ARCHIVED: Mondays with Myrt – 18 Feb 2019


Had a blast today discussing the continuing saga of FTDNA changing it’s terms of service, England & Wales GRO (General Record Office) now routinely offering email .PDF of birth (1837-1918) and death records 1837-1957) and how Ancestry creates it’s big tree that is the backbone for the We’re Related App. We also explain why you should follow Evidence Explained on Facebook. Randy Seaver provides the link to RootsTech 2019 SLC handouts for remote attendees. We also give a shout out to Lisa Louise Cooke for 67 items about creating family history videos. And yes, “snake catcher” was a legitimate occupation in the late 1800s, England.



09:59:41 From Graham Walter to All panelists :
09:59:47 From Graham Walter to All panelists : GRO certificates
10:00:36 From Graham Walter : Hello from London everyone
10:01:25 From Linda Stufflebean : Are lunch get togethers planned for Monday in the cafeteria and/or Tuesday at Blue Lemon? [Yes, see: DearMYRTLE’s RootsTech 2019 SLC Plans]

10:02:27 From Hilary Gadsby : Will miss not being in Salt Lake this year
10:02:35 From Gary Gauthier : Good morning everyone.
10:02:38 From Linda Stufflebean : 🙂
10:02:39 From Betty-Lu Burton : Hello
10:03:48 From ERIC COOK to All panelists : Hi all!
10:04:00 From John Laws : Hi Everyone from bonnie Scotland just found a cousin, great grans brothers grandson Wow!
10:04:37 From Graham Walter : I’ll be about
10:04:58 From Monique Riley : Wish I could come to MWM on Monday, but not coming in until Tuesday.
10:05:42 From Cheri Hudson Passey : I’ll see you there!!
10:06:49 From Cheri Hudson Passey : Still home. Fly out on Friday!

10:07:12 From Cousin Russ : Move over Parabon, there’s a new kid in town.
10:08:38 From Betty-Lu Burton : People forget that the same way they solve crime using DNA they also identify people who have died without ID
10:09:28 From Hilary Gadsby to All panelists :
10:10:24 From cyndy Bray : FTDNA promised us privacy, then went back on their promise. Then tried to guilt us into liking the idea
10:10:25 From John Laws : What other secret organisations are these companies sharing our data with, the Russia investigation makes you wonder
10:11:37 From Hilary Gadsby to All panelists :
10:11:39 From Randy Seaver to All panelists : I do want to talk about the Ancestry Big Tree based on my reader shared, plus my own comments, but I’dl ike to briefly mention the RootsTech 2019 handouts being available online for everyone, and my FOREVER box too.
10:13:13 From Graham Walter to All panelists : Blaine post –
10:13:29 From Randi Patrick : Concise
10:13:29 From Randy Seaver : The comments on blaine’s FB post pointed out that the hourly rate was $233 for everything but the tests, and the genealogist gets something like $100. Every company has overhead.
10:14:15 From Marcia Philbrick :
10:14:15 From Graham Walter to All panelists : Sorry – it was the first in the list (in my browser)
10:14:18 From Randy Seaver : $100 an hour is a reasonable rate for a professional genetic genealogist
10:16:10 From Graham Walter to All panelists : Proper Blaine link (
10:16:21 From Graham Walter to All panelists : I hope 🙂
10:17:28 From Randy Seaver : There is an article about CeCe Moore in the Wall Street Journal recently but it’s behind their paywall
10:17:29 From John Laws : Just look what Car dealers charge when you get the car serviced Jaguar charge $200 just to lift the hood without doing any work
10:19:31 From Cousin Russ : GRO certificates
10:21:22 From Randy Seaver : I ordered a birth cert from GRO in 2017 in the trial – see the result in
10:21:28 From Rachel Evans : I ordered a few when they had the trial for husband’s line. It was quick and easy. Glad they are doing it again. I have a few more to get.
10:22:07 From Gary Gauthier to All panelists : Graham; what is the quality of the PDF like? How is the cost relative to the paper copy?
10:22:56 From Hilary Gadsby : The pdf is available to download for 3 months after it is issued
10:23:00 From Monique Riley : I have ordered several PDF’s from the GRO and love this service.
10:23:30 From Dave Robison to All panelists : Do we have Audrey Collins to thank for that???
10:23:44 From Hilary Gadsby : You must save them before this time period expires
10:24:12 From Gary Gauthier to All panelists : The Saskatchewan certificates are, I believe, over $50 CDN
10:24:48 From Randi Patrick : It would be nice to see a side by side of the two documents.
10:24:58 From Hilary Gadsby : No I think someone else may have pushed could have been Guy Etchells
10:25:07 From Doris Haskell : I prefer the actual entry. A death certificate I received had no burial information, which is what I was looking for. I went to the FHL and looked at the image of the original record, and found the burial informaiton.
10:25:33 From Hilary Gadsby : The index is great
10:26:14 From Cousin Russ : Doris — some of the death certificates that I have seen, do have burial information. (US based DC)
10:26:24 From Marian Koalski : John Laws, I’m thinking about the old White Sale (linens).
10:26:36 From Marian Koalski : Ladies fighting over pillowcases
10:27:12 From Cousin Russ : Smokey Mountain Historical Society’s YouTube Channel.
10:28:27 From Hilary Gadsby : Death certificates in UK do not have a lot of relationship information
10:28:54 From Hilary Gadsby : that should be England and Wales
10:29:06 From Randi Patrick : All publicity is good publicity!
10:31:59 From Jim Everhart : We post these for members and prospective members to see, these are open to the public and for people like me who live in another state

10:32:43 From Cousin Russ :
10:33:08 From Robbin Smith : what about animoto?
10:34:17 From Cousin Russ : for podcasting
10:35:17 From Cousin Russ : Lisa Louise Cooke has 67 videos about creating family history videos.
10:36:41 From Cousin Russ : Are you following EVIDENCE EXPLAINED on Facebook? If not you are missing interactive challenges.
10:36:53 From Sally Smith to All panelists : I do
10:37:35 From Joanne Parkes : Really appreciate the Evidence Explained updates!
10:37:56 From Gary Gauthier to All panelists : A lot of the content comes from her website forum. That is, from EE user questions.
10:38:19 From Monique Riley : I follow and appreciate seeing EE on FB because it helps me see posts more often as I don’t go to her website as often.
10:39:02 From Dave Robison to All panelists : When I saw that post, I thought it looked exactly like the handwritten records I see in early 1600’s Springfield, Massachusetts. No surprise, they were all English settlers!
10:39:35 From Randy Seaver : agree with Dave on the handwriting!
10:45:09 From Jim Everhart : As a member bennefit SMHS has a online tree of combined genealogies from members into a unified tree with over 1.1 million names that is searchable TNG database. This has helped us grow our membership as well as preserve these genealogies and the can be updated as the people give us updates.
10:45:57 From Gary Gauthier to All panelists : I’veseen such notes in Canadian records
10:46:55 From Randy Seaver : That’s great, Jim! We have duscussed doing something like that, but getting GEDCOMs from living folks is hard, and from dead folks is impossible. We do have 5 generation charts from lots of former members in books, but the data entry is challenging.
10:46:59 From Cousin Russ : for my WikiTree surprise
10:48:01 From Cousin Russ :
10:48:02 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists :
10:48:12 From Cousin Russ :
10:49:22 From Jim Everhart : We have a PDF form on our FB group page for people who want to give the last 3 generations included in our project we probable have most further back than that
10:50:10 From Randy Seaver : Jim, did you collect GEDCOMs for the project?
10:52:00 From Randy Seaver : Our thought was to put the collected “CVGS Tree” into an Ancestry Member Tree, but a TNG setup is interesting.
10:52:06 From Cousin Russ : Randy – one way that he got data was from PAF
10:52:29 From Cousin Russ : I converted a PAF to FTM2017 for Jim and he put it on TNG
10:52:58 From Randy Seaver : This would be a great project for a county society like Jim’s.
11:03:10 From Monique Riley : Randy, I have to thank you for telling us the trick on how to download the RootsTech handouts on the computer. I have did it this way the past few years. It is much easier to rename them that way.
11:03:27 From Randy Seaver : CVGS collected GEDCOMs from about 15 members 15 years ago and put it in a search page on the website. We get queries every so often. Many of our contributors have passed away now.

11:04:22 From Randy Seaver : The 2019 RootsTech SLC 2019 handouts can be found at
11:07:50 From Randy Seaver : My blogp post about downloading from 2018 is at The same process works for 2019
11:08:21 From Yvonne Demoskoff : Thanks Monique!
11:09:01 From Melissa Barker : Hello Everyone! I am off because of the holiday so had to drop in on Monday’s with Myrt.
11:09:30 From Graham Walter to All panelists : They haven’t yet passed that feature (pre screen sharing bit) to the Mac version
11:11:43 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : thank-you, Randy. I’ll be ready to share the screen for you.
11:12:36 From Shelby Bender : For Pat Kuhn: we have a patron of our historical society whose KUHN family immigrated from Hungary to Pennsylvania in 1904 and 1906. They then later came to Plant City, Florida in 1926/29 after the bank crashed that he owned.
11:12:57 From Dave Robison  : Hi Melissa! The folks at First church are very impressed with the docs I put into the L-sleeves you recommended.
11:13:53 From Melissa Barker : Dave, I am going to talk about your documents and preserving oversized records on Wacky Wednesday, hope you can be there.
11:14:15 From Dave Robison to All panelists : I plan on it unless I’m shoveling snow!!
11:14:32 From John Laws : Found through an Ancestry hint my Great Grandfather apprenticeship to his father a Ship’s Master in 1840 aged 12 for 4 years
11:14:57 From Dave Robison to All panelists : But I’ll email a few of the members especially our Historical Committee to tune in.
11:16:46 From Jim Everhart to All panelists : We have tons of Shultz/Shults in our tree
11:18:53 From John Laws : Just like Ancestry assuming data NOT in the original record – very bad practice.
11:20:23 From Monique Riley : Everyone thank Randy about the RT handout link, he is the one who told us. I was just thanking him 🙂
11:22:44 From Randy Seaver : I have downloaded the handouts for Wednesday and Thursday at RootsTech 2019 now, and need to do the other two days. I made a RootsTech 2019 file folder to put them in.
11:22:58 From Janine Edmée Hakim : Thank you
11:24:08 From Randy Seaver : I probably should be adding obituaries from my Seavers in the News posts to FamilySearch Family Tree profiles as Media and Notes.
11:24:17 From Monique Riley : I only downloaded the handouts I was interested in. I am printing off paper copies for the classes I am interested in attending so I can bring them to RT and take notes right on the paper. I am spiral binding all the handouts.
11:24:21 From Cousin Russ : Randy Seaver’s blog post about my Ancestry insider reader’s comments about the Ancestry Big Tree, and his own comments, is at
11:25:58 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : What about it is in a book so it has to be right
11:29:15 From Joanne Parkes : I could be wrong but I think that Ancestry regularly “talks” to FamilySearch tree — only think this because when I enter a new source in either one, that same source becomes a recommended option in the other one. But no source info for this thought.
11:32:34 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : It is very hard to figure out how your related to a fourth cousin.
11:32:53 From Marcia Philbrick : The ‘Big Tree’ is still merging people of the same name. I’m wondering if there is a way to submit corrections.
11:33:24 From John Laws : RootsMagic has a error finder well worth using regularly
11:33:53 From June Butka : I just found an error from when I first entered that ancestor years ago. My 5th Great grandfather.

11:36:22 From Cousin Russ : The We’re Related App by Kitty Cooper
Ancestry’s Support Page for the We’re Related App
11:36:38 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : I reject it if I am not happy with the documentation my second great grandmother’s line is not proven to my satisfaction
11:37:24 From Hilary Gadsby to All panelists : I had it say I am related to Pat most is correct but not sure about the last one
11:37:32 From Marcia Philbrick : How do you dislike something on We’re Related?
11:38:40 From Graham Walter to All panelists : I’ll be there!!
11:38:43 From Randy Seaver : Marcia, at the bottom of the profile for the We’re Related match person, there is a thumbs up button and a thumbs down button
11:39:17 From Marcia Philbrick : Hush about the snow! When you get some — we have it a couple of days later. We are totally ready to be done with the snow!
11:39:20 From John Laws : Gonna have to bring flask of coffee and Sandwiches
11:40:04 From Randi Patrick : Great job! Thank you.
11:40:40 From Graham Walter : Goodbye everyone – have a great day
11:41:21 From Graham Walter : your muted Jim
11:45:30 From Dave Robison to All panelists : Goodbye everyone and thanks! See you Wednesday.
11:45:37 From Graham Walter : Bye Dave
11:46:54 From Graham Walter : See you next week in SLC

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DearMYRTLE’s RootsTech 2019 SLC Plans

RootsTech_Generic_CroppedThe world’s largest genealogy/technology conference will take place next week at #RootsTech 2019 at the Salt Palace in Salt Lake City, Utah. The conference itself begins Wednesday, 27 Feb and concludes 2 March. Here’s how DearMYRTLE’s week looks at this point.

Monday, 25 Feb 2019 – 10am to Noon. Early arrivals may join Mondays with Myrt in-person as we broadcast from the 3rd floor conference room across from the elevators at the world-famous Family History Library in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah. Others may attend virtually by going to:

Monday, 25 Feb 2019 – 1pm Group lunch at LDS Church Office Building, lower level. Weather permitting, Ol’ Myrt will drive her “electric chair” through Temple Square. Follow along if you’ve never been to the employees’ cafeteria in the lower level of this facility. Wonderful selection of food, great prices.



Tuesday, 26 February 2019 – 1pm Group lunch at the Blue Lemon, 55 West South Temple,Salt Lake City. It’s directly across the street from the south entrance to Temple Square.


findmypast 2017Wednesday, 27 February 2019 – 12pm FindMyPast Panel Participant, Lunch Room 2 at the Salt Palace. We are discussing the FamilySearch-FindMyPast one-of-a-kind online tree. Hosted by Ben Bennett, Managing Director of Family History at FMP.

Most of DearMYRTLE’s time will be spent doing AmbushCAM interviews featuring attendees, vendors, presenters & the like. I’ll be uploading them to DearMYRTLE’s YouTube Channel each night.

AmbushCAM RootsTech

Friday, 1 March 2019 – 12:15pm Promptly. GeneaBloggersTRIBE Photo Op, near the media hub in the exhibit hall. Wear your blogger beads from previous years. Several presenters have mic checks for the next hour, so please don’t be late.

Saturday, 2 March 2019 – 6:30pm to 9pm Open House. DearMYRTLE’s annual RootsTech After Party for genealogy bloggers, webmasters, videographers and other family history nuts. Here’s the link to RSVP ASAP.


ARCHIVED: WACKY Wednesday – FAN Club Breakthrough


Our special guest, Tierra L. Cotton-Kellow, had a breakthrough after attempting to find out more about her 4th great-grandfather Albert Goins. She knew about the FAN Principle from Elizabeth Shown Mills’s work. F.A.N. = Friends & Family, Associates and Neighbors.

From a census record, Tierra learned her ancestor Albert Goins was a free person of color living in Isaac Garrison’s household. Isaac was a slave holder and at the time owned Albert’s future wife Diana Dickerson.

So Isaac Garrison is in Albert Goins’s FAN club. Failing to find Albert in the 1860 US federal agricultural schedule index in digital format on, Tierra did find Albert’s FAN club person, Isaac Garrison, listed in the index. When she turned to the original, as all genealogy researchers worth their salt will do, Tierra made an enlightening discovery.

Find out more by watching this episode of WACKY Wednesday.

In our scholarly genealogical journals, such as the National Genealogical Society’s Quarterly, we see the proof arguments or results of reasonably exhaustive research, where the author faithfully follows the GPS (Genealogical Proof Standard). After perhaps years of research, the author composes an article reflecting his current thinking based on evidence collected from a variety of documents.

Seldom do we see another genealogist’s years of research, analysis, and correlation of info items found among multiple, sometimes conflicting documents. Seldom do we witness the painful agony of disproved hypotheses, nor do we learn how frequently the researcher must regroup, and look at the problem from a different angle. We seldom observe another researcher finding unusual, ill-defined relationships in surviving documents and witness the variety of hypotheses that emerge.

Tonight’s webinar is just that opportunity.

We are struck by the conundrum where no single, currently discovered document directly states the relationship between Isaac Garrison the slave holder, and Albert Goins, a free person of color living under one roof. We consider the historical context of pre-Civil War attitude toward Blacks in Virginia. Tierra expresses several possibilities – her current thinking. It’s far too early in the research process to reach definitive conclusions until other record sets like wills and probate are thoroughly studied.

Was Albert previously a slave of perhaps an older Garrison slave holder whose will states he grants freedom to his slave for years of faithful service?

How is it that Albert Goins was able to amass the number of swine, and multiple bushels of feed corn and oats?

Tierra knows she has many additional record sets in this locale and adjoining communities to consider.

It will be interesting to follow Tierra’s progress as this ancestral mystery unfolds.



18:50:34 From Lisa Gorrell to All panelists : I can only stay until 6:45–Have a board meeting to attend, but wanted to see Tierra!
18:55:37 From Melissa Barker : Hello Everyone!
19:03:16 From Cousin Russ : ESM’s QuickLessons Study Group – Syllabus: Elizabeth Shown Mills, “QuickLesson 11: Identity Problems & the FAN Principle,” Evidence Explained: Historical Analysis, Citation & Source Usage ( : accessed 13 Feb 2019).

19:03:38 From Cousin Russ: “FAN + GPS + DNA: The Problem-Solver’s Great Trifecta” by Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL. This first aired at Legacy Family Tree Webinars in Oct 2017 and is now available in the members-only area at:

19:03:59 From Cousin Russ: DearMYRTLE’S WACKY Wednesday FAN +GPS +DNA. Panelists reviewed “FAN + GPS + DNA: The Problem-Solver’s Great Trifecta” by Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL. This is recording of the panelists’ take on Elizabeth’s presentation.

19:04:00 From Dustin Austin : Love this webinar by Elizabeth!!
19:04:40 From Melissa Barker : Hello Dustin!
19:04:56 From Renate Sanders to All panelists : Good evening, everyone. Hey there, Tierra!
19:05:03 From Dustin Austin : Hello everyone
19:05:10 From Cousin Russ to All panelists : If you want to join the Panel, please raise your name
19:05:26 From Cousin Russ to All panelists : raise your hand. … sorry
19:05:45 From Renate Sanders : Try that, again… Good evening, everyone! Hey there, Tierra! 🙂
19:09:20 From Melissa Barker : Hello Renate!
19:09:53 From Tierra L. Cotton-Kellow to All panelists : Hi Renate 🙂
19:10:15 From Renate Sanders : Hi, Melissa! 🙂
19:10:28 From Angela Choates Brown : I am so proud of my daughter Tierra Kellow ❤️
19:10:49 From nadine guilbault to All panelists : Hi Melissa and everyone.
19:10:56 From Cousin Russ to All panelists : Angela — Welcome
19:12:47 From Tierra L. Cotton-Kellow to All panelists : Hi Mom 🙂
19:14:37 From Renate Sanders : Tierra are you using the records from Virginia Untold?
19:15:56 From Renate Sanders : There are lots of possibilities. He could be a paid house servant or driver, etc. He could be a relative or even a former slave who’d been freed. Lots more possibilities…

19:16:14 From Renate Sanders : Butler
19:16:24 From Cousin Russ :
19:17:13 From Dave Robison  : Were manumission records kept in any court house or town hall?
19:17:15 From Renate Sanders : Ah… yes.
19:18:00 From Renate Sanders : Can we see the full record?
19:18:22 From Renate Sanders : Yes… after 21, I believe
19:18:42 From Renate Sanders : I think
19:21:10 From Renate Sanders : The register is supposed to state whether the person was emancipated or born free.
19:21:44 From Shelley Murphy : Evening folks!
19:21:55 From Tierra L. Cotton-Kellow to All panelists : Hi Shelley
19:22:11 From Renate Sanders : Hey there, Shelley! Virginia expert in the house! 🙂
19:22:32 From Shelley Murphy : what does the note say?
19:23:21 From Renate Sanders : It’s okay… I didn’t realize it was an agricultural census. I must’ve missed that at the beginning when I was multi-multi-multi tasking lol
19:23:43 From Tierra L. Cotton-Kellow to All panelists : lol
19:27:46 From Shelley Murphy : Hey there Renate…just another VA researcher!! I see they are looking at the Agri census.
19:28:18 From Shelley Murphy : I count the columns to see which one it is.

19:28:28 From Cousin Russ : 1860 US Census Agricultural Form
19:29:28 From Shelley Murphy : and its in Dollars
19:29:47 From Shelley Murphy : cattle
19:30:17 From Shelley Murphy : swine
19:33:20 From Renate Sanders : Where were they missed?
19:33:50 From Renate Sanders : Oh… in the index?
19:33:53 From Lisa Gorrell : Were Albert and Wm in the pop schedule.
19:35:09 From Shelley Murphy : Some could of been skipped on purpose
19:38:56 From Lisa Gorrell : It’s the same form for the whole U.S. Some columns won’t be filled out in certain areas.
19:39:34 From Shelley Murphy : didn’t know about syrup in VA. Only know my Michigan syrup
19:40:46 From Lisa Gorrell : Have to run. It’s been fun!
19:41:02 From Shelley Murphy : look at all, no more 10 front and back, do all.
19:42:12 From Renate Sanders : Has Tierra already seen the Find a Grave listing? Am I allowed to post a link?
19:42:33 From Tierra L. Cotton-Kellow to All panelists : I have seen it
19:42:33 From Cousin Russ : please do
19:42:38 From Tierra L. Cotton-Kellow to All panelists : It’s extensive!
19:42:39 From Renate Sanders :
19:43:21 From Shelley Murphy : when you are researching Goins, you have to be aware that there are several spelling of the name and even seen as Gaines
19:43:40 From Tierra L. Cotton-Kellow to All panelists : Gorris as well
19:44:04 From Shelley Murphy : good reason to research the whole county
19:44:06 From Dave Robison to All panelists : Hi Shelley…You’re right…look at the description at Find A Grave that Pat has up on the screen now!
19:44:31 From Tierra L. Cotton-Kellow to All panelists : Dave – I believe that Albert Garrison was found under Albert Gorris in 1860 U.S.
19:44:37 From Tierra L. Cotton-Kellow to All panelists : Sorry – Albert Goins
19:45:03 From Renate Sanders : This is from the FaG link I just posted. There is a pretty long write-up by the poster and it includes this: ” I suspect Albert Goins worked for the Garrisons in order to eventually set his wife, Dianah, and their children free. This was the custom of the day. And I believe this was the case with Albert Goins. There is, however, some controversy as to the real status of Dianah Dickerson Goins. Was she “free” or was she a “slave”? The short answer is: yes, she was a slave, but the public record before 1840 also suggests that Dianah Goins may have once been considered free by the Garrisons–for whatever reason. ”
19:45:28 From Tierra L. Cotton-Kellow to All panelists : She was found in different census records under free as well as enslaved
19:45:46 From Tierra L. Cotton-Kellow to All panelists : Michael and I (the other poster) have had many long conversations about this 🙂
19:45:59 From Dave Robison to All panelists : That description at Find A Grave is revealing
19:46:00 From Renate Sanders : Oh… thanks for posting it Russ. 🙂
19:46:02 From Shelley Murphy : Grayson is a border county also, so please check to N Carolina as well, lots of Goins in that area.
19:46:40 From Renate Sanders : That’s it right there, Pat
19:46:40 From Shelley Murphy : That’s my line ….yes the free
19:46:42 From Renate Sanders : Heinegg
19:46:48 From Shelley Murphy : Paul Heinegg
19:46:53 From Renate Sanders : Yes
19:46:57 From Renate Sanders : That’s it
19:47:11 From Shelley Murphy : originally back in the 90’s
19:47:32 From Shelley Murphy : DAR awarded him last year
19:47:51 From Renate Sanders : It is one of the most valuable resources for researching free people of color
19:48:05 From Renate Sanders : There are some found errors, but it’s invaluable.
19:48:27 From Tierra L. Cotton-Kellow to All panelists : I agree… it’s great to have a direction to go in…

19:48:49 From Cousin Russ :
19:49:19 From Renate Sanders : Exactly.
19:49:20 From Shelley Murphy : agree Renate, it is the best out there, my line is in there….beginning with Mihil Gowen, 1635
19:49:32 From Shelley Murphy : Any errors please share, Paul would love them,
19:49:49 From Renate Sanders : He has them. They aren’t from me.
19:50:12 From Renate Sanders : He updates the site, often.
19:50:18 From Shelley Murphy : chasing my tail! lol
19:51:31 From Dave Robison to All panelists : I’m curious to know what Albert may have done between 1861-1865 if he was still living. Would he have served in the Confederacy as he was living in Virginia?
19:51:32 From Shelley Murphy : What was Albert’s occupation?
19:54:04 From Renate Sanders : Is Tierra getting any Garrison related DNA matches?
19:55:08 From Shelley Murphy : you need to start another book on the paternal side…lol.
19:56:15 From Shelley Murphy : Tierra, please hit me up so I can put you in the DNA study group, if you are not in, with Stacy Webb.
19:56:25 From Tierra L. Cotton-Kellow to All panelists : Will do
19:57:26 From Renate Sanders : Aw, how sweet!
19:57:30 From Shelley Murphy : Hi Mom!!! cuz…
19:57:36 From Angela Choates Brown to All panelists : Hello Everyone……
19:58:16 From marva choates: hi Tierra grandmom is on line too
19:58:47 From Renate Sanders : Oh my gosh! 🙂 LOVE IT!
19:58:48 From Shelley Murphy : Grandma….hello
19:59:11 From Angela Choates Brown to All panelists : We’re a proud FAMILY ❤️
20:00:18 From Susan Bleimehl : Wonderful discussion!!!!
20:00:32 From Sincere King to All panelists : i love this discussion
20:01:00 From Pat Kuhn : Hi Susan
20:01:01 From Renate Sanders : Great segment! Goodnight everyone. 🙂
20:01:15 From Shelley Murphy : Thanks all….
20:01:21 From Tierra L. Cotton-Kellow to All panelists : Thank you all 🙂
20:01:26 From Susan Bleimehl : Hi Pat.
20:01:58 From marva choates to All panelists : great job!!❤️❤️

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ARCHIVED: AmericaGen Study Group – Chapter 19 Land Records

AmericaGen Study Group

Cyndy Bray writes “I have learned so much more from this study than I would have from the book alone. Can’t thank you all enough.” Danine Cozzens  says: “So many avenues to investigate — thanks for all the detailed examples.”  Irene says: “I have a few new places to explore for records. Thanks for a great session.”

The AmericaGen Study Group – Chapter 19 – Government Land in Val Greenwood’s The Researchers Guide to American Genealogy, 2017 (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company.)

Please note all hyperlinks are non-affiliate links.

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Note: All panelists were invited ro read the chapter and then write about how that chapter relates to their personal research habits.

DearMYRTLE’s AmericaGen Study Group – Chapter 19 combined homework:



10:01:06 From Cousin Russ to All panelists : The Researchers Guide to American Genealogy 4th Edition by Val D. Greenwood, 2017 (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co.). This week we’re discussing Chapter 19
10:01:34 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists :
10:01:36 From Cousin Russ : WHERE are DearMYRTLE’s Webinars archived? At MYRT’S MUSINGS

10:06:59 From Cousin Russ : Texas GLO

10:11:26 From Cousin Russ : Headright
10:18:18 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : metes and bounds
10:24:04 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : Hire a researcher.
10:24:15 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : from APG National Capital Area Chapter.
10:24:23 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : If it’s a CASH SALE, there are usually fewer documents in the land entry file..
10:24:52 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : The normal homestead, desert land and forest land claims land entry files are HUGE
10:25:53 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : And FGS is in DC this year!
10:27:03 From Melinda Culpon to All panelists : if you do your bucket list and go to NARA – there is the Innovation Hub where you can scan these documents and NARA will upload them for the world

10:32:59 From Tierra Cotton-Kellow  : Hope to see you at FGS Cheri!
10:36:18 From Valerie Lisk : Millard Fillmore! Oh my gosh!
10:40:10 From Danine Cozzens : Regarding the X, reading and writing were separate disciplines. Historically some people could read but not write. So X does not = illiterate.
10:41:13 From Danine Cozzens : This is more colonial and early 19th C. Just something to consider.

10:43:23 From June Butka : I love the fact you added the family summary along with the transaction. It put it perspective of a timeline of his life.

10:45:25 From Susan Bleimehl : The only downside of using NARA’s innovation hub is that it takes more time to scan the documents than to photograph it.
10:47:12 From Susan Bleimehl : I like the black background for these docs.

11:02:37 From Cousin Russ :
11:02:52 From cyndy Bray : I have learned so much more from this study than I would have from the book alone. Can’t thank you all enough
11:03:30 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : This has been a great session…AGAIN! Thank you so very much.
11:03:38 From Irene : I have a few new places to explore for records. Thanks for a great session.
11:05:49 From Danine Cozzens : So many avenues to investigate — thanks for all the detailed examples.

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ARCHIVED: Mondays with Myrt – 11 Feb 2019


Cheryl and Myrt mention AncestryDNA pages return 404 error messages. We discuss chromosome browser alternatives. Also making the list is a discussion at 1:31:25 where Randy Seaver and his correspondent have figured that Ancestry has gone from adding over 300 new databases added a few years ago to under 100 most recently – owing to Ancestry’s change in emphasis from record digitization/indexing to DNA tech support.



09:41:59 From Hilary Gadsby to All panelists : Have a few things to mention today.
10:00:17 From Graham Walter : Hello everyone from London

One Pot Meals
10:00:57 From Cousin Russ : ONE POT MEALS FOR BUSY GENEALOGISTS (Facebook Group)
10:01:37 From Janine Edmée Hakim : Good morning all….BTWay the Pampered Chef’s “page is GREAT
10:01:59 From Robbin Smith : Hello from Miami
10:02:09 From John Laws : Gotta say Hi from Bonnie Scotland
10:02:48 From Nancy Myers : Hi everyone – from rainy Germany
10:03:19 From Gary Gauthier : Hello from Oh so cold Calgary, Alberta, Canada!
10:04:25 From Betty-Lu Burton : Hello from drowning Arkansas. I had some problems with Zoom earlier so I may be registered twice

10:05:25 From Cheri Hudson Passey : I have been having trouble with Ancestry DNA the last couple of weeks. Getting error messages or things are not coming up correctly. No tree links, no circles etc. 

10:06:34 From Doris Haskell : When I get that screen on AncestryDNA, sometimes it helps to click on the Refresh button.

10:06:39 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : Good Morning, working off generator, no power. Trees, poles and lines down for a couple of days now. Snow and ice.
10:08:00 From Betty-Lu Burton : Sheryl glad you have a generator. I hope you get your normal power back quickly

10:08:29 From Cousin Russ : GEDMATCH
10:08:44 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : Thank you Betty, me too! Goods neighbors though, we all chip in and help each other.
10:08:55 From Cousin Russ : DNA Painter
10:09:06 From Graham Walter : and Jonny Perl (DNA Painter) will be at RootsTech SLC 2019
10:09:25 From Jim Everhart to All panelists : Where can I enter a recipe?
10:09:25 From Randy Seaver : I’ve found that the AutoCluster feature on Genetic Affairs is helpful – it groups your AncestryDNA matches by Shared Matches. If you know your common ancestor for one person in the cluster, the others in the cluster have a common ancestor with you and your known cousin further back in time.
10:09:29 From DearMYRTLE . : Cannot wait to see Jonny Perl!
10:10:06 From Randy Seaver : You have to know common ancestors with your matches to really fill in DNA Painter.
10:10:46 From Valerie Lisk : DNA Painter is great for ancestry matches because you don’t get a chromosome browser. I was able to determine that a match who was listed as a 2nd cousin on ancestry is actually doubly related from two line that were not supposed to have crossed
10:11:28 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : Ancestry DNA
10:11:52 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : Living DNA
10:12:04 From Marcia Philbrick to All panelists : Cousin Russ — Do you drill down to county when looking at the DNA maps — or just to region?
10:12:34 From Valerie Lisk : Randy, do you need to have a minimum number of matches to get a cluster? I have 4 known cousins on ancestry and we don ‘t form a cluster.
10:13:06 From Robbin Smith : on MyHeritage I found my cousins related to my Swiss Great Grandfather confirming my hypothesis about where he lived.
10:13:30 From Betty-Lu Burton : I have both recent (mid 1800’s) and colonial ancestors.
10:13:47 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : 23& Me DNA
10:14:10 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : FTDNA
10:14:26 From Randy Seaver : Valerie, are your four cousins in the same grandparent line? I have a cluster with 37 members, down to clusters with 2 persons in them.
10:14:56 From Randy Seaver : I have 52 clusters with AncestryDNA with limits of 25 to 900 cM.
10:15:07 From Betty-Lu Burton : I uploaded my Ancestry DNA to MyHeritage. Would there be any advantage to take a MyHeritage DNA also? [Note: No.] I have Northern Italian that may have come back as Jewish DNA
10:16:05 From Randy Seaver : Betty-Lu, I don’t think so. MyHeritage finds matches with your uploaded raw data. I haven’t taken a MH DNA test but have uploaded 3 sets of raw data. Lots of matches.
10:16:05 From Valerie Lisk : Randy yes we are from the same grandparents. We share 3 siblings.
10:17:00 From Randy Seaver : The benefit of MyHeritageDNA is the chromosome browser and triangulation tools – I was permitted to put my cousin’s DNA on MH and now know which chromosomes are our Richmond/Rich line.
10:19:33 From Randy Seaver : Valerie, I’ve had a similar experience with close relations, but I don’t have any sibling matches. They seem to recommend an upper limit of 300 cM.
10:20:47 From Randy Seaver : I really need to do the SAR and Mayflower descendants. Just haven’t done it.
10:20:53 From Doris Haskell : I was told I would have my DAR membership number on Feb. 5th. Not yet.
10:21:05 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : SAR – Sons of the American Revolution Eligibility
10:21:24 From Valerie Lisk : Thanks Randy.
10:22:04 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : Daughters of the American Revolution
10:22:06 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : Yes. Same here. My mother, her sister and their mother were all members. Piece of cake? Pretty crummy.
10:22:37 From Rachel Evans : My son isn’t interested in genealogy but loves to hear stories about the ancestors that served. I’m hoping that’s a way of hooking him in.
10:23:06 From Doris Haskell  : Rachel, the stories are vital.
10:24:55 From Michelle Minner : My Revolutionary Ancestor was moved to Mt. Vernon by Washington himself, in order to build arms and ammunition. Nobody in my immediate family knew about it. Those SAR and DAR approvals have lots of information that help with your search, even if you aren’t applying for membership.
10:25:30 From Betty-Lu Burton : Ok then Quakers can then be on the list of eligible people? One of my lines were Quakers and I had figured since they opposed war that I would not be able to go through any of them for DAR
10:25:50 From Daniel Horowitz to All panelists : Hi guys, Daniel Horowitz logging in 😉
10:26:23 From DearMYRTLE . : Hiya Daniel. We just spotlighted MyHeritage DNA.
10:26:42 From Graham Walter to All panelists : Hi Daniel
10:27:18 From Doris Haskell : Betty-Lu, Quakers might qualify if they were instrumental in the formation of the new government.. They didn’t have to serve in battle.
10:29:42 From Betty-Lu Burton : Thank you Doris
10:30:19 From Marian Koalski : I think that even paying local taxes is considered a qualifying act of patriotism by the DAR.
10:30:41 From Rachel Evans : One of my ancestors nursed her brother for 40 days before he died from wounds along with 2 sisters. Their father asked for reimbursement for them and supplies used in his care. I’m planning on joining on another line but want to add her as a supplemental
10:31:45 From Marian Koalski : Good idea, Rachel! We need to have more women patriots documented and on the “rolls” of the DAR.
10:33:05 From Randy Seaver : Dave, how do you document the names, events, dates, places, relationships, etc.?

10:37:51 From Daniel Horowitz :
10:38:26 From Betty-Lu Burton : My Quaker ancestor is in the DAR database
10:41:09 From Marian Koalski : Excellent, Betty! Do you see any known relatives among the descendants?
10:41:44 From Cousin Russ : MyHeritage LIVE 2019, September 6-8, 2019 in Amsterdam, Netherlands!
10:42:37 From Cousin Russ :
10:43:24 From Betty-Lu Burton : I just put the known last name and the father of the man, Delaplain Ridgeway, I have been working on came up and someone has gone apparently has gone through Delaplain because his name comes up as an eligible child
10:45:57 From Graham Walter : You’ve got to get there Myrt!!
10:46:01 From Michelle Minner : I have a folding wheelchair, and used it a LOT when I traveled (even on cruise ships, and airplanes, etc.) they are GREAT for mobility.
10:47:31 From Graham Walter : Bye Daniel
10:47:32 From Betty-Lu Burton : It is neat to hear able genealogy activities in Europe
10:51:56 From Hilary Gadsby : I have had to sort out a few tangles on Family Search someone disconnected my grandmother from her family
10:53:07 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : Yes, Randy!
10:53:30 From Hilary Gadsby : I am cross matching with WikiTree so that I can keep things straight.
10:55:53 From Rachel Evans : I have had the same issues with FamilySearch. I ended up adding a discussion item to the person’s profile with my argument.
10:56:07 From Marcia Philbrick to All panelists : I like the ability to ‘collaborate’ or ‘discuss’ on the Family Search tree.
10:56:23 From Randy Seaver : I still think FamilySearch Family Tree is a fantastic resource – it should last a long time, has all of the features needed, and has more profiles than any other collaborative tree.
10:58:52 From Valerie Lisk : I have met many cousins through familysearch.
10:58:54 From Marian Koalski : I sometimes think that most? People don’t notice the Discussions section on FamilySearch. Would the Life Sketch be a better place to explain that Uncle Jack is not dead?
10:59:51 From Randy Seaver : Some contributors to FSFT have added a message at the top of the Life Sketch to call attention to conflict issues.
10:59:54 From Betty-Lu Burton : My Ridgeway DAR is through my great grandmother’s sister
10:59:54 From Dave Robison to All panelists : Thanks for bringing in the SAR/DAR discussion… See you next week!
11:00:15 From Jim Everhart to All panelists : another question
11:01:52 From Kathleen Daetsch : Although they can’t change your tree on Ancestry I get hints that are coming from some of my dna matches adding people to there trees without any sources and no proof
11:03:02 From Marcia Philbrick to All panelists : An advantage of FS tree is the ability to attach the images from the county records in their collection.
11:05:19 From Valerie Lisk : Is there an advantage to having a tree on both familysearch and WikiTree? What is the advantage of WikiTree?
11:05:55 From Linda Jordan to All panelists : Will the link only work if you are already on Wikitree? By on — I mean a member.
11:07:33 From Betty-Lu Burton : I consider WikiTree more stable than familysearch because those working on WikiTree tend to use sources more.
11:08:05 From Valerie Lisk : Thanks Betty-Lu.
11:08:30 From Brenda J. Williams to All panelists : So I take it that none of the members in the screen shot are living, correct, for privacy issues? [NOTE: William Gist Froman is one of DearMYRTLE’s Unions Civil War soldiers.]
11:08:37 From JoAnn Lawrencw : Thanks for the tip about DAR. I just found by 5th great-grandfather on the list. Joseph Gaunt married to Elizabeth Borton. I’ve been looking for this info. Thanks again
11:09:18 From Randy Seaver : advantage of WikiTree is that there are different researchers than on FamilySearch. You never know where you will find a breakthrough.
11:09:46 From Randy Seaver : disadvantage is WikiTree has “only” 20-some million profiles, and FS Family Tree has over 900 million.
11:09:55 From Randy Seaver : both are FREE!
11:10:16 From Sharon Morrissey : On Wikitree .. do you have to input the information by hand or cn you upload?
11:10:19 From Valerie Lisk : Thanks Hilary and Randy!
11:11:03 From Randy Seaver : on WikiTree you can upload a limited GEDCOM file, but then have to discern if your entries match an existing profile. You do this before the GEDCOM profiles are uploaded.
11:11:21 From Valerie Lisk : How do you copy your familysearch tree to WikiTree?
11:11:25 From Robbin Smith : can you add family via gedcom to wikitree?
11:12:20 From Randy Seaver : you cannot copy your FSFT profiles directly. You could download them to a family tree program like RootsMagic, create a GEDCOM, and upload it to WikiTree.
11:12:44 From Randy Seaver : WikiTree has a Help section that tells you the GEDCOM upload process.
11:13:03 From Valerie Lisk : Thanks Randy!
11:13:42 From Robbin Smith : TY i found the upload
11:20:03 From Graham Walter : WikiTree has a comment in their forum answering the question if integration with Rootsmagic – (
11:20:50 From Kathleen Daetsch : I have seen a whole line of my gg grandmother’s line that has no sources at all on WikiTree
11:22:03 From Cousin Russ : Graham Walters’s most excellent #RootsTech suggestion
11:22:06 From Michelle Minner : I use Avery Business cards, and print them myself! LOL…I have always liked doing them myself.
11:23:47 From Cousin Russ : For inexpensive, high quality business cards both Myrt and Graham use
11:23:55 From Cousin Russ : To create a word cloud as Graham and DearMYRTLE shared during this webinar, try
11:24:19 From Kathleen Daetsch : I like what Myrt said before that the guy she contacted said “I know your one of those people who use source” It seems like the new breed of researches have no use for them.
11:28:48 From Doris Haskell : I can see how that might affect my tree too. I have three people named Russell Simonson Davison. And three people named William Gleason Buckley.
11:29:35 From Gary Gauthier : Graham: A side-note for you. If people are asking about the Mac version of MetaProxy, please tell them I’m doing my best to implement similar features as Tony Proctor has done in the Windows version. I will let people know as soon as I’ve something I can send out.
11:30:21 From Graham Walter : Gary: will do
11:30:55 From Doris Haskell : Michelle Simmons Lewis is a valuable resource for help with Legacy Family Tree see: Legacy 9 Family Tree Software – Users Group (unofficial)

11:31:42 From Cousin Russ : Randy Seaver’s “A Reader’s Take on Problems – Part III – Reduced Number of New Record Collections”
11:35:16 From Robbin Smith : BTW I found a pair of indices for 1850 for towns of Castleton and Northfield were incorrect as of last week
11:37:57 From Cousin Russ : ONE POT MEALS FOR BUSY GENEALOGISTS (Facebook Group)
11:39:13 From Cheri Hudson Passey to All panelists : Congratulations Laurie!!
11:40:15 From June Butka : I will participate with a recipe with my Sweet and sour meatballs. [NOTE: Thank-you, June!]
11:40:44 From Brenda J. Williams to All panelists : Randy, what was the total amount of DNA customers with the 10 percent interested in doing genealogy?
11:41:17 From Graham Walter : Have a great day everyone
11:41:21 From Rachel Evans : Have a great day everyone!
11:41:39 From Brenda J. Williams to All panelists : Randy, what was the total amount of DNA customers with the 10 percent interested in doing genealogy?
11:42:05 From susan bleimehl : Really nice event today. Thanks.
11:42:14 From Randy Seaver : Brenda, 15 million DNA testers probably 1.5 million are genealogists with a tree over 100 profiles. Just an estimate.
11:42:24 From Brenda J. Williams to All panelists : A genealogy society I belong to is trying to figure out how to connect to those very people.
11:42:39 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : Yippee! Electrical company is finally here to install a new pole and get up back up and running.
11:42:42 From Pam Helm : Thank you for adding me
11:43:24 From Gary Gauthier to All panelists : Thanks, Myrtle. Do you want new recipes contributions?
11:43:39 From Doris Haskell : I’m not sure if I’m in this group already.
11:43:47 From Randy Seaver : Brenda, you can search on Ancestry Member Connect for subscribers in a community. Target them with an Ancestry message asking them to email back to you.
11:44:23 From Brenda J. Williams to All panelists : Thanks Randy!
11:44:33 From Gary Gauthier to All panelists : Got it. I cook from scratch, since I’m allergic to soy and MSG
11:44:33 From Jim Everhart to All panelists : I clicked join but no reply
11:44:38 From Rachel Evans : I will have to join and go through my recipes.
11:44:40 From Randy Seaver : If your society is brave enough, offer your society to help make a family tree with them.
11:44:54 From Valerie Lisk : You can buy riced cauliflower in the freezer section.
11:47:42 From Randy Seaver : Brenda, Ancestry’s “Search > Member Directory” doesn’t let me find members in a place any more. Only ancestral names in a place. Sorry for the bad lead.
11:49:29 From Randy Seaver : -35 C is about the same as -35 F
11:49:44 From Randy Seaver : the crossover is at -40 C = -40 F
11:49:56 From Brenda J. Williams to All panelists : I think it will be a challenge to connect people who have taken the DNA test to actually doing genealogical research. But I think that most societies will need to do this – to help get younger members as our members age.
11:51:50 From Randy Seaver : A message on Facebook on a community page might put out the word about DNA tests, family trees and genealogy societies.
11:52:46 From Brenda J. Williams to All panelists : I like that suggestion> Something all the lines of “Do something more with your DNA results”
11:53:13 From Randy Seaver : exactly! Use an example of connecting to a DNA match.
11:54:05 From Kathleen Daetsch : Goodbye

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