As usual we discuss the latest genea-news that’s come across our desk including:

  • the fire in Rio at the archives
  • how libraries and genealogy societies partnerships work
  • deciding now what to do with our compiled genealogy before we pass away
  • FindMyPast – England and Wales Electoral Registers
  • Will the FamilySearch Family Tree outlive other online trees?
  • Editing and watching ancestor profiles on FamilySearch
  • WWII Machinist 1st Class Rollie Gagnon interview with Jennifer Holik
  • mirrored trees (thanks to Louis Kessler)
  • DNA Color Clustering: The Leeds Method for Easily Visualizing Matches
  • Lisa Gorrel’s trip to Cornwall
  • Hilary’s trip to an awesome bookstore on her trip to England
  • Was DearMYRTLE’s ancestor at Little Big Horn with Custer?



09:55:22 From Dave Robison to All panelists : This has since been updated but here’s where we started:
09:56:34 From Hilary Gadsby to All panelists :
09:56:57 From Dave Robison to All panelists : Here’s the link to the upcoming live Boot Camps:
09:58:14 From Dave Robison to All panelists : Allen County Library is saved!!
09:58:53 From Hilary Gadsby to All panelists :

10:00:20 From Hilary Gadsby : Rather wet here today we are in Seahouses photos on Facebook south of Berwick on Tweed
10:00:58 From Janine Edmée Hakim : Hello
10:01:17 From Bill West : Good morning from hazy hot and humid Massachusetts!
10:01:31 From Andrew Hatchett to All panelists : Able to listen today- YAY!
10:02:32 From Mary Lou Gravatt : Hi from Hazy, Hot and Humid New Jersey.

10:04:46 From Bill West : Hi Cousin Dave!
10:05:00 From Dave Robison : Good Muggy Morning, Bill!
10:06:56 From Hilary Gadsby : I am not too far from John today a bit further south but very wet continuous rain no photos today

Rio Fire
10:07:20 From Cousin Russ : Rio’s 200-Year-Old National Museum Destroyed in Massive Fire
10:11:12 From Cousin Russ : Not just for scholars anymore? $12.7M Newberry Library rehab aims to be more inviting to the public
10:12:32 From Hilary Gadsby : We need to encourage the younger generation to use libraries if they are to continue
10:12:49 From June Butka : Our local Library is celebrating 125 years Sept 8, 2018.
10:14:17 From June Butka : Our Library is trying to reach out to adults and teens for age specific activities.
10:14:36 From Hilary Gadsby : Went to a large secondhand bookshop today posted the link above.
10:15:09 From Dave Robison :
10:15:10 From Randy Seaver : CVGS is sponsoring a Family History Day with the Chula Vista library on 29 September. Lectures on DNA and WDYTYA program for  local politician, plus stations in the library for research help, DNA help, pedigree chart help, FamilySearch stations, books, and children activities. all day long
10:17:50 From Randy Seaver : We will also have an “Ancestors Matter” display of photos with one-page biographies. I used my 2nd great-grands Isaac Seaver and Devier Smith
10:18:10 From June Butka : Has a great archives for the First Settlers of Newbury, Massachusetts
10:18:11 From Dave Robison : On the other end of the spectrum, our museum and library hosts the “Learning in Later Life” program.
10:19:27 From Hilary Gadsby : Libraries are more than books these days they also have audio books and other items our local library has microfiche readers
10:20:20 From grahamwalter : RNIB (Royal National Institute of Blind People) do specialised books for the blind or sight impaired
10:20:26 From Hilary Gadsby : Don’t forget they provide online access to some websites
10:20:29 From Lisa Gorrell : Many of the libraries in California have books in many other languages.
10:21:18 From Lisa Gorrell : Libraries have become sort of after-school day care areas and the middle school kids hang out there. Now the librarians are creating programs for them.
10:21:19 From grahamwalter : Definately will 🙂
10:21:24 From June Butka : Our local Library has a machine that monitors earthquakes. and 3D printer.
10:22:52 From Marian Koalski : Yes, we have sections of books in other languages — and DVDs from other countries
10:23:19 From Marian Koalski : Adults are being forbidden to enter teens’ area
10:24:30 From Deb Andrew : The Denver Library has a very large genealogical section and on-line reference books. The other city library, like Aurora and Englewood have rooms for meetings and often will allow displays of your groups interest.
10:25:25 From Marian Koalski : I remember being unhappy with the kids-only books that were on the Bookmobile when I was a kid.
10:25:51 From June Butka : Many seniors are using the library computers. This save money on fixed income.
10:26:09 From Randy Seaver : has the CVGS Family History Day flyer for 29 September
10:26:11 From Dave Robison : In Springfield, middle school kids were invited to draw imaginary animals. Then, professional artists created glass sculptures which are on display in one of the buildings.
10:26:46 From Pat Kuhn : at Bethlehem Library has many archives for the area
10:26:46 From Hilary Gadsby : Local reference section is common in our libraries
10:26:55 From Marian Koalski : Library computers are good for people who don’t want to manage their own software installations, security, etc.
10:27:45 From cyndy Bray : Our library has film/fiche readers. Also a special collections room which is staffed one day a week by members of the genealogy society to help people with research
10:28:40 From Janet Iles to All panelists : home delivery to shut ins by volunteers, seed exchange, teen programs, plus the usual library services
10:30:29 From Dave Robison : Nearly all the libraries in this area have Ancestry Library subscriptions.
10:32:13 From Randy Seaver : After the DNA overview talk on 29 September, we will start a monthly DNA Interest Group meeting on 3rd Wednesdays at the library to share DNA tips, techniques, news, etc., and discussion of DNA challenges and successes
10:32:39 From Hilary Gadsby : I have access to websites through The National Library of Wales as well as the local library and I am looking at getting access via the local university library.

10:36:26 From Louis Kessler : Myrt: You’re going to really enjoy the genealogy cruise to Alaska. Unlock the Past is a great group.
10:36:54 From DearMYRTLE : I’m thrilled to participate. I know many of those going on the cruise.
10:37:47 From Louis Kessler : I’ve done two of their cruises before and really loved them. Wish I was going on this one.
10:38:37 From Lisa Gorrell : Will you be allowed to sell the books that are duplicates?
10:38:47 From Marian Koalski : Watch the Rootstech video “How not to leave your genealogy behind”

10:41:40 From Randy Seaver : Books can be given to a library or sold to society members (or eBay), pedigree charts could be entered into an online tree (Ancestry, FamilySearch), photos if IDed could go to historical society, collected papers from books/periodicals are probably useless, correspondence is probably useless, a genie society could put stuff on specific families into vertical files. CVGS has tried to deal with this, but it’s tough.
10:42:21 From Marian Koalski : Randy has proposed some good places to post electronic reports
10:42:22 From Hilary Gadsby : I got a book today to give to my FIL which I will start and then ask him to fill in what I do not know so that information will not be lost.
10:42:36 From Molly McKinley : I am going through all several thousand pages of documentation and either scanning and keeping or pitching. I used to save anything that looked like it could be my family. I work on it a little each day so it is not so overwhelming.
10:42:47 From Randy Seaver : thanks Marian – I was just looking for that!
10:42:57 From Bill West : Sadly many people don’t appreciate their family history, let alone history in general. I believe this is why so many people who take DNA tests don’t bother to post a family tree. THey are only interestedin their ethni origins.
10:43:53 From Lisa Gorrell : The key is to leave your research in a form that the kids want to keep it: ie as a book, photo album, something that looks complete.

10:43:59 From Randy Seaver : My view is that FamilySearch Family Tree is the largest collaborative tree and can be used to “store” family photos, record images, stories, biographies, notes, sources, etc.
10:44:10 From Randy Seaver :
10:44:31 From Randy Seaver : FS Family Tree is likely to be the longest lived online tree.

10:44:45 From Mary Lou Gravatt : Our son was in civil war reenactment they went to schools and each class had the students come out and talk the reenactors. The children were so excited they had their parents come back that evening. Our son enjoy talking to the children.
10:48:41 From Melinda Culpon : That is why it is important to put the information in a will or put someone in charge of that portion of the estate.
10:48:48 From Pamela Wile to All panelists : My grandson’s grade 3 teacher taught them cursive this past year.
10:50:19 From Pamela Wile : My grandson’s grade 3 teacher taught them cursive writing this past year even though it’s not on the curriculum – East Hants County, Nova Scotia
10:50:38 From Dave Robison : Good for her!
10:52:22 From June Butka : I use the Discussion section of the Family Search Profile.
10:52:45 From June Butka : I also use the watch list.
10:52:50 From Bill West : The problem with FamilyTree is that after I’m gone, I can’t correct the bad information people add.
10:53:16 From June Butka : I just saw that when reviewing the tree
10:53:31 From Hilary Gadsby to All panelists : I have had to do a lot of changes in the last 2 days but want it to be right
10:53:37 From Barbara Gressel : I have all of my direct descendants on the watchlist. It is frustrating when someone makes a change that you know is incorrect. When I make a correction I always include my source.
10:54:32 From Hilary Gadsby to All panelists : I have a large watch list which I need to update
10:55:00 From June Butka : I have a person who keeps changing my Benjamin Fletcher father to Timothy from Benjamin. I know Benjamin is the father and I sourced it.
10:56:15 From June Butka : I didn’t do it all my people on the watch list. I think I will now add all to the watch list. Thank you, Randy.
10:56:19 From Hilary Gadsby to All panelists : Sometimes the names of places are just not standard spelling
10:57:04 From Marian Koalski : Melinda Culpon is correct: Choose a “genealogy executor” and let him or her know what to keep and what to pitch and where to send the stuff they don’t want to keep.
10:57:18 From Bill West : If they come up with a Watch List tat will work in the afterlife so I can haunt people with bad info, then I might change my opinion.
10:57:40 From Marian Koalski : Good one, Bill!
10:58:02 From Bill West : 🙂
11:00:14 From Randy Seaver : The downside of adding all ancestors to your watch list is that the weeky change list gets longer.
11:00:34 From Deb Andrew : United States needs to be added.
11:00:45 From June Butka : County spelled up out is what the prefer.
11:01:41 From Lisa Gorrell : I just noticed that, too. I have it smallest to largest but no date. Hazel Dell Cemetery, Gustine, Comanche County, Texas, United States
11:02:23 From Hilary Gadsby to All panelists : The standard spellings often don’t like very specific places only down to a town or village rather than a cemetery
11:03:31 From Randy Seaver : I’m seeing a lot of locality entries with town, township, county, state, country. Technically, that’s correct, especially where a township includes many towns.
11:06:44 From Hilary Gadsby : I have that problem with Gunby in Lincolnshire
11:06:50 From Marian Koalski : We have lots of place names that no longer exist but were used in (say) the 1850 US Census. Especially mining towns.
11:07:21 From Doris Haskell : Isn’t there something similar about Baltimore, MD?
11:07:52 From Marian Koalski : Marine Corps air base
11:09:34 From Melinda Culpon : What is the conflict when one source says USA vs United States ? This drives me nuts.
11:09:50 From Hilary Gadsby : Location is so important and many of the errors are due to people not looking at the location on the source they are attaching
11:12:02 From Marian Koalski : I like the way that the burial place was originally entered— very informative. Let the computer sulk.
11:12:18 From Devon Lee to All panelists : I finally made it!!!
11:12:44 From Marian Koalski : You can click on the data in question, and it will tell you the history.
11:16:07 From Devon Lee : Press Edit on the Burial Facts. Then it would be “Reason to Change”
11:16:51 From Devon Lee to All panelists : Create a custom source and add the document.
11:19:10 From Cathy Naborowski : Leave clear instructions for what to do with your stuff.
11:19:48 From Devon Lee to All panelists : My favorite is to write books and include suggestions for future reserach in those books.
11:19:55 From Randy Seaver : You could “publish” info about your ancestors on blog pages, ebooks, published books, etc.
11:21:26 From Cousin Russ : Crista Cowan’s Barefoot Genealogist
11:22:00 From Randy Seaver : My plans for epublishing are in

11:22:12 Machinist 1st Class Rollie Gagnon serviced one of two propellers on his steam-driven ship, participating in the invasion of Casablanca, the Island of Sicily, Italy and Normandy. The ship’s 5 inch guns provided support about a mile offshore for the Army and Marines to land. – Great interview, Jennifer Holik.

11:22:16 From Randy Seaver : I need to update what I did in 2012 using
11:24:59 From Randy Seaver : Here is Roberta Estes blog post on mirror trees —
11:26:04 From June Butka : I was told that a mirror tree should be labled as such for people doing research know it is a duplicate tree.
11:26:38 From Louis Kessler : A mirror tree is where you set up a tree for your DNA match and you attach your own DNA to your DNA match.
11:27:47 From Louis Kessler : Doing that, you’ll get DNA hints of the people in that person’s tree who match you.
11:28:06 From June Butka : If you do direct line only you will miss the possible connection. At least 5 generations is recommended.
11:28:27 From Louis Kessler : I don’t know if I can
11:34:01 From Doris Haskell : Is it like I am stepping into Mary Smith’s shoes?
11:34:56 From Randy Seaver : Could you upload your own downloaded DNA raw data to Mary Smith?
11:35:42 From Mary Lou Gravatt : June Butka I agree with you about missing connection if only direct line. I was able to figure out DNA connect to my great-aunt’s great-grandchildren.
11:36:33 From June Butka : Question, Some people have connected the DNA to ancestor in a different generation. Is that useful?
11:36:34 From Deb Andrew to All panelists : You can move it around to others on the tree to get a better match.
11:37:00 From Melinda Culpon : The key is to WAIT – for those hints – 6+ weeks possibly
11:41:07 From Molly McKinley : I can see this for a couple of mine who have NO names that match any names on mine, yet are supposed to be 3 or 4th cousin.
11:41:27 From Randy Seaver : The Roberta Estes blog post has links to articles on “How To Build a Mirror Tree” and also “I Have a Mirror Tree, now What?” — and
11:42:34 From Melinda Culpon : I have had success with this method. Especially because of unknown parentage of Great Grandmother – it works well
11:45:04 From June Butka : I do spreadsheet with the shared matches to help fine tune the matches and see who else match the same name. This helps me see what line they are connected to.
11:48:39 From June Butka : Don’t forget to look at Facebook and other online tree programs to see if they have a tree there. I found a few that way.
11:50:20 From Cousin Russ : DNA Color Clustering: The Leeds Method for Easily Visualizing Matches
11:50:50 From Molly McKinley : Lots of great advice.
11:50:51 From Devon Lee to All panelists : She’ll Be at RootsTech
11:51:12 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : Using shared matches. I have my four grandparents under each I have the matches from each of their lines.
11:51:15 From Lisa Gorrell: The Family History Centre in Truro and then in Redruth while in Cornwall, England.

10:02:59 From Hilary Gadsby : I have been buying books today at Barter Books

11:52:42 From Randy Seaver : I was finding Redruth Cornwall records for my WDYTYA target guy, but had an ancestor wrong, so I had to look in Somerset once I found the right ancestor.
Was My Ancestor at Little Big Horn
11:55:47 From Cousin Russ : ARCHIVED: Was My Ancestor at Little Big Horn with Custer?
11:55:52 From Cousin Russ : ARCHIVED: AmericaGen Study Group Chapter 9
11:56:36 From Yvonne Demoskoff : Is the cruise making a stop in Vancouver? [Note: Victoria, not Vancouver.]
11:58:39 From grahamwalter : have a great cruise Myrt
11:59:38 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : Thanks, Louis. What is your last name again please?
12:00:57 From Randy Seaver : Doris, it’s Louis Kessler
12:01:02 From Barbara Gressel : Have fun Pat.

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