After a 2-week hiatus, the gang is back. We spent a lot of time discussing and then demonstrating a fresh install of Tony Proctor’s new program for cataloging image and document files  under multiple categories. Fascinating. Much easier than using Evernote to accomplish the same task. A special shout-out to Gary Gauthier for working on the Mac version of this open source program.

We also discussed Ancestry’s problem outgrowing 32bit architecture and the feedback Randy Seaver received among 17,000 hits on one blog post.

Look below for the link to upcoming Black Family History Month activities at Black ProGen LIVE! (Thanks True Lewis.)



09:57:39 From John Laws : Hin Everyone from bonnie Scotland
10:00:37 From Graham Walter : Hello everyone from London
10:01:04 From Devon Noel Lee to All panelists : Howdy from Texas
10:02:00 From Lisa Hollon : Hi Everyone, from Ohio!
10:02:18 From Michelle Minner to All panelists : Hi everyone from warm(er) Arizona
10:02:36 From Sheryl Zeringue to All panelists : Hello from South Louisiana.
10:03:44 From Launa Droescher : my computer took over 2 hrs for updates. took out Dropbox and Evernote
10:03:47 From Devon Noel Lee : My big project is finish editing my RootsTech Film Fest video that due mid-week
10:04:11 From Michelle Minner to All panelists : CHEWBACCA? I already like Graham! woo hoo!
10:04:25 From nadine Guilbault to All panelists : Hi everyone from snowy Wisconsin.
10:05:00 From Graham Walter : Thanks Michelle!!
10:05:14 From Bill West to All panelists : Good morning from sunny Massachusetts!
10:06:19 From Hilary Gadsby to All panelists : I had a Were Related match to you Pat whilst you were at SLIG
10:06:46 From Hilary Gadsby to All panelists : I mean DearMYRTLE Pat
10:08:08 From Janine Edmée Hakim : Good chilly morning from Chenango County NY to everyone….These web “gatherings” are what makes Mondays special and looked forward to….
10:08:12 From Jackie Chalmers : Hello everyone – glad to be here after long absence!
10:08:19 From Barbara Gressel to All panelists : I’ve met a new Y-DNA match to my cousin in Australia. We have been working together to try to find our common ancestor!

10:09:29 From Renate Sanders as guest to All panelists : Hello everyone from Newport News, VA! I’m a bit under the weather today. Hope to be back on the panel, soon!
10:09:51 From Shelby Bender to All panelists : Greetings from Sunny Florida…so happy the rain of yesterday is HISTORY!
10:11:07 From Graham Walter : careful!!!
10:11:09 From Graham Walter : 🙂
10:11:59 From Gary Gauthier to All panelists : Gary Gauthier here. I’ve had the pleasure of collaborating with Tony and have a working version of the program, but on a Mac
10:12:53 From DearMYRTLE . to Gary Gauthier and all panelists : HELLO gARY! 🙂
10:22:52 From Marian Koalski : Are Russ, Myrt, and Shelly sharing a set of buddy files?
10:24:12 From DearMYRTLE . : I hope so, Marian… we are having to do it manually before looking at Tony’s software.
10:24:27 From Cousin Russ : We have been sharing our research. All 3 of us have a member of the family in the same document. Most of the time, it’s two of us on the same page
10:24:47 From Graham Walter : steganography
10:24:59 From Cousin Russ : This tool well let us use the Buddy File, when we understand how it works
10:25:03 From Hilary Gadsby to All panelists : Family groups often have people with different surnames especially when taken at weddings these files work really well and the file does not need to have a name change from the original
10:25:10 From Gary Gauthier to All panelists : I am using my Mac version for all those notes I used to write on the back of the paper document.
10:26:54 From Graham Walter : Sounds like a good idea Gary
10:27:28 From Gary Gauthier to All panelists : Graham: I works very nicely with Spotlight.
10:27:41 From Graham Walter : Nice!
10:30:49 From Michelle Minner : WOW, I need this software for my media collections! I can’t believe how many pieces of media and documents are related to several different places, people, families, etc. Cross indexing is impossible manually
10:33:01 From Marian Koalski : I’ve been using the source definition fields in my genealogy database (Reunion) to link all the people mentioned in a source to the text, image(s), and others that constitute the source
10:33:22 From Pamela Wells : Awesome!
10:33:49 From Sharon Morrissey : This is great! I’ve been trying to use Evernote tags to keep track of my files in the same way… But to have this as part of the file document is wonderful!
10:34:15 From June Butka : I will need to rewatch this to learn a great tool.
10:34:28 From Hilary Gadsby to All panelists : Being able to search your whole computer or just a drive would be useful
10:34:53 From Hilary Gadsby : Being able to search your whole computer or just a drive would be useful
10:35:27 From Denise Coughlin : Can’t wait to see the replay since I missed the first half!!
10:36:00 From Hilary Gadsby : I like that I do not have to rename files I have downloaded as I add information to the accompanying file
10:36:04 From Valerie Lisk : I’ve been using the Share feature in RM.
10:38:36 From Maria Tegtmeier : It inspires me to be more organized. Goes along with New Year’s resolutions.
10:39:02 From Gary Gauthier to All panelists : This approach is very useful for files that don’t support metadata in a classical way. e.g. .eml files
10:41:49 From Cousin Russ : LINK TO TONY’S POST:
10:42:43 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : metaproxy
10:42:49 From Cousin Russ : metaproxy
10:43:36 From Michelle Minner : I saw you click DISCARD as a choice
10:47:14 From Graham Walter : right-click the file icon
10:49:38 From Graham Walter : I think your meta file has a ‘.txt’ at the end
10:51:25 From Linda Jordan to All panelists : I can’t open the executable — any suggestions, maybe my security program?
10:51:43 From Michelle Minner : All you have to do is shortcut menu RENAME to get rid fo the .txt
10:51:55 From June Butka : I would probably have the same problem.
10:52:23 From Graham Walter : I can walk you through it if you want
10:52:25 From Michelle Minner : Use the shortcut menu (right mouse click on the name of the text file)
10:53:59 From Gary Gauthier to All panelists : You could have clicked the box in the header, too
10:55:56 From Randy Seaver : but on another computer with the same files you would have to do the same process, right?
10:56:03 From June Butka : How does that affect downloading photos from your Iphone?
10:57:06 From Graham Walter : it might be possible to create a powershell script to do the file association…
10:58:23 From June Butka : My photos go to a photo file on my external drive by date
10:58:43 From Graham Walter to Gary Gauthier and all panelists : Gary: do you have an equivalent of the exe in a .app for the MAc?
10:59:27 From Cousin Russ : June — true, but this has to be done AFTER the download and each file would have this on top of or in addition to that downloaded file
10:59:40 From June Butka : Thank you, Russ.
11:00:09 From Brenda J. Williams to All panelists : I had to step away in the middle of the demo. How can I view the recording later?
11:00:25 From Cousin Russ : Yes, it will be viewed later
11:00:40 From Randy Seaver : If I copy a photo file to Dropbox or a flash drive, will the associated .meta file be copied too?
11:00:47 From Tony Proctor to All panelists : Gary, do you have something to demonstrate?
11:00:56 From Randy Seaver : Or if I email the photo to someone as an attachment?
11:01:14 From Cousin Russ : DearMYRTLE’s YouTube Channel:
11:01:50 From Gary Gauthier to All panelists : Graham: Yes. Note that the Mac version also has to be configured due to Mojave security features. IAs this is proof of concept quality, I am still tweaking it to make it look pretty.
11:01:53 From Tony Proctor to All panelists : At the moment, you would have to attach the buddy file manually if sharing by email or dropbox
11:02:41 From Graham Walter to Gary Gauthier and all panelists : Gary: OK. If you want an additional beta tester… 🙂
11:04:16 From Gary Gauthier to All panelists : Happy to share. The code is all AppleScript. What is the best way to do this?
11:04:25 From Michelle Minner : I was thinking about using my FTM media file folder to load the program and the meta files…because I keep all my media files in that folder.
11:05:15 From Graham Walter : or search for *.meta
11:06:30 From Graham Walter to Gary Gauthier and all panelists : Gary: dropbox (if you have it) or email?
11:08:00 From Pat Kuhn to Gary Gauthier and all panelists : Gary, I am also on a MAC
11:09:30 From Gary Gauthier to All panelists : Let me think of how to securely pass you an email. Not sure this is the place to do this.
11:09:47 From Graham Walter : Gary: fair enough
11:10:24 From Pat Kuhn to Gary Gauthier and all panelists : could we message on facebook?
11:10:48 From Graham Walter : Pat: good idea…
11:12:09 From Gary Gauthier to All panelists : No problem
11:12:34 From Pat Kuhn to Gary Gauthier and all panelists : I am Pat O’Donnell Kuhn on FB if you would like to find me
11:13:26 From Marcia Philbrick : Thanks Tony for all of your work and your willingness to share! Thanks Hilary for your comments about embedding transcriptions! This is a great idea – and be worth the time to implement.
11:13:38 From Graham Walter : And I am\
11:13:45 From John Laws to All panelists : sorry russ & Pat & Tony This lost me way back and put me to sleep but if we gonna talk genealogy you got my attention
11:14:11 From Graham Walter : Great discussion / demonstration
11:14:57 From Tony Proctor to All panelists : That’s a shame, John. Maybe just look at what happens when I click on one of those buddy files — that’s all you need to watch 😉
11:15:00 From Shelby Bender to All panelists : Edited the Florida State Genealogical Society’s Florida Genealogist Journal…emailed out on Saturday.
11:15:12 From DearMYRTLE . : THANK YOU Everyone! 🙂
11:16:27 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : I have been filling in and fixing sources.
11:16:43 From Dave Robison : Organizing: Other than original documents, I’ve been shredding everything. If I felt that I needed it, I scanned then filed it. Everything else is gone. Initial results? I’ve found things that had been misplaced, misfiled and simply missing.
11:17:22 From Yvonne Demoskoff : I made a start on my genealogy disaster plan (risks, priorities, digitizing plan).
11:17:53 From Valerie Lisk : I have two ancestors who were in the USCT. I wrote a brief bio on each for our Daughters of the Union Veterans of the Civil War, first ever, Black History Celebration.
11:18:12 From Linda Stufflebean : Happy birthday, Pat. 🙂
11:18:26 From Cousin Russ : Post on Ancestry Member Trees –
11:18:36 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : I thought of doing that Dave but it’s to scarry. LOL
11:20:18 From Valerie Lisk : There should be a way to have members delete duplicate trees.
11:20:18 From Graham Walter :
11:20:58 From Tami Crandall to All panelists : if we all deleted our old trees that are out of date maybe the system would work.
11:21:37 From Pamela Wells : Happy birthday, Pat!
11:22:12 From Doris Haskell : I registered for two college classes. Creative Writing. Computer Information Systems
11:22:21 From John Laws to All panelists : Well done Randy!
11:23:37 From Pamela Wells : Russ, I totally agree! I’ve been deleting some of mine along the way, also!
11:23:52 From Tony Proctor to All panelists : I have a couple of experiences of trying to contact Ancestry in a professional context — these were woeful and seem to indicate that they don’t have a department/group interested in bi-directional communication
11:23:59 From Shelby Bender to All panelists : Enjoyed the webinar – have to leave for another meeting. Hope to see you next week.
11:25:05 From John Laws to All panelists : Most organisations keep their staff & customers in the dark, in the military logistics we describe ourselves as mushroom taxi’s kept in the dark.
11:25:33 From Marcia Philbrick : Yes, Cousin Russ and Randy — I believe DNA hints are being affected by the lack of indexing of the trees. After reading the post about the 32 bit indexing, I figured that is also affecting DNA matches. Their pool of matches has to be huge.
11:26:18 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : lets do comments next RUSS. thx
11:27:04 From Graham Walter : May be they (Ancestry) need to do some consumer forums – at RootsTech?…
11:28:58 From John Laws to All panelists : Only good if ideas are taken onboard
11:29:15 From Graham Walter : Very true John
11:30:21 From Dave Robison to All panelists : Heading to a client appointment ($$$) so I’m ducking out until next Monday! Great information today.
11:30:29 From Rebecca Williams : It sounds to me like they are more interested in investor relations than customer relations. Just my opinion.
11:30:39 From John Laws to All panelists : take care dave
11:32:43 From John Laws to All panelists : hi True
11:33:37 From Cousin Russ :Find out about BLACK PROGEN LIVE events for Black History Month (Feb 2019)
11:35:21 From Randy Seaver : My organization fix was to make a spreadsheet for my AncestryDNA matches that are in a Genetic Affairs AutoCluster. I ordered it by cluster number and then by cM in the cluster. Then I added a column for known common ancestors to try to identify the root persons of the cluster. I managed to identify about 15 of the 37 clusters. From this, I know who of my highest matches (above 25 cM shared) are related to me and others in the cluster. It’s very helpful. Blog posts coming on my AutoClusters and the spreadsheet, with probably IDs of the cluster root persons or surnames.
11:35:53 From June Butka : I transcribe any information I find in my research, town histories the unknown people at the end of borth, marriage, death records probate, etc.
11:35:57 From Cheri Hudson Passey to All panelists : Just posted a blog with 90 names of the enslaved in an inventory a distant member of my ancestry.
11:36:22 From June Butka : Birth records
11:37:10 From John Laws to All panelists : I need ALL my LAWS & LAWES family no matter who no matter where no matter where
11:37:20 From Michelle Minner : I matched in DNA with a distant cousin that comes from a slave/slave owner relationship, that I found!
11:38:56 From John Laws to All panelists : I got loads of LAWS in the Caribbean Islands
11:40:00 From True Lewis : Beautiful Cheri this is what is needed! and Hello John Laws!
11:41:02 From Pamela Wells : Great job everyone! Thank you!

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