilson : I use online trees as hints only!
11:08:41 From June Butka : Some trees have the source in comments. they don’t know how to add the new source.

11:08:51 From Valerie Lisk : Does Judy have When Worlds Collide online?
Judy Russell’s “When Worlds Collide” webinar

11:09:25 From June Butka : Trees are turned off for my searches. unless I have no other hints.
11:09:27 From Valerie Lisk : thank you!
11:12:14 From June Butka : Don’t forget to date your comments or notes. Also if a web page, save the page. For example, RootsWeb is down, but I have the screen capture from when I found it.

11:12:44 From Cousin Russ : The Written Conclusion – a DearMYRTLE Genealogy Study Group
11:13:12 From Shelley Murphy : great point June, I have to remember that
11:13:34 From Lisa Gorrell : The conclusion is what you’re using to answer the research question.
11:14:12 From Lisa Gorrell : I put my conclusions in the notes section of each event in my RootsMagic.
11:14:53 From June Butka : If there is a diary of the doctor on the field, you may have another source to view.
11:15:49 From June Butka : Same here, DearMyrt.
11:16:49 From Shelley Murphy : on my timeline there is a column for notes and questions and then what’s next.
11:17:33 From Shelley Murphy : get a genealogy buddy can help too
11:19:57 From Cousin Russ : OUR CONVERSATION CONTINUES


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11:21:42 From Deb Andrew : Yes. I ordered the new one. DH said I could keep the old one I just received.
11:21:54 From Roxanne Basey : I am so excited. I got invited to join Pro Gen with this new book.
11:23:31 From Cousin Russ :
11:23:57 From Molly McKinley : Great class
11:25:38 From Jackie Wilson : I have family in Columbiana county, OH!
11:25:51 From Lisa Gorrell : Gotta run. Great session!.

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