ARCHIVED: Mondays with Myrt 19 Nov 2018


Biggest breakthroughs today? Persistent problems with AMTs and everyone teaches Ol’ Myrt here a thing or two about switching from .pdf to .png.

  • Problems with the newly indexed Ancestry Member Trees. This is particularly vexing. MyHeritage manages to index trees daily. Why does it take months for Ancestry to accomplish this? And why does Ancestry only point to trees that have an image attached? This problem has gone on for over two years. We’re not evening mentioning the problems with links to indexed images returning a 404 error at least 50% of the time, regardless of end user operating system or web browser.
  • DAR & SAR – honoring Revolutionary War ancestors.
  • – overcoming the “save as a .pdf” by choosing “print” then changing from your printer to your photo editing software of choice.
  • Grandparent books
  • Genealogy Do-Over
  • 1939 Register (England & Wales) and why lines are redacted.
  • RootsTech 2019 (SLC), RootsTech 2019 (London) and #notatRootsTech





09:54:25 From Dave Robison to All panelists : Genealogy Bargains
09:54:40 From Pat Kuhn :
10:00:40 From Hilary Gadsby : I have also been watching the videos today as I want to use the source writer in Legacy 9
10:01:04 From Deb Andrew : Good morning.
10:02:02 From Lisa Gorrell : Good morning from smoky No. California. Working hard fighting a cold.
10:02:20 From grahamwalter : Hello everyone from London(ish)
10:02:44 From grahamwalter : cool
10:03:24 From Barbara Gressel : Good morning from Springfield, MO
10:03:58 From Pamela Wells to All panelists : Good morning from St Pete, FL
10:04:24 From Betty-Lu Burton : Hello from Arkansas
10:04:52 From Robbin Smith : Hello from Miami
10:08:26 From Deb Andrew to All panelists : Old Alabama Family Photos Facebook group
10:09:57 From Susan Ennis : Glad to be here with everyone!
10:17:20 From Marian Koalski : A penmanship award for SPEED! And that’s a pretty fabulous speed — faster than any typist I’ve heard of.
10:17:57 From Yvonne Demoskoff : That’s such a great idea for a grandparents book, Myrt!
10:18:08 From Cousin Russ : Blog post about an article from USCGC Halfmoon (WHEC-378) and the Lobster Wars
10:18:50 From Randy Seaver : That’s 4 words a second. How in the world? A Shorthand system? Readable?
10:20:17 From Randy Seaver : I’m lucky to write two letters a second, or type 4 letters a second.
10:20:21 From Marian Koalski : Some of my high school classmates took a Speed Writing class, which was a mixture of shorthand and abbreviations, I understand.
10:22:38 From Randy Seaver : Newspaper research is often the key to a breakthrough for family members. It’s why I do my weekly “Seavers in the News” posts on Thursdays.
10:23:16 From Mary Lou Gravatt : I found an article that my father-in-law found a ring when he was 12 years old and returned to the owners and received an award.
10:23:28 From Bill West : Good afternoon from overcast Massachusetts
10:23:38 From Lisa Gorrell : I love searching in newspapers. I wrote a blog post this past weekend about my great uncle, who I couldn’t find until I used his nickname “Toofer.”
10:23:41 From Deb Andrew : If you know the name of the newspapers for the area, you can choose those newspapers to search first.
10:24:45 From Deb Andrew : Yes
10:24:59 From Robbin Smith : many times i have seen the xx years ago
10:25:29 From Marian Koalski : Yes! A 1966 “looking backward” item about a great-uncle’s funeral in 1936 in another state was VERY helpful.
10:27:56 From Mary Lou Gravatt : Another article was about an accident that my grandfather had with his farm wagon and a bus in 1919. He was seriously injured my mom and aunt mentioned the accident they were not born yet. His injuries included broken leg and a fractured skull. I doubt that Mom and her sister knew the extent of his injuries.
10:29:22 From Lisa Gorrell : The problem with this, if the article is long, the print is really small.
10:29:46 From Deb Andrew : 19th November my anniversary. [HAPPY ANNIVERSARY DEB!]
10:29:57 From Deb Andrew : You can save it as a jpg.
10:30:27 From Randy Seaver : I use the Windows Snipping Tool to turn the PDF into a JPG so I can put it in a blog post.
10:31:17 From Randy Seaver : Lisa, sometimes I make 2 or 3 separate images so that the print is readable.
10:32:45 From Betty-Lu Burton : Hi Graham. I can see you
10:33:17 From Deb Andrew : If someone clicks on the source citation, it will take them to the article.
10:33:35 From Susan Ennis : I found out about my 2x great grandfather’s two patents (circa 1878) from newspaper articles!
10:33:40 From Graham Walter : Thanks Betty
10:34:47 From Marcia Philbrick : Shirley Player – fact question — Was this a miscellaneous fact in Roots Magic? [ No, Marcia, this was merely a search for the surname “Player” at]
10:35:10 From Betty-Lu Burton : We need to remember that in newspapers our ancestors names can be found many ways: nicknames, initials, child of, (or any relative of).
10:35:45 From Marian Koalski : And misspelled names, speaking from personal experience.
10:36:11 From Mary Lou Gravatt : I save as JPG to Ancestry then copy that as JPG to my computer. Also save as PDF to the computer.
10:37:52 From Betsey Cotter : Hit destination then select pdf
10:38:12 From Marcia Philbrick : If you use print/save and do a selection, it then gives you a choice of jpeg or pdf
10:38:59 From Marcia Philbrick : I have the option under Chrome
10:39:21 From Susan Ennis : Using Print/Save gives the options to SAVE as jpeg or pdf as contrasted to using the Clip feature. Works for me in these browsers: Firefox, Safari, and Chrome in my experience.
10:40:59 From Randy Seaver : Marcia’s tip is correct – Print/Save gets you to a “Save as JPG”
10:41:12 From Lisa Gorrell : I use Chrome. When I use Print/Save, I choose whole page, then I have two choices save as JPG and save as PDF. I save as PDF for whole page and then save as JPG for clipping.
10:41:25 From Marcia Philbrick : I’m using Chrome
10:41:54 From Marcia Philbrick : Is there a way to save Ancestry media as JPEG without having to save to the person first? [Yes, merely click Share>Print.]
10:44:12 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : welcome back Graham.
10:44:55 From Kathleen Daetsch : Since my family is from New York I use Fulton Press. I have found a great deal of information the Obituaries are a valuable resource in connecting family members.

10:45 :34 From Randy Seaver : Ancestry searches, specifically Ancestry Member Trees. See my blog post from last week is

My opinion is that should index every person in every tree whether they have “Ancestry Sources” or not,  so that their customers can find information about their ancestors that other researchers have found.  Yes, I understand it’s a big computer challenge – but they’re a big company with many servers, and charge customers money to search all of their databases.  This is more BAD NEWS!

10:47:03 From Marcia Philbrick : My ‘test’ search used to produce 24 trees. Now, with the same search, I’m only getting about 3 trees. Those three trees change depending on how I structure the search.
10:47:18 From Marian Koalski : This failure in searching Ancestry Member Trees must cost DNA testers a LOT of useful contacts!
10:47:43 From Bill West : I agree, Randy!
10:48:01 From Marcia Philbrick : Yes, Marian! I do believe it is affecting DNA screens — shared ancestor hints and circles.
10:48:53 From Maria Tegtmeier : I conquer with Randy’s French
10:49:13 From Marcia Philbrick : My mom’s DNA test has more shaky leaf hints than I do. (about twice as many)
10:51:48 From Marian Koalski : A lot of tree contributors don’t do DNA testing. Won’t those be missed in Circles, etc., if the Member Tree doesn’t have an Ancestry source.
10:53:11 From Marcia Philbrick : There is a lot of collaboration opportunities that are lost when individuals or trees aren’t included in the indexing
10:53:53 From Bill West : IMHO, they are so focused on he DNA tests they are neglecting the family tree website
10:54:26 From Graham Walter : Good point Bill – certainly seems that way
10:54:39 From Marian Koalski : I’m about to non-renew my Ancestry subscription. Maybe I’ll mention the failing tree searches and the lack of new collections as reasons.
10:56:39 From Doris Haskell : JPEG
10:56:54 From Pamela Wells : jpeg
10:56:57 From Kathleen Daetsch : jpeg
10:57:43 From Cheryl : What is a PNG? How is it different from a TIFF? [ Ol’ Myrt Googled your question and found a multitude of great responses.]10:58:42 From Pamela Wells to All panelists : PNG format is a lossless compression file format, which makes it a common choice for use on the Web. PNG is a good choice for storing line drawings, text, and iconic graphics at a small file size. JPG format is a lossy compressed file format. This makes it useful for storing photographs at a smaller size than a BMP.
10:58:54 From Lisa Gorrell : I like that the date and page comes up first when saving. That’s how I start all of my images, then the name of the newspaper, and then the person of interest.
10:59:10 From Graham Walter : PNG – interpretation –,id=whypng
10:59:16 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : I always put them in a folder called ged docs and then I will put them in the proper folder later most of the time they never get out of the ged docs folder LOL
10:59:19 From bjanvier to All panelists : Is Snag It a free proram? Different than the clipping tool with MS Windows 10, right?
10:59:21 From Joanne Parkes : When I clip a newspaper article, I simultaneously transcribe the article and then save the clipping as source in RootsMagic using a copy the source title & the name of the person & save in their folder
10:59:53 From Joanne Parkes : Save as jpeg.
11:01:05 From Joanne Parkes : Use Macintosh Powerbook & the new version of IOW has a built in clipper called Screenshot
11:01:24 From Cousin Russ :DearMYRTLE uses Snagit from
11:01:40 From Dave Robison to All panelists : Docent duty calls! I’ll see you next week.
11:01:51 From Marian Koalski : Macs also have a clipper called Grab among the standard applications that come with it.

11:03:20 From Cousin Russ : Sons of the American Revolution

11:04:09 From Cousin Russ : Daughters of the American Revolution
11:04:54 From DearMYRTLE . : Thank-you, Marian. 🙂
11:07:12 From Marian Koalski : Good work, Dave! Revitalizing your SAR chapter as well as your local gen Soc.
11:08:36 From Marian Koalski : DAR for me
11:08:37 From Robbin Smith : my people haven’t been here long enough
11:08:55 From bjanvier : I would like to contact Dave Robinson. Does he have a blog or email I could use? [NOTE: You’ll find Dave Robison on Facebook here: ]
11:08:56 From Randy Seaver : I’ve lost my round tuit button for SAR and GSMD. I want to do those, but haven’t done it.
11:09:01 From Mary Buchholz t : I belong to DAR – with 2 Patriots and help in the application process for others.
11:09:05 From Sue Tolbert  : Yes DAR. Serving as Chapter Registrar is a great learning experience.
11:09:08 From Marcia Philbrick : My great-grandmother was in DAR. I joined on her application — but her patriot is in question. I had to go back a generation to join on his father.
11:09:18 From DearMYRTLE . : RootsTech 2019 SLC
11:09:20 From Crystal Toenjes : I’m turning in my DAR paperwork after Thanksgiving…FINALLY! Also working on my paperwork for ADEAW. (Associated Daughters of Early American Witches.)
11:09:54 From Marian Koalski : Sometimes you’ll find lineage societies for families who came later than the Revolution, like Pioneers of Franklin County, Iowa (made-up name).
11:11:49 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : Yes I am!!
11:12:04 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : And I am registered and have my room reserved.
11:12:59 From Doris Haskell : I don’t ever want to stop being a Temple and Family History Consultant.
11:13:54 From Marcia Philbrick : #notatRootsTech is GREAT!
11:14:52 From Betty-Lu Burton : Hillary it sounds like you will be busy next year
11:15:04 From Graham Walter :
11:17:27 From Marian Koalski : More real wool!
11:19:11 From Marian Koalski : Hallelujah, John Laws! That is civilization!
11:20:29 From Randy Seaver : It’s always a challenge for this California kid. Snow is great, but ice is treacherous. It rained one year and had to walk from Marriott to Radisson pushing Linda’s wheelchair into the 40 mph wind and driving rain. Plus, going north is slightly uphill. Whew, tiring pushing the chair.

Legacy 9 Census

11:20:39 From DearMYRTLE . : Legacy Family Tree (software)
11:20:48 From Hilary Gadsby to Betty-Lu Burton and all panelists : I certainly will but I should be retiring the following year so work will not be getting in the way
11:21:29 From Deb Andrew to All panelists : I think it is under the timeline, special properties.
11:21:34 From Marian Koalski : Yes, Geoff Rasmussen’s teaching style is better than so many I’ve seen. He paces it so you can see where he’s clicking before he moves on, and he explains why he chooses one option over another.
11:21:44 From Betty-Lu Burton : Send Geoff a e-mail asking for a short webinar on the subject
11:22:34 From Deb Andrew to All panelists : The have the training videos you can buy.
11:22:37 From Hilary Gadsby : I have been watching the webinars today
11:22:53 From Bill West : I use the On This Date and Calendar functions in RM to post a daily family history post on FB
11:23:02 From Hilary Gadsby : for Legacy 9
11:23:10 From Deb Andrew to All panelists : You can always asked me.
11:23:25 From Jim Everhart : there is a step by step Legacy 9 series , 7 parts done already with 2 more to go

11:23:56 From Deb Andrew : I did that one, it was fun!

11:24:21 From Cousin Russ : University of Strathclyde
11:25:17 From Hilary Gadsby : I have done the 6 week course and may do the post grad course when I retire. I know someone who is doing the postgrad course

11:26:37 From Cousin Russ : Genealogy Do-Over Book
11:27:59 From Hilary Gadsby : I am trying to improve what I uploaded to WikiTree 7 years ago but am easily sidetracked
11:28:01 From Randy Seaver : Surreptitious Name changes explain a lot too.
11:28:44 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : I call them drop ins, they just fell from the sky.
11:29:03 From Randy Seaver : Interesting article today on Legacy Tree Genealogists blog about name changes
11:29:26 From Cousin Russ : Genealogy Do-Over Book 
11:29:40 From Cousin Russ : Old Alabama Family Photos Facebook group

11:34:24 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : I have a Ulster County New York Group, I have a great deal of my relations up there.
11:35:16 From Hilary Gadsby : Local groups are great place to find old photographs I belong to at least 1 for my home city.
11:37:07 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : yes
11:37:22 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : that is the group
11:38:09 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : I also have two family groups on facebook
11:39:08 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : one is my Family in Ireland and England my grandmothers family
11:39:24 From Cousin Russ : If you are have genealogy methodogy, technology or research questions, be sure to consult Katherine R. Willson’s Genealogy on Facebook listing of over 12,300+ groups and pages:
11:39:50 From Doris Haskell : Thanks, everyone, for yet another Magnificent Mondays with Myrt
11:41:40 From DearMYRTLE : This is the link to Cousin Russ’ ingenious “The Organized Genealogist File Listing Directory”
11:41:52 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : Is Lawlor the same name
11:45:56 From Graham Walter : Leila Davis born 1907
11:47:06 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : I do that too
11:55:13 From Gordon Erickson to All panelists : Regarding the “cat” I didn’t say yes, I was outvoted. 🙂

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ARCHIVED: WACKY Wednesday – FamilySearch Catalog


We consider logical research patterns as one would transition from an Ancestry Member Tree to digital records on Participate in an unscripted, open discussion hosted by DearMYRTLE’s very distant cousin Annie Oakmont.



00:32:58 Deb Andrew: Good evening.

00:34:22 Marceline Beem: Hi everyone

00:34:58 Melissa Barker: Hello Everyone!

00:40:54 Betty-Lu Burton: It also shows the Cousin Russ is aware that FamilySearch and Ancestry have different records group

00:43:44 Betty-Lu Burton: You can also look in the 1871 and 1881 census. Both would show the family he was living with, place of birth and religion 00:51:50 Betty-Lu Burton: The Canadian Censuses has been indexed just like the USA Census Records.

Betty-Lu Burton: Unless he came with his parents, their name would not be listed on his border crossing record

01:02:25 Deb Andrew: Just don’t ask Siri if there are any airplanes over your location!

01:02:51 Betty-Lu Burton: Do you know when and where he was married? Marriage records might give you information on parents

01:06:40 Betty-Lu Burton: Have you considered that Herbert’s parents were not married and McAlister is his mother’s maiden name or McAlister is his father’s surname and Johnston his mother’s maiden name

01:11:03 Betty-Lu Burton: You might try looking for Herbert in the 1871 census to see if he is listed with his parents now or with another family. This might help decide if his parents may have been dead in 1861. It would also tell you if he is still with the same family

01:14:21 Betty-Lu Burton: Modern gun hunting starts Saturday here in Arkansas

01:19:16 Deb Andrew: You had the most interesting Fudge Pie Recipe.

01:21:21 Melissa Barker: Thanks Deb!

01:25:38 Betty-Lu Burton: Stamp number is the page in the book, the image number is where it is (the page) on the microfilm

01:27:53 Betty-Lu Burton: Could you have looked in the land records to find out when the land was sold for the probate and would not that give you a better idea of when the probate happened?

01:30:12 Deb Andrew: I put surname first followed by state, county and then date.

1:34:09 Deb Andrew: I had a grand uncle who had to register for World War I will he was at Wetumpka State Prison, in Alabama.

01:34:21 Betty-Lu Burton: The register of prisoners should also be in the catalogue listed as item 2 on the microfilm

01:36:09 Betty-Lu Burton: some of the microfilms can have several different items that are not related, but each one is listed in the catalogue with the item number. Or at least it was like this before everything was digitized.

01:38:02 Cousin Russ: FamilySearch Catalog Film/Fiche Number Search…

01:38:11 Cousin Russ: FamilySearch Catalog Locality Subject Subdivisions…

01:38:17 Cousin Russ: Deciphering FamilySearch Catalog Entries…

01:38:28 Cousin Russ: Abbreviations in the FamilySearch Catalog –…

01:38:42 Cousin Russ: I didn’t know you could search like that by Debbie Gurtler…

01:38:49 Cousin Russ: FamilySearch Catalog Call Number Search…

01:38:55 Cousin Russ: FamilySearch Catalog Film/Fiche Number Search…

01:39:54 Susan Bleimehl: Thanks for all these links–I’m working with a couple of newbees and this will be extremely helpful for them.

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ARCHIVED: WACKY Wednesday 2 BIG Questions

So what are the questions we will tackle in this webinar?

  1. Need some input! I’m one of many getting irritated with Ancestry. What other options are there, other than Family Search, that allow the same type of actions?
  2. I’m aggravated with my Legacy Family Tree software. I downloaded my Ancestry Member Tree, but there are no images of documents.



19:11:24 From Susan Bleimehl  One or many places to go would be go through the relevant topics in Cyndi’s List or Linkpendium or the Ancestor’s Hunt newspaper site. You can spend lots of time doing that. Also, I don’t think anyone’s tree is clean or perfect. I like to spend some time cleaning up my databases.
19:12:29 From Deb Andrew : Roots Finder and American Ancestors are other places. I work on my photos, cleaning them up and refining those skills.

19:14:50 From Deb Andrew : There are so many webinars and YouTube Videos that can be watched to do more educational training, when a site is not functioning correctly.

19:16:57 From JoAnn Lawrence : I’ve joined Genealogy Facebook groups. They are great.
19:18:27 From Cousin Russ : Katherine R. Willson’s Genealogy on Facebook listing of over 12,300+ groups and pages:

19:25:25 From Linda Jordan : I’m a member of a Facebook group that doesn’t want duplicate posts on a topic. They want you to search their site 1st. They will block you from posting for a certain time period.
19:25:40 From Shelley Murphy : I like it when an Admin sends a welcome – are the welcome’s set up and sent automatically. [Note: Welcomes are not sent individually.]
19:26:21 From Deb Andrew : If you watch, you can tell who is always posting, what is posted, who to make your post more effective and relevant to a thread.
19:29:50 From Deb Andrew : My Heritage has just started forwarding the messages to your e-mail like Ancestry does with their message system. 
19:34:20 From Shelley Murphy :  Legacy webinars at
19:37:30 From Susan Bleimehl : Podcasts are fun and interesting.
19:38:06 From Deb Andrew : Evidence Explained is another good site to learn on citing. and on Facebook at
19:41:38 From Shelley Murphy : That’s where I was a few months ago, Rensselaer.
19:42:59 From Deb Andrew : I just sent someone to Joy Flips for the photos.
19:43:03 From Cousin Russ :
19:45:37 From Shelley Murphy : did you save your chart?
19:45:47 From Deb Andrew : I’ve learned so much to just attending your webinars and going to the links that are suggested and looking at the books recommended.
19:46:30 From Deb Andrew : Genealogy Gems is another good site.
19:48:28 From Deb Andrew : Legacy Family Tree has a photo re-linker.
19:52:08 From Deb Andrew : When Legacy 10 is released it will sync with My Heritage.
19:56:27 From Deb Andrew : Legacy has hints for FamilySearch, My Hertiage and Find My Past.
20:00:01 From Susan Bleimehl : Joining your local genealogy society is a good place to find other people who use your chosen software. Getting together with these folks is a good way to explore and learn to use all of the features of your software. Special Interest Groups (SIGs) are great fun to attend.
20:00:17 From Shelley Murphy : Roots Trust I have not heard of – going to look it up
20:00:54 From Shelley Murphy : Also, let’s get a Genealogy Buddy!
20:01:10 From Shelley Murphy : eastman

20:02:09 From Cousin Russ :
20:04:48 From Shelley Murphy : RootsMagic for me.
20:06:45 From Deb Andrew : The have a trial version.
20:08:02 From Shelley Murphy : Thank you, enjoyed it…
20:08:17 From Cindy Hilomen : thank you

20:40:45 From Cousin Russ : The home of my (female) DAR person —
20:45:53 From DearMYRTLE : Bernice Bennett
20:49:38 From DearMYRTLE : Coming to the Table

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20:52:38 From DearMYRTLE : Black ProGen

20:56:03 From DearMYRTLE : BlackProGen LIVE: Ep 60: Indian in My Family: DNA, Identity, and the Making of Africans in America

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Having Your Own Database

Since there is no Mondays with Myrt until next week, let’s assist our new DearMYRTLE Facebook Group member Linda who writes:

“Primarily, my first question is there some way I can save all my data from I can no longer afford it. If I have to pay for 1 more subscription, to somehow salvage it, I will do that. Then I would like to learn about all the free sites…”


To meet your requirements, Ol’ Myrt here recommends RootsMagic desktop software. It’s one of two desktop computer programs that can download to your computer everything from your Ancestry Member Tree including attached photos and documents. However, in my tests, RootsMagic is able to do TreeShare more reliably than the other program. The RootsMagic program has a free version and a $29.95 upgrade version and installs on both PC and Mac computers. This is a one time charge, not annual, and permits you to work with multiple family trees like adopted, bloodline, or disproved. I have nine databases on my computer right now – several because I am not yet sure if the family I’m working on belongs in my family tree.

This video explains how to download all data and attached images from an Ancestry Member Tree to a new RootsMagic database.

As with any program, eventually enhancements may be made to the software that might require an upgrade of about $19, but that has happened only every few years or so in my experience.

Don’t worry, Ancestry isn’t planning to get rid of your tree. You just won’t be able to get to the database images you’ve attached to each ancestor until you reactivate your Ancestry account. I’d recommend finding a time dedicated to this transfer process. Then activate your Ancestry account for the minimum one month time period and go for it.

As for free genealogy websites, a good place to begin is with a free account at

The product manager for FamilySearch “search” and “hints” advises using the FamilySearch Catalog, since only about 30% of the site’s images are browsable or indexed. Using the catalog you’ll spend most of your time looking for records created in the place where your ancestors once lived. And you won’t know if those ancestors are mentioned in the record set until you look. Some images must be viewed at your local Family History Center, owing to stipulations by the church, courthouse, archive or library that holds the original documents.

Find a local Family History Center here:

The following short 8-minute video features using the FamilySearch Catalog to locate the other 70% of digital images not yet browsable or indexed, demonstrated by Robert Kerher, the FamilySearch product manager I mentioned earlier. Nothing better than getting it directly from the source.

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Keep me posted on your progress. Cousin Russ and I would be more than happy to walk you through the steps for downloading your Ancestry Member Tree to a new RootsMagic database on your computer. As you may know, we are both out of town on family business at the moment.

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ARCHIVED: Mondays with Myrt – 22 Jan 2018


Mondays with Myrt, where we talk about anything and everything that has come across our genea-desks during the past week. Our topics include upcoming events,  how this Zoom Webinar interface is readily viewable on a variety of devices in addition to the following. Links we mention are found in the selected chat comments below.

  1. Is shooting itself in the fool by not indexing it’s online trees since Oct 2017?
  2. Ancestry Member Trees don’t receive hints in certain situations
  3. Ancestry Trees consider the attached documents and citations you upload through Family Tree Maker or RootsMagic as “other sources” and so they won’t be indexed.
  4. Amy Johnson Crow’s 52 Ancestors in 52 Weeks content prompts.
  5. David Allen Lambert
  6. Extreme Genes
  7. Western Massachusetts Genealogical Society is switching from Google Hangouts to Zoom webinars.
  8. Genealogy Girl Talks
  9. Instagram
  10. Guild of One-Name Studies
  11. Problems at MyHeritageDNA with communication between matches
  12. NextGen Live tonight features our friend Blaine Bettinger, The Genetic Genealogist
  13. GeneaWebinars Calendar and Blog.

Selected Chat Comments

Upcoming events

10:02:20 From Cousin Russ : GenDoc Study Group – Wednesday 24 Jan 2018,noon Eastern US (New York) SYLLABUS Mastering Genealogical Documentation by Thomas W. Jones, 2017 (Arlington, VA: National Genealogical Society). [Available from the publisher at and in Amazon’s Kindle bookstore.] REGISTRATION URL
10:02:41 From Valerie Eichler Lair : Yayyy last one!!! Then again, will miss the weekly GenDoc get together!

10:05:14 From Cousin Russ : THE ARCHIVE LADY – 24 Jan 2018 – 9pm Eastern US (New York). We are delighted to feature our resident archivist Melissa Barker, who serves as the Certified Archives Manager at the Houston County, Tennessee Archives. A popular genealogical speaker, author and blogger, Melissa is also the FGS Forum Reviews Editor. REGISTRATION URL
10:05:31 From Shelley Murphy to All panelists : This will be exciting!

10:06:03 From Cousin Russ : NGSQ Study Group in Second Life – Thursday, January 25 at 7:00pm – 8:00pm (SL time is the same as Pacific US time) Description:The Second Life NGSQ Study Group focuses on a specific article from the National Genealogical Society Quarterly 11 months each year. Hosted by Ellington Sweeney. We meet on the 4th Thursdays as follows: WHEN 6pm SL time (Same as Pacific US) WHERE

Second Life Avatars and Genealogy

NOTE: This is the link to the Archived: WW Second Life Avatars and Genealogy where Ol’ Myrt here demonstrates how to set up as free account in Second Life, create an avatar, and get to the Just Genealogy FirePit where this meeting is held.


10:06:54 From Cousin Russ : AmericaGen STUDY GROUP – Chapter 1 – 31 Jan 2018, Noon Eastern US (New York). SYLLABUS: Researchers Guide to American Genealogy 4th Edition by Val D. Greenwood, 2017 (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co.) Available in paperback, REGISTRATION PAGE

10:03:17 From Cousin Russ : ALBION’S SEED STUDY GROUP – 31 Jan 2018 – 9pm Eastern US (New York) The South of England to Virginia: Distressed Cavaliers and Indentured Servants 1642-75. SYLLABUS Albion’s Seed: Four British Folkways in America by David Hackett Fischer s, 1989 (New York: Oxford University Press). REGISTRATION URL

10:09:03 From Shelley Murphy : Plusword was hilarious!
10:09:19 From Valerie Eichler Lair : It was my first time seeing Plusword. And, yes, it was SO much fun to watch!
10:09:38 From Betty-Lu Burton : It was a blast, I just have to learn how to get into the chat now
10:11:17 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : Whatever you are doing now shows the whole panel.
10:11:52 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : And I thank you for that Russ.
10:12:56 From DearMYRTLE to All panelists : Randy – anything you want to talk about this morning – send the link here.
10:13:38 From Doris Haskell : I am enjoying the handsome bow tie that John Laws is sporting today.
10:14:38 From Shelley Murphy : The quality is way better!
10:17:49 From Doris Haskell : When the time is right, I just realized I have something to share about family birthday calendars/spreadsheets.
10:18:04 From Danine Cozzens : The ics calendar on zoom works well for me — just click and go.
10:18:19 From Valerie Eichler Lair : Windows 10 PC
10:18:20 From Jacqueline Wilson : Mac HiSierra
10:18:22 From Denise Coughlin to All panelists : Work computer via Chrome 🙂
10:18:23 From Debi Polen : windows 10 laptop
10:18:25 From Pam Helm : I am on a desktop mac
10:18:26 From Dawn Carlile : Windows 10 pc laptop
10:18:26 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : It does not hangup, stall, or stop at the most inopportune times where you have to restart.
10:18:29 From Milissa Boyer Kafes to All panelists : windows 10 pc
10:18:34 From Molly McKinley to All panelists : Windows 10 desktop
10:18:36 From Betty-Lu Burton : Windows 7 PC laptop
10:18:38 From Valerie Lisk : Windows 7 laptop on Chrome
10:18:39 From Kim Knepper to All panelists : Samsung tablet
10:18:40 From Deb Andrew : Ipad Pro
10:18:41 From Mary Lou Gravatt : Windows 10 PC tower
10:18:43 From Denise Olson to All panelists : my iPad – great quality
10:18:43 From Danine Cozzens : MacBook Pro 2012 Laptop
10:18:44 From Cheri Passey : Windows 10, running on chrome. Great quality!
10:18:52 From Shelley Murphy : I am at work and on Windows 10, laptop, PC.
10:18:54 From Sheryl Zeringue to All panelists : Windows 10 laptop on Chrome
10:18:57 From Joanne Shackford Parkes : On Mac PowerBook – transition to Zoom was very easy but that’s because of the hard work behind the scenes by you guys
10:18:58 From Elizabeth McMurrey to All panelists : Windows10 PC, very good quality.
10:19:05 From Cyndy Bray to All panelists : windows 7 laptop quality good
10:19:17 From Yvonne Demoskoff : Windows 7, Chrome; the best thing so far is that the connection doesn’t drop like it regularly did when using Bus. Hangouts
10:19:19 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : I have Windows 10 laptop and/or desktop.
10:19:20 From Marcia Philbrick to All panelists : Windows 10 PC (normally on a Windows 10 laptop – but it is running updates)
10:19:21 From Susan Bleimehl : Windows 10 laptop Chrome browser DLS internet connection.
10:19:30 From Shelley Murphy : I agree Joanne…it was an ease, at home I am on my Macbook Pro 2012
10:19:38 From Marie V Melchiori to All panelists : I’;m using Win7 Pro and it’s really fuzzy
10:19:51 From Debi Polen : downloaded the client – not via browser
10:20:00 From Dawn Carlile : I prefer that unless you are screen sharing that you show all of the panelists.
10:20:17 From RandySeaver to All panelists : my Windows 7 PC doesn’t start Zoom very fast, but it did eventually. Probably because of CPU and memory issues
10:20:52 From Denise Coughlin to All panelists : the only thing I don’t like about Zoom is the inability to pause the talking. Google Hangouts I was able to do that. But still Zoom not bad! [It is possible to pause the talking, pause the recording, mute people if you are the host, spotlight people if you are the host, etc.]
10:22:21 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : Dawn, I agree, I like seeing all the panelists.
10:22:31 From Doris Haskell : Windows10 PC here
10:23:16 From Jacqueline Wilson : Week 2 = your favorite photo
10:23:20 From AnnaMatthews : Week 2 was Favorite Photo
10:24:10 From RandySeaver : I’m up to 210 posts for 52 Ancestors going down my Ahnentafel list – in the 6th great-grands now.
10:24:33 From RandySeaver : that was 3.5 years ago on FS
10:24:59 From HilaryGadsby :

10:27:25 From Cousin Russ :
10:27:25 From Shelley Murphy : I am enjoying it.

10:28:48 From Cousin Russ : @DLGenealogist Jan 21 Share a story about your Ancestors who fought in the Civil War.

10:28:52 From DaveRobison : Amy Johnson Crow will be our “virtual” speaker at the April meeting of Western  Massachusetts Genealogical Society.

10:29:22 From Shelley Murphy : Oh Dave I would like to tune in on that one, I love Amy!

10:29:25 From Cousin Russ :

10:29:26 From Marcia Philbrick : There is also a #genealogyphotoaday activity on Instagram and Twitter. I think Genealogy Girls on Facebook is the sponsor.

10:30:43 From Cousin Russ : @GenealogyGirlTalks and #genealogyphotoaday
10:32:04 From Doris Haskell : Polyester [Myrt says Thanks for reminding me Doris!]
10:32:05 From Deb Andrew : Bow ties are cool!
10:33:07 From HilaryGadsby : We had snow on the hills in Wales but now warmer
10:33:17 From Betty-Lu Burton : No you sent the snow to the southeastern part of the USA
10:33:26 From Valerie Eichler Lair : GOOD for you John!!! {{{hugs}}}
10:35:06 From Cousin Russ :

10:35:52 From Cousin Russ :

10:40:01 From Marcia Philbrick : My most recent blog about the indexing issue:

10:42:45 From Marcia Philbrick : Randy’s post dated Oct 31, 2017 contains links to all of the posts I wrote in October –

10:45:01 From Marcia Philbrick : May have a 3rd issue — My DNA results are missing a lot of the shared matches that were there when my DNA was connected to my old tree (Pre RootsMagic TreeShare).
10:47:57 From Rachel Evans to All panelists : I’m rebuilding my tree and the hints I get only appear once I sync my tree.
10:48:17 From Betty-Lu Burton : So do you have to have an Ancestry source on everyone in your tree or do you just need to have an Ancestry source for one person in the tree for the whole tree to be indexed?
10:49:07 From Marcia Philbrick : It is my understanding that I have to have at least one Ancestry source in order for a person to be found. Thus, one Ancestry source for each person. Marcia Philbrick
10:51:52 From Linda Stufflebean to All panelists : The most annoying thing about Ancestry’s idea of a source is that an Ancestry Tree is considered a source.
10:52:27 From Linda Stufflebean : The most annoying thing about Ancestry’s idea of a source is that an Ancestry Tree is considered a source.
10:53:33 From Joanne Shackford Parkes : I’m currently going through all of my shared DNA matches and researching the same person. I’m am finding a few folks who have a shared ancestor on Ancestry but are not showing up as shared matches — am not sure why.
10:55:20 From Rachel Evans : I use the library for ancestry so I download the images and make my own source when I get home. It almost feels like I’m being forced to have a subscription for people to find my tree.
10:55:28 From Shelley Murphy : Ancestry is not a source.
10:55:46 From RandySeaver : Ancestry has been removing record collections on a regular basis – 21 last week, 20 the week before. We don’t know what they were.
10:56:20 From Marie V Melchiori to All panelists : But most people don’t realize that an Ancestry Tree is “another source.”
10:56:32 From Marcia Philbrick : I’ve been waiting for the indexing issue to be resolved before trying to resolve the DNA issue. The shared matches are still there (thus not privatized) but they aren’t showing up as a ‘hint’ match when we have common ancestors.
10:57:00 From Tony Proctor : I can’t imagine that Ancestry is deliberately excluding sources other than their own — that would be a MAJOR issue of genealogical naivety — so it must be a coding bug or a misunderstanding in one of their implementation teams
10:58:16 From RandySeaver : I fear that Dilbert’s pointy-haired boss has joined Ancestry in a management position over Trees
10:59:31 From Marcia Philbrick : According to RootsMagic — it is an Ancestry API issue. Ancestry only recognizes their citations. If I have a free form citation with within the citation, it is not picked up as an Ancestry source.

11:01:49 From Cousin Russ : Jennifer de Fiebre – January 20 at 9:49pm – “I heard back from MyHeritage regarding my support ticket about whether an active subscription was required to message my DNA matches. Support has confirmed this is the case. This makes MyHeritage the first testing company that requires a subscription to contact your matches. That’s deeply disappointing, especially since I actually purchased a kit from MyHeritage instead of transferring my results from another testing company for free.”
11:01:59 From Shelley Murphy : I have a kit from them for the last 6 months and have not used it yet. To me, they are too new to the game.
11:02:01 From Dawn Carlile : I transferred my results but I also had a subscription to MyHeritage.
11:03:51 From HilaryGadsby : Is this because they are trying to encourage us to add trees
11:04:51 From Rachel Evans : I transferred my results and my husband’s to myheritage with no subscription but have not contacted anybody yet. I may have to try it later though.
11:04:55 From Deb Andrew : Before I had a dna test with them, and on a free account, I could communicate with others
11:04:58 From Doris Haskell : I have only tested with Ancestry. Same with our neighbor, whose mother we found in October. I plan to take advantage of specials at RootsTech to test with other companies to take Baline’s suggestion.

11:05:16 From Marilyn Poole to All panelists : My understanding is that you need a (Free) subscription with My Heritage but the paid portion is for their database. Unless I’m mistaken.
11:05:44 From Valerie Eichler Lair : I have not tested with MH, but I was going to upload my raw data to them. However, with what our dear genie-bud Jennifer says, I probably won’t since I do not have a subscription with MH. This is frustrating! 🙁
11:06:04 From Jacqueline Wilson : I was told that I did not need to ‘test’ at MyHeritage as I transferred my FtDNA test results to MyH.
11:06:57 From Molly McKinley to All panelists : I had the free account and did my DNA with them and could contact the people. I have since then got the data subscription.
11:07:04 From HilaryGadsby : Is it more about being able to initiate communication rather than not being able to communicate.
11:07:30 From Deb Andrew : If it reverts back, the tree will go back to 250 people.
11:08:15 From HilaryGadsby : Ancestry will not let you initiate contact unless you have a paid account but you can reply
11:08:39 From Betty-Lu Burton : I wonder if you once had a paid subscription and then go to a free subscription if it would be treated as still a paid subcription for contacting people
11:08:39 From Shelley Murphy : I am not sure I want to even transfer to them. [Myrt says I would recommend testing with MyHeritage. This is another testing pool in which to fish for possible DNA matches.]
11:09:34 From Doris Haskell : I would be happy if more DNA matches would use GEDmatch.
11:09:38 From June Butka : I did transfer. Until the 17th I had a subscription. I just tried to use my DNA matches today. I can’t contact my matches.
11:10:06 From Shelley Murphy : let’s invite Mr. David (or what ever his name is to join us. He is on other things.)
11:10:30 From Mary Foxworthy to All panelists : My Heritage — When my subscription expired I lost the ability to contact DNA matches

11:11:42 From Cousin Russ : DearMYRTLE and Cousin Russ recognize the United Nations’ International Decade for People of African Descent 2015-2024. We reach out to _all_ regardless of race, color, creed or national origin with support for researching family and documenting cultural inheritance.
11:12:39 From Cousin Russ : NextGen LIVE! with Blaine Bettinger 22 Jan 2018 8pm Eastern

11:14:30 From Doris Haskell : I already see an application for me with Trello. RootsTech, vendors to visit, classes to attend, DNA tests to purchase, books to look for, tools/toys to buy.
11:14:34 From Danine Cozzens : Which level of paying for Trello lets you do all this? (I have the free version and it
11:15:31 From Valerie Eichler Lair : Danine -I can do all of the things that Myrt is showing on Trello…in mine for free. 🙂
11:16:42 From DaveRobison to All panelists : How do you get the checklist? I can add events, but I can’t “check them off.”
11:16:55 From Danine Cozzens : Good to hear! Originally I could not add pix so I haven’t even tried.
11:17:02 From Cheri Passey : I use trello for everthing!
11:17:40 From Mary Lou Gravatt : I was thinking about using Trello for my 52 Ancestors each month.
11:18:25 From Rachel Evans : I’ve started using Trello for a research toolbox. It enables me to make cards for specific topic so works well.
11:18:33 From HilaryGadsby : I have Trello on my phone and tablet
11:19:08 From Shelley Murphy : Mary Lou that is a great idea!
11:19:19 From Doris Haskell : Becky has a lot of genealogy photos and documents on her Trello cards. I want to learn how to do that.
11:19:40 From Marcia Philbrick : How does one access tonights NextGenLive?
11:21:29 From Mary Lou Gravatt : Hilary that what I was thinking about doing with the 52 ancestors.
11:21:51 From June Butka : I may just attempt to learn Trello. it should help me with my 52 Ancestors and the Book of me Prompts.
11:22:17 From Marcia Philbrick : Hilary – Can you pull the photos directly from Trello in your blog? (Or do you need to go to the folder on your computer to insert the photo?) [Trello is for planning, not to link to your blog.]
11:22:23 From AnnaMatthews to All panelists : Marcia, NextGenLive broadcasts on their channel on YouTube.
11:22:48 From RandySeaver : Is Trello searchable by search engines? If not, why add blog content to Trello? I can see using it for blog prompts and research ideas
11:23:03 From AnnaMatthews : Marcia, NextGenLive broadcasts on their channel on YouTube.
11:23:09 From Cheri Passey : Hilary, I use Trello for #52Ancestors too. I have lists for each type of post I write. Helps so much to keep them all organized!
11:23:21 From Cousin Russ : CONTINUE the conversation after the webinar in DearMYRTLE’s Google+ Community with comments to this post:
11:24:07 From Doris Haskell : MYRT, you seem to be feeling much better than you did two weeks ago. Makes me happy.

11:24:39 From Cousin Russ : GeneaWebinars Calendar of Hangouts, Webinars and Online Chats this coming week:
11:24:57 From Cousin Russ :
11:26:11 From jason Holt : Sorry I was super late! Not programmed to tune in on Mondays as I usually have to work!
11:26:14 From Valerie Eichler Lair : I know I’ll need some tissues to dry the tears at Wednesday’s GenDoc. Bittersweet.
11:26:34 From Shelley Murphy : Enjoy the rest of your day!
11:26:52 From Debi Polen : Thank you.
11:26:58 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : Thank you once again.
11:27:00 From Doris Haskell : Thank you, everyone. Especially Cousin Russ and dearMYRTLE
11:28:24 From Jacqueline Wilson : Hilary – I used to read the 1st one mentioned.
11:29:14 From DearMYRTLE :
11:30:32 From Valerie Lisk : St. Louis County Library has magazines online.
11:32:39 From Linda Jordan to All panelists : Many libraries have magazines online.

We learn by comparing and contrasting the history and culture of a community with others. Though you may not have early British immigrants to America, this study group offers ideas about what folkways to look for. The ones marked with a red asterisk below are those I’ll tend to focus on during our discussions in this series.


  • 17 Jan 2018
    East Anglia to Massachusetts: The Exodus of the English Puritans 1629-41
  • 31 Jan 2018
    The South of England to Virginia: Distressed Cavaliers and Indentured Servants 1642-75
  • 7 Feb 2018
    North Midlands to the Delaware: The Friends’ Migration 1675-1725
  • 7 Mar 2018
    Borderlands to the Back Country: The Flight from North Britain 1717-1775

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