ARCHIVED: Mondays with Myrt – 21 May 2018


This practical advice for family historians include:

  • DNA tests
  • DNA reference groups
  • The British Institute
  • AmericanAncestors
  • Virginia History of History and Culture
  • genealogy society insurance
  • GDPR
  • Research Like a Pro eBook from Family Locket
  • Rhode Island Military Records books on eBay


09:49:38 From Dave Robison: Just want to brag a bit. WMGS is slowly approaching 200 members and at CSG, we held our 50th anniversary “celebration” last Saturday.
09:54:11 From Molly to All panelists : I don’t have a camera any more since Hurricane Irma.
10:00:01 From John Laws : Hi Everyone. How ya doing?
10:00:22 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : Good Morning to all.
10:00:44 From Melinda Culpon : Howdy from Texas!
10:00:58 From June Butka : Doing well, John. Love e seeing your garden photos.
10:02:22 From Merlin : Hello from Wisconsin–raining this AM, again.
10:03:14 From Liv Birgit : Hello from France. Had some trouble joining, it was all in French.
10:03:17 From Hilary Gadsby : No significant rain here for a while now
10:05:51 From Molly : Arkansas is like a black hole in the older records.
10:07:21 From Bill West : Goood morning! Finally here from sunny Massachusetts
10:07:39 From Randy Seaver : there are some free databases at AmericanAncestors but you need a guest account
10:07:49 From Cousin Russ : NEHGS
10:08:01 From Molly : You can have some of our Florida rain…it has rained for 2 weeks now.
10:08:08 From Randy Seaver : AA has probate packets now for several counties – original records!

10:10:29 From Dave Robison : We recently had a Welsh research presentation from Susan Sit at WMGS. Part of her presentation included pronouncing the name of that town with far too many consonants. She also pronounced the LL for us1
10:11:03 From Randy Seaver : how do you pronounce the double L?
10:12:50 From SMurphy : I hear Lincolnshire or Lancashire the same, based on sound?
10:13:28 From Marian Koalski : If you put the tip of your tongue against the roof of your mouth and blow air out the “sides” of your tongue it makes the sound. Some people call it a lateral lisp.
10:14:19 From Pat Kuhn : Delaware has the Hundreds also
10:14:57 From Melinda Culpon : similar to our counties in the US – my UK ancestors are from West Riding
10:15:27 From Cousin Russ : 2018 British Institute

10:24:15 From Dave Robison : For detailed Bassett Family info, see
10:25:22 From Dave Robison : Click the “Splinters from the tree” to view newsletters that have been published monthly since 2014
10:25:29 From deecoz : Russ, when you say “validate” what do you mean? Confirming their lines as well as yours? or more?
10:25:57 From Cousin Russ : Validate – DNA Matches my Paper Trail
10:28:16 From Rebecca: SMyrphy: Lincolnshire or Lancashire? Are you referring to pronunciation or geography. Lincoln is the major city in Lincolnshire East of Sheffield; and Lancaster is the major city in Lancashire Northwest of Manchester. I have a time with British English too.
10:28:28 From Debra : I manage over 40 kits and have had fanatistic results with the matching. Only one was a NPE, I have found relatives for 5 NPEs. I’ve tested at all of the top companies.

10:30:11 From Cousin Russ : Laws Family Register
10:31:13 From SMurphy : I have tested with all of the companies. Now waiting for the results from Living DNA. I manage 7 kits. My ancestry is Great Britian-Lancashire

10:34:53 From deecoz : We go from birthing descendants to hunting ancestors!
10:35:06 From Robbin Smith : hello finally found a link that worked!

10:36:18 From Dave Robison : I can vouch for Randy’s New England origins as he pronounced “Leominster” correctly!!
10:38:22 From SMurphy : From AncestryDNA I am 25% Europe West, 16% Ireland/Scotland/Wales, 5% Scandinavia,
10:38:23 From Randy Seaver : My DNA comparison is
10:38:27 From Robbin Smith : me either
10:38:33 From Cousin Russ : My DNA comparison is
10:38:46 From jacquelinewilson : I have tested at 3 companies and have the kit for LivingDNA (FtDNA=MtDNA way back when + 23&ME + Ancestry). I have 1 person with a match of 684cM and 5 others in the 300 range. Unfortunately, the person with the highest DNA match has not answered my Ancestry message.

10:41:31 From Randy Seaver : I just received a first cousin 1x removed on MyHeritage (I know who she is), and now have 1 first cousin (AncestryDNA), 1 firast cousin 1x removed (MyHeritage), 2 first cousins 2x removed (Ancestry), 2 first cousin 2x removed (MyHeritage) and 1 2nd cousin (Ancestry).

10:44:04 From Cousin Russ : DearMYRTLE’s Genealogy Community on Google+ Plus:
10:44:14 From Cousin Russ : DearMYRTLE’s Facebook Group:
10:44:27 From Cousin Russ : GeneaWebinars —
10:44:40 From Cousin Russ : DearMYRTLE’s Calendar
10:47:00 From June Butka : Randy. where in New Hampshire?
10:47:42 From Randy Seaver : Salem NH
10:48:06 From SMurphy : Now myHeritage percentages are off compared to the others.
10:48:07 From June Butka : Wow very close to where I live.
10:50:20 From cyndy : The testing companies tests are slightly different so expect to see differences in estimates
10:50:36 From SMurphy : I expected them to be the same or close.
10:51:12 From June Butka: I expect different DNA results from each company.
10:51:25 From Randy Seaver : June, I’ll come visit you the next time I visit Salem. don’t hold your breath, though – no trips planned for foreseeable future because of Linda’s health.
10:51:36 From Bill West : I have mostly English ancestors but Ancestry says I have 25% Scandinavian ethnicity . Those Vikings really got around.
10:51:42 From Robbin Smith : me too .1% ashkenzai
10:51:51 From Robbin Smith : on 23andMe
10:52:29 From Robbin Smith : I expect them to be pretty much the same
10:52:49 From Hilary Gadsby : The British Isles had a lot of invasions so going to have same DNA as other Europeans
10:53:07 From SMurphy : I have tested with Ancestry, 23andme, myHeritage, National genographic, Living DNA (waiting for results)
10:54:14 From June Butka : Always welcome anytime, Randy. We still need that paper trail cousin match. I haven’t seen you as a DNA match to you on my sites. not surprised because of our distant cousin relationship.
10:54:22 From Randy Seaver : dropping their seed all over England but not Scotland, right?
10:54:27 From Marcia Philbrick : DNA — Recent discussion in a FB group about ethnicity. The poster had paper genealogy going back to Scotland / Ireland while ethnicity had high % Scandinavian but very little Scottish / Irish. My DNA is similar – 17% Scandinavian while paper strongly points to Scotland.
10:54:32 From jacquelinewilson : My ethnicity results prove the family story that my birth father is from Greece (or there about).

10:54:45 From Cousin Russ : GRANT CLUB MEDAL
10:58:34 From Bill West : There were Viking settlements in Northern Scotland and the islands near there, so chances are good they left children there, too.
10:59:41 From SMurphy : Thank you Dave…for speaking with Coy B. Appreciate it.

GDPRGeneral Data Protection Regulation (EU)
11:01:16 From Randy Seaver : what liability are you trying to guard against?
11:01:31 From Marcia Philbrick : Is FGS the best place for a society to find info on dealing with GDPR?
11:04:36 From Cousin Russ :
11:04:44 From Cousin Russ :
11:05:02 From jacquelinewilson : Several small companies are now going out of business like Mitosearch because of GDPR! BOO HOO!
11:05:16 From Cousin Russ :
11:05:36 From Cousin Russ :
11:06:44 From Robbin Smith : good point about instituional knowledge
11:08:21 From Marian Koalski : Dave Robison, do you have a How-To-Be-President document (etc. for sec, treasurer, program chair…)?
11:08:58 From Marian Koalski : My husband started one for our square-dance club, and it was revolutionary.
11:09:26 From Hilary Gadsby : This is from UK ICO
11:11:33 From Hilary Gadsby : Issuing fines has always been and will continue to be, a last resort. Last year (2016/2017) we concluded 17,300 cases. I can tell you that 16 of them resulted in fines for the organisations concerned
11:11:37 From Marcia Philbrick : I’ve been reading the forum and there are quite a few posts where people are taking down their blogs. is working to make their service compliant. Blogger is also working to become compliant.
11:11:56 From jacquelinewilson : I am getting my re-verify notice from the bloggers themselves rather than mail chimp et
11:12:19 From Marcia Philbrick : Blog issues include ‘Cookies’, Comments (registering with an email address) and a privacy page (possibly more)
11:12:46 From Hilary Gadsby : I have seen from official ICO that resubscription is not necessary
11:13:06 From Melinda Culpon : Shouldn’t sites like Feedly have to send confirmation to blogs again? [NOTE: Feedly is cloud based, and you must go there to read the blog posts you’ve added to your Feedly list.]
11:13:55 From Molly : It is any website. Our church shares links to Facebook and Youtube. Those things have cookies on your site.
11:13:59 From June Butka : I may need to rethink my blog. I wasn’t aware of this.
11:14:14 From Marcia Philbrick : John Laws’ comment about privacy and birth makes me wonder about RootsMagic websites. I have a RootsMagic site but haven’t investigated this yet.
11:14:57 From Marcia Philbrick : My blog post about my blog and GDPR –
11:17:25 From Randy Seaver : the bottom line is that all Internet users/content providers may be at the mercy of the folks who want the right “to be unknown.” Arggghhhh. Stupidity IMHO.
11:17:27 From Marcia Philbrick : One of my major concerns is how to advise our local historical society. They have members and research requests from Europe.
11:18:27 From Molly : It is mostly you must assure your readers that you are not a threat to them. Make your policies and privacy totally open and truthful, with ablility for the ready to op-out of your site’s collection of informaton.
11:19:22 From Marian Koalski : Actually, these protections are what US residents should want for themselves. Don’t you mind when your contact info gets sold or given to some other party? If first happened to me with an email prayer list from church.
11:21:15 From Randy Seaver : My hope is that Blogger and Feedburner and Feedly, as content providers, will provide a means to deal with GDPR, similar to what Marcia put on her blog.
11:21:43 From Robbin Smith to All panelists : zoom handles the subscriptions they have the data; therefore they are responsible for compliance.
11:21:46 From Randy Seaver : Frankly, this is restriction of freedom of speech – the First Amendment in the USA.
11:22:05 From Cousin Russ :
11:23:59 From Robbin Smith to All panelists : whomever controls the data is to be compliance
11:24:01 From Molly : I would put up a privacy statement anyway to be sure.
11:24:28 From Marcia Philbrick : WordPress (and probably Blogger) is working on tools for users that will help keep the blogs compliant. One tool WordPress is working on is the ability to remove user info.
11:26:49 From Marcia Philbrick : Google Analytics and other tools collect user info to generate site statistics. These are probably impacted by GDPR.
11:26:56 From Robbin Smith to All panelists : blogs are a website
11:27:10 From Molly : If you can access it on the www it is a website.
11:27:42 From dcarlile : It doesn’t matter if it is a website or blog, you cannot collect the info without their permission and only for uses they approve. Our society email newsletter applies.
11:28:07 From Randy Seaver : so what information on a genealogy blog wouild violate the privacy protections that GDPR supposedly will enforce?
11:28:49 From Cousin Russ : WP GDPR
11:29:15 From Bill West : Oy, I’m getting a headache trying to figure out how this will effect me.
11:29:34 From Robbin Smith to All panelists : the “data collector” is the one responsible for compliance
11:29:46 From Yvonne Demoskoff : Is it correct to say that if someone from the EU visits my blog to read, but not comment or sign up for email posts, then as a blogger I haven’t anything to worry about the GDPR?
11:29:51 From dcarlile : If their name is in the comments on the blog, it shows u pon our blogsite for everyone to see.
11:30:55 From jacquelinewilson : Russ, do you have access to the email addy? If you do, then it applies – based on my reading on the subject.
11:30:58 From Molly : Some of the hosting sites are trying to make their hosting compliant also. I got an email from mine that they are working on solutions also.
11:31:07 From Robbin Smith to All panelists : google analytics would be the data collector
11:31:20 From Marcia Philbrick : The commenting feature is the one that I’m most concerned about right now since I require users to give me their name and email address to comment.
11:32:09 From Robbin Smith to All panelists : yes that would be you being the data collector
11:32:59 From Randy Seaver : so we could stop posting comments to avoid a potential violation
11:34:33 From SMurphy : It is so sad that we are discussing this and there are people that want to do harm to others….so will we see the info on the posters making comments on my blog the way they see it?
11:34:54 From Robbin Smith : You can’t collect and store any personal data without having obtained, and being able to document that you obtained, consent from the persons you’re collecting data from. You can, however, collect and store personal data in your server logs for the limited and legitimate purpose of detecting and preventing fraud and unauthorized system access, and ensuring the security of your systems.
11:35:21 From Molly : I have considered stopping any comments. That would be the only way that I collect emails.
11:35:35 From Randy Seaver : Would a potential violation on my blog would be mentioning a living European person? Or having access to a living European person’s birthdate or address or email and publishing it?
11:36:19 From dcarlile : Cookies track where else you go on the interent and send that info back to teh website.
11:36:21 From Robbin Smith  : saving cookies generally allows you to ease of re_accessing the site
11:37:07 From Marian Koalski : Randy — excellent question!
11:37:14 From SMurphy : Good question Randy!
11:37:31 From Marian Koalski : Call me 007.
11:37:35 From Debra : Has the US agreed to this, as it covers Us cititzens and our laws. [ NOTE: This is a European Union directive.]
11:38:48 From Molly :
11:39:53 From dcarlile : It applies to EU citizens regardless of where the information is stored in the world. If you have EU customers than you have to comly with the law. If you only have US cutomers, it does not apply to you, until EU person signs up for something, buys something from you, etc. As I understand the law.
11:40:01 From Marcia Philbrick : EU GDPR portal –
11:40:16 From Randy Seaver : Is information about dead people in a blogp ost or an online tree subject to GDPR? Do dead people have rights in Europe? They don’t in the USA.
11:41:05 From Randy Seaver : If I have a living person in my private RootsMagic tree or private Ancestry tree, am I subject to GDPR?
11:41:07 From Molly : If we can provide proof of privacy policies we should be fairly safe.
11:41:37 From Cousin Russ : Welcome to Here you can find the official PDF of the Regulation (EU) 2016/679 (General Data Protection Regulation) as a neatly arranged website. All Articles of the GDPR are linked with suitable recitals.
11:42:06 From Debra : Seems like it would be part of the International Trade Laws and how each country interacts or agrees to participate in such agreements. Seems like a real invasion trying to over rule people in other countries.
11:42:30 From Randy Seaver : There are many online genealogy databases that have info about living persons. Will those be removed by Ancestry, FamilySearch, MyHeritage, FMP, etc?
11:43:13 From Randy Seaver : Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
11:43:49 From dcarlile : People can opt-in – agree to sign up, what you use, etc. I have been receiving these emails all week requiring me to say yes, I want to continue receiving whatever it is.
11:44:23 From Hilary Gadsby : WikiTree is making anyone who may be living unlisted in order to ensure they comply. Unless that person is a registered member.
11:44:57 From Molly : It has to be people in the European Union who access your site. Not US citizens.

11:45:19 From Marcia Philbrick : yDNA surname projects are being affected by GDPR. Based on the project I participate in, FTDNA is moving the projects. There is a new setting on the sharing and privacy part of my account that affects the sharing of my DNA data with the project. I had to go in and ‘opt in’ to continue sharing my DNA data with the project.

11:45:55 From Bill West : What about obituraries that list names of survivors?i
11:45:58 From jacquelinewilson : Doesn’t SSA chains & applications redact info on living people?
11:46:21 From dcarlile : These are all United States records which do not fall under the GDPR. [NOTE: GDPR affects any website that presents information.]
11:47:01 From Yvonne Demoskoff : I just received an email from Virtual Genealogical Society letting me know that I need to confirm that I’d like to receive content from them. But I live in Canada
11:47:10 From Randy Seaver : what about EU citizens who reside in the USA? Or Canada, or wherever?
11:48:04 From Hilary Gadsby : We should be careful with information we hold for living and recently deceased persons wherever they live.
11:48:17 From Randy Seaver : Will newspapers and TV stations not be able to mention the names of criminals or witness names?
11:49:53 From Cousin Russ : THE Genealogy Show
11:50:16 From Cousin Russ : Judy Russell, The Legal Genealogist

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11:50:28 From Cousin Russ : ARCHIVED: WACKY Wednesday “Online Searches – How do you approach a web site?”


IMAGE: Screen shot from FamilySearch blog

11:50:57 From Cousin Russ : “When an archivist opened a book in the room, the termites just scurried out trying to find a hole to hide in.” –David Ouimette, FamilySearch Content Strategist.


IMAGE: Randy Seaver explains how to search by Ancestry’s Database ID number.

11:50:58 From Randy Seaver : Blog post about updated Ancestry Hint Mining by collection is at
11:51:12 From Cousin Russ : Research Like a Pro eBook
11:51:20 From jacquelinewilson : I just bought it!

11:52:07 From Cousin Russ : Rhode Island military records
11:54:09 From SMurphy : Enjoy the rest of your day!

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Reporting Errors to Websites

Admittedly the majority of errors are local hardware or end user mistakes. Be sure to eliminate these by keeping your operating system and web browser up to date. Before reporting an error also reboot your device (tablet, smart phone or computer) to verify the problem persists.

As with any website, rather than calling customer support its usually more productive to:

— send a written report, typically found under help/feedback

— describe your equipment – mobile iOS/droid, computer including OS version, web browser including version.

— explain what you were doing when the problem occurred.

— provide ID of ancestor in question or database in question

Being specific and providing technical info pushes your report to the tech team as opposed to the entry-level support team.


NOMINATIONS: Laura G. Prescott Award for Exemplary Service to Professional Genealogy

NOTE from DearMYRTLE: The following was received last week from the Association of Professional Genealogists. Note the deadline for nominations is 10 Jule 2018.

Call for Nominations
Laura G. Prescott Award for Exemplary Service to Professional Genealogy
Due 10 July 2018

The Laura G. Prescott Award for Exemplary Service to Professional Genealogy was unveiled at the 2017 Professional Management Conference. APG President Billie Fogarty presented the award to Laura G. Prescott, a past APG President and longtime active member. We are now accepting nominations for the award to be presented at the 2018 Professional Management Conference to be held October 4-6 in Kansas City, Missouri.

This award is in recognition of exemplary professionalism and continuing encouragement to other professional genealogists. It acknowledges those with a career devoted to uplifting fellow genealogists and improving their career circumstances and opportunities, and dedicated service to the field of professional genealogy. The award is open to any member or organization in the genealogical community.

The Awards Committee invites APG members and APG Chapters to submit nominations in PDF format to Kathleen W. Hinckley, Executive Director, at by 10 July. Please put the name of the award in the subject line of the email.

Nominations should include a written statement describing the nominee’s contributions to professional genealogy. The Awards Committee will recommend a winner to the Executive Committee.

Kathleen W. Hinckley, CG
Executive Director


REGISTER: DearMYRTLE Webinars June 2018

It’s time to play catch up and see what everyone’s been doing these last few weeks.


June 2018 DearMYRTLE Webinars


18 June 2018 Mondays with Myrt Our flagship webinar, where we talk about anything and everything that’s come across our genea-desks in the last week.
Noon Eastern US (New York), 11am Central US (Chicago), 10am Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 9am Pacific US (Los Angeles)

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20 June 2018 WACKY Wednesday with DearMYRTLE’s *very* distant cousin Our topic is determined by our Mondays with Myrt discussions.
9pm Eastern US (New York), 8pm Central US (Chicago), 7pm Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 6pm Pacific US (Los Angeles)


25 June 2018 Mondays with Myrt Our flagship webinar, where we talk about anything and everything that’s come across our genea-desks in the last week.
Noon Eastern US (New York), 11am Central US (Chicago), 10am Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 9am Pacific US (Los Angeles)

AmericaGen Study Group

27 June 2018 AmericaGen Study Group will discuss their take on Chapter 5 “Libraries and the National Archives” from The Researchers Guide to American Genealogy 4th Edition by Val D. Greenwood, 2017 (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co.) Available in paperback


27 June 2018 The Archive Lady . We are delighted to feature our resident archivist Melissa Barker, who serves as the Certified Archives Manager at the Houston County, Tennessee Archives. A popular genealogical speaker, author and blogger, Melissa is also the FGS Forum Reviews Editor.
9pm Eastern US (New York), 8pm Central US (Chicago), 7pm Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 6pm Pacific US (Los Angeles)

Here’s a picture when Mr. Myrt and I visited with Melissa at the library in Erin, Tennessee where her volunteers were scanning items in preparation for a WWI commemorative event coming up in the fall. And YES, that IS a smile from Mr. Myrt.

A Visit with The Archive Lady

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