Mondays with Myrt – 24 June 2019


Hilary spotlights WikiTree’s Connect A-Thon, while Gary brings up the technical topic of Ancestry’s DBID (database IDs) disappearing from the address bar. We discuss the advisability of working all possible ancestors through one database at a time, Graham reports on the York Family History Fair. We note RootsMagic is adding live chat tech support. Yvonne notes Canada is taking it’s first cold case to trial with the DNA/genealogy techniques being utilized in the US. We applaud New York State for opening adoption records to adult adoptees.



09:41:52 From Pat Kuhn  :

09:43:12 From DearMYRTLE : This is the USB headset Dave Robison likes.

09:49:15 From Graham Walter : Family History Fair York

Photos from York fair
09:59:47 From Yvonne Demoskof :

10:01:23 From Graham Walter : Hello everyone from London
10:01:47 From Bill West to All panelists : Good morning from sunny Massachusetts!
10:01:49 From Sheryl Zeringue to All panelists : Hello from hot South Louisiana.
10:01:50 From Betty-Lu Burton : hi everyone
10:03:03 From Sheila Benedict : Hello from Central California – nice weather here.
10:03:10 From Launa : I’m at salt lake FamilySearch lib scanning my grandfather’s pix
10:03:35 From June Butka : Hello, from Southern New Hampshire., United States.
10:04:14 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : Hello from Northern California in the Sierra Nevadas…cool day so far.
10:04:14 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : Hello from Levittown, Pennsylvania : )
10:04:19 From Robbin Smith to All panelists : hiya from Miami!
10:05:25 From Mary Lou Gravatt : Hi from New Jersey, USA
10:05:44 From JoAnn Lawrence : Hello from West New Jersey

10:06:10 From Geoffrey Cooker : Hello from Shabbona, Illinois
10:08:29 From Randy Seaver  : Here is the link to the photo Socks company –

10:08:52 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : LOL
10:09:11 From Pamela Wells : My name is Pamela ROBERSON Wells and my family was from Virginia, West Virginia, North Carolina & Ohio
10:11:27 From Betty-Lu Burton : My grandmother’s father spelled his name Hawk, she and her siblings spelled it Hawke. I have not idea why the e was added
10:12:16 From Molly McKinley : One of my Hames lines changed their name to Haynes due to a falling out with one of the brothers in that generation.
10:13:24 From Deb Andrew : My great was. Robson.
10:13:51 From Pamela Wells : Absolutely NO I don’t have the same spellings through every Census… family’s name: ROBERSON, were ROBER(T)SON, ROBINSON, ROBESON, ROBISON, etc. Even within the family our family there are differences…. Laughing out loud
10:13:55 From Launa : my grandmother was Hancks Hanks
10:14:04 From Randy Seaver : Ideally, the records all have the same spelling of the name. The Rosanna Lanfear War of 1812 pension application got bogged down because the soldier enlisted as Lamfear and Lamifear, and the pension dept couldn’t connect the two for years.
10:14:13 From ERIC COOK to All panelists : Hi from Iowa!
10:14:49 From Rachel Evans : my great-grandfather changed the name from Macken to Mackin due to not wanting to be associated with a funeral home. Oddly he ended up building caskets for a living.
10:15:41 From Pamela Wells : In my D.A.R. membership, I found my family McDORMAN with a cousin’s family whose brothers spelled their names differently who spelled McDERMENT! Rumor was the family didn’t like one another!
10:16:25 From Geoffrey Cooker to All panelists : What do you think of the theory that names, especially as applied in later life, used the spelling of what the ancestor felt was the most prominent document, ie, a will or military discharge…
10:16:46 From Kathleen Daetsch : My O’Bryon line has many different spellings I think it was to try to keep them streight because so many of them have the same first name and they lived in a small community.
10:17:54 From Gary Gauthier : There is a funeral home in Orangeville, Ontario that is called Butchers. How strange.
10:18:48 From Bill West to All panelists : My Ellingwood relativess spelled it Ellinwood, Ellenwood, Allenwod, and one Ellwood.
10:18:48 From Betty-Lu Burton : My Huyck were educated people from the 1600’s on and spelled their name Huyck since 1700. I always know when they spelled the name and when someone else misspelled the name.
10:18:52 From Pamela Wells : For D.A.R we had to find a Chancery suit that was filed and prove it in that manner.
10:18:57 From Sheila Benedict : When my great grandfather and grandfather came to America Illegially through Canada in 1893, he changed the surname to Klein because he met someone with that name. I have NO relations with that name.
10:19:12 From Geoffrey Cooker to All panelists : The King/Koenig example is an excellent observation
10:19:52 From Randy Seaver : I have the Konig/King line in York PA. They switched to King in about 1800
10:19:55 From June Butka : I make a comment section of the ancestors profile page. Dated. with source/s. I add what I see. AKA notation.
10:20:16 From Betty-Lu Burton : For Liv. Some of my Norwegian immigrants took the farm name and some of the siblings took the patronmics of the father
10:20:47 From Geoffrey Cooker to All panelists : There is a good example of this with the British royal family…Battenburg to Mountbatten…
10:21:17 From Dave Robison to All panelists : Randy, That’s exactly when “my” Konig changed their name, the generation directly after the Patriot. By the way, they were from Pennsylvania!
10:21:20 From jeannecourval to All panelists : I had the issue that it isn’t always the person who is mispelling their name. I found so many variations of one of my family names – mastifeed, mustapha, mustifpher These are all the ways it was found in census records. It think these were ways that the census takers thought the name was spelled.
10:21:26 From Randy Seaver : I add each name variation in my RootsMagic profile and add the source. We have this discussion in every one of my Beginning Computer Genealogy classes at OASIS and CVGS. It’s not unusual for there to be 5 to 10 different names in the records for a person.
10:21:36 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : That is why, researching is never finalized.
10:22:05 From June Butka : I do the same as Cousin Russ. It is a name fact.
10:22:38 From Hilary Gadsby : The problems are even worse when a totally different name is recorded and you have to prove it is the same person.
10:22:38 From Liv Christensen : In Norway and among American emigrants from Norway, you have the same “problem”, Betty Lu. So the discussion is very valid for us too.
10:22:45 From Marcia Philbrick to All panelists : My 2nd great grandfather is Washington Crawford in some records and Marion Crawford in other records. Even his civil war records have his name listed both ways. Figuring out that they are the same person is difficult! Cousin Russ’ use of name fact is a great way to document. I’m also trying to go back and add a ‘comment’ to the person on my Ancestry tree (as suggested by Crista Cowan).
10:22:52 From Betty-Lu Burton : I put it as an alternate name unless I know their was an actual name change
10:23:13 From June Butka : A timeline is also done if they look like two people.
10:23:17 From Randy Seaver : I use alternate names as a name fact.
10:23:18 From jeannecourval to All panelists : If I have a birth record or a death record, I usually use one of those. For the others, I use as alternatives names.
10:24:00 From Leah Smith : Affidavit from parish priest was needed to explain name differences, due to dit names. two married names, both of which were Anglicized from French. I use name fact for each name and add notes.
10:24:04 From Robbin Smith : Now I am grateful to be a Smith!
10:24:14 From marian koalski : I think everyone probably has a horror story about missing a key record due to an alternate spelling that was missed
10:26:02 From Gary Gauthier : I have a great aunt who was born Augusta Ethleen Wells, but always went by Addie Wells.
10:26:07 From Sheila Benedict : I live and worked in area with a very large Danish community. They are very specific that the ending of the name is sEn. If anyone has sOn, they are usually not Davish = at least not here.
10:26:15 From Hilary Gadsby : I could not find a birth for my 2xgt grandmother as she was registered with a different first name.

10:26:50 From Bill West to All panelists : I thought my ears were burning a while ago!
10:26:51 From Cousin Russ : Great advice from Bill West about using tags in your Ancestry Member Tree. 🤗 “Making Lists with Ancestry’s Tree MyTreeTags”

10:26:58 From Sheila Benedict : Danish not Davish – sorry
10:27:27 From Bill West to All panelists : Thank you!
10:27:34 From June Butka : I love the Hypothesis and verified tags.
10:28:21 From jeannecourval to All panelists : was that info – it was too quick for me to copy
10:28:27 From Cousin Russ :
10:29:41 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : Yes
10:30:18 From June Butka : Many have a rainbow wedding from the time. I was the pink dress in my sister wedding.
10:33:05 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : Good to know about the new record release
10:35:59 From June Butka : FYI. The Town of Sutton is doing a five generation of who lived in your home. A new way to look a family genealogy.
10:36:24 From June Butka : New Hampshire.
10:36:52 From Dave Robison : June, Sutton Massachusetts??
10:37:07 From Dave Robison : New Hampshire…thanks!
10:37:20 From Randy Seaver : June, how are they doing it? From census records, land records, directories?
10:37:50 From June Butka : I was not able to stand up for my sister or my Best Friend for their catholic marriages.
10:38:32 From Dave Robison : My mother wasn’t allowed to wear white, get married on Saturday the traditional day, nor in the church. She married my Methodist father in the rectory on a Wednesday in a purple dress!
10:39:16 From Randy Seaver : Presbyterian records added 17 Nov 2016
10:39:56 From Randy Seaver : I use my Added/Updated on Ancestry posts
10:42:04 From Randy Seaver : ah, way down in the left-hand corner is the database ID number
10:42:11 From Randy Seaver : .
10:43:50 From Randy Seaver : That is much easier than my workaround when using the text in the URL didn’t work for me.
10:45:19 From Dave Robison : I’m getting the dbid in the lower left on a PC
10:46:07 From Marcia Philbrick to All panelists : I’m not seeing lower left address! I’m using Chrome
10:46:22 From June Butka : I noticed that pop in the lower left. I wasn’t sure what that meant. Thank you.
10:47:08 From Randy Seaver : I see it using Chrome but Windows 7
10:47:28 From Graham Walter : Good tip Gary!
10:47:32 From DearMYRTLE . : I am using Win 10 and Chrome – both updated
10:47:38 From Marcia Philbrick to All panelists : Do you put the dbid in a citation?
10:48:58 From Valerie Lisk : Paste it in the address bae and don’t hit enter. You will see the dbid.
10:49:31 From June Butka : I missed that Randy Post.
10:50:27 From Randy Seaver : The Genea-Musings post with the list of dbid for some collections is at
10:51:33 From Randy Seaver : Marcia, it might be a good idea to put the dbid in a citation…the number itself shouldn’t change.
10:53:25 From Hilary Gadsby : We use the dbids when linking in an Ancestry citation from WikiTree if the record is not available elsewhere.
10:54:24 From jeannecourval to All panelists : ­­Will this help me with an issue I had a few years ago? I found a record on I could next get to it on ancestry. com even though I knew it should be. If I find the record on can i find the dbid info there and then use that to get to in on [NOTE: FamilySearch does not use DBID, Ancestry does.]
10:56:15 From Randy Seaver : My most recent post about finding dbid is It refers to a May 2018 post at
10:56:36 From Randy Seaver : Sorry for the multi posts, but Ancestry keeps messing us up with changes to their URLs
10:57:13 From jeannecourval to All panelists : But I didn’t find the record on I only found it on
10:57:36 From Randy Seaver : Jeanne no, you can’t find the dbid on FamilySearch – you have to find it on Ancestry.
10:57:41 From jeannecourval to All panelists : OK, I will try that
10:57:48 From June Butka : Randy we appreciate you keeping us up to date. Thank you.
10:59:13 From Randy Seaver : Jeanne, what is the database on FS and the name of the person you want to find?
10:59:28 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : lol
10:59:58 From jeannecourval to All panelists : I will have to check. I haven’t looked for a while.
11:00:14 From Randy Seaver : Jeanne, it sounds like the record on Ancestry was indexed differently than FS
11:00:44 From jeannecourval to All panelists : I agree. I just couldn’t figure out how it might be indexed on ancestry.
11:01:02 From Gary Gauthier : Have you noticed the number in the google URL?
11:01:39 From Randy Seaver : I did notice it, Gary, but it’s probably a link from before the change to text

11:05:32 From Cousin Russ : Family History Fair York
11:05:41 From Hilary Gadsby : I went to the show in York last year
11:06:04 From Randy Seaver : Note that this shows only the Hints that Ancestry has found for person profiles that they have provided Hints for. If your person doesn’t have Hints they won’t show up in the list of Hints for a specific database. Only a search for a specific person will show a result if the profile does not have Hints. Catch 23 here!

11:07:07 From Randy Seaver : Also, Hints only showe up for about 10% of all of Ancestry’s collection, so a search is necessary to find some of the goodies hiding in Ancestry collections.
11:07:11 From Hilary Gadsby : It was very popular when I was there last year
11:07:46 From Hilary Gadsby : Talks were on another floor
11:09:19 From Hilary Gadsby : Dundee
11:10:08 From Sheila Benedict : I have work in Lancashire – is that county represented there?
11:11:42 From Hilary Gadsby : I expect it would be as it is a neighbouring county
11:11:43 From Randy Seaver : or when bloggers can capture attention of a vendor!
11:13:35 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : Wonderful
11:14:12 From Graham Walter : Lancashire had a booth this year
11:15:37 From Geoffrey Cooker : DNA should be part of the mix
11:15:56 From Sheila Benedict : Thank you. I need to contact a genie or history society there. I have been to Preston but it has been some years ago.
11:17:14 From Graham Walter : Lancashire Family History & Heraldry Society
11:18:00 From Pamela Wells :
11:18:08 From Randy Seaver : Remember, law enforcement can use only FamilyTreeDNA and GEDmatch at this time, and GEDmatch just restricted access unless GEDmatch users opt-in

11:19:26 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : Have you heard yet as to My Heritage is going to Live Stream?
11:19:55 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : Yes the list was just released
11:20:43 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : Reclaim
11:20:53 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : AMEN
11:21:20 From Cousin Russ : From Brooke Schroeder Ganz: IT PASSED! The bill to allow adult adoptees access to their own records passed the New York State Assembly today by a vote of 126-2! Just when all seemed lost, and the bill was languishing in the Codes Committee and the remaining hours for this legislative session were running out, your phone calls of support helped finally push the bill forward to Rules Committee and then to the floor of the New York State Assembly. And the bill passed in “overtime” — the legislature was originally supposed to end its session last night at midnight! Thank you to everyone who made the phone call! Thank you for your support! Governor Cuomo has already said that he will sign the bill. This means that starting in January 2020, all New York adoptees over the age of eighteen will be able to get their original and unredacted birth certificates. And if the adoptee is deceased, their descendants can get it. For our friends in the genealogical and historical community, who may be researching their family.

11:22:54 From Cousin Russ :
11:23:02 From Kathleen Daetsch : I just got in touch with cousins whose grandmothers where children of the orphan train
11:25:01 From Kathleen Daetsch : One of my grandmother’s uncles children were put on the orphan train.
11:25:37 From Deb Andrew : Georgia Tann
11:25:46 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : Legacy family Tree Webinars had a Wonderful one on Reclaim your Records
11:25:49 From Kathleen Daetsch : Yes they made a movie about her
11:26:55 From Kathleen Daetsch : the children on the orphan train were not adopted
11:27:42 From Kathleen Daetsch : They were more like forster children.
11:27:48 From Sheila Benedict : Sorry – very interesting but I have to leave. I still have to get caught up since returning from my month in Ireland!! Bye
11:29:09 From Deb Andrew : Diane Elder did an article on my sister-in-law, who was sold by Georgia Train
11:29:26 From Randy Seaver : but Norway has the fjords that go deep into the country – if you could get to the fjord you could go to a port on the ocean.
11:30:22 From Betty-Lu Burton : That is different than here in the USA where mountains were barriers and many did not go around or over them
11:30:35 From Randy Seaver : Linda’s ancestors went to Bergen to sail to America – one group down the river from Voss, one group down the fjord from Sogndal

Virtual Family Reunions
11:33:03 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : DearMYRTLE and Cousin VIRTUAL FAMILY REUNIONS with our host Geoff Rasmussen.

11:33:42 From June Butka : Great job, all.

11:34:02 From Cousin Russ : FAMILY HISTORY RON (Ron Tanner, of FamilySearch Family Tree) We have a live THIS WEEK! You can submit your questions right here: .
11:34:13 From June Butka : He does a great job.
11:34:56 From Cousin Russ :

11:35:57 From Cousin Russ : RootsMagic has added Live Chat to its customer support options. Read about in in The Genealogy Guys Blog at
11:36:22 From Cousin Russ : FGS 2019 Shout Out: Debra A. Hoffman “History & Records of the German Aid Societies (PA, SC, MD, NY.)” German Aid societies helped German-speaking immigrants address grievances and acclimate to their new home in the United States. Learn about the social and economic factors that led to the founding of these societies as well as the history of the four major societies and the types of records available to researchers. Join Debra FRIDAY, AUGUST 23RD at 11:00 AM. And check out her other sessions! Have you registered for FGS 2019 yet?
11:36:24 From John Goodwin to All panelists : Speaking of Wikitree. I joined it recently. Is it just me or do you find the site a little hard to use. It doesn’t seem really user friendly and it seems disjointed.
11:36:47 From June Butka : I wish I felt better about source and citing on wikitree.

11:37:03 From DearMYRTLE : BCG Application Guide (Free download) The BCG Application Guide, provided free of charge, describes the requirements for certification. Digital download only. > View and Download the BCG Application Guide (PDF, Revised 2019, ©BCG)

11:37:28 From Hilary Gadsby : John if you need help message me my Id is Buckle-52
11:39:00 From Deb Andrew to All panelists : Hillary I might take you up on it.
11:39:07 From John Goodwin to All panelists : Thanks Hilary. I hope to catch on. It is just frustrating. Hoping it is just a learning curve issue.
11:39:37 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : ty
11:40:15 From Hilary Gadsby : Don’t forget the hints you get when you first join. If you didn’t receive them let me know
11:40:18 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : thank you
11:40:55 From Molly McKinley : Safe travels
11:41:08 From Kathleen Daetsch : bye

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ARCHIVED: Mondays with Myrt – 16 Apr 2018


We went exploring and experimenting today during Mondays with Myrt. Find out about “geo redirection”.

I certainly hope is paying attention, as we came up with a good idea to improve FindAGrave Virtual Cemeteries. So let me hashtag the heck out of this in hopes of getting the developer’s attention. #ancestry #FindAGrave and #have wegotanideaforyou

We were also frustrated when websites such as Ancestry or #FindMyPast have different extensions for countries. In our research and (US version) have more than a different landing page. In the case of the 1911 Census pages, the UK version has a link to instructions for enumerators, not found in the US version. UPDATE: At the time of this post’s publication this appears to have been corrected.


10:00:21 From Melissa Barker : Hello Everyone, listening in from the Houston County, Tennessee Archives!
10:01:03 From Janine Edmée Hakim : Hello and CROAK CROAK happy Spring
10:02:00 From Amy Woods Butler to All panelists : Hi, happy to join you for the first time!
10:02:32 From Hilary Gadsby : Welcome Amy
10:03:21 From Cousin Russ : Happy Blogiversary to Genea-Musings
10:03:40 From Jackie Chalmers : Morning every one!
10:04:10 From Cousin Russ : WHERE are DearMYRTLE’s Webinars archived? At MYRT’S MUSINGS
10:05:35 From Karen Trearchis : You are all our cousins!

10:05:39 From Cousin Russ : Find a Grave as Cousin Bait

NOTE from DearMYRTLE: During this FindAGrave discussion, we attempted to discover how well integrated the “Virtual Cemetery” option is at this point. Sadly, we found virtual cemetery listings don’t show up in the name search hit list, making it harder for researchers to collaborate. Instead the link to my Player Family Virtual Cemetery is sadly buried (pardon the pun) under an individual FindAGrave contributor’s profile – something akin to needing to guess at an email address. On the plus side, Ol’ Myrt here figured if I obtain the URL for my “Virtual Cemetery” I could share that with my cousins.


10:05:41 From Gloria Deison : Morning!! (Afternoon here!) Random: just got 2 books (there are never enough books), translating the titles: “Jewish in the history of Friuli (NE Italy)” and “Margins of freedom: female wills in the Middle Ages” can’t wait to read them… once I’m done with the 10 I’m reading !!
10:06:57 From Randy Seaver to All panelists : I like the Virtual Cemetery idea, will try it out.
10:07:50 From Randy Seaver : I like the Virtual Cemetery idea, will try it out. I’ll put all of my ancesrtor’s FAG memorials in it.
10:10:46 From Yvonne Demoskoff : Creating a Virtual Cemetery would make a good topic for a Wacky Wed. (or video) session
10:10:49 From Bill West : Good morning from soggy Massachusetts
10:11:48 From Deb Andrew : I check who created the memorial and who left flowers.
10:14:30 From Deb Andrew : I’ve been contacted by cousins through the regular part.
10:15:18 From Marian Koalski : I created a virtual cemetery for veterans at a local cemetery … in the days of old Findagrave.
10:15:19 From Michelle Minner: This will be perfect for me! WOW…I have a couple of grandparents that were the first to not be buried at the family plots! good way to show where!
10:15:23 From Hilary Gadsby : I already have a virtual cemetery
10:15:46 From Danine Cozzens : This would be so helpful! New to me.
10:15:53 From Linda Jordan: Didn’t know about it. Definitely will do it.
10:16:21 From Amy Woods Butler to All panelists : Love the virtual cemetery for vets idea!
10:17:11 From Randy Seaver : How do people find a public Virtual Cemetery? Only by a link to it on a website or email? Or will it pop up in a search for a person?
10:18:42 From Marcia Philbrick : Photos on Billion Graves have GPS coordinates associated. Thus, you can pull up a cemetery in Billion Graves and see where the stone is within the cemetery.
10:20:22 From Jackie Chalmers : You could create a virtual tour with Google Earth!

This is the virtual tour I made of my father’s childhood homes up on Queen Anne Hill in Seattle, Washington using Google Maps.


10:21:20 From Randy Seaver : [The FindAGrave Virtual Cemetery] may require a re-indexing overnight or every six months
10:22:29 From Marcia Philbrick : I have an old virtual cemetery. I just searched for one of the members and the Find a Grave search did not find the virtual cemetery. (Duane Gail Crawford)
10:24:50 From Deb Andrew : When you go to the profile page, it will show up there.
10:25:01 From Nancy Mason: what if you search under cemeteries rather than for a person
10:25:58 From Randy Seaver : is there any way to add a Note to a profile in the Virtual Cemetery?
10:27:07 From Marie Andersen: Can Russ search under Cemeteries for Player Cemetery?
10:27:27 From Michelle Entrop I’m going to create a virtual one for my upcoming family history trip to Puerto Rico!
10:31:51 From Geoff Mulholland to All panelists : On the old site the edit screen for the virtual cemetery- at the bottom of the Box says Choosing Yes makes this virtual cemetery visible to Visitors of your contributor page
10:33:41 From Valerie Lisk : Has anyone uploaded their DNA to WikiTree? Is there an advantage over GedMatch?

10:34:00 From DearMYRTLE: WIKI TREE – Are you interested in being a [Clean Up] team captain? Contact Eowyn at
10:34:28 From Randy Seaver to All panelists : How about “Do I Need a Desktop Program?” in
10:34:44 From Linda Jordan to All panelists : I’m not sure what info is shown to everyone when uploading DNA to WikiTree — can someone explain the process and what info is shown to all?
10:34:47 From Geoff Mulholland: I can see DearMYRTLE’s Player Family [Virtual] Cemetery by viewing the DearMYRTLE Profile page even on the new site
10:35:19 From Randy Seaver: Or a discussion of accessing Land Records using FamilySearch digital microfilm – I wrote last week
10:39:25 From Deb Andrew : I think you can link it to
10:42:12 From Randy Seaver : Linda, I also added links to my autosomal DNA tests on Ancestry, 23andMe, FTDNA and GEDMatch.
10:42:29 From Deb Andrew : You can link your DNA results to Wiki Tree to Gedmatch.
10:44:33 From Hilary Gadsby : The map search in 1939 register works well if you put in enough information
10:56:02 From Hilary Gadsby : Facebook groups can have lots of photographs but not always sure that they are all free to use
10:57:09 From Amy Woods Butler : I have clients draw a map of the important places in their home town, like the walk to school, movie theater, church, etc.
10:59:36 From Deb Andrew : Go back a little to Wiki Tree, if you say where you tested and have a kit number from Gedmatch, it will show your Wiki Tree. You do need to select under settings to display with an alias and show other choices, but you do need to check it for it to link.


IMAGE: By Valentines Series – old postcard, Public Domain,

11:00:23 From Karen Trearchis : I been to Victoria station back in 1971.
11:01:33 From Karen Trearchis : I wonder what it Victoria Station looked like in 1971, I don’t remember.

11:05:36 From Cousin Russ : From Tony Proctor — The automatic changing of, say, to, is a country-based redirection, often called “geo redirection”. If you’re in the US then it assumes you want the US site — not a wise decision where genealogy is concerned. When I visit when I’m resident in Ireland then it at least asks me to confirm whether I want the UK or IE site. You’ll find does a redirection and it can be very frustrating when you’re travelling. However, they have an option you can add to the URL to prevent it: where the “ncr” stands for “no country redirect”. It is possible to fake your country (using a proxy to set a different IP address) but it’s too complicated and messy for most of us. Genealogy sites that do this need to think about providing an override, or just not doing it at all.

11:10:22 From Yvonne Demoskoff : Myrt: Canadians (and .ca) are usually friendlier and accommodating 🙂
11:11:18 From DearMYRTLE : 🙂
11:13:14 From June Butka : It did not redirect me. I used chrome and
11:14:03 From Michelle Minner to All panelists : Windows 10 – using Chrome…I was able to go to
11:14:12 From Melinda Culpon to All panelists : Could be going by your ISP number
11:14:38 From Deb Andrew : I used Firefox, Windows 10 and it went to Ancestry CA
11:14:52 From Barbara Gressel : I have an Ancestry world membership and it just takes me right to the other country. I don’t get the sign-in screen.
11:15:10 From Geoff Mulholland : I always have this problem with Ancestry, being forced to , sometimes it works, sometimes it does not, I try to use a VPN, and even that does not always work, but mostly helps
11:15:12 From June Butka : Go to History the the menu, then clear all
11:15:27 From June Butka : Left of setting the lines
11:16:06 From Molly McKinley to All panelists : More tools, then you find it there (Chrome)
11:16:17 From June Butka : Click the history afterwards go to the left of the page to the lines drop down
11:16:30 From Jackie Wilson : Under advanced/privacy & security – the last item is “clear browsing data.
11:16:46 From June Butka : Click history not that drop down
11:17:15 From Jackie Wilson : Click on the arrow and it will have clear data button
11:17:29 From June Butka : Same here Hilary.
11:17:30 From Barbara Gressel : I”m on Chrome with Windows 10 and it works fine for me also.
11:17:38 From Randy Seaver : you know, some things are tech-proof…
11:20:45 From Deb Andrew : You need to sign in.
11:20:54 From Michelle Minner Look at that line that tells you that it will redirect in 10 seconds…!!!!! you waited too long to click anything.
11:21:28 From Karen Trearchis : I was able to get to & uk using my browser Safari.
11:22:21 From Paprika Peppercorn to All panelists : I went to and a pop up window advised me to not go to but to go to but, allowed me to go to
11:22:37 From Karen Trearchis : My findmypast shows the same screen as Pat.

11:23:05 From Cousin Russ : Randy Seaver’s Accessing Land Records using FamilySearch digital 

masslr-07microfilm –

NOTE from DearMYRTLE: How did Randy get to this image when the record set has not gone through FamilySearch Indexing? You’ll want to follow his screen shots and step-by-step directions for navigating such a record set.

11:24:28 From Karen Trearchis : I just got on
11:25:22 From Jackie Wilson : I entered and logged in and stayed in Canada! Using google chrome

11:28:35 From Tony Proctor: Re: 1911 census, best not to search their ‘census’ category (too general). Select ‘Search A-Z of Record sets’, type 1911 and select the census option. Street address was ‘Fairholme Terrace’, County Nottinghamshire, Surname: Bradbury


US Version

Tony Proctor, you will be happy to note BOTH the US and UK versions of the 1911 England/Wales census on FindMyPast have links to the Enumerator’s Summary Book Images (RG 78). A month ago “related images” were not available via the US site as we had sadly discovered and discussed during Mondays with Myrt.

11:31:58 From June Butka : I’ve been using the Catalog. There are almost new images weekly. I know that a birth record from two weeks ago I had to go the the FHL. This week it was available on line via the catalog.

11:32:10 From Karen Trearchis : thanks Randy.
11:35:27 From June Butka :
11:39:13 From June Butka : Thank you.
11:39:33 From June Butka : Delayed entry birth record.
11:39:47 From Cousin Russ : Julie Cahill Tarr
11:43:39 From June Butka : I’m seeing the screen.
11:45:04 From June Butka : Well done all. Thank you.
11:45:10 From Cousin Russ : Our conversation continues in the DearMYRTLE Genealogy Community —
11:45:16 From Randy Seaver : so “Online” does not include the digitized records not on the Historical Record Collections list?
11:46:25 From Randy Seaver : Um, that was poorly worded. “Online” does not include the digitized microfilm in the Catalog that are not yet in Historical Record Collections.
11:46:44 From Cousin Russ : WHERE are DearMYRTLE’s Webinars archived? At MYRT’S MUSINGS
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ARCHIVED: Mondays with Myrt – 19 Mar 2018

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Powerful breakthroughs happen during Mondays with Myrt, our flagship webinar, held most weeks of the year. We talk about anything and everything that’s come across our genea-desks during the past week. Today’s episode includes:

  • Old Maps Online
  • FieldTripper
  • How we may react to communications from a potential cousin.
  • Building society membership, including the use of PayPal processing of membership fees.
  • A problem with how handles UK registration districts with multiple words in the name.
  • The General Data Protection Act (May 2018)


 Old Maps Online 

00:36:57 Cousin Russ: Old Maps Online
00:37:47 Betty-Lu Burton: That is neat
00:37:57 Robbin Smith: yes
00:40:47 Sheryl Whisenhunt: Another resource to follow. Thank you.
00:40:49 Cathy Naborowski: There is an App called FieldTrip that will tell you where things are nearby – you can break it down to history or artchitecture or food.
00:41:26 HilaryGadsby: Scotland has maps for England
00:41:58 Cathy Naborowski: Yes. I have a droid. You can break it down to lots of things.

00:42:19 Cousin Russ:
00:42:29 Cousin Russ: Scotland has maps for England
00:42:54 Bill West: Good morning from chilly Massachusetts.
00:46:51 HilaryGadsby: One of my cousins works for Ordnance Survey
00:53:37 Marian Koalski: Were they using the message interface built into Ancestry or FamilySearch, which won’t allow attachments?
00:55:05 Betty-Lu Burton: I wonder if it is a case of mistaken identity. There being two Austin’s that are being confused
00:56:05 Marian Koalski: A reasonable response might be to send him a direct email address and ask him to send you a JPG of the right photo.
00:56:20 Betty-Lu Burton: Maybe she needs to message him back and ask him where you can find his information on Austin and see what he has
00:57:11 Karen Trearchis: I agree with Dave, the person has seen a lot of false information on his ancestor and saw incorrect picture, but did not read Pat’s page fully.
00:58:46 Rachel Evans: I have sent messages saying that something someone had was wrong. It’s difficult to say it without sounding agressive. If it sounds to me like it is I add that I am not trying to sound that way.
00:58:48 Karen Trearchis: He not be savvy in not knowing how to upload pictures.
01:00:53 Rachel Evans: Ask them what they use to share their tree and ask them to upload there so you can view it without giving an email.
01:02:07 Deb Andrew: Probably just using the research records and not building a tree there.
01:04:33 RandySeaver: Here is profile for Austin VB on FamilySearch Family Tree. No photos or stories.
01:05:04 Robbin Smith: He may have just found the picture through a search and didnt see the tree/relationships
01:05:31 RandySeaver: There is no profile for Austin VB on WikiTree
01:09:52 RandySeaver: All of the info on FamilySearch Family Tree is from FamilySearch – no one else. Info probably from FindAGrave.
01:14:37 JoAnn Lawrence: I found that the person is looking for the research I did. They don’t want to do the research themselves, they just want to copy someone else’s work.
01:16:43 Karen Trearchis: He may be someone that does not want to share his tree and just uses his computer for his family history. He just looks up information on ancestry & familysearch and puts the information he has found & puts it on his genealogy program only. He sees this picture and he knows it is wrong. He sees it repeatedly, so sends Pat the email with fully reading her tree. In my case, I posted my genealogy many years ago on the old site “myfamily.” At the time I did not know my tree was being uploaded to World Family tree. On part of my tree was incorrect, I was just testing an idea. Well now that false information that I wrote is repeated being put on people’s ancestry trees. In the past,I have tried to contact people that are matched to me and tell them that is incorrect & why it is. Some listen some don’t. Frustrating to see, maybe this is what happened to this man/woman and she/he is doing the same.
01:17:27 Karen Trearchis: meant without reading her tree.
01:17:43 Valerie Lisk: If you send a link to the profile, does the person have access to the whole tree?
01:19:13 PatKuhn: thanks for all the help everyone!!!
01:19:38 RandySeaver: Valerie, if the tree is public, another person can see all of the deceased persons
01:20:07 Valerie Lisk: Thanks Randy.
01:22:05 RandySeaver: An Exact search on Ancestry trees found only 5 matches and two had the photo of Austin VB. I didn’t see Pat’s tree on the list
01:24:38 Valerie Lisk: My cousin shared my beginning tree on Ancestry and 6 people have copied it without verifying the information so all of that incorrect info is going around. My tree is now private.

2018 RootsTech Videos

01:26:31 Cousin Russ:
01:26:48 Robbin Smith: it was the first day
01:27:04 Robbin Smith: it was DNA

titanic museum
01:27:17 DaveRobison: This Titanic Museum museum is about 4 miles from where I live:
01:27:18 Robbin Smith: DNA match – no tree no problem
01:28:09 RandySeaver: Lisa Louise Cooke’s video from RootsTech is
01:30:43 RandySeaver: how can anyone turn Dave down?
01:32:52 Sheryl Whisenhunt: Webinars are great for those housebound or unable to walk any distance/move among crowds. Do loose out on the contacts and displays though is a drawback.
01:33:37 Denise Coughlin: What video service do you use Dave?
01:36:48 Deb Andrew: I belong to the Owsley Family Historical Society. They have a newsletter paper and electronic and a very active Facebook group.
01:37:04 RandySeaver: We have a round-table discussion every month at Chula Vista GS Research Group. It’s devolved to almsot all DNA questions/comments/experiences
01:38:50 HilaryGadsby: It is so important for new members or visitors to feel welcome
01:39:31 Cheri Passey: We do the same. We have name tags every month with attatched ribbons representing locations of research. We had at least one round table a year. Very popular meeting!
01:40:38 RandySeaver: CVGS usually does a “Stump the Chumps” program meeting with members questions and challenges discussed by a panel of “experts”
01:41:28 Karen Trearchis: When I was president of Merrimack Valley chapter, MSOG, I use many of the techniques that Dave has used. When I began the chapter in 2010 we began with about 25 & left with 80 members and now I am no longer that chapter is growing! I would get my members to socialize with visitors and invite them to go out to lunch, many come and once they have gone to lunch they are sure to join. It is very important to socialize, chat newcomers and members. What I do is introduce new people to members so they can chat.
01:41:29 Joanne Shackford Parkes: How far do folks travel to attend your meetings? (Asking as I live in small community with a drive of two hours to a large community with active genealogy societies so am so fortunate to “attend” so many webinars.
01:42:40 Karen Trearchis: Should be no longer chapter president, but people are still joining!
01:43:57 RandySeaver: CVGS and SDGS use Wild Apricot which has same features as Constant Contact.
01:44:41 HilaryGadsby: I wish my local society would consider virtual presentations but the current venue is not suitable. No internet access. Difficult to suggest changes that would require a change of venue.
01:45:20 Karen Trearchis: Is there a cost for zoom?
01:45:54 HilaryGadsby: There are different levels for Zoom
01:47:52 Sheri Fenley: It doesn’t cost any money to make someone feel welcome!
01:48:22 DearMYRTLE: 🙂
01:49:57 HilaryGadsby: I have not continued with my local society but might write to the membership secretary and tell them why and what could improve the membership.
01:49:57 RandySeaver: it would be like requiring a CG or AG in the USA
01:54:15 Karen Trearchis: Why does Dave use Zoom, what level of Zoom, what is cost? BTW, CORI- Criminal Offender Record Information, they are looking for sexual predators, too.
01:56:53 HilaryGadsby: We have criminal checks in the UK
01:57:01 Karen Trearchis: MSOG, MV & Bristol chapter has been checking the boys off with badges. Our VP of MV chapter is a Boy Scout leader!
01:57:25 AnnaMatthews: The local Irish and Italian groups here offer a half-hour one-on-one help before the meetings every month. They also have new members introduce themselves and ask about surnames. When I went to the Italian group last month I only had two surnames but met someone sitting right in front of me with that surname.
01:57:49 Bill West: Genealogy and hockey have lines in common. (Hockey joke)

01:58:25 Sheri Fenley: San Joaquin Genealogical Society goes where ever they ask us to go and sometimes even when they don’t ask us!
01:58:58 Sheri Fenley: LOL Bill West!
01:59:42 Sheri Fenley: Snacks always help!
01:59:53 RandySeaver: We have the social half hour after the speaker and the short meeting at our programs
02:01:37 Karen Trearchis: I have had CORI done and so has Dean & we are good, too! hahaha

surname society 2

02:02:03 Cousin Russ:
02:02:29 Sheri Fenley: Is the society only for British people? I noticed the dues are in pounds
02:05:03 JohnLaws: The Surname Society was a breakaway group from Guild of One-Name Studing
02:05:16 Marian Koalski: Randy, thank you for contributing to worldwide knowledge on using those unindexed collections. They are a lot more usable than most people imagine.
02:06:34 Karen Trearchis: Our meeting begins at 10 AM and socialize from 9-10, most arrive around 9:30 or after.
02:07:18 RandySeaver: Sheri, the Surname society is worldwide – only 5 pounds (Paypal converts to dollars on your charge card). Monthly Hangouts, an annual virtual conference, and great people you meet at RootsTech! Love Kirsty Gray – the English version of Dave Robison, I think
02:08:31 RandySeaver: Marian Koalski – thank you – you’re right about the unindexed records. I’m in them every day now.
02:10:00 Sheri Fenley: San Joaquin accepts Paypal for all money transactions
02:10:03 Karen Trearchis: The same with us

02:11:54 DearMYRTLE:
02:12:44 Karen Trearchis: 96% of my town was without power from the last snowstorm here in Massachusetts.
02:13:09 RandySeaver: Surname Society conference on 17 March speakersl isted in Pretty good for 5 pounds a year.

02:13:52 Cousin Russ: Comparing BMD indexes for England and Wales: Ancestry by Audrey Collins

Where Audrey explains “There are some transcription errors, but a much bigger problem is the way that the parishes are listed in their registration districts; if the name of the district contains more than one word, the list will show all the parishes in districts which contain any of those words. So the link for the registration district of St George in the East goes to a list of parishes in districts all over the country, including St Martin in the Fields, Newcastle in Emlyn, Stow on the Wold, and Bury St Edmunds, to name but a few. “

02:15:26 Cousin Russ: Women’s History Month 2018: Community Cookbooks by Gena Phillibert-Ortega
02:15:42 Cousin Russ: Crista Cowan’s Timeless: Taxi Drive to NASCAR
02:16:01 Shelley Murphy: I love the program Timeless.

Image: Alisha Chipman of the Library’s Conservation Division prepares to treat a newly discovered photograph of abolitionist Harriet Tubman, one of 44 portraits inside a photo album jointly acquired by the Library of Congress and the Smithsonian’s National Museum of African American History and Culture. Photo by Shawn Miller.
02:16:32 Cousin Russ: New Online: Rare Photo of Harriet Tubman Preserved for Future Generations March 6, 2018 by Mark Hartsell
02:16:44 Bill West: Timeless is educating people as they entertain them.
02:16:58 Cousin Russ: Randy Seaver’s Best of the Genea-Blogs – 11 to 17 March 2018
02:17:13 PatKuhn: I love Timeless!!!
02:17:15 Shelley Murphy: Yes it is Bill West, love it.

The General Data Protection Act (May 2018)

02:17:18 Cousin Russ: GDPR by Roberta Estes
02:17:42 RandySeaver: Dick Eastman had an article on GDPR also.

02:19:30 Cousin Russ:

02:19:41 Cousin Russ: James Tanner’s Computer Storage in the Future: A Concern for Genealogists
02:20:27 Cousin Russ: Machines reading the archive: handwritten text recognition software
02:21:48 Janine Edmée Hakim: Dear Myrtle….speaking of reading handwriting, is the wonderful Frenchman who created a handwriting [transcription] program…you featured him on a webinar?
02:21:57 Cousin Russ: Our conversation will continue here –
02:23:08 Doris Haskell: Yes, you are good. Very good. Thank you!
02:23:10 Karen Trearchis: Great time
02:23:23 Janine Edmée Hakim: Great as always

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ARCHIVED: Mondays with Myrt – 19 Feb 2018


In which we discuss Reclaim the Records, rootsfinder, 1939 register, virtual speaker contracts, New York research, and NERGC’s 2019 featured speakers.


00:18:50 Bill West: Goood afternoon from balmy Massachusetts!
00:19:36 Sheryl Whisenhunt: Good Morning from snowy California Sierra’s.
00:20:35 Melissa Barker: Hello Dustin! My Federal Holiday Buddy! LOL!
00:21:23 Jacqueline Wilson: Hello from a warm & rainy Chicago!

00:21:37 Cousin Russ: DearMYRTLE and Cousin Russ recognize the United Nations’ International Decade for People of African Descent 2015-2024. We reach out to all regardless of race, color, creed, sexual orientation or national origin with support for researching family and documenting cultural inheritance.

00:22:38 Cousin Russ: AmericaGen STUDY GROUP – Chapter 2 – 21 Feb 2018, Researchers Guide to American Genealogy 4th Edition by Val D. Greenwood, 2017 (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co.) Available in paperback Noon Eastern US (New York), 11am Central (Chicago), 10 am Mountain (Salt Lake City and Denver), 9am Pacific (Los Angeles). REGISTRATION PAGE
00:22:42 Valerie Eichler Lair: Sorry I couldn’t join the panel today. To-do list is a 100 miles long of things to get done before Wednesday morning. I’m looking forward to the end of this week when ALL is done. 🙂

00:22:49 Cousin Russ: ALBION’S SEED STUDY GROUP Albion’s Seed: Four British Folkways in America by David Hackett Fischer s, 1989 (New York: Oxford University Press).7 Mar 2018 Borderlands to the Back Country: The Flight from North Britain 1717-1775 REGISTRATION PAGE:

00:24:36 Hilary Gadsby: Good day everyone. I will miss the first webinar in March as I will be on my way back from RootsTech I may watch some of it as flight doesn’t ;eave until 10:30 from SLC.
00:24:37 Cousin Russ: THE ARCHIVE LADY – 21 Feb 2018 – We are delighted to feature our resident archivist Melissa Barker, who serves as the Certified Archives Manager at the Houston County, Tennessee Archives. A popular genealogical speaker, author and blogger, Melissa is also the FGS Forum Reviews Editor. REGISTRATION URL
00:24:40 Dustin: Go Melissa! Go Archives!
00:25:05 Larry Naukam: Indeed! Go Archives!
00:29:41 Dave Robison: Timeline of Massachusetts history contains this entry: 1786: The Ohio Land Company was formed, resulting in the emigration of many Massachusetts residents to Ohio.
00:29:49 Dave Robison:
00:30:20 Bill West: Lol, Randy, we’ll be having a heat wave here tomorrow with temps in the 50’s.
00:30:27 Dustin: Several families in the nerihboring county were from Massachusetts
00:30:45 Melissa Barker: Randy, it’s suppose to be in the 70’s today here in Tennessee! LOL!

Special Guest Larry Naukam

The In-Depth Genealogist (IDG) is pleased to present their newest in-brief research guide in the research series by writer, Larry Naukam, entitled “An In-Brief Guide to New York Genealogy”. Larry writes the column “Doing it Ourselves” for The In-Depth Genealogist’s digital magazine, Going In-Depth. Larry holds degrees in Geography, Library Science, and Divinity. For more than 30 years he has worked in libraries and information centers, using various techniques and technologies to enhance access to historical materials. As technologies have developed he has used them to make collections more accessible for students and researchers.

00:30:52 Cousin Russ: An In-Brief Guide to New York Genealogy by Larry Naukam
00:34:43 Melissa Barker: Tennessee requires that each county have a county historian.
00:36:03 Jacqueline Wilson: Randy: Chicago is the same temp today & tomorrow. Now 58 instead of 22!

Rochester Genealogical Society

Breaking News The Federation of Genealogical Societies (FGS) awarded the Rochester Genealogical Society with the 2017 Federation of Genealogical Societies Outstanding Society Technology Award. The award was given at the FGS’s national conference in Pittsburgh, PA at the end of August. The Rochester Genealogical Society received this commendation for our use of web resources to educate other genealogists as well as working to archive genealogical records.” Source:

New York Heritage
00:40:14 Cousin Russ:

00:41:47 Cousin Russ:

00:41:49 Larry Naukam:
Internet Archive
00:42:08 Cousin Russ:

00:45:45 Dave Robison: I have a cousin in Rochester who moved there from Alabama. It was his father who worked in the DNA lab at Duke University in the early 60s
00:46:19 Randy Seaver: I have ancestors from early New York (Dutch, French, English), the Hudson River Valley (Dutch and German) and upstate (Watertown area and Buffalo area).
New York Archives Conference
00:51:15 Cousin Russ: NYAC New York Archives Conference

00:53:10 Cousin Russ: From Randy Seaver’s GeneaMusings Blog we explored “RootsFinder Delivers Powerful New Tools to Genealogists for FREE” NOTE: This is the rootsfinder video Randy recommends viewing. Congrats to Dallan Quass and Heather Henderson for coming up with an online tree environment with hinting, to-do lists, source indications, and even some reports.

Cyndi Ingles ( said “Yesterday I had 3 different people ask me if I had any webinars recorded. They each told me that they want to be able to share them at their local society meetings. I told them that the recorded webinars aren’t meant to be shown at a group meeting. They are for individuals only, often behind a subscription or membership wall. I said they must read the terms of service and that they *must* get the permission of the webinar host and the speaker. 2 of the ladies said, “Oh, it’s only for my small local group. Under 10 people.”  Source:

01:07:03 Jacqueline Wilson: It is just plain rude!
01:07:54 June Butka: Sometimes people do not make it clear in their request that they are willing to pay. I know a few years back I asked to show a webinar becasue our society lost its speaker due to ilness at the last minute. I did not make it clear the society was willing to pay in my first post in my rush to make the request.
01:08:19 Larry Naukam: I was at a rock concert a few years ago, and the performer stopped and called out the offender
01:10:19 Valerie Lisk: By day 4 my brain is not processing, but when the presenter says “do not record.” I do not record. It’s just good manners.
01:12:16 Randy Seaver: I encourage attendees to take photos of my screen when I do my “Ancestry – Be a Family History Detective” talk at libraries and groups. They also get a two page handout. All of what I share in that talk is public and shared many times. I think that encourages beginners to start family history collecting and research.
01:14:54 Hilary Gadsby: The speakers should be able to decide what they want unless the organiser has made it clear what they want at the start.
01:15:08 Joanne Shackford Parkes: Copying someone’s slides via a camera or video is very different than taking notes at their presentation. Also there are many, many free presentations that folks studying genealogy can use to learn from – these videos, FamilySearch, the first presentations by many societies. It’s just wrong to copy when the speaker asks you not to do that!
01:18:55 Randy Seaver: Of course, you could do an outline of your detail handout to those societies that want it public. A lot of the RootsTech handouts are just outlines.
01:20:05 Larry Naukam: We have a lawyer who is a society member, and he keeps us on the proper path

IMAGE: DearMYRTLE has added this information and citation (optional) for her grandmothers Social Security Death Index entry to make it easier for folks to find Frances.

01:21:07 Cousin Russ: New Option on the Social Security Death Index Record from Ancestry
01:22:34 Randy Seaver: This would be really helpful for millions of John Smiths that don’t give a middle name
01:23:42 Jacqueline Wilson: I have family living in Chariton, Iowa!
01:24:52 Joanne Shackford Parkes: I like the View/Add alternate information fields in Ancestry — didn’t know it had been added to more documents! I do a name study of Shackford’s and am frequently adding alternative info when someone makes a transcription error to make a correction (i.e. that it was Shackelford, Shackleford, or some other variation.). I get it that Russ doesn’t agree on indexes but I do find these notes very helpful.
01:25:06 Valerie Lisk: I correct surnames I know. If it’s indexed Sisk instead of Lisk or Bonkhead instead of Bankhead.
01:25:08 Larry Naukam: I have an uncle for I am sure is deceased -and his children from his 4 marriages do not know when he died.
01:25:40 Randy Seaver: For the SSDI, you have to get the actual SS-5 card to find the maiden name or middle name. The Social Security Applications and Claims database often has those, and the parents names too
01:26:40 Randy Seaver: but not every person in the SSDI has a SSA&C entry
01:28:08 Joanne Shackford Parkes: This alternative information field is just that, alternative information, it doesn’t change the index itself, just might lead someone to the right source if it had been indexed incorrectly or may lead someone to a possible source if the index didn’t have enough information (i.e. maiden name, or misspelling).
01:28:57 Larry Naukam: Last week during my shift at the FHC I had a young user who could not read cursive!
01:29:40 Randy Seaver: When the addition is made to a database like this, the addition/correction should be displayed below the indexed information, not replace it. I think that’s what Ancestry will do.
01:33:07 Donna Burleaud: Perhaps its better to add a ‘comment’ to the side…
01:34:43 June Butka: A good example is of index not making changes unless you can view the image is 3 Valentine Colby born to the same parents. Each name was spelled different was and birth dates were different
01:35:35 June Butka: I agree with Cousin Russ.
01:36:16 Hilary Gadsby: The trouble with most of the indexes is that they are not originals and have required interpretation
01:36:23 Dave Robison: Hey Bruce….Good to see you here!!
01:38:00 Dave Robison: Great conversation and timely for me. I’m doing “Transcription vs. Abstraction vs. Extraction” at a local genealogy club tonight. This will add some additional discussion…

1939 Register

01:39:27 Cousin Russ:
01:40:55 Larry Naukam: All genealogists come upon GIGO -garbage in, gospel out
01:43:27 June Butka: The blog I’m currently working on is a good example of why it is best to look at the original, not an index. 3 valentine Colby’s. Census has Colby/Colbey/Colley or Volintin/Valllentin/ Valentine/Voltin are different spellings and people.

01:44:44 Cousin Russ: New England Regional Genealogical Conference Announces 2019 Keynotes
01:46:16 June Butka: Looking forward to NERGC. Great link up.
01:46:24 Cousin Russ: *WEBINARS: Pay what you want* by DearMYRTLE.

01:46:49 Cousin Russ: WHAT TO EXPECT – RootsTech’s Innovation Showcase
01:48:41 Valerie Eichler Lair: I’d like to invite anyone who is not a member of APG, but you are taking clients and doing DNA research for them…please attend tonight’s APG webinar. I am the Moderator. Blaine Bettinger and Karen Stanbary are the speakers about DNA Client Expectations and Contracts. Register at  🙂
01:50:03 Randy Seaver: will the Media Hub be open on Wednesday night in Expo Hall? [YES]
01:50:21 MarciaPhilbrick: For those Not going to RootsTech — follow Twitter #notatrootstech
01:50:54 Cousin Russ: The Conversation continues —
01:53:40 Cousin Russ: ATTN: Genealogy Content Providers The monthly “Book of Me” content prompts will be posted by Julie Goucher starting 1 January 2018.

01:54:27 Cousin Russ:
01:56:14 Cousin Russ: The Conversation continues —


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Oops! There was no “mother” field in the 1900 census despite field label

NOTE FROM DearMYRTLE: This is a detailed commentary composed with the hope will take immediate action to remedy this situation.

Is Ancestry “dreaming up” new census fields for the 1900 US federal population abstracts associated with its collection of census images? Maybe Ancestry is interpreting what an enumerator meant he made notations in various fields on his census form?

We look to evidence of abstract screen shots shared by Russ Worthington in his blog post Observations of the new Ancestry .api posted on his FTMUser blog today.

Russ viewed indexed entries and accompanying digital image of original census pages through his Family Tree Maker 2017 software. The problem has little if anything to do with FTM or RootsMagic, but instead reveals a problem with how presents the indexed entries on its website.

Here are Ol’ Myrt’s concerns.


Why has Ancestry chosen to rename the “relationship to head of family” field to “mother”?

It sounds like a database manager, rather than a genealogist, has become overly creative but incorrect with labels for indexed data. This problem will lead less experienced researchers to incorrect relationship conclusions.

Using Ancestry’s iOS app, I ran into this same problem. When reviewing a census image, the abstract assumed the wife was mother to all children in the household. Luckily I knew about a first wife who died. I had to go to my desktop and update my Ancestry Member Tree to assign children in the census to the correct parents and attach the census image manually.

This begs the question – what if I didn’t know about the first wife and her several children?

How does this happen?

In Russ’ example and mine, Ancestry’s census abstracts assume a woman listed as a wife to head of family is the mother to those listed as sons and daughters of the head of family, when in fact she may not be.(1)


Cousin Russ correctly noticed there was no field labeled “Ethnicity” though the 1900 population schedule does have a tiny column “Race or Color.” WHY has Ancestry chosen to rename the field “ethnicity”?

Why is Ancestry interpreting abbreviations?

There is no ethnicity known as “American” nor is there room to write that in the tiny box. (2) Only these abbreviations are found in “126. Column 5 Color or Race” description.

  • “W  white
  • B = black (negro or of negro descent)
  • Ch = Chinese
  • Jp = Japanese
  • In = Indian
  • As the cas=e may be.” (3)

I’m thinking an unspecified abbreviation “A” written by the enumerator could represent “Asian” (different from Chinese or Japanese) but it certainly could not be “American” since there is no such race or color. Either way, only the letter “A” should appear in Ancestry’s abstract.

In Russ’ example the letter “W” for white has been entered as “American” in Ancestry’s abstract.


It appears Ancestry database managers have incorrectly and inappropriately chosen to interpret what an enumerator wrote in a column of abbreviations? (Sigh)

In the US we consider a transcript a word-for-word printed or typed version of a document.

In the US we consider an abstract a selection of text from a document considered important for the purposes of the abstractor. This make take the form on an index.

 Myrt’s Musings

In no way should a transcript, abstract or index depart from original spelling, abbreviations or labels in a document; nor should the compiler of a transcript, abstract or index interpret the original text.

Anything less increases the possibility that those reading the transcript, abstract or index may draw the wrong conclusion.

 This is is a case for “get the original.”

Happy family tree climbing!
Myrt 🙂
Your friend in genealogy.

1) “125. Column 4 Relationship to head of family”, 12th Census of the United States Instructions to Enumerators (Washington DC: Census Bureau, 1900) p 28. ( / viewed 27 Aug 2017). Note the scanned images in .PDF format are linked here: :

(2) “126. Column 5 Color or Race”, 12th Census of the United States Instructions to Enumerators (Washington DC: Census Bureau, 1900) p 29. ( / viewed 27 Aug 2017). Note the scanned image in .PDF format linked here:

(3) I.B.I.D.