10:14:50 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : I would think not being able to always hear one’s spouse might lead to HAPPINESS.
10:15:00 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : :::GIGGLE:::
10:15:27 From Lisa Gorrell : The marriage could be doomed when you’re living with your in-laws.
10:15:37 From Robbin Smith : true
10:15:47 From DearMYRTLE . : I would think not being able to always hear one’s spouse might lead to HAPPINESS. :::GIGGLE:::
10:15:49 From Marceline Beem : I wonder if the instructions were to include children who were temporarily away at school
10:15:50 From Cary Bright : Great point Lisa
10:18:05 From Danine Cozzens : Graduating from 8th grade was an accomplishment in the 19th C. As we consider high school graduation now.
10:18:19 From Cousin Russ : https://www.gallaudet.edu/about/history-and-traditions
10:22:07 From Robbin Smith : http://berkeleycitizensaction.org/?page_id=430 more info on deaf and blind school
10:22:56 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : U.S. Special Census on Deaf Family Marriages and Hearing Relatives, 1888-1895 https://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=1582
10:23:06 From Cousin Russ : U.S. Special Census on Deaf Family Marriages and Hearing Relatives, 1888-1895 https://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=1582
10:26:24 From Cathy Naborowski : Ms. Passey is hard to hear.
10:28:46 From Marceline Beem to All panelists : I’ll be back in a couple of minutes. I’m cold and need coffee.
10:30:38 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : I still do the transcribing – as it helps me internalize the info, and I remember to read the entire line all the way across.
10:31:36 From Danine Cozzens : Filling blank census forms out has helped me in dealing with family groups or to disambiguate persons of same name.
10:32:10 From Launa Droescher : Years ago I found a place online that I could fill-in census forms and could keep one XLS set for each family group. Even printed out on legal paper.
10:40:00 From Rebecca Williams : https://www.censustools.com/ has spreadsheets for census records.
10:41:19 From DearMYRTLE . : Census Tools is a paid spreadsheet program, but you may download the 1940 templates for free.
10:49:37 From Cary Bright : Love the table format Sue. Great headers
10:50:24 From Cousin Russ : https://www.cyndislist.com/evernote
10:51:04 From June Butka : Happy Holiday to everyone. I’m off to an appointment.
10:52:33 From Cousin Russ : AmericaGen Study Group – Chapter 14 & 15 Combined Homework: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EBCJ5B3QFXGwTGvEoJa1gX3lmoj-wY4LKNuzlVTLS3M/edit?usp=sharing
10:59:59 From Danine Cozzens : If it’s any consolation, “dumb” used to mean “unable to speak”.
11:02:51 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : mothers having reubella?
11:05:22 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : Melinda, it’s good to see you here. 🙂
11:09:30 From Cousin Russ : AmericaGen Study Group – Chapter 14 & 15 Combined Homework: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EBCJ5B3QFXGwTGvEoJa1gX3lmoj-wY4LKNuzlVTLS3M/edit?usp=sharing
11:10:05 From Danine Cozzens : Thanks to all!
DearMYRTLE and Cousin Russ recognize the United Nations’ International Decade for People of African Descent 2015-2024. We reach out to _all_ regardless of race, color, creed, sexual orientation or national origin with support for researching family and documenting cultural inheritance.
Colleen (Robledo) Greene, MLIS, is a librarian, web developer, and educator. She is the Marketing Librarian for California State University, Fullerton, and teaches an online graduate-level genealogical methodology course for San Jose State University. Her teaching focuses on Mexican and Hispanic research; DNA; methodology; search strategies; emerging technologies; and society marketing and communications.
00:42:00 Cousin Russ: Colleen’s Hispanic ancestors hail from Mexico, California, New Mexico, and Texas. She recently conducted research trips in Mexico and Spain.
00:57:05 Kim Cotton: Hi. My Mexican ancestors are from Tepehuanes, Durango, Mexico, and a few towns in Chihuahua, Mexico.
01:11:42 Cousin Russ: Janice – please type your question
01:19:28 Cousin Russ: Wikipedia: Casta System – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casta
01:34:39 Cousin Russ: Wikipedia (English): State of San Luis Potosí – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Luis_Potos%C3%AD
01:35:38 Janine Edmée Hakim: does your incredibly rich research cover those of Iberian descent who helped found/develop New Amsterdam ?
IMAGE: Joe Robledo Household, 1930 US population schedule, California, Los Angeles County, Los Angeles, Enumeration District 19-1, Block 13, Page 14b, Lines 75-83, Ancestry.com. 1930 United States Federal Census , database & images Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2002, citing United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Fifteenth Census of the United States, 1930. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1930. T626.
Norwegian Genealogy 1 hangout with Liv Birgit Christensen, hosted by DearMYRTLE is now archived. Ol’ Myrt here particularly appreciated the census index correlated to previous census years. Every site we visited was open, requiring no membership fees to view the content. We also spent time discussing the Google Translate Chrome browser extention, and the Google Translate iOS app that assists travelers needing to understand menus and bus schedules.
NOTE FROM DearMYRTLE: This is a detailed commentary composed with the hope Ancestry.com will take immediate action to remedy this situation.
Is Ancestry “dreaming up” new census fields for the 1900 US federal population abstracts associated with its collection of census images? Maybe Ancestry is interpreting what an enumerator meant he made notations in various fields on his census form?
Russ viewed indexed entries and accompanying digital image of original census pages through his Family Tree Maker 2017 software. The problem has little if anything to do with FTM or RootsMagic, but instead reveals a problem with how Ancestry.com presents the indexed entries on its website.
Here are Ol’ Myrt’s concerns.
THERE WAS NO MOTHER FIELD
Why has Ancestry chosen to rename the “relationship to head of family” field to “mother”?
It sounds like a database manager, rather than a genealogist, has become overly creative but incorrect with labels for indexed data. This problem will lead less experienced researchers to incorrect relationship conclusions.
Using Ancestry’s iOS app, I ran into this same problem. When reviewing a census image, the abstract assumed the wife was mother to all children in the household. Luckily I knew about a first wife who died. I had to go to my desktop and update my Ancestry Member Tree to assign children in the census to the correct parents and attach the census image manually.
This begs the question – what if I didn’t know about the first wife and her several children?
How does this happen?
In Russ’ example and mine, Ancestry’s census abstracts assume a woman listed as a wife to head of family is the mother to those listed as sons and daughters of the head of family, when in fact she may not be.(1)
Cousin Russ correctly noticed there was no field labeled “Ethnicity” though the 1900 population schedule does have a tiny column “Race or Color.” WHY has Ancestry chosen to rename the field “ethnicity”?
Why is Ancestry interpreting abbreviations?
There is no ethnicity known as “American” nor is there room to write that in the tiny box. (2) Only these abbreviations are found in “126. Column 5 Color or Race” description.
B = black (negro or of negro descent)
Ch = Chinese
Jp = Japanese
In = Indian
As the cas=e may be.” (3)
I’m thinking an unspecified abbreviation “A” written by the enumerator could represent “Asian” (different from Chinese or Japanese) but it certainly could not be “American” since there is no such race or color. Either way, only the letter “A” should appear in Ancestry’s abstract.
In Russ’ example the letter “W” for white has been entered as “American” in Ancestry’s abstract.
TYPE WHAT YOU SEE
It appears Ancestry database managers have incorrectly and inappropriately chosen to interpret what an enumerator wrote in a column of abbreviations? (Sigh)
In the US we consider a transcript a word-for-word printed or typed version of a document.
In the US we consider an abstract a selection of text from a document considered important for the purposes of the abstractor. This make take the form on an index.
In no way should a transcript, abstract or index depart from original spelling, abbreviations or labels in a document; nor should the compiler of a transcript, abstract or index interpret the original text.
Anything less increases the possibility that those reading the transcript, abstract or index may draw the wrong conclusion.
This is is a case for “get the original.”
Happy family tree climbing!
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