Hilary spotlights WikiTree’s Connect A-Thon, while Gary brings up the technical topic of Ancestry’s DBID (database IDs) disappearing from the address bar. We discuss the advisability of working all possible ancestors through one database at a time, Graham reports on the York Family History Fair. We note RootsMagic is adding live chat tech support. Yvonne notes Canada is taking it’s first cold case to trial with the DNA/genealogy techniques being utilized in the US. We applaud New York State for opening adoption records to adult adoptees.



09:41:52 From Pat Kuhn  :

09:43:12 From DearMYRTLE : This is the USB headset Dave Robison likes.

09:49:15 From Graham Walter : Family History Fair York

Photos from York fair
09:59:47 From Yvonne Demoskof :

10:01:23 From Graham Walter : Hello everyone from London
10:01:47 From Bill West to All panelists : Good morning from sunny Massachusetts!
10:01:49 From Sheryl Zeringue to All panelists : Hello from hot South Louisiana.
10:01:50 From Betty-Lu Burton : hi everyone
10:03:03 From Sheila Benedict : Hello from Central California – nice weather here.
10:03:10 From Launa : I’m at salt lake FamilySearch lib scanning my grandfather’s pix
10:03:35 From June Butka : Hello, from Southern New Hampshire., United States.
10:04:14 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : Hello from Northern California in the Sierra Nevadas…cool day so far.
10:04:14 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : Hello from Levittown, Pennsylvania : )
10:04:19 From Robbin Smith to All panelists : hiya from Miami!
10:05:25 From Mary Lou Gravatt : Hi from New Jersey, USA
10:05:44 From JoAnn Lawrence : Hello from West New Jersey

10:06:10 From Geoffrey Cooker : Hello from Shabbona, Illinois
10:08:29 From Randy Seaver  : Here is the link to the photo Socks company –

10:08:52 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : LOL
10:09:11 From Pamela Wells : My name is Pamela ROBERSON Wells and my family was from Virginia, West Virginia, North Carolina & Ohio
10:11:27 From Betty-Lu Burton : My grandmother’s father spelled his name Hawk, she and her siblings spelled it Hawke. I have not idea why the e was added
10:12:16 From Molly McKinley : One of my Hames lines changed their name to Haynes due to a falling out with one of the brothers in that generation.
10:13:24 From Deb Andrew : My great was. Robson.
10:13:51 From Pamela Wells : Absolutely NO I don’t have the same spellings through every Census… family’s name: ROBERSON, were ROBER(T)SON, ROBINSON, ROBESON, ROBISON, etc. Even within the family our family there are differences…. Laughing out loud
10:13:55 From Launa : my grandmother was Hancks Hanks
10:14:04 From Randy Seaver : Ideally, the records all have the same spelling of the name. The Rosanna Lanfear War of 1812 pension application got bogged down because the soldier enlisted as Lamfear and Lamifear, and the pension dept couldn’t connect the two for years.
10:14:13 From ERIC COOK to All panelists : Hi from Iowa!
10:14:49 From Rachel Evans : my great-grandfather changed the name from Macken to Mackin due to not wanting to be associated with a funeral home. Oddly he ended up building caskets for a living.
10:15:41 From Pamela Wells : In my D.A.R. membership, I found my family McDORMAN with a cousin’s family whose brothers spelled their names differently who spelled McDERMENT! Rumor was the family didn’t like one another!
10:16:25 From Geoffrey Cooker to All panelists : What do you think of the theory that names, especially as applied in later life, used the spelling of what the ancestor felt was the most prominent document, ie, a will or military discharge…
10:16:46 From Kathleen Daetsch : My O’Bryon line has many different spellings I think it was to try to keep them streight because so many of them have the same first name and they lived in a small community.
10:17:54 From Gary Gauthier : There is a funeral home in Orangeville, Ontario that is called Butchers. How strange.
10:18:48 From Bill West to All panelists : My Ellingwood relativess spelled it Ellinwood, Ellenwood, Allenwod, and one Ellwood.
10:18:48 From Betty-Lu Burton : My Huyck were educated people from the 1600’s on and spelled their name Huyck since 1700. I always know when they spelled the name and when someone else misspelled the name.
10:18:52 From Pamela Wells : For D.A.R we had to find a Chancery suit that was filed and prove it in that manner.
10:18:57 From Sheila Benedict : When my great grandfather and grandfather came to America Illegially through Canada in 1893, he changed the surname to Klein because he met someone with that name. I have NO relations with that name.
10:19:12 From Geoffrey Cooker to All panelists : The King/Koenig example is an excellent observation
10:19:52 From Randy Seaver : I have the Konig/King line in York PA. They switched to King in about 1800
10:19:55 From June Butka : I make a comment section of the ancestors profile page. Dated. with source/s. I add what I see. AKA notation.
10:20:16 From Betty-Lu Burton : For Liv. Some of my Norwegian immigrants took the farm name and some of the siblings took the patronmics of the father
10:20:47 From Geoffrey Cooker to All panelists : There is a good example of this with the British royal family…Battenburg to Mountbatten…
10:21:17 From Dave Robison to All panelists : Randy, That’s exactly when “my” Konig changed their name, the generation directly after the Patriot. By the way, they were from Pennsylvania!
10:21:20 From jeannecourval to All panelists : I had the issue that it isn’t always the person who is mispelling their name. I found so many variations of one of my family names – mastifeed, mustapha, mustifpher These are all the ways it was found in census records. It think these were ways that the census takers thought the name was spelled.
10:21:26 From Randy Seaver : I add each name variation in my RootsMagic profile and add the source. We have this discussion in every one of my Beginning Computer Genealogy classes at OASIS and CVGS. It’s not unusual for there to be 5 to 10 different names in the records for a person.
10:21:36 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : That is why, researching is never finalized.
10:22:05 From June Butka : I do the same as Cousin Russ. It is a name fact.
10:22:38 From Hilary Gadsby : The problems are even worse when a totally different name is recorded and you have to prove it is the same person.
10:22:38 From Liv Christensen : In Norway and among American emigrants from Norway, you have the same “problem”, Betty Lu. So the discussion is very valid for us too.
10:22:45 From Marcia Philbrick to All panelists : My 2nd great grandfather is Washington Crawford in some records and Marion Crawford in other records. Even his civil war records have his name listed both ways. Figuring out that they are the same person is difficult! Cousin Russ’ use of name fact is a great way to document. I’m also trying to go back and add a ‘comment’ to the person on my Ancestry tree (as suggested by Crista Cowan).
10:22:52 From Betty-Lu Burton : I put it as an alternate name unless I know their was an actual name change
10:23:13 From June Butka : A timeline is also done if they look like two people.
10:23:17 From Randy Seaver : I use alternate names as a name fact.
10:23:18 From jeannecourval to All panelists : If I have a birth record or a death record, I usually use one of those. For the others, I use as alternatives names.
10:24:00 From Leah Smith : Affidavit from parish priest was needed to explain name differences, due to dit names. two married names, both of which were Anglicized from French. I use name fact for each name and add notes.
10:24:04 From Robbin Smith : Now I am grateful to be a Smith!
10:24:14 From marian koalski : I think everyone probably has a horror story about missing a key record due to an alternate spelling that was missed
10:26:02 From Gary Gauthier : I have a great aunt who was born Augusta Ethleen Wells, but always went by Addie Wells.
10:26:07 From Sheila Benedict : I live and worked in area with a very large Danish community. They are very specific that the ending of the name is sEn. If anyone has sOn, they are usually not Davish = at least not here.
10:26:15 From Hilary Gadsby : I could not find a birth for my 2xgt grandmother as she was registered with a different first name.

10:26:50 From Bill West to All panelists : I thought my ears were burning a while ago!
10:26:51 From Cousin Russ : Great advice from Bill West about using tags in your Ancestry Member Tree. 🤗 “Making Lists with Ancestry’s Tree MyTreeTags”

10:26:58 From Sheila Benedict : Danish not Davish – sorry
10:27:27 From Bill West to All panelists : Thank you!
10:27:34 From June Butka : I love the Hypothesis and verified tags.
10:28:21 From jeannecourval to All panelists : was that info – it was too quick for me to copy
10:28:27 From Cousin Russ :
10:29:41 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : Yes
10:30:18 From June Butka : Many have a rainbow wedding from the time. I was the pink dress in my sister wedding.
10:33:05 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : Good to know about the new record release
10:35:59 From June Butka : FYI. The Town of Sutton is doing a five generation of who lived in your home. A new way to look a family genealogy.
10:36:24 From June Butka : New Hampshire.
10:36:52 From Dave Robison : June, Sutton Massachusetts??
10:37:07 From Dave Robison : New Hampshire…thanks!
10:37:20 From Randy Seaver : June, how are they doing it? From census records, land records, directories?
10:37:50 From June Butka : I was not able to stand up for my sister or my Best Friend for their catholic marriages.
10:38:32 From Dave Robison : My mother wasn’t allowed to wear white, get married on Saturday the traditional day, nor in the church. She married my Methodist father in the rectory on a Wednesday in a purple dress!
10:39:16 From Randy Seaver : Presbyterian records added 17 Nov 2016
10:39:56 From Randy Seaver : I use my Added/Updated on Ancestry posts
10:42:04 From Randy Seaver : ah, way down in the left-hand corner is the database ID number
10:42:11 From Randy Seaver : .
10:43:50 From Randy Seaver : That is much easier than my workaround when using the text in the URL didn’t work for me.
10:45:19 From Dave Robison : I’m getting the dbid in the lower left on a PC
10:46:07 From Marcia Philbrick to All panelists : I’m not seeing lower left address! I’m using Chrome
10:46:22 From June Butka : I noticed that pop in the lower left. I wasn’t sure what that meant. Thank you.
10:47:08 From Randy Seaver : I see it using Chrome but Windows 7
10:47:28 From Graham Walter : Good tip Gary!
10:47:32 From DearMYRTLE . : I am using Win 10 and Chrome – both updated
10:47:38 From Marcia Philbrick to All panelists : Do you put the dbid in a citation?
10:48:58 From Valerie Lisk : Paste it in the address bae and don’t hit enter. You will see the dbid.
10:49:31 From June Butka : I missed that Randy Post.
10:50:27 From Randy Seaver : The Genea-Musings post with the list of dbid for some collections is at
10:51:33 From Randy Seaver : Marcia, it might be a good idea to put the dbid in a citation…the number itself shouldn’t change.
10:53:25 From Hilary Gadsby : We use the dbids when linking in an Ancestry citation from WikiTree if the record is not available elsewhere.
10:54:24 From jeannecourval to All panelists : ­­Will this help me with an issue I had a few years ago? I found a record on I could next get to it on ancestry. com even though I knew it should be. If I find the record on can i find the dbid info there and then use that to get to in on [NOTE: FamilySearch does not use DBID, Ancestry does.]
10:56:15 From Randy Seaver : My most recent post about finding dbid is It refers to a May 2018 post at
10:56:36 From Randy Seaver : Sorry for the multi posts, but Ancestry keeps messing us up with changes to their URLs
10:57:13 From jeannecourval to All panelists : But I didn’t find the record on I only found it on
10:57:36 From Randy Seaver : Jeanne no, you can’t find the dbid on FamilySearch – you have to find it on Ancestry.
10:57:41 From jeannecourval to All panelists : OK, I will try that
10:57:48 From June Butka : Randy we appreciate you keeping us up to date. Thank you.
10:59:13 From Randy Seaver : Jeanne, what is the database on FS and the name of the person you want to find?
10:59:28 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : lol
10:59:58 From jeannecourval to All panelists : I will have to check. I haven’t looked for a while.
11:00:14 From Randy Seaver : Jeanne, it sounds like the record on Ancestry was indexed differently than FS
11:00:44 From jeannecourval to All panelists : I agree. I just couldn’t figure out how it might be indexed on ancestry.
11:01:02 From Gary Gauthier : Have you noticed the number in the google URL?
11:01:39 From Randy Seaver : I did notice it, Gary, but it’s probably a link from before the change to text

11:05:32 From Cousin Russ : Family History Fair York
11:05:41 From Hilary Gadsby : I went to the show in York last year
11:06:04 From Randy Seaver : Note that this shows only the Hints that Ancestry has found for person profiles that they have provided Hints for. If your person doesn’t have Hints they won’t show up in the list of Hints for a specific database. Only a search for a specific person will show a result if the profile does not have Hints. Catch 23 here!

11:07:07 From Randy Seaver : Also, Hints only showe up for about 10% of all of Ancestry’s collection, so a search is necessary to find some of the goodies hiding in Ancestry collections.
11:07:11 From Hilary Gadsby : It was very popular when I was there last year
11:07:46 From Hilary Gadsby : Talks were on another floor
11:09:19 From Hilary Gadsby : Dundee
11:10:08 From Sheila Benedict : I have work in Lancashire – is that county represented there?
11:11:42 From Hilary Gadsby : I expect it would be as it is a neighbouring county
11:11:43 From Randy Seaver : or when bloggers can capture attention of a vendor!
11:13:35 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : Wonderful
11:14:12 From Graham Walter : Lancashire had a booth this year
11:15:37 From Geoffrey Cooker : DNA should be part of the mix
11:15:56 From Sheila Benedict : Thank you. I need to contact a genie or history society there. I have been to Preston but it has been some years ago.
11:17:14 From Graham Walter : Lancashire Family History & Heraldry Society
11:18:00 From Pamela Wells :
11:18:08 From Randy Seaver : Remember, law enforcement can use only FamilyTreeDNA and GEDmatch at this time, and GEDmatch just restricted access unless GEDmatch users opt-in

11:19:26 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : Have you heard yet as to My Heritage is going to Live Stream?
11:19:55 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : Yes the list was just released
11:20:43 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : Reclaim
11:20:53 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : AMEN
11:21:20 From Cousin Russ : From Brooke Schroeder Ganz: IT PASSED! The bill to allow adult adoptees access to their own records passed the New York State Assembly today by a vote of 126-2! Just when all seemed lost, and the bill was languishing in the Codes Committee and the remaining hours for this legislative session were running out, your phone calls of support helped finally push the bill forward to Rules Committee and then to the floor of the New York State Assembly. And the bill passed in “overtime” — the legislature was originally supposed to end its session last night at midnight! Thank you to everyone who made the phone call! Thank you for your support! Governor Cuomo has already said that he will sign the bill. This means that starting in January 2020, all New York adoptees over the age of eighteen will be able to get their original and unredacted birth certificates. And if the adoptee is deceased, their descendants can get it. For our friends in the genealogical and historical community, who may be researching their family.

11:22:54 From Cousin Russ :
11:23:02 From Kathleen Daetsch : I just got in touch with cousins whose grandmothers where children of the orphan train
11:25:01 From Kathleen Daetsch : One of my grandmother’s uncles children were put on the orphan train.
11:25:37 From Deb Andrew : Georgia Tann
11:25:46 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : Legacy family Tree Webinars had a Wonderful one on Reclaim your Records
11:25:49 From Kathleen Daetsch : Yes they made a movie about her
11:26:55 From Kathleen Daetsch : the children on the orphan train were not adopted
11:27:42 From Kathleen Daetsch : They were more like forster children.
11:27:48 From Sheila Benedict : Sorry – very interesting but I have to leave. I still have to get caught up since returning from my month in Ireland!! Bye
11:29:09 From Deb Andrew : Diane Elder did an article on my sister-in-law, who was sold by Georgia Train
11:29:26 From Randy Seaver : but Norway has the fjords that go deep into the country – if you could get to the fjord you could go to a port on the ocean.
11:30:22 From Betty-Lu Burton : That is different than here in the USA where mountains were barriers and many did not go around or over them
11:30:35 From Randy Seaver : Linda’s ancestors went to Bergen to sail to America – one group down the river from Voss, one group down the fjord from Sogndal

Virtual Family Reunions
11:33:03 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : DearMYRTLE and Cousin VIRTUAL FAMILY REUNIONS with our host Geoff Rasmussen.

11:33:42 From June Butka : Great job, all.

11:34:02 From Cousin Russ : FAMILY HISTORY RON (Ron Tanner, of FamilySearch Family Tree) We have a live THIS WEEK! You can submit your questions right here: .
11:34:13 From June Butka : He does a great job.
11:34:56 From Cousin Russ :

11:35:57 From Cousin Russ : RootsMagic has added Live Chat to its customer support options. Read about in in The Genealogy Guys Blog at
11:36:22 From Cousin Russ : FGS 2019 Shout Out: Debra A. Hoffman “History & Records of the German Aid Societies (PA, SC, MD, NY.)” German Aid societies helped German-speaking immigrants address grievances and acclimate to their new home in the United States. Learn about the social and economic factors that led to the founding of these societies as well as the history of the four major societies and the types of records available to researchers. Join Debra FRIDAY, AUGUST 23RD at 11:00 AM. And check out her other sessions! Have you registered for FGS 2019 yet?
11:36:24 From John Goodwin to All panelists : Speaking of Wikitree. I joined it recently. Is it just me or do you find the site a little hard to use. It doesn’t seem really user friendly and it seems disjointed.
11:36:47 From June Butka : I wish I felt better about source and citing on wikitree.

11:37:03 From DearMYRTLE : BCG Application Guide (Free download) The BCG Application Guide, provided free of charge, describes the requirements for certification. Digital download only. > View and Download the BCG Application Guide (PDF, Revised 2019, ©BCG)

11:37:28 From Hilary Gadsby : John if you need help message me my Id is Buckle-52
11:39:00 From Deb Andrew to All panelists : Hillary I might take you up on it.
11:39:07 From John Goodwin to All panelists : Thanks Hilary. I hope to catch on. It is just frustrating. Hoping it is just a learning curve issue.
11:39:37 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : ty
11:40:15 From Hilary Gadsby : Don’t forget the hints you get when you first join. If you didn’t receive them let me know
11:40:18 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : thank you
11:40:55 From Molly McKinley : Safe travels
11:41:08 From Kathleen Daetsch : bye

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