Had a blast today discussing the continuing saga of FTDNA changing it’s terms of service, England & Wales GRO (General Record Office) now routinely offering email .PDF of birth (1837-1918) and death records 1837-1957) and how Ancestry creates it’s big tree that is the backbone for the We’re Related App. We also explain why you should follow Evidence Explained on Facebook. Randy Seaver provides the link to RootsTech 2019 SLC handouts for remote attendees. We also give a shout out to Lisa Louise Cooke for 67 items about creating family history videos. And yes, “snake catcher” was a legitimate occupation in the late 1800s, England.



09:59:41 From Graham Walter to All panelists :
09:59:47 From Graham Walter to All panelists : GRO certificates
10:00:36 From Graham Walter : Hello from London everyone
10:01:25 From Linda Stufflebean : Are lunch get togethers planned for Monday in the cafeteria and/or Tuesday at Blue Lemon? [Yes, see: DearMYRTLE’s RootsTech 2019 SLC Plans]

10:02:27 From Hilary Gadsby : Will miss not being in Salt Lake this year
10:02:35 From Gary Gauthier : Good morning everyone.
10:02:38 From Linda Stufflebean : 🙂
10:02:39 From Betty-Lu Burton : Hello
10:03:48 From ERIC COOK to All panelists : Hi all!
10:04:00 From John Laws : Hi Everyone from bonnie Scotland just found a cousin, great grans brothers grandson Wow!
10:04:37 From Graham Walter : I’ll be about
10:04:58 From Monique Riley : Wish I could come to MWM on Monday, but not coming in until Tuesday.
10:05:42 From Cheri Hudson Passey : I’ll see you there!!
10:06:49 From Cheri Hudson Passey : Still home. Fly out on Friday!

10:07:12 From Cousin Russ : Move over Parabon, there’s a new kid in town.
10:08:38 From Betty-Lu Burton : People forget that the same way they solve crime using DNA they also identify people who have died without ID
10:09:28 From Hilary Gadsby to All panelists :
10:10:24 From cyndy Bray : FTDNA promised us privacy, then went back on their promise. Then tried to guilt us into liking the idea
10:10:25 From John Laws : What other secret organisations are these companies sharing our data with, the Russia investigation makes you wonder
10:11:37 From Hilary Gadsby to All panelists :
10:11:39 From Randy Seaver to All panelists : I do want to talk about the Ancestry Big Tree based on my reader shared, plus my own comments, but I’dl ike to briefly mention the RootsTech 2019 handouts being available online for everyone, and my FOREVER box too.
10:13:13 From Graham Walter to All panelists : Blaine post –
10:13:29 From Randi Patrick : Concise
10:13:29 From Randy Seaver : The comments on blaine’s FB post pointed out that the hourly rate was $233 for everything but the tests, and the genealogist gets something like $100. Every company has overhead.
10:14:15 From Marcia Philbrick :
10:14:15 From Graham Walter to All panelists : Sorry – it was the first in the list (in my browser)
10:14:18 From Randy Seaver : $100 an hour is a reasonable rate for a professional genetic genealogist
10:16:10 From Graham Walter to All panelists : Proper Blaine link (
10:16:21 From Graham Walter to All panelists : I hope 🙂
10:17:28 From Randy Seaver : There is an article about CeCe Moore in the Wall Street Journal recently but it’s behind their paywall
10:17:29 From John Laws : Just look what Car dealers charge when you get the car serviced Jaguar charge $200 just to lift the hood without doing any work
10:19:31 From Cousin Russ : GRO certificates
10:21:22 From Randy Seaver : I ordered a birth cert from GRO in 2017 in the trial – see the result in
10:21:28 From Rachel Evans : I ordered a few when they had the trial for husband’s line. It was quick and easy. Glad they are doing it again. I have a few more to get.
10:22:07 From Gary Gauthier to All panelists : Graham; what is the quality of the PDF like? How is the cost relative to the paper copy?
10:22:56 From Hilary Gadsby : The pdf is available to download for 3 months after it is issued
10:23:00 From Monique Riley : I have ordered several PDF’s from the GRO and love this service.
10:23:30 From Dave Robison to All panelists : Do we have Audrey Collins to thank for that???
10:23:44 From Hilary Gadsby : You must save them before this time period expires
10:24:12 From Gary Gauthier to All panelists : The Saskatchewan certificates are, I believe, over $50 CDN
10:24:48 From Randi Patrick : It would be nice to see a side by side of the two documents.
10:24:58 From Hilary Gadsby : No I think someone else may have pushed could have been Guy Etchells
10:25:07 From Doris Haskell : I prefer the actual entry. A death certificate I received had no burial information, which is what I was looking for. I went to the FHL and looked at the image of the original record, and found the burial informaiton.
10:25:33 From Hilary Gadsby : The index is great
10:26:14 From Cousin Russ : Doris — some of the death certificates that I have seen, do have burial information. (US based DC)
10:26:24 From Marian Koalski : John Laws, I’m thinking about the old White Sale (linens).
10:26:36 From Marian Koalski : Ladies fighting over pillowcases
10:27:12 From Cousin Russ : Smokey Mountain Historical Society’s YouTube Channel.
10:28:27 From Hilary Gadsby : Death certificates in UK do not have a lot of relationship information
10:28:54 From Hilary Gadsby : that should be England and Wales
10:29:06 From Randi Patrick : All publicity is good publicity!
10:31:59 From Jim Everhart : We post these for members and prospective members to see, these are open to the public and for people like me who live in another state

10:32:43 From Cousin Russ :
10:33:08 From Robbin Smith : what about animoto?
10:34:17 From Cousin Russ : for podcasting
10:35:17 From Cousin Russ : Lisa Louise Cooke has 67 videos about creating family history videos.
10:36:41 From Cousin Russ : Are you following EVIDENCE EXPLAINED on Facebook? If not you are missing interactive challenges.
10:36:53 From Sally Smith to All panelists : I do
10:37:35 From Joanne Parkes : Really appreciate the Evidence Explained updates!
10:37:56 From Gary Gauthier to All panelists : A lot of the content comes from her website forum. That is, from EE user questions.
10:38:19 From Monique Riley : I follow and appreciate seeing EE on FB because it helps me see posts more often as I don’t go to her website as often.
10:39:02 From Dave Robison to All panelists : When I saw that post, I thought it looked exactly like the handwritten records I see in early 1600’s Springfield, Massachusetts. No surprise, they were all English settlers!
10:39:35 From Randy Seaver : agree with Dave on the handwriting!
10:45:09 From Jim Everhart : As a member bennefit SMHS has a online tree of combined genealogies from members into a unified tree with over 1.1 million names that is searchable TNG database. This has helped us grow our membership as well as preserve these genealogies and the can be updated as the people give us updates.
10:45:57 From Gary Gauthier to All panelists : I’veseen such notes in Canadian records
10:46:55 From Randy Seaver : That’s great, Jim! We have duscussed doing something like that, but getting GEDCOMs from living folks is hard, and from dead folks is impossible. We do have 5 generation charts from lots of former members in books, but the data entry is challenging.
10:46:59 From Cousin Russ : for my WikiTree surprise
10:48:01 From Cousin Russ :
10:48:02 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists :
10:48:12 From Cousin Russ :
10:49:22 From Jim Everhart : We have a PDF form on our FB group page for people who want to give the last 3 generations included in our project we probable have most further back than that
10:50:10 From Randy Seaver : Jim, did you collect GEDCOMs for the project?
10:52:00 From Randy Seaver : Our thought was to put the collected “CVGS Tree” into an Ancestry Member Tree, but a TNG setup is interesting.
10:52:06 From Cousin Russ : Randy – one way that he got data was from PAF
10:52:29 From Cousin Russ : I converted a PAF to FTM2017 for Jim and he put it on TNG
10:52:58 From Randy Seaver : This would be a great project for a county society like Jim’s.
11:03:10 From Monique Riley : Randy, I have to thank you for telling us the trick on how to download the RootsTech handouts on the computer. I have did it this way the past few years. It is much easier to rename them that way.
11:03:27 From Randy Seaver : CVGS collected GEDCOMs from about 15 members 15 years ago and put it in a search page on the website. We get queries every so often. Many of our contributors have passed away now.

11:04:22 From Randy Seaver : The 2019 RootsTech SLC 2019 handouts can be found at
11:07:50 From Randy Seaver : My blogp post about downloading from 2018 is at The same process works for 2019
11:08:21 From Yvonne Demoskoff : Thanks Monique!
11:09:01 From Melissa Barker : Hello Everyone! I am off because of the holiday so had to drop in on Monday’s with Myrt.
11:09:30 From Graham Walter to All panelists : They haven’t yet passed that feature (pre screen sharing bit) to the Mac version
11:11:43 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : thank-you, Randy. I’ll be ready to share the screen for you.
11:12:36 From Shelby Bender : For Pat Kuhn: we have a patron of our historical society whose KUHN family immigrated from Hungary to Pennsylvania in 1904 and 1906. They then later came to Plant City, Florida in 1926/29 after the bank crashed that he owned.
11:12:57 From Dave Robison  : Hi Melissa! The folks at First church are very impressed with the docs I put into the L-sleeves you recommended.
11:13:53 From Melissa Barker : Dave, I am going to talk about your documents and preserving oversized records on Wacky Wednesday, hope you can be there.
11:14:15 From Dave Robison to All panelists : I plan on it unless I’m shoveling snow!!
11:14:32 From John Laws : Found through an Ancestry hint my Great Grandfather apprenticeship to his father a Ship’s Master in 1840 aged 12 for 4 years
11:14:57 From Dave Robison to All panelists : But I’ll email a few of the members especially our Historical Committee to tune in.
11:16:46 From Jim Everhart to All panelists : We have tons of Shultz/Shults in our tree
11:18:53 From John Laws : Just like Ancestry assuming data NOT in the original record – very bad practice.
11:20:23 From Monique Riley : Everyone thank Randy about the RT handout link, he is the one who told us. I was just thanking him 🙂
11:22:44 From Randy Seaver : I have downloaded the handouts for Wednesday and Thursday at RootsTech 2019 now, and need to do the other two days. I made a RootsTech 2019 file folder to put them in.
11:22:58 From Janine Edmée Hakim : Thank you
11:24:08 From Randy Seaver : I probably should be adding obituaries from my Seavers in the News posts to FamilySearch Family Tree profiles as Media and Notes.
11:24:17 From Monique Riley : I only downloaded the handouts I was interested in. I am printing off paper copies for the classes I am interested in attending so I can bring them to RT and take notes right on the paper. I am spiral binding all the handouts.
11:24:21 From Cousin Russ : Randy Seaver’s blog post about my Ancestry insider reader’s comments about the Ancestry Big Tree, and his own comments, is at
11:25:58 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : What about it is in a book so it has to be right
11:29:15 From Joanne Parkes : I could be wrong but I think that Ancestry regularly “talks” to FamilySearch tree — only think this because when I enter a new source in either one, that same source becomes a recommended option in the other one. But no source info for this thought.
11:32:34 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : It is very hard to figure out how your related to a fourth cousin.
11:32:53 From Marcia Philbrick : The ‘Big Tree’ is still merging people of the same name. I’m wondering if there is a way to submit corrections.
11:33:24 From John Laws : RootsMagic has a error finder well worth using regularly
11:33:53 From June Butka : I just found an error from when I first entered that ancestor years ago. My 5th Great grandfather.

11:36:22 From Cousin Russ : The We’re Related App by Kitty Cooper
Ancestry’s Support Page for the We’re Related App
11:36:38 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : I reject it if I am not happy with the documentation my second great grandmother’s line is not proven to my satisfaction
11:37:24 From Hilary Gadsby to All panelists : I had it say I am related to Pat most is correct but not sure about the last one
11:37:32 From Marcia Philbrick : How do you dislike something on We’re Related?
11:38:40 From Graham Walter to All panelists : I’ll be there!!
11:38:43 From Randy Seaver : Marcia, at the bottom of the profile for the We’re Related match person, there is a thumbs up button and a thumbs down button
11:39:17 From Marcia Philbrick : Hush about the snow! When you get some — we have it a couple of days later. We are totally ready to be done with the snow!
11:39:20 From John Laws : Gonna have to bring flask of coffee and Sandwiches
11:40:04 From Randi Patrick : Great job! Thank you.
11:40:40 From Graham Walter : Goodbye everyone – have a great day
11:41:21 From Graham Walter : your muted Jim
11:45:30 From Dave Robison to All panelists : Goodbye everyone and thanks! See you Wednesday.
11:45:37 From Graham Walter : Bye Dave
11:46:54 From Graham Walter : See you next week in SLC

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