ARCHIVED: GreekGen Study Group 2 – Civil & Church Records



Carol Kostakos Petranek is a frequent traveler to Greece. Carol serves as co-director of the Washington, DC Family History Center (in Kensington, Maryland). She also serves as a Citizen Archivist at the National Archives (US) and in the FamilySearch digitization project at the Maryland State Archives.


10:01:54 From Cousin Russ :  UPDATED GreekGen Study Group Google Sheet –
10:02:40 From Cousin Russ : Archived Session 1:
10:03:29 From Cousin Russ : Introduction to Greek Research —

10:05:20 From Cousin Russ : WHERE are DearMYRTLE’s Webinars archived? At MYRT’S MUSINGS

10:07:17 From Cousin Russ : Civil & Church Records in Greece –

10:13:52 From Cousin Russ : Genealogical Proof Standard. In 2000, BCG published The BCG Genealogical Standards Manual —

10:14:42 From Cousin Russ : See also
10:15:07 From Cousin Russ : DearMYRTLE’s The Written Conclusion Study Group videos (based on Chapter 7 of Dr. Thomas W. Jones’ “Mastering Genealogical Proof”) —
10:15:10 From Cousin Russ : .
10:15:52 From Cousin Russ : Hellenic Genealogy Geek Facebook Page –
10:16:51 From Cousin Russ : Hellenic Genealogy Geek Website –

10:18:57 From Cousin Russ : General Archives of Greece website (general) —
10:20:16 From Cousin Russ : General Archives of Greece, Regional Office Locator –
10:21:21 From Cousin Russ : General Archives of Greece, Regional Office Locator –

10:22:01 From Cousin Russ : Family History Research in Greece (pdf book, free) –,_3rd_edition
10:24:19 From Cousin Russ : Dimotologion (Town Register) Column Descriptions —

10:33:35 From Cousin Russ : Mitroon Arrenon (Male Register) Column Descriptions –

10:37:54 From John Manutes to All panelists : What can we expect for cost of these records doing it by snail mail?
10:38:57 From Cousin Russ : General Archives of Greece, Digitized Collections —
10:45:04 From Cousin Russ : UPDATED GreekGen Study Group Google Sheet –
10:47:11 From Gus Kurlas: Carol, we have already tried reading some of these pages from the handwritten Ladas, but the digital photo does not have enough detail. Is there a way to get a higher resolution of these digital pages from the GAK website?
10:49:46 From Cousin Russ : General Archives of Greece website –
10:50:06 From Gus Kurlas: Carol, Thank you. We have tried the Photoshop options, but still have the problem that our eyes are not yet finely-tuned to pick out all the detail on handwritten Greek. We were just hoping for more camera detail. Thanks again!

11:02:09 From Gus Kurlas to All panelists : Carol: Was every dowry contract registered? or were they only left in the office of the Attorney/Notary.
11:03:31 From Cousin Russ : Occupations in Greece, mid-1800’s –
11:03:51 From Cousin Russ : Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America –
11:07:25 From Gus Kurlas to All panelists : Carol: You said you are going for 2 months and will help out in Sparta with records. How hard is it to arrange to help preserve records if we also want to go and help preserve or photograph/scan records for our own region, then how could we do that?
11:08:39 From Cousin Russ : Our Conversation will continue in the DearMYRTLE Genealogy Community –
11:09:52 From basia : Dodacanese were Italian until after WWII
11:10:23 From Suzanne Adams : Is there a gazetteer that you recommend using for finding localities or do you just use a google search? What about older villages or village name changes?
11:10:41 From Suzanne Adams : After how long are records transferred to a regional archive? Are copies of the municipal records made and transferred or is it the original content from the municipality?

11:12:45 From stacey Spanos to All panelists : 4 years ago I went to consulate and they looked at list of family name list. Is that same database I can look up now? That’s what you’ve said today
11:12:50 From Douglas Wallner to All panelists : Dodecanese Islands weren’t united with greece until after WW2
11:13:08 From Jackie Wilson : YEAH!!! For the Q & A sessions!
11:13:59 From Gus Kurlas : Carol: How can we help volunteer to preserve records if we go on an extended trip to Greece?
11:14:02 From Venus Vendoures Walsh: This sounds wonderful! thank you. I am going to Greece this summer to spend time with family and hope to find my paternal grandmother’s side in Piraeus. Have a lovely trip!
11:14:38 From Douglas Wallner to All panelists : Thanks for your help. Awesome info.
11:15:26 From Cousin Russ : Our Conversation will continue in the DearMYRTLE Genealogy Community –
11:15:49 From Karen Tyler to All panelists : Thank you so much. I am off to work on Horfxkia in Crete and Smyrna!
11:15:52 From Cousin Russ : UPDATED GreekGen Study Group Google Sheet –
11:16:05 From James Meares : GREAT Presentation!!!!!!
11:16:37 From Gus Kurlas to All panelists : Thank you, Carol – have appreciated your info on your blog for more than a year now since we found it.
11:16:46 From Susie Haenisch to All panelists : Excellent presentation – so psyched! Thank you, Carol and all . . .
11:17:37 From Venus Vendoures Walsh to All panelists : How do you narrow down which church your family attended?
11:17:39 From basia : Thank you so much again.

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World War II Research and Writing Center: 2018 Course Offerings

NOTE from DearMYRTLE: The following was received from our friend Jennifer Holik, Global Coordinator of the World War II Research & Writing Center,

17 April 2018 – Chicago ,IL & Amstelveen, Netherlands

The World War II Research and Writing Center is pleased to announce the release of three new online courses on our educational website WWII Education. Did you know that the strategies we teach also apply to World War I and Korean War research? When you take our courses, you can apply your new skills and knowledge to multiple research projects.

Finding the Answers: Starting WWII Research
Learn everything you need to know about starting WWII research in nine short lessons with nine handouts. This course presents material all at once to allow you to move through the process as quickly or slowly as you choose. Please see our website for full course information.

Finding the Answers: WWII Research Online
Are you ready to take your online research to a new level? This course, in six modules which drip every 7 days, with numerous handouts, introduces you to:

  • Reasons to research WWII service online.
    • What records may be available online.
    • Techniques to make searching easier.
  • Strategies to help you search the ‘Go-To’ websites for research.
  • A look at library and newspaper websites.
  • Explore military museums, research libraries, and social media sites.
  • An introduction to European research experts and grave adopters.
  • Information on how Americans can work with European researchers to preserve more stories.
  • Where to go to learn more.

Are you ready to start? Please see our website for full course information.

Finding the Answers in the IDPF
Course dates: May 14 – July 16, 2018
The Individual Deceased Personnel File (IDPF) is one of the most important files researchers can obtain for World War II service members who died or are still considered Missing In Action (MIA.) The details contained in these files are more than date of death, cause of death, and locations of burials. We learn about the service history, medical history, family stories and grief, decisions which had to be made by family members, family drama, the inability to recover remains, and sometimes connect with other researchers who have requested the file in the past.

This course will begin on Monday May 14 and run for 10 weeks. You will explore seven extensive modules, which include 27 downloads, case studies, and worksheets. Additionally, you will be given access to an exclusive Facebook Group during the course period plus two additional weeks, in which you can have conversations, share files, and connect with other researchers.

Please see our website for full course information.

We will offer another session this fall. Registration information will be posted in July.



ARCHIVED: Mondays with Myrt – 16 Apr 2018


We went exploring and experimenting today during Mondays with Myrt. Find out about “geo redirection”.

I certainly hope is paying attention, as we came up with a good idea to improve FindAGrave Virtual Cemeteries. So let me hashtag the heck out of this in hopes of getting the developer’s attention. #ancestry #FindAGrave and #have wegotanideaforyou

We were also frustrated when websites such as Ancestry or #FindMyPast have different extensions for countries. In our research and (US version) have more than a different landing page. In the case of the 1911 Census pages, the UK version has a link to instructions for enumerators, not found in the US version. UPDATE: At the time of this post’s publication this appears to have been corrected.


10:00:21 From Melissa Barker : Hello Everyone, listening in from the Houston County, Tennessee Archives!
10:01:03 From Janine Edmée Hakim : Hello and CROAK CROAK happy Spring
10:02:00 From Amy Woods Butler to All panelists : Hi, happy to join you for the first time!
10:02:32 From Hilary Gadsby : Welcome Amy
10:03:21 From Cousin Russ : Happy Blogiversary to Genea-Musings
10:03:40 From Jackie Chalmers : Morning every one!
10:04:10 From Cousin Russ : WHERE are DearMYRTLE’s Webinars archived? At MYRT’S MUSINGS
10:05:35 From Karen Trearchis : You are all our cousins!

10:05:39 From Cousin Russ : Find a Grave as Cousin Bait

NOTE from DearMYRTLE: During this FindAGrave discussion, we attempted to discover how well integrated the “Virtual Cemetery” option is at this point. Sadly, we found virtual cemetery listings don’t show up in the name search hit list, making it harder for researchers to collaborate. Instead the link to my Player Family Virtual Cemetery is sadly buried (pardon the pun) under an individual FindAGrave contributor’s profile – something akin to needing to guess at an email address. On the plus side, Ol’ Myrt here figured if I obtain the URL for my “Virtual Cemetery” I could share that with my cousins.


10:05:41 From Gloria Deison : Morning!! (Afternoon here!) Random: just got 2 books (there are never enough books), translating the titles: “Jewish in the history of Friuli (NE Italy)” and “Margins of freedom: female wills in the Middle Ages” can’t wait to read them… once I’m done with the 10 I’m reading !!
10:06:57 From Randy Seaver to All panelists : I like the Virtual Cemetery idea, will try it out.
10:07:50 From Randy Seaver : I like the Virtual Cemetery idea, will try it out. I’ll put all of my ancesrtor’s FAG memorials in it.
10:10:46 From Yvonne Demoskoff : Creating a Virtual Cemetery would make a good topic for a Wacky Wed. (or video) session
10:10:49 From Bill West : Good morning from soggy Massachusetts
10:11:48 From Deb Andrew : I check who created the memorial and who left flowers.
10:14:30 From Deb Andrew : I’ve been contacted by cousins through the regular part.
10:15:18 From Marian Koalski : I created a virtual cemetery for veterans at a local cemetery … in the days of old Findagrave.
10:15:19 From Michelle Minner: This will be perfect for me! WOW…I have a couple of grandparents that were the first to not be buried at the family plots! good way to show where!
10:15:23 From Hilary Gadsby : I already have a virtual cemetery
10:15:46 From Danine Cozzens : This would be so helpful! New to me.
10:15:53 From Linda Jordan: Didn’t know about it. Definitely will do it.
10:16:21 From Amy Woods Butler to All panelists : Love the virtual cemetery for vets idea!
10:17:11 From Randy Seaver : How do people find a public Virtual Cemetery? Only by a link to it on a website or email? Or will it pop up in a search for a person?
10:18:42 From Marcia Philbrick : Photos on Billion Graves have GPS coordinates associated. Thus, you can pull up a cemetery in Billion Graves and see where the stone is within the cemetery.
10:20:22 From Jackie Chalmers : You could create a virtual tour with Google Earth!

This is the virtual tour I made of my father’s childhood homes up on Queen Anne Hill in Seattle, Washington using Google Maps.


10:21:20 From Randy Seaver : [The FindAGrave Virtual Cemetery] may require a re-indexing overnight or every six months
10:22:29 From Marcia Philbrick : I have an old virtual cemetery. I just searched for one of the members and the Find a Grave search did not find the virtual cemetery. (Duane Gail Crawford)
10:24:50 From Deb Andrew : When you go to the profile page, it will show up there.
10:25:01 From Nancy Mason: what if you search under cemeteries rather than for a person
10:25:58 From Randy Seaver : is there any way to add a Note to a profile in the Virtual Cemetery?
10:27:07 From Marie Andersen: Can Russ search under Cemeteries for Player Cemetery?
10:27:27 From Michelle Entrop I’m going to create a virtual one for my upcoming family history trip to Puerto Rico!
10:31:51 From Geoff Mulholland to All panelists : On the old site the edit screen for the virtual cemetery- at the bottom of the Box says Choosing Yes makes this virtual cemetery visible to Visitors of your contributor page
10:33:41 From Valerie Lisk : Has anyone uploaded their DNA to WikiTree? Is there an advantage over GedMatch?

10:34:00 From DearMYRTLE: WIKI TREE – Are you interested in being a [Clean Up] team captain? Contact Eowyn at
10:34:28 From Randy Seaver to All panelists : How about “Do I Need a Desktop Program?” in
10:34:44 From Linda Jordan to All panelists : I’m not sure what info is shown to everyone when uploading DNA to WikiTree — can someone explain the process and what info is shown to all?
10:34:47 From Geoff Mulholland: I can see DearMYRTLE’s Player Family [Virtual] Cemetery by viewing the DearMYRTLE Profile page even on the new site
10:35:19 From Randy Seaver: Or a discussion of accessing Land Records using FamilySearch digital microfilm – I wrote last week
10:39:25 From Deb Andrew : I think you can link it to
10:42:12 From Randy Seaver : Linda, I also added links to my autosomal DNA tests on Ancestry, 23andMe, FTDNA and GEDMatch.
10:42:29 From Deb Andrew : You can link your DNA results to Wiki Tree to Gedmatch.
10:44:33 From Hilary Gadsby : The map search in 1939 register works well if you put in enough information
10:56:02 From Hilary Gadsby : Facebook groups can have lots of photographs but not always sure that they are all free to use
10:57:09 From Amy Woods Butler : I have clients draw a map of the important places in their home town, like the walk to school, movie theater, church, etc.
10:59:36 From Deb Andrew : Go back a little to Wiki Tree, if you say where you tested and have a kit number from Gedmatch, it will show your Wiki Tree. You do need to select under settings to display with an alias and show other choices, but you do need to check it for it to link.


IMAGE: By Valentines Series – old postcard, Public Domain,

11:00:23 From Karen Trearchis : I been to Victoria station back in 1971.
11:01:33 From Karen Trearchis : I wonder what it Victoria Station looked like in 1971, I don’t remember.

11:05:36 From Cousin Russ : From Tony Proctor — The automatic changing of, say, to, is a country-based redirection, often called “geo redirection”. If you’re in the US then it assumes you want the US site — not a wise decision where genealogy is concerned. When I visit when I’m resident in Ireland then it at least asks me to confirm whether I want the UK or IE site. You’ll find does a redirection and it can be very frustrating when you’re travelling. However, they have an option you can add to the URL to prevent it: where the “ncr” stands for “no country redirect”. It is possible to fake your country (using a proxy to set a different IP address) but it’s too complicated and messy for most of us. Genealogy sites that do this need to think about providing an override, or just not doing it at all.

11:10:22 From Yvonne Demoskoff : Myrt: Canadians (and .ca) are usually friendlier and accommodating 🙂
11:11:18 From DearMYRTLE : 🙂
11:13:14 From June Butka : It did not redirect me. I used chrome and
11:14:03 From Michelle Minner to All panelists : Windows 10 – using Chrome…I was able to go to
11:14:12 From Melinda Culpon to All panelists : Could be going by your ISP number
11:14:38 From Deb Andrew : I used Firefox, Windows 10 and it went to Ancestry CA
11:14:52 From Barbara Gressel : I have an Ancestry world membership and it just takes me right to the other country. I don’t get the sign-in screen.
11:15:10 From Geoff Mulholland : I always have this problem with Ancestry, being forced to , sometimes it works, sometimes it does not, I try to use a VPN, and even that does not always work, but mostly helps
11:15:12 From June Butka : Go to History the the menu, then clear all
11:15:27 From June Butka : Left of setting the lines
11:16:06 From Molly McKinley to All panelists : More tools, then you find it there (Chrome)
11:16:17 From June Butka : Click the history afterwards go to the left of the page to the lines drop down
11:16:30 From Jackie Wilson : Under advanced/privacy & security – the last item is “clear browsing data.
11:16:46 From June Butka : Click history not that drop down
11:17:15 From Jackie Wilson : Click on the arrow and it will have clear data button
11:17:29 From June Butka : Same here Hilary.
11:17:30 From Barbara Gressel : I”m on Chrome with Windows 10 and it works fine for me also.
11:17:38 From Randy Seaver : you know, some things are tech-proof…
11:20:45 From Deb Andrew : You need to sign in.
11:20:54 From Michelle Minner Look at that line that tells you that it will redirect in 10 seconds…!!!!! you waited too long to click anything.
11:21:28 From Karen Trearchis : I was able to get to & uk using my browser Safari.
11:22:21 From Paprika Peppercorn to All panelists : I went to and a pop up window advised me to not go to but to go to but, allowed me to go to
11:22:37 From Karen Trearchis : My findmypast shows the same screen as Pat.

11:23:05 From Cousin Russ : Randy Seaver’s Accessing Land Records using FamilySearch digital 

masslr-07microfilm –

NOTE from DearMYRTLE: How did Randy get to this image when the record set has not gone through FamilySearch Indexing? You’ll want to follow his screen shots and step-by-step directions for navigating such a record set.

11:24:28 From Karen Trearchis : I just got on
11:25:22 From Jackie Wilson : I entered and logged in and stayed in Canada! Using google chrome

11:28:35 From Tony Proctor: Re: 1911 census, best not to search their ‘census’ category (too general). Select ‘Search A-Z of Record sets’, type 1911 and select the census option. Street address was ‘Fairholme Terrace’, County Nottinghamshire, Surname: Bradbury


US Version

Tony Proctor, you will be happy to note BOTH the US and UK versions of the 1911 England/Wales census on FindMyPast have links to the Enumerator’s Summary Book Images (RG 78). A month ago “related images” were not available via the US site as we had sadly discovered and discussed during Mondays with Myrt.

11:31:58 From June Butka : I’ve been using the Catalog. There are almost new images weekly. I know that a birth record from two weeks ago I had to go the the FHL. This week it was available on line via the catalog.

11:32:10 From Karen Trearchis : thanks Randy.
11:35:27 From June Butka :
11:39:13 From June Butka : Thank you.
11:39:33 From June Butka : Delayed entry birth record.
11:39:47 From Cousin Russ : Julie Cahill Tarr
11:43:39 From June Butka : I’m seeing the screen.
11:45:04 From June Butka : Well done all. Thank you.
11:45:10 From Cousin Russ : Our conversation continues in the DearMYRTLE Genealogy Community —
11:45:16 From Randy Seaver : so “Online” does not include the digitized records not on the Historical Record Collections list?
11:46:25 From Randy Seaver : Um, that was poorly worded. “Online” does not include the digitized microfilm in the Catalog that are not yet in Historical Record Collections.
11:46:44 From Cousin Russ : WHERE are DearMYRTLE’s Webinars archived? At MYRT’S MUSINGS
11:48:46 From Geoff Mulholland : Thank you

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