My heart is in the handwriting

Most genealogists are thrilled when an ancestor photo has been identified by writing on the back so we know who is featured in the portrait. Today, I’d like to focus on a slightly different benefit. Sorting through old pics to be scanned, I spotted my Dad’s handwriting, and the tears started flowing. My heart is in my throat. I miss him so. Dads home reverse

Dad writes “My home @ 310 W Garfield St. Seattle from about 1928-1931??” Back in the early 2000s I added “Written by Glen S. Player” when I first saw this photo years ago, as if I could forget. Dad’s handwriting does pull on my heart strings.

The image above is the face of the photograph, which I am sure holds many memories for people who once lived there. To me, it’s just a place we’ve driven past many times as Dad would take us around places where he lived, attended school, and later worked after returning from WWII military service. What I treasure is Dad’s handwriting on the reverse side.

This is my maternal grandmother Frances Irene Goering’s handwriting on the back of a postcard. “Valentines Greetings from Little Red Riding Hood. Grandma I went to a party and this is the was I dressed. Love to you & Grampa. From Frances.”

GrandmaFrancesValentine reverse

There is no date on the postcard, and it was never mailed, so I cannot guess the age of my grandmother in this picture on the other side.

I have to tell you, Ol’ Myrt here is most assuredly waxing nostalgic here.


BCG adopts standards for DNA evidence

For immediate release 27 October 2018

News Release, Board for Certification of Genealogists

Board for Certification of Genealogists Adopts Standards for DNA Evidence

On 21 October 2018, the Board for the Certification of Genealogists (BCG) approved five modified and seven new standards relating to the use of DNA evidence in genealogical work. BCG also updated the Genealogist’s Code to address the protection of people who provide DNA samples.

The new measures are intended to assist the millions of family historians who now turn to genetic sources to establish kinships. The action followed a public comment period on proposed standards released by BCG earlier this year.

“BCG firmly believes the standards must evolve to incorporate this new type of evidence,” according to BCG President Richard G. Sayre. “Associates, applicants, and the public should know BCG respects DNA evidence. It respects the complexity of the evidence and the corresponding need for professional standards. BCG does not expect use of DNA to be demonstrated in every application for certification. However, all genealogists, including applicants, need to make sound decisions about when DNA can or should be used, and any work products that incorporate it should meet the new standards and ethical provisions.”

“Standards for Using DNA Evidence,” a new chapter to be incorporated in Genealogy Standards, introduces the issues this way:

“Meeting the Genealogical Proof Standard requires using all available and relevant types of evidence. DNA evidence both differs from and shares commonalities with documentary evidence. Like other types of evidence, DNA evidence is not always available, relevant, or usable for a specific problem, is not used alone, and involves planning, analyzing, drawing conclusions, and reporting. Unlike other types of evidence, DNA evidence usually comes from people now living.”

In brief[1], the new standards address seven areas:

Planning DNA tests. The first genetic standard describes the qualities of an effective plan for DNA testing including types of tests, testing companies, and analytical tools. It also calls for selecting the individuals based on their DNA’s potential to answer a research question.

Analyzing DNA test results. The second genetic standard covers factors that might impact a genetic relationship conclusion, including analysis of pedigrees, documentary research, chromosomal segments, and mutations, markers or regions; also, composition of selected comparative test takers and genetic groups.

Extent of DNA evidence. The third genetic standard describes the qualities needed for sufficiently extensive DNA data.

Sufficient verifiable data. The fourth genetic standard addresses the verifiability of data used to support conclusions.

Integrating DNA and documentary evidence. The fifth genetic standard calls for a combination of DNA and documentary evidence to support a conclusion about a genetic relationship. It also calls for analysis of all types of evidence.

Conclusions about genetic relationships. The sixth genetic standard defines the parameters of a genetic relationship and the need for accurate representation of genealogical conclusions.

Respect for privacy rights. The seventh genetic standard describes the parameters of informed consent.

The modifications made to several existing standards call for:

• Documentation of sources for each parent-child link.

• Where appropriate, distinction among adoptive, foster, genetic, step, and other kinds of familial relationships.

• Use of graphics as aids, for example: genealogical charts and diagrams to depict proved or hypothesized relationships; or lists and tables to facilitate correlation of data and demonstrate patterns or conflicts in evidence.

• Explanations of deficiencies when research is insufficient to reach a conclusion.

A new edition of Genealogy Standards is expected to be ready by next March. A new application guide and judging rubrics incorporating the new standards will be released at about the same time. In the interim, portfolios submitted for consideration for certification will be evaluated using the existing Genealogy Standards.


[1] The Board for Certification of Genealogists® (BCG) contractually granted the publisher of  Genealogy Standards the exclusive right to copy, publish and distribute the standards including amendments. However, BCG-certified associates have the contractual right to include reasonable portions of the standards in presentations, articles, blog posts, social media, and the like. In no case may BCG or its associates allow the standards to be published in their entirety because the publisher deems that competitive to its publication rights.

The words Certified Genealogist and the designation CG are registered certification marks and the designations Certified Genealogical Lecturer and CGL are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board-certified associates after periodic competency evaluations, and the board name is registered in the U.S. Patent & Trademark Office.

CONGRATS to MyHeritage – Oslo Conference


MyHeritage LIVE is happening in Oslo, Norway 2-4 Nov 2018. It’s their first ever users conference. Just look at the lineup of speakers – internationally renowned in the fields of genealogy and DNA. MyHeritage LIVE will feature lectures and hands-on workshops. The conference will be held at the Radisson Blu Scandinavia hotel in Oslo, Norway. The hotel is located in the center of Oslo, near the Royal Palace. For the official conference schedule click here.

Keynote talks from Founder and CEO Gilad Japhet, there will be genealogy and DNA lecture tracks and hands-on workshops to take you through MyHeritage tools and features step-by-step. If you have a specific question, our support staff will be on hand throughout to assist you.

Special evening events and lunches, included in your registration fee, will give you the chance to meet other MyHeritage users from around the world and mingle with MyHeritage staff and experts.

Ol’ Myrt here just received the following from Daniel Horowitz, the Chief Genealogist at MyHeritage:

We are just 8 days away from an exciting weekend in Oslo and I have good news to share with you. We are making the final arrangements to live stream the genealogy and DNA tracks online on the MyHeritage LIVE conference website, so please tune in from 9:00 a.m. Oslo time on 3 November. If you need help calculating the time difference to your local time zone, you can use Make sure to visit the conference website to see the full schedule and tune in at the time of the lecture to watch the live stream.

Here’s where to follow Daniel:

Here’s where to follow MyHeritage:

Cannot wait to hear from attendees using the conference hashtag: #MHLIVE2018



Mondays with Myrt – 22nd Oct 2018


As usual we discuss the latest genea-news that’s come across our desk including:

  • FindMyPast Fridays
  • Several New Books on Ireland
  • Map Guide to American Migration
  • Valerie & Myrt’s Excellent Genealogy Adventures YouTube Channel




Psychology Today
09:50:26 From Dave Robison:
09:51:08 From Cousin Russ to All panelists : .
09:58:04 From DearMYRTLE to All panelists : Findmypast Friday October 12th

10:00:50 From grahamwalter : Morning (afternoon/evening) All
10:01:15 From Doris Haskell : Good morning from Rock Springs, Wyoming.
10:01:31 From Deb Andrew : Good morning.
10:01:39 From Michele Jackson to All panelists : Good Morning!
10:04:06 From Deb Andrew : My step-sister ran away and married at the age of 12.
10:04:29 From Bill West : Good afternoon from chilly southeastern Massachusetts!
10:04:53 From Betty-Lu Burton : Good morning from a frosty Arkansas
10:05:51 From Liv Christensen to All panelists : Good evening from Bærum (close to Oslo), Norway. It has been a beautiful autumn day here.
10:06:50 From Liv Christensen : Will repeat it so the attendees can see it too: Good evening from Bærum (close to Oslo), Norway. It has been a beautiful autumn day here.

10:06:53 From Hilary Gadsby: Are we going to mention The Family Nexus beta on android?
10:07:50 From Molly McKinley : My grandmother’s first marriage was when she was 14. Her mother and step-father signed for her.
10:08:01 From grahamwalter : Nice day here too in London… very pleasant for this time of year 🙂
10:08:38 From Kathleen Daetsch : I think after you put it in your story you have to share it or no one will see it but you
10:09:36 From Vonda Heverly to All panelists : Stories only last 24 hours.
10:10:21 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : My FB has the My Stories on the right hand side of the screen between the timeline and who is online.
10:10:23 From Marian Koalski : Remember Jerry Lee Lewis and his 13-year-old cousin?
10:11:54 From Cousin Russ : NATIONAL ARCHIVES (US) Virtual Genealogy Fair
10:11:57 From Cousin Russ : .
10:12:49 From Cousin Russ : It’s Day #22 of “31 Days of Tips from The Archive Lady” and today I am talking about one of my favorite record sources “Vertical Files…What Are They?” Check it Out! #genealogy #archives —

German Residential Records
10:14:28 From Cousin Russ : German Residential Records For Genealogists: Tracing Your Ancestor From Place to Place in Germany; Roger P. Minert, Ph.D., A.G.; 2018; Soft Cover; 193 pp; 8.5×11; ISBN: 978-1-62859-214-6;
Map Guide to American Migration Routes
10:14:53 From Cousin Russ : Map guide to American migration routes, 1735-1815 by William Dollarhide
10:14:53 From Cousin Russ : .,
10:15:14 From Mary Lou Gravatt : Randy Seavers Are you still using We Remember at Anestry? You mentioned it several months ago.
10:16:07 From Randy Seaver : Mary Lou – I did several of them but haven’t done any more.

ValerieMyrt Excellent Genealogy Adventures

10:16:39 From Cousin Russ : Valerie Elkins & DearMYRTLE announce a joint venture
10:16:43 From Cousin Russ : .
10:17:35 From Randy Seaver : Do Valerie and Myrt need a butler?
10:19:50 From Hilary Gadsby : You have similar considerations that I had when I first came to RootsTech
10:20:36 From Dave Robison : Passport FYI Details:

10:21:23 From Deb Andrew : Years ago when my dh and I were moving to Australia, I had to get a passport. It was the first time I saw my original birth certificate. It had some very interesting info on it. Then when my daughter was born in Australia, she needed a passport as well. I remember my dh standing over her to take her picture for the passport. She was an infant but had a seperate one, so that she could travel with either parent.
10:21:39 From John Laws : It gonna be an adventure for me coming from not in Edinburgh Scotland
10:23:00 From John Laws : Also gonna try to RoosTech 2019 in London ExCel in October
10:24:57 From Melinda Culpon : Look at flights from Manchester to Norway as well – just more information for you
10:25:08 From Tony Proctor to All panelists : sorry, fighting with zoom. May have to just be a participant
RootsTech Generic10:25:55 From Cousin Russ :
10:27:40 From Hilary Gadsby :

10:28:56 From Cousin Russ : Chula Vista Genealogical Society
10:29:44 From Michele Jackson  : We have a small society here and we are trying a new lunch and learn series which I hope will help us but our fb group has thousands so the reach of social media for societies is super important, but you have to have something for them that interests them to pull them in
10:30:49 From John Laws : Ancestry continually offering DNA discounts in the US but exclude the UK
10:30:50 From Kathleen Daetsch : I have a question, if we can get to it, about DAR lineage books as evidence
10:33:17 From Deb Andrew : Remind them that sometime in the further they may be contacted by someone who is a NPE or are adopted.
10:33:36 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : Ancestry
10:33:57 From Betty-Lu Burton : Relative Race had a relative connection last week where the man on relative race was the connection needed for a lady who had been adopted out of his family
10:34:12 From Maureen Winski to All panelists : I just downloaded my Ancestry to MyHeritage for free
10:34:33 From Michele Jackson to All panelists : I can not see results.
10:34:34 From Pam Helm : i can see them
10:34:35 From Pamela Wells : I see it now and have voted, thank you
10:34:40 From Liv Christensen : Yes it is possible to go from Manchester to Norway, that is Oslo. But we might start the trip in Trondheim, because we are going to Surnadal which is 1-2 hours from Trondheim. If we start in Oslo, I would recommend taking the train to Trondheim, a 6 hours trip through the Gudbrandsdal and over the mountain plain Dovre. If you are lucky you might see the musk-ox
10:34:57 From Melinda Culpon : Found a new cousin – happy that worked out well
10:35:51 From Kathleen Daetsch : I have uploaded to MyHeritage
10:36:27 From Pamela Wells : Many years ago I used Sorensen who are now out of business, unfortunately!
10:36:45 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : I have uploaded to GEDMatch and MyHeritage
10:36:58 From Nicole Smith to All panelists : oh, I’ve also uploaded to MyHeritage too. I didn’t answer that in my poll results though
10:37:06 From Kathleen Daetsch : I have also uploaded to genmatch also’
10:37:06 From cyndy Bray : Also uploaded to My Heritage and Gedmatch
10:37:21 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : I did the Sorensen also.
10:37:28 From Nicole Smith to All panelists : i’ve uploaded to GEDmatch
10:37:33 From Rachel Evans to All panelists : I’ve had both my parents tested at Ancestry as well. Just uploaded their results to both myheritage and gedmatch. My mother, who is not interested in genealogy at all, wants to take another test somewhere else because of her low Italian on ancestry.
10:37:33 From Deb Andrew : All the kits I manage are on Gedmatch. That is around 55 kits.
10:37:38 From Devon Lee to All panelists : I’m not understanding the question.
10:37:57 From Pamela Wells : I use Gedmatch daily as I manage 23 DNA accounts for friends and family members.
10:38:16 From Launa Droescher to All panelists : I also did Sorenson test never received any results
10:38:18 From Linda Jordan to All panelists : I’ve uploaded 3 kits to Gedmatch, however I haven’t found anyone as yet.
10:38:19 From Devon Lee to All panelists : Andy
10:38:38 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : They are open about being public, and it’s not a problem for me. More cousins!!
10:38:48 From Pamela Wells : I personally have no problem with it since I have a DNA test out there anyway and it does solve crimes….
10:38:49 From Devon Lee to All panelists : Oops..

Andy is a supporter of GedMatch because it allows people to meet in the middle no matter which company they use.
10:38:52 From Randy Seaver : I don’t have a problem with that myself – if I had a criminal background I wouldn’t be using it.
10:39:00 From Kathleen Daetsch : I agree Dave
10:39:08 From Molly McKinley : Amen, Dave
10:39:23 From Nicole Smith to All panelists : Considering that my husband almost died of a genetic disease and if we had known about it before hand… well I’m in favor of it
10:39:23 From Randy Seaver : You do have to give consent
10:39:36 From Geoffrey Cooker to All panelists : PLEASE keep in mind that law enforcement must still adhere to the 4th and 5th amendments.
10:39:47 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : The criminal did not use GEDmatch. The investigators identified him with his cousins who were on GEDmatch.
10:39:52 From Sherry Wilmes to All panelists : Each of these companies can be sold to insurance companies. When federal and state laws prohibit use for discriminatory purposes, I would love to do it. They are not selling this for hobby purposes.
10:39:59 From Nicole Smith to All panelists : but yes it could negatively affect my kids
10:40:01 From Pam Helm : I agree with Dave.
10:40:24 From Betty-Lu Burton : Too many people have a false sense of what Privacy is. With Ged Match being voluntary there should be no problems. She matches living people through old fashion detective work using already public records
10:40:26 From Geoffrey Cooker to All panelists : A search warrant is ALWAYS the best policy when searching for information.
10:41:08 From Rebecca Williams : How do I say this? If you don’t want your information publicly available, then don’t put your results out there. No one is forcing you to put it out where other people can see and use it.
10:41:32 From Devon Lee to All panelists : Rebecca… I think you just did
10:43:01 From Rebecca Williams : There are those people who would put their DNA results on GED Match so that their criminal relative gets caught.
10:43:17 From Dave Robison : Pam mentioned Sorensen. I know they’re out of business but thought Ancestry bought the data base. I could be wrong.
10:44:14 From Devon Lee to All panelists : Here’s the thing. Now that DNA is out there, your cousins, your siblings, your aunts could be the individuals who are sharing their DNA, even if keep your DNA private. Many researchers are using the DNA to find those common ancestors and then go offline to do descendancy research to determine the link to those involved in crimes. So, even if you’re being private in your DNA usage, your extended family could be the reason the questionable ancestors are found.
10:44:18 From Pamela Wells : I discovered a half sister who is 4 mos older than I . We have met and loved my new Sis immediately.
10:44:19 From Louise Smith to All panelists : In theory, I don’t have any issues with DNA being considered public when an individual uploads their own DNA – I think of it as being no different than throwing away a cigarette or kleenex, etc. in a public garbage. I DO have an issue though with people being identified through DNA submitted by someone else. Ultimately, to allow this, we are changing the intention of existing legislation with respect to DNA evidence. However, that being said, I’m Canadian, AND I haven’t reviewed the wording of the existing legislation and any relevant cases
10:45:03 From Geoffrey Cooker : DNA on GEDMATCH also raises the question of a person’s expectation of privacy. If you put your DNA on a site such as GEDMATCH, you may be relinquishing your expectation of privacy. That’s where the constitutional issue comes in on this topic.
10:45:05 From Janet Iles : Living DNA does Y-DNA
10:45:25 From Louise Smith to All panelists : This, in my view, opens the door to more than we’re prepared for and it’s not particularly helpful to close the barn door after the horses have left the barn
10:45:50 From Devon Lee to All panelists : When you can’t find anyone yet, be patience. I didn’t find matches for 5 years!
10:45:56 From Randy Seaver : Upload your DNA results form another company to MyHeritage before 1 December – if you do it before then you can continue to use their free tools. If not, using the tools will cost a fee
10:46:11 From Kathleen Daetsch : But you don’t have to be retested on My Heritage you can upload to them
10:46:20 From John Laws : My 2nd cousin in South Africa Nicholas Laws has tested we share grt grandfather 1828-1891
10:46:21 From Nicole Smith to All panelists : And it I do agree with you, so this next comment is only by way of explanation, not to disagree with anyone. Genetic testing result aren’t necessarily private if you test within a healthcare setting. My husband and I are considering it for our two boys but in the future it could be held against them.
10:46:41 From Pamela Wells : I only wish my parents were alive today…my new sis was a product of a girlfriend my father had after he returned from WW II ….SO, be sure you are prepared for news that might be quite alarming to other family members.
10:47:24 From Marian Koalski : Does law enforcement do surveillance on suspects?
10:47:32 From Nicole Smith to All panelists : However then the boys would know for sure about their inherited clotting disorder.
10:47:35 From Marian Koalski : And their relatives?
10:47:53 From Dave Robison : Marian…Yes, that’s how they were able to get DNA samples for some of these criminals.
10:48:00 From Kathleen Daetsch : Same with me Russ
10:48:29 From Janet Iles : Living DNA gives the Haplogroup and subclade for the Y-DNA
10:48:47 From Hilary Gadsby : I am trying to persuade one of my 3rd cousins to upload to My Heritage as she has done Ancestry test and I have not but I am on My Heritage

10:49:55 From Cousin Russ : DNA testing comparisons
10:49:58 From Rachel Evans : I just noticed while using Chrome is ancestry shows if the person has an unlinked tree instead of no tree.
10:50:05 From Pamela Wells : Blaine Bettinger has a couple of great groups on Facebook to help people learn all about DNA
10:51:06 From Devon Lee to All panelists : The ethnicity results constantly change as new information comes to light. Ancestry just had an ethnicity result revamp.
10:51:07 From Molly McKinley : Almost all my paper is British Isles, but I showed up 30% Scandinavian. Must have had some sailors in the group! LOL
10:51:09 From Cousin Russ : DNA Central
10:51:20 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : Yes! Some people test thinking they will just learn their ethnicity. They are surprised to find cousin/close family matches.
10:51:29 From Pamela Wells : All of my DNA tests from, 23 & Me and myheritage have different ethnicity.
10:51:34 From Randy Seaver : I think law enforcement uses the matching tools, then does research on the family using genealogy tools, comes up with possible suspects, then tries to find more evidence that can compare to the DNA sample from the crime – using warrants and standard police work
10:52:11 From Deb Andrew : My grandmother was supposed to be 1/2 or 1/4 Native American. According to all the people tested from her direct line, no Native American. I also did the mtDNA test, still none. It took them forever to be able to see that is was a story that was handed down and not be true.
10:52:23 From Betty-Lu Burton : My Italian originally showed up as Iberian Peninsula and now shows up as Jewish. When I look at the historical maps I understand the why. The area of Italy my great grandparents came from was not settled by Italians
10:52:29 From Leah Smith : The Dana Leeds Method is a good way for newbies to begin working with matches. Very visual.

10:52:51 From Mary Lou Gravatt : I did my and my husband’s DNA to maybe break a brick wall for each of us.
10:52:51 From John Laws : Cos they have NOT followed the Paper trail
10:53:14 From DearMYRTLE : CeCe Moore – Genetic Genealogist
10:53:21 From Hilary Gadsby : I expected 100% English but have some NPE in my ancestry
10:53:44 From Devon Lee to All panelists : I think it’s from the marketing by the companies that drive the ethnicity results being the first reason peole test. I remember the MyHeritage Christmas campaign that was heavily about ethnicity not cousin matches.
10:53:54 From John Laws : Europe & GB had transient populations
10:53:57 From Geoffrey Cooker : You are correct, Randy Seaver. In the agency I work for, we would obtain a search warrant for anything that is not recognized as public domain. Basically, people using GEDMATCH should understand that they MAY not have a reasonable expectation of privacy because it is a website that is accessible by ANYONE.
10:53:59 From Nicole Smith to All panelists : I’ve never understood where they draw the line for heritage delinage because before someone was Irish they were from somewhere else?
10:54:14 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : Dave just made me laugh right out loud!!
10:54:16 From Betty-Lu Burton : People forget that Europe’s boundaries have changed some much over the years and hundreds years ago there was a major shift in population
10:54:29 From Pamela Wells : I have found the paper trail of your family tree along with your DNA tests run parallel in most of my DNA connections.
10:54:36 From Kathleen Daetsch : Yes
10:55:09 From Cousin Russ : CeCe Moore – Genetic Genealogist
10:55:42 From Randy Seaver : Geoff – I don’t think that any living person has been identified yet publicly as being THE match that caused an arrest. Those persons have been protected as far as I know. It could change, of course.
10:56:36 From Devon Lee to All panelists : Agreed about the separate DNA emails. We do this!
10:57:57 From Devon Lee to All panelists : QUESTION: If DNA is such a hot button, why are folks not upset about the ability to access various vital records? I obtained a birth record for someone born in 1930 who is still living. Additionally, the tax records are online.
10:58:48 From Kathleen Daetsch : I also use a profile name but my sons use their own name.
10:59:03 From Geoffrey Cooker : You’re correct, Randy. But the issue that seems to be hitting us in the law enforcement community is the invasion of the government into private information. DNA is an exciting option in genealogy and the internet is our generation’s “Wild West”, and mixing the two together raises some very interesting issues!
10:59:14 From Pamela Wells : The DNA Detectives group on Facebook lead by CeCe Moore is an excellent way to learn about DNA
10:59:36 From Devon Lee to All panelists : I’m not wanting things to change, it’s just that folks can access more of our ‘private’ informaiton than we realize in the US>
10:59:51 From Randy Seaver : They are all public records depending on state laws. I can get a “not for identification” record for births and deaths after 1905 in California, but I have pay about $20 for it.
11:00:46 From Randy Seaver : We are all in DMV, bank, credit card, criminal and court records many times – private detectives can find all of that quickly.
11:00:47 From Kathleen Daetsch : I’m in New York they are trying to change it. I think it is 70 now they want to make it over 100
11:00:49 From Nicole Smith to All panelists : It’s very difficult to get birth records in New York and New Jersey
11:02:16 From Devon Lee to All panelists : John… that’s hilarious.
11:02:39 From Michele Jackson to All panelists : In the mid 1990’s I remember watching my gram carefully cut up the envelopes that came in the mail so no one could get her address from the garbage…. I never did tell her about the internet.
11:02:47 From Marian Koalski : yes
11:03:13 From Devon Lee to All panelists : No, but I’m applying for the ‘other side’. UEL

11:04:03 From Cousin Russ : National Society Daughters of the American Revolution
11:04:22 From Danine Cozzens : Several lines of mine are “red flagged” now in the excellent DAR database. Those books are clues, not proof.
11:04:24 From Marian Koalski : They are not acceptable in themselves, but they have good clues. The public can buy images of the documentation from many members’ application, from DAR.ORG.
11:04:39 From Linda Jordan to All panelists : I want a record from a court case where my grand aunt was institutionalized before 1920. Still unable to get court case because of way state laws are written, even under freedom of information laws.
11:04:41 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : I have tried 4 times and been rejected.
11:05:09 From Marian Koalski : MANY members’ applications — not ANY.
11:05:12 From Rachel Evans : Kathleen NYC just passed 125 for births, 75 for deaths.
11:06:10 From Kathleen Daetsch : If you buy them do you get the documents
11:06:11 From Rachel Evans : Yep. Especially since a majority of my family is NYC
11:07:04 From Cousin Russ : DNA Central
11:07:20 From grahamwalter : UK Birth certificates – come GRO website “The only restriction is that under Identity Fraud legislation you must know the full details of the person (including full date of birth and parents names) for any birth that occurred within the past 50 years.”

11:07:32 From Cousin Russ : Blaine Bettinger’s Genetic Genealogy Tips & Techniques Facebook Group
11:07:43 From Rachel Evans : Kathleen, Joshua Taylor posted about it with more information here
The Polish Czech and Slovak Genealogy Guide
11:08:25 From Cousin Russ : The Family Tree Polish, Czech And Slovak Genealogy Guide: How to Trace Your Family Tree in Eastern Europe
11:08:28 From Marian Koalski : Has anyone seen Kenyatta Berry’s new book yet?
11:08:35 From Maria Tegtmeier to All panelists : Yay. Happy to be hear.
11:08:40 From Marian Koalski : Yay!

The Family Tree Toolkit by Kenyatta
11:08:41 From Cousin Russ : The Family Tree Toolkit: A Comprehensive Guide to Uncovering Your Ancestry and Researching Genealogy
11:09:41 From Randy Seaver : also instant frustration…

IRELAND guide to Tipperary
11:09:52 From Cousin Russ : A Guide to Tracing your Tipperary Ancestors

IRELAND guide to Leitrim

11:09:58 From Cousin Russ : Guide to Tracing your Leitrim Ancestors

11:10:03 From Cousin Russ : Tracing Your Irish Ancestors: The Complete Guide. Fourth Edition
11:10:46 From Hilary Gadsby to All panelists : Nathan  Goodwin has a new book coming out on 11 November the first in a new series. Ghost Swifts, Blue Poppies and the Red Star (Mrs McDougall Investigates Book 1) Kindle Edition.
11:13:52 From Danine Cozzens : Operator error!

11:14:10 From bjanvier to All panelists : Are you going to be holding a new GenLaw Study Group? [NOTE: You’ll find the link to the playlist of DearMYRTLE’s GenLaw Study Group videos here: ]

11:14:39 From Danine Cozzens : Trackpad fumble as I capture all the excellent links…
11:15:01 From Cousin Russ :
11:15:01 From Cousin Russ : .
11:15:19 From Cousin Russ : From last week which I can talk about
11:17:50 From grahamwalter : Women’s Vote (UK) 1918 enfranchised women over the age of 30 who were either a member or married to a member of the Local Government Register. 1928: Women received the vote on the same terms as men (over the age of 21) as a result of the Representation of the People Act 1928.
11:18:11 From grahamwalter : sorry – no mic connected
11:18:54 From Randy Seaver : FMP also has collections from the parish records for many counties of Baptisms, Marriages and Burials that are more extensive than the IGI. They were very useful in my “This is Your Ancestry” study for the local politician
11:24:49 From Devon Lee : I remember that program. It was fun but not as fun as today
11:25:51 From Hilary Gadsby : You can also see if the family may have stayed in a particular part of the county by looking at where the parishes were in relation to each other.
11:27:53 From Betty-Lu Burton : I still have several printouts from the IGI microfiche
11:27:58 From Hilary Gadsby : Some of the transcriptions have occupation of the father.
11:28:07 From Randy Seaver : Our Chula Vista library had a whole collection of IGI in the early 1990s on microfiche out in public until some fiche were stolen so they hid it in a locked room and nobody knew we had it.
11:28:31 From grahamwalter : can’t find the mic!!
11:29:20 From grahamwalter : I do but can’t find the box it’s in!
11:29:26 From Geoffrey Cooker : Thank you for an interesting discussion!
11:29:30 From Kathleen Daetsch : Thank you for answering my question.
11:30:01 From Pamela Wells : Thank you all for the wonderful presentations!
11:30:14 From Cousin Russ : NATIONAL ARCHIVES (US) Virtual Genealogy Fair
11:31:11 From Pamela Wells : Zoom is terrific!
11:31:11 From Kathleen Daetsch : I think it is wonderful
11:31:25 From grahamwalter : have a good day everyone
11:32:01 From Devon Lee : I did want to try the mic and video if possible
11:32:41 From Rachel Evans : I will have to eventually dig my mic out of a box somewhere
11:32:58 From grahamwalter : no direct connections to the hotels
11:34:28 From grahamwalter : can you hire a motability scooter?
11:35:15 From Deb Andrew : You sound like me. When I leave the house I take the stick as well.
11:35:29 From grahamwalter : NEC website- motability scooters for hire
11:35:32 From grahamwalter :
11:35:50 From grahamwalter : yep
11:35:59 From grahamwalter : scroll down
11:36:12 From grahamwalter : i’m looking 🙂
11:44:34 From Deb Andrew : You go girl!
11:50:23 From grahamwalter : Catch you next time

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Announcing: Valerie & Myrt’s Excellent Genealogy Adventures

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Valerie Elkins & DearMYRTLE announce a joint venture


Valerie & Myrt’s Excellent Genealogy Adventures debuts today

Colorado Springs, CO, Oct 19, 2018 — In anticipation THE Genealogy Show in Birmingham, England, US-based professional researcher and presenter Valerie Elkins joins blogger and webinar host Pat Richley-Erickson, “Myrt” of, to announce a new partnership.

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IMAGE: Valerie Elkins (left) & Pat Richley-Erickson, better known as DearMYRTLE.

“Why not make this trip to the UK, a most excellent genealogy adventure? Every genealogist hopes to travel to ancestral homelands. Throw in a genealogy conference and that’s a family historian’s dream come true,” says Valerie.

Myrt suggests sharing travel adventures may assist others also taking their first trip to the UK. “It’s about sharing the process of getting passports, deciding what to pack, figuring out where to stay, dealing with foreign currency and such. Valerie and Myrt’s Excellent Genealogy Adventures will chronicle networking with colleagues gathering from throughout the world, sharing the latest in DNA research and ideas for improving family history research skills.”

THE Genealogy show will be held at the NEC (The National Exhibit Centre) in Birmingham, England, 7-8 June 2019. Valerie will be presenting two classes. Myrt is a conference board member and will be taping AmbushCAM interviews.

Valerie and Myrt are scheduling visits to ancestral homelands before and after the conference, including stops in elsewhere in England, Scotland, Ireland and Norway. “We want to scope out the places where our ancestors once lived – get the lay of the land, that sort of thing. Thanks to modern technology, we’ve got top quality recording equipment in our hands and plan to do a lot of short-subject YouTube videos,” says Valerie.

Valerie and Myrt’s Excellent Genealogy Adventures
The internet-based partnership features a blog Valerie and Myrt’s Excellent Genealogy Adventures; a YouTube Channel; a Facebook Page; and a collection of Pinterest boards at On Twitter and Instagram, follow them using #valeriemyrt .

THE Genealogy Show
Featuring a lineup of internationally recognized genealogy speakers, DNA research specialists and an exhibit hall where attendees can tour genealogy websites and try out the latest family history software, the conference is the brainchild of Kirsty Gray, Managing Director of Family Wise Ltd, who offer family history and people tracing research services around the globe. Find out more at .