ARCHIVED: Mondays with Myrt 19 Nov 2018


Biggest breakthroughs today? Persistent problems with AMTs and everyone teaches Ol’ Myrt here a thing or two about switching from .pdf to .png.

  • Problems with the newly indexed Ancestry Member Trees. This is particularly vexing. MyHeritage manages to index trees daily. Why does it take months for Ancestry to accomplish this? And why does Ancestry only point to trees that have an image attached? This problem has gone on for over two years. We’re not evening mentioning the problems with links to indexed images returning a 404 error at least 50% of the time, regardless of end user operating system or web browser.
  • DAR & SAR – honoring Revolutionary War ancestors.
  • – overcoming the “save as a .pdf” by choosing “print” then changing from your printer to your photo editing software of choice.
  • Grandparent books
  • Genealogy Do-Over
  • 1939 Register (England & Wales) and why lines are redacted.
  • RootsTech 2019 (SLC), RootsTech 2019 (London) and #notatRootsTech





09:54:25 From Dave Robison to All panelists : Genealogy Bargains
09:54:40 From Pat Kuhn :
10:00:40 From Hilary Gadsby : I have also been watching the videos today as I want to use the source writer in Legacy 9
10:01:04 From Deb Andrew : Good morning.
10:02:02 From Lisa Gorrell : Good morning from smoky No. California. Working hard fighting a cold.
10:02:20 From grahamwalter : Hello everyone from London(ish)
10:02:44 From grahamwalter : cool
10:03:24 From Barbara Gressel : Good morning from Springfield, MO
10:03:58 From Pamela Wells to All panelists : Good morning from St Pete, FL
10:04:24 From Betty-Lu Burton : Hello from Arkansas
10:04:52 From Robbin Smith : Hello from Miami
10:08:26 From Deb Andrew to All panelists : Old Alabama Family Photos Facebook group
10:09:57 From Susan Ennis : Glad to be here with everyone!
10:17:20 From Marian Koalski : A penmanship award for SPEED! And that’s a pretty fabulous speed — faster than any typist I’ve heard of.
10:17:57 From Yvonne Demoskoff : That’s such a great idea for a grandparents book, Myrt!
10:18:08 From Cousin Russ : Blog post about an article from USCGC Halfmoon (WHEC-378) and the Lobster Wars
10:18:50 From Randy Seaver : That’s 4 words a second. How in the world? A Shorthand system? Readable?
10:20:17 From Randy Seaver : I’m lucky to write two letters a second, or type 4 letters a second.
10:20:21 From Marian Koalski : Some of my high school classmates took a Speed Writing class, which was a mixture of shorthand and abbreviations, I understand.
10:22:38 From Randy Seaver : Newspaper research is often the key to a breakthrough for family members. It’s why I do my weekly “Seavers in the News” posts on Thursdays.
10:23:16 From Mary Lou Gravatt : I found an article that my father-in-law found a ring when he was 12 years old and returned to the owners and received an award.
10:23:28 From Bill West : Good afternoon from overcast Massachusetts
10:23:38 From Lisa Gorrell : I love searching in newspapers. I wrote a blog post this past weekend about my great uncle, who I couldn’t find until I used his nickname “Toofer.”
10:23:41 From Deb Andrew : If you know the name of the newspapers for the area, you can choose those newspapers to search first.
10:24:45 From Deb Andrew : Yes
10:24:59 From Robbin Smith : many times i have seen the xx years ago
10:25:29 From Marian Koalski : Yes! A 1966 “looking backward” item about a great-uncle’s funeral in 1936 in another state was VERY helpful.
10:27:56 From Mary Lou Gravatt : Another article was about an accident that my grandfather had with his farm wagon and a bus in 1919. He was seriously injured my mom and aunt mentioned the accident they were not born yet. His injuries included broken leg and a fractured skull. I doubt that Mom and her sister knew the extent of his injuries.
10:29:22 From Lisa Gorrell : The problem with this, if the article is long, the print is really small.
10:29:46 From Deb Andrew : 19th November my anniversary. [HAPPY ANNIVERSARY DEB!]
10:29:57 From Deb Andrew : You can save it as a jpg.
10:30:27 From Randy Seaver : I use the Windows Snipping Tool to turn the PDF into a JPG so I can put it in a blog post.
10:31:17 From Randy Seaver : Lisa, sometimes I make 2 or 3 separate images so that the print is readable.
10:32:45 From Betty-Lu Burton : Hi Graham. I can see you
10:33:17 From Deb Andrew : If someone clicks on the source citation, it will take them to the article.
10:33:35 From Susan Ennis : I found out about my 2x great grandfather’s two patents (circa 1878) from newspaper articles!
10:33:40 From Graham Walter : Thanks Betty
10:34:47 From Marcia Philbrick : Shirley Player – fact question — Was this a miscellaneous fact in Roots Magic? [ No, Marcia, this was merely a search for the surname “Player” at]
10:35:10 From Betty-Lu Burton : We need to remember that in newspapers our ancestors names can be found many ways: nicknames, initials, child of, (or any relative of).
10:35:45 From Marian Koalski : And misspelled names, speaking from personal experience.
10:36:11 From Mary Lou Gravatt : I save as JPG to Ancestry then copy that as JPG to my computer. Also save as PDF to the computer.
10:37:52 From Betsey Cotter : Hit destination then select pdf
10:38:12 From Marcia Philbrick : If you use print/save and do a selection, it then gives you a choice of jpeg or pdf
10:38:59 From Marcia Philbrick : I have the option under Chrome
10:39:21 From Susan Ennis : Using Print/Save gives the options to SAVE as jpeg or pdf as contrasted to using the Clip feature. Works for me in these browsers: Firefox, Safari, and Chrome in my experience.
10:40:59 From Randy Seaver : Marcia’s tip is correct – Print/Save gets you to a “Save as JPG”
10:41:12 From Lisa Gorrell : I use Chrome. When I use Print/Save, I choose whole page, then I have two choices save as JPG and save as PDF. I save as PDF for whole page and then save as JPG for clipping.
10:41:25 From Marcia Philbrick : I’m using Chrome
10:41:54 From Marcia Philbrick : Is there a way to save Ancestry media as JPEG without having to save to the person first? [Yes, merely click Share>Print.]
10:44:12 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : welcome back Graham.
10:44:55 From Kathleen Daetsch : Since my family is from New York I use Fulton Press. I have found a great deal of information the Obituaries are a valuable resource in connecting family members.

10:45 :34 From Randy Seaver : Ancestry searches, specifically Ancestry Member Trees. See my blog post from last week is

My opinion is that should index every person in every tree whether they have “Ancestry Sources” or not,  so that their customers can find information about their ancestors that other researchers have found.  Yes, I understand it’s a big computer challenge – but they’re a big company with many servers, and charge customers money to search all of their databases.  This is more BAD NEWS!

10:47:03 From Marcia Philbrick : My ‘test’ search used to produce 24 trees. Now, with the same search, I’m only getting about 3 trees. Those three trees change depending on how I structure the search.
10:47:18 From Marian Koalski : This failure in searching Ancestry Member Trees must cost DNA testers a LOT of useful contacts!
10:47:43 From Bill West : I agree, Randy!
10:48:01 From Marcia Philbrick : Yes, Marian! I do believe it is affecting DNA screens — shared ancestor hints and circles.
10:48:53 From Maria Tegtmeier : I conquer with Randy’s French
10:49:13 From Marcia Philbrick : My mom’s DNA test has more shaky leaf hints than I do. (about twice as many)
10:51:48 From Marian Koalski : A lot of tree contributors don’t do DNA testing. Won’t those be missed in Circles, etc., if the Member Tree doesn’t have an Ancestry source.
10:53:11 From Marcia Philbrick : There is a lot of collaboration opportunities that are lost when individuals or trees aren’t included in the indexing
10:53:53 From Bill West : IMHO, they are so focused on he DNA tests they are neglecting the family tree website
10:54:26 From Graham Walter : Good point Bill – certainly seems that way
10:54:39 From Marian Koalski : I’m about to non-renew my Ancestry subscription. Maybe I’ll mention the failing tree searches and the lack of new collections as reasons.
10:56:39 From Doris Haskell : JPEG
10:56:54 From Pamela Wells : jpeg
10:56:57 From Kathleen Daetsch : jpeg
10:57:43 From Cheryl : What is a PNG? How is it different from a TIFF? [ Ol’ Myrt Googled your question and found a multitude of great responses.]10:58:42 From Pamela Wells to All panelists : PNG format is a lossless compression file format, which makes it a common choice for use on the Web. PNG is a good choice for storing line drawings, text, and iconic graphics at a small file size. JPG format is a lossy compressed file format. This makes it useful for storing photographs at a smaller size than a BMP.
10:58:54 From Lisa Gorrell : I like that the date and page comes up first when saving. That’s how I start all of my images, then the name of the newspaper, and then the person of interest.
10:59:10 From Graham Walter : PNG – interpretation –,id=whypng
10:59:16 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : I always put them in a folder called ged docs and then I will put them in the proper folder later most of the time they never get out of the ged docs folder LOL
10:59:19 From bjanvier to All panelists : Is Snag It a free proram? Different than the clipping tool with MS Windows 10, right?
10:59:21 From Joanne Parkes : When I clip a newspaper article, I simultaneously transcribe the article and then save the clipping as source in RootsMagic using a copy the source title & the name of the person & save in their folder
10:59:53 From Joanne Parkes : Save as jpeg.
11:01:05 From Joanne Parkes : Use Macintosh Powerbook & the new version of IOW has a built in clipper called Screenshot
11:01:24 From Cousin Russ :DearMYRTLE uses Snagit from
11:01:40 From Dave Robison to All panelists : Docent duty calls! I’ll see you next week.
11:01:51 From Marian Koalski : Macs also have a clipper called Grab among the standard applications that come with it.

11:03:20 From Cousin Russ : Sons of the American Revolution

11:04:09 From Cousin Russ : Daughters of the American Revolution
11:04:54 From DearMYRTLE . : Thank-you, Marian. 🙂
11:07:12 From Marian Koalski : Good work, Dave! Revitalizing your SAR chapter as well as your local gen Soc.
11:08:36 From Marian Koalski : DAR for me
11:08:37 From Robbin Smith : my people haven’t been here long enough
11:08:55 From bjanvier : I would like to contact Dave Robinson. Does he have a blog or email I could use? [NOTE: You’ll find Dave Robison on Facebook here: ]
11:08:56 From Randy Seaver : I’ve lost my round tuit button for SAR and GSMD. I want to do those, but haven’t done it.
11:09:01 From Mary Buchholz t : I belong to DAR – with 2 Patriots and help in the application process for others.
11:09:05 From Sue Tolbert  : Yes DAR. Serving as Chapter Registrar is a great learning experience.
11:09:08 From Marcia Philbrick : My great-grandmother was in DAR. I joined on her application — but her patriot is in question. I had to go back a generation to join on his father.
11:09:18 From DearMYRTLE . : RootsTech 2019 SLC
11:09:20 From Crystal Toenjes : I’m turning in my DAR paperwork after Thanksgiving…FINALLY! Also working on my paperwork for ADEAW. (Associated Daughters of Early American Witches.)
11:09:54 From Marian Koalski : Sometimes you’ll find lineage societies for families who came later than the Revolution, like Pioneers of Franklin County, Iowa (made-up name).
11:11:49 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : Yes I am!!
11:12:04 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : And I am registered and have my room reserved.
11:12:59 From Doris Haskell : I don’t ever want to stop being a Temple and Family History Consultant.
11:13:54 From Marcia Philbrick : #notatRootsTech is GREAT!
11:14:52 From Betty-Lu Burton : Hillary it sounds like you will be busy next year
11:15:04 From Graham Walter :
11:17:27 From Marian Koalski : More real wool!
11:19:11 From Marian Koalski : Hallelujah, John Laws! That is civilization!
11:20:29 From Randy Seaver : It’s always a challenge for this California kid. Snow is great, but ice is treacherous. It rained one year and had to walk from Marriott to Radisson pushing Linda’s wheelchair into the 40 mph wind and driving rain. Plus, going north is slightly uphill. Whew, tiring pushing the chair.

Legacy 9 Census

11:20:39 From DearMYRTLE . : Legacy Family Tree (software)
11:20:48 From Hilary Gadsby to Betty-Lu Burton and all panelists : I certainly will but I should be retiring the following year so work will not be getting in the way
11:21:29 From Deb Andrew to All panelists : I think it is under the timeline, special properties.
11:21:34 From Marian Koalski : Yes, Geoff Rasmussen’s teaching style is better than so many I’ve seen. He paces it so you can see where he’s clicking before he moves on, and he explains why he chooses one option over another.
11:21:44 From Betty-Lu Burton : Send Geoff a e-mail asking for a short webinar on the subject
11:22:34 From Deb Andrew to All panelists : The have the training videos you can buy.
11:22:37 From Hilary Gadsby : I have been watching the webinars today
11:22:53 From Bill West : I use the On This Date and Calendar functions in RM to post a daily family history post on FB
11:23:02 From Hilary Gadsby : for Legacy 9
11:23:10 From Deb Andrew to All panelists : You can always asked me.
11:23:25 From Jim Everhart : there is a step by step Legacy 9 series , 7 parts done already with 2 more to go

11:23:56 From Deb Andrew : I did that one, it was fun!

11:24:21 From Cousin Russ : University of Strathclyde
11:25:17 From Hilary Gadsby : I have done the 6 week course and may do the post grad course when I retire. I know someone who is doing the postgrad course

11:26:37 From Cousin Russ : Genealogy Do-Over Book
11:27:59 From Hilary Gadsby : I am trying to improve what I uploaded to WikiTree 7 years ago but am easily sidetracked
11:28:01 From Randy Seaver : Surreptitious Name changes explain a lot too.
11:28:44 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : I call them drop ins, they just fell from the sky.
11:29:03 From Randy Seaver : Interesting article today on Legacy Tree Genealogists blog about name changes
11:29:26 From Cousin Russ : Genealogy Do-Over Book 
11:29:40 From Cousin Russ : Old Alabama Family Photos Facebook group

11:34:24 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : I have a Ulster County New York Group, I have a great deal of my relations up there.
11:35:16 From Hilary Gadsby : Local groups are great place to find old photographs I belong to at least 1 for my home city.
11:37:07 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : yes
11:37:22 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : that is the group
11:38:09 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : I also have two family groups on facebook
11:39:08 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : one is my Family in Ireland and England my grandmothers family
11:39:24 From Cousin Russ : If you are have genealogy methodogy, technology or research questions, be sure to consult Katherine R. Willson’s Genealogy on Facebook listing of over 12,300+ groups and pages:
11:39:50 From Doris Haskell : Thanks, everyone, for yet another Magnificent Mondays with Myrt
11:41:40 From DearMYRTLE : This is the link to Cousin Russ’ ingenious “The Organized Genealogist File Listing Directory”
11:41:52 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : Is Lawlor the same name
11:45:56 From Graham Walter : Leila Davis born 1907
11:47:06 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : I do that too
11:55:13 From Gordon Erickson to All panelists : Regarding the “cat” I didn’t say yes, I was outvoted. 🙂

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ARCHIVED: WACKY Wednesday – Involving Kids in Genealogy

Kids _Genealogy

In which we share ideas for helping the younger generations learn about their family history.



19:02:38 From Deb Andrew to All panelists : Good evening.
19:04:00 From Cousin Russ : Valerie Elkin’s Pinterest board.

19:05:40 From Cousin Russ : The Family History Guide

19:23:29 From Cousin Russ : Deb Andrew recommends Family Cookbook Project
19:28:54 From Betty-Lu Burton : You can add various historical events that they would be interested in.
19:30:37 From Betty-Lu Burton : Also when did man first alked on the moon, when was the first personal computer sold, when did Disneyland open to the public
19:34:12 From My True Roots : That’s probably going to be Janellie and Everly. 1st Cousins. Their age difference makes Janellie always in a teaching role.
19:44:07 From Betty-Lu Burton : When my kids came home and asked where did our family come from I always said colonial America, because most came over in the 1600’s and early 1700’s and most of the European borders were not set.


19:47:01 From Cousin Russ : Cyndi’s List – Kids, Teens & The Next Generation

19:49:01 From Cousin Russ : Devon Ashby’s webinar “Family History for Kids”

Zap the Grandma Gap
19:52:28 From Cousin Russ : Janet Hovarka’s Zap the Grandma Gap activity book series

Growing Little Leaves
19:53:18 From Cousin Russ : Emily Kowalski Schroeder’s Growing Little Leaves

20:00:23 From Cousin Russ : Scouting Merit Badge
20:03:45 From Betty-Lu Burton : True enjoy the new baby and spoil her rotten.

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AmericaGen Study Group: Chapter 13 Vital Records

AmericaGen Study Group

The AmericaGen Study Group – Chapter 13 “Vital Records” from Val Greenwood’s The Researchers Guide to American Genealogy, 2017 (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company.)

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Note: All panelists were invited ro read the chapter and then write about how that chapter relates to their personal research habits. AmericaGEN Study Group Chapter 13 Combined Homework:



00:32:56 Cousin Russ: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 Chapter 13 Vital Records
00:33:36 Cousin Russ:
00:34:10 Cousin Russ: SYLLABUS Researchers Guide to American Genealogy 4th Edition by Val D. Greenwood, 2017 (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co.) Available in paperback
00:35:05 Marceline Beem: Hello everyone!
00:38:25 Sheri Fenley: Good morning from smoky Stockton, California!
00:39:49 Sheri Fenley: Good to know, Thanks Myrt!
00:43:15 Molly McKinley: 2 of my paternal grandmother’s marriages have no proof of ending. Arkansas did not start keeping those records until 1914. My cousin told me they used to agree to separate and call it quits, then remarry if desired.
00:52:38 Molly McKinley: Burial permits are available for some places also. They include where they died and sometimes what they died of, what funeral home asked for the body and where they are buried.
00:53:03 Lisa Gorrell: Great suggestion, Molly!
00:55:10 Lisa Gorrell: I love delayed birth records–full of great info to help prove the birth.
00:56:47 Lisa Gorrell: From my grandfather’s, I found out there was a bible record that I then searched for in the family.
00:57:03 Danine Cozzens: I’m somewhat relieved to know neither Arkansas nor SC had divorce records, as I’ve never been able to find one for my g-g-gf who was a lawyer born in SC, and practicing in Arkansas. Claimed first wife died when she outlived him and all but one of their 10 children.
01:08:34 Molly McKinley: When my mother died, the hospice nurse declared her dead. Then the funeral director came for the body. No police at all.
01:08:38 DearMYRTLE .: That didn’t happen with the police with the death of my father and my step-mother. Hospice handled everything. The only people coming in were the funeral home people.
01:09:05 Hilary Gadsby: In England and Wales it depends on whether they have been seen by a doctor recently as to who can sign the documents.
01:10:42 DearMYRTLE .: That didn’t happen with the police with the death of my father and my step-mother. Hospice handled everything. The only people coming in were the funeral home people.
01:11:47 XT1710-02: when my stepmother passed, sheriff came in and had to get search warrant because she had been dead for a few days.
01:23:57 cyndy Bray: Check the Stanislaus county genealogical society website for burial information
01:28:50 Lisa Gorrell: Manuscript collections can be donated by a family where they live now.
01:31:59 cyndy Bray: I think Stanislaus has coroners reports online

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Memories of Grandma Myrtle’s Kitchen

Our paternal grandmother Myrtle Eliza (Weiser) Player Severinson was quite the cook. She “put up” food every summer and fall to last till the next year. I remember her bare dirt floor basement in the cottage on 2nd in Puyallup. Jars of jams, jellies mustard pickles, corn relish, sweet gherkins and watermelon pickles were arranged in neat rows on shelves near the bottom of the stairs.

In the 1950s, Grandma’s gardens were filled mostly ornamentals like dahlias, so she bought quarts and bushels of fruits and vegetables from the local farm stand. It was owned by Hazel and Al Duris at 6012 Riverside Road, Puyallup, Washington. I know this because I shopped with her, and Grandma’s mustard pickle recipe was published in a small 3×5 inch Duris farm stand booklet that has somehow survived through the years and is now in my possession. (1)

Blackberries and raspberries used to grow wild in those days, so I imagine she picked those much as I did 20 years later when stocking my own shelves for the winter.

On the Sundays we’d visit, she’d serve tender fried chicken with mounds of mashed potatoes and a side of carrots sweetened with a light glaze of buttery brown sugar.

In the last month of Dad’s life he asked the local crepe restaurant cook to add the carrots to her menu. I provided Grandma Myrtle’s recipe and the proprietor surprised dad the next time we visited.

My favorite was Grandma Myrtle’s apricot preserves and I longed for her secret recipe. Before she passed away in 1972 from Lou Gehrig’s disease, she sent a short letter admitting it wasn’t a secret after all. The recipe is easily found on the back of the Certo label. (Certo liquid pectin is used to thicken the fruit for jam or jelly.) 💕

(1) See “Food Traditions & Gramma Myrtle” posted 16 Sept 2010 in DearMYRTLE’s Genealogy Blog. ( : viewed 16 Nov 2018.) Grandma’s

This Beautiful World

beautiful world

Today I’m thankful for drives up the canyon, boating the San Juan Islands, the intriguing hoodoos of Bryce Canyon, the majesty of the Austrian Alps, blue waters of Lake Louise, the autumn leaves in the Shenandoahs, the powdery sand of Anna Maria Island, Crown Jewels of Denmark, the mysterious bayous of Louisiana, the incredible Northern Lights, that onion domed St. Petersburg church, fishing for red snapper under the Sunshine Skyway Bridge, stalwart first-growth redwoods, midshipmen’s white sails on the Chesapeake, the cheerful sunflower fields in Kansas, foggy mornings on Puget Sound, castles on the Rhine, ocean views of the Pacific Coast Highway, ancient petroglyphs in the desert southwest, Old Faithful, the Lurray Caverns, wild antelope grazing the northern plains, the mighty Mississippi, the lights on Broadway, and not so much the horse flies at Calgary.

Whether man-made or Mother Nature’s wonders, these are a few of my favorite things.