ARCHIVED: Mondays with Myrt – 15 Apr 2019


Congratulations to our friend and colleague Randy Seaver for 13 years of exemplary genealogy blogging. Always forthright in his comparisons of programs and websites, we particularly appreciate his step-by-step directions demonstrating how to accomplish a specific genea-task. We heartily recommend following Randy at: .


This week’s MwM attendees appreciate Graham Walter, our man in London, who demos some new map features on The Genealogist website. We discuss preparing to visit a distant cemetery, FindAGrave, BillionGraves, ordering a replacement headstone for a US military veteran, and take a look at Gary’s citation for the online presentation of a digitized record. John Laws, our man not in Edinburgh, Scotland asks “Is it time to drop Dropbox?” and shares a related video from Steve Dotto. Myrt demos how to share a specific Dropbox file with someone. With so many genea-buds traveling, we suggest “Wifi in Europe” a short subject video from Valerie & Myrt’s Excellent Genealogy Adventures blog. The equipment Myrt favors works in 120+ countries throughout the world without needing to change SIM cards.



10:00:30 From Graham Walter : Hello from London
10:01:01 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : Good Morning everyone.
10:01:08 From Hilary Gadsby : Hello from Wales
10:01:10 From Yvonne Demoskof : Happy anniversary, Randy!
10:01:26 From Pamela Wells : Congrats, Randy! Great job!
10:01:35 From Deb Andrew : Congrats Randy
10:02:00 From Cousin Russ : Happy Blogiversary to Randy Seaver
10:02:08 From Robbin Smith : Good day from Miami
10:02:09 From Valerie Lisk : Congrats Randy and hello from St. Louis.
10:02:19 From Robbin Smith : Congrats Randy!
10:02:23 From Gloria Oren : Good morning from Washington state
10:02:37 From Kathleen Daetsch : Congrats Randy
10:02:51 From Bill West : Gooood morning from soggy Massachusetts!
10:02:57 From Gloria Oren : Moved down recently from Redmond to Vancouver
10:03:01 From Robbin Smith : A bit rainy here in Miami
10:03:02 From Kathleen Daetsch : New York City Raining here too
10:03:10 From Crystal Toenjes to All panelists : Don’t complain about rain, we go almost 6 inches of snow out here in the Chicago area!
10:03:10 From Danine Cozzens : Hello from cloudy SF Bay area!
10:03:11 From Bill West : And Happy Blogiversary, Randy!
10:03:24 From Pat Kuhn : very windy!!!! here in central PA
10:03:31 From John Laws : Hello from North Berick in Bonnie Scotland Enjoyed our meet with Charles E ‘Chuck’ Laws from Johnson TN Hope you enjoyed Scotland
10:03:37 From Valerie Lisk : We had a wind storm yesterday that took down trees, took out power, phone and internet.
10:03:39 From Graham Walter : THE GENEALOGIST
10:03:49 From Doris Haskell : Greetings from rainy Rock Springs, Wyoming. How about the news that 5G will be coming to the USA?
10:04:12 From Sue Tolbert to All panelists : Visiting Denton, Texas today where the sun is shining.
10:08:21 From Robbin Smith : wow very cool
10:12:22 From Hilary Gadsby : Just found one of the cemeteries where my ancestors were buried
10:14:52 From Marcia Philbrick : I would check BillionGraves first since there are GPS coordinates on Billion Graves.
10:15:11 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : If I couldn’t find information for a sexton or keeper, I would try the town hall, and if no luck there, I would try a local library.
10:15:22 From Marcia Philbrick : Check local library and city offices to see if they have any records.
10:15:26 From DearMYRTLE : FindAGrave
10:15:30 From marian koalski to All panelists : Call the cemetery office if one exists.
10:15:30 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : .
10:15:54 From DearMYRTLE : Billion Graves

10:16:59 From Deb Andrew : The area they are going to a rural area. Local churches, other cemeteries with caretakers may know, local funeral.
10:17:19 From Launa : try to look at florist directory. they might have cemetery info
10:18:41 From Deb Andrew : Murphysboro, Jackson county, Illinois, is the one from the fb group. My local area I was from.
10:19:00 From Graham Walter : I also use Google or Facebook to find the cemetery and then find out information from other visitors who been there
10:19:52 From Danine Cozzens : Check the website for the local genealogy societies — they may have links and clues.

10:20:27 From Randy Seaver: Here is a blog post about Charles Auble burial site –
10:21:09 From Randy Seaver : My great-grandfather, Charles Auble, doesn’t have a stone in Mount Hope Cemetery in San diego. His obituary says he would be buried in another cemetery. The Mount Hope office gave me a map showing his location – beautiful green grass! I have a photo of it. Find A Grave has the wrong location for him – I need to fix it.

10:21:22 From Frances Stein : Congrats to Randy Seaver! Great blog! Thank you!!!!
10:21:30 From Deb Andrew to All panelists : FB groups that are from that area and counties.
10:22:24 From Robbin Smith : Yep that happened to me too, no headstone
10:22:37 From Gary Gauthier : I have an ancestor who also doesn’t have a headstone, Randy
10:24:08 From Kathy Richardson : A few of my Johnson ancestors are buried in Mount Hope Cemetery
10:24:43 From Valerie Lisk : I wish I could afford to put stones on all of my ancestors.
10:24:44 From Rachel Evans : I always contact the cemetery before I go. The cemetery I volunteer with only opens to the public once a month in warmer weather. However, if someone asks someone may meet them and walk them through when it’s closed. We also have events which may mean it is unavailable at given times.
10:24:50 From Pat Kuhn : have a few of these, no stone graves
10:25:30 From que251 : Calvary Cemetery in Queens wanted me to pay $2500 in maintenance fees and my gggrandparents did not even have a tombstone.
10:27:15 From Frances Stein : Calvary Cemetery in Queens, NY also tried to get $$ from me. I requested info on my husband’s ancestors. They provided a bit, told me that there were 11 people in that plot, and for $114, they would provide a full list. No thanks…LOL!
10:27:25 From Rachel Evans : que I got the same thing from them for multiple plots.
10:27:29 From Marcia Philbrick : Nemaha County, Kansas has cemetery notebooks for all of the cemeteries in the county. Those notebooks can be found at the historical society AND at the public libraries across the county.
10:27:41 From Kathleen Daetsch : I found a gravestone of one of my late husbands ancestors the stone is completly covered with a bush. I nearly missed it.
10:27:50 From Robbin Smith : I was in County Meath, and in Moynalty there was a visitors’ center with the map of the CofI cemetery
10:28:17 From Marcia Philbrick : Some tombstones are missing now and those older books have the information in them.
10:28:35 From Gary Gauthier : In small towns, the town office is a valuable source for grave locations. Sometimes the personnel serve in several posts.
10:29:05 From Pat Kuhn : the cemetery I am secretary for has no office on location, so people need to get in touch with me sometimes through our grounds keeper.
10:29:17 From Michelle Minner : the local historical society in Hermann, Missouri has fundraisers, where volunteers stand by headstones dressed in appropriate era costumes…and tourists take a tour of the cemetery. A lot of fun, and helps with raising money to keep the cemetery in shape.
10:29:22 From Randy Seaver : My Chula Vista Gen Society did a CD for Glen Abbey Memorial Park in nearby Bonita – from inception through 1999. Took `10 years to do, but it’s very useful. We have done La Vista Cemetery in National City – the first one in south SD County. Ready to publish. All volunteer effort.
10:29:34 From Hilary Gadsby : I have found headstone for Arthur Conan Doyle in the graveyard where I am trying to find my family
10:29:56 From Deb Andrew : The cemetery where my 2x great grandparents are in a cemetery that was on someone’s land. One family petition the curt to get an easement for access to the cemetery.
10:30:23 From Graham Walter : Friends of Tower Hamlets –
10:31:14 From Kathleen Daetsch : If the ancestor with no stone is a veteran the V.A. will put a stone on it.
10:31:23 From Graham Walter : all Israel
10:32:29 From Doris Haskell : If the VA won’t, check with the local American Legion, VFW or DAR.

10:33:20 From Doris Haskell : They get local volunteers to donate for a specific project.
10:33:23 From Gary Gauthier : I can speak for Canada here in municipal cemeteries for veterans headstones
10:34:03 From marian koalski to All panelists : In Massachusetts, each town has a town official who handles veterans affairs. I expect counties in other states might have similar officials, who can provide the form for requesting a military stone.
10:34:41 From Pat Kuhn : my grandfather’s had an incorrect birth year
10:35:15 From Kathleen Daetsch : My cousin was applying for a civil war veteran in a local family plot but I don’t know what the outcome was.
10:36:01 From wanda looney to All panelists : I found a veteran grave in the woods where he lived, no family is alive, how do i get him moved to the veteran cemetery in my state, they stated they will accept his remains if I can get him moved
10:36:06 From Hazel Meldrum : In Scotland it is a good idea to contact the local family History society as there is a history of creating Monumental Inscription booklets these include maps.
10:36:51 From Kathleen Daetsch : In the national cemetery at calverton L.I. they replace the stones when they get worn of messy looking.

10:37:33 From Cousin Russ : Edmonton Cemetery (in Canada)
10:39:27 From Mary Lou Gravatt : My Great-grandparents do not have a headstone; their youngest son is buried in the same plot with a headstone. A list from the cemetery and their grandson telling where his father is buried helped me find the grave.
10:39:39 From Kathleen Daetsch : I found relatives who had been interned in another cemetery but they couldn’t tell me why
10:39:49 From Cousin Russ :
10:40:25 From Pat Stano-Carpenter : We recently had a gov. marker made up for my father-in-law and were encouraged to not do it in bronze because of theft.
10:41:02 From marian koalski to All panelists : Pat, that’s very interesting (and sad).
10:43:19 From Kathleen Daetsch : The ancestor who was interned has no marker I wonder if there was a headstone in the original cemetery.
10:51:46 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : In Denmark the graves and cemeteries are located at the churches. Families are required to maintain the graves or pay to have the church maintain them. If a family does not pay, the church removes the headstones and toss them into a headstone graveyard behind the church and bury someone else in the sight on top of your family member.
10:52:49 From Randy Seaver : Gary, did you have to figure out the content and elements, and order of elements, yourself, or was there an Evidence Explained model you used?
10:53:22 From marian koalski  : Have we allowed Ancestry or FamillySearch to establish “Image” as a standard without consulting the community? Or ISO?
10:53:27 From Randy Seaver : I think you did a great job on this.
10:54:07 From Randy Seaver : This is really hard to do from scratch!
10:55:51 From Randy Seaver : Marian – I think EE uses “image” for many of the citation models for digitized records
10:56:28 From Randy Seaver : I use “image x of y all the time in my citations – it’s the key shortcut to the actual record.
10:56:29 From Cathy Naborowski : I keep both locality guides and repository guides in Evernote.
10:56:55 From Graham Walter : Looking at the record in context of the data set as a whole
10:57:50 From Rachel Evans : I need to check the record set. I have several who served in WW1 in Canada. Thanks Gary!
11:00:28 From marian koalski to All panelists : I think Gary is wise to use the term that the bac-lac web site uses.

11:05:25 From Cousin Russ : Elizabeth Shown Mills – 5 years ago What is the main purpose of a #citation? No, it’s not “identifying our source so others know what we used” or “so it can be found again.”

11:11:35 From Cousin Russ : U.S., Headstone Applications for Military Veterans, 1925-1963

11:12:31 From Robbin Smith : Steve Dotto
11:12:38 From Launa to All panelists : I watch him all the time
11:12:45 From Yvonne Demoskof : Hes’ aged since I last saw his pc/tech show
11:12:48 From Cousin Russ : – Is it Time to Drop Dropbox?
11:12:54 From marian koalski to All panelists : John, I like him a lot, too. Steve Dotto. I got lots of ideas for using Evernote from his videos.
11:13:13 From Robbin Smith : he does techy youtube video
11:13:18 From Graham Walter : Dropbox offers this information
. Quoting:
“Other Dropbox users can’t see your files in Dropbox unless you share links to files or share folders. Like most online services, we have a small number of employees who must be able to access user data for the reasons stated in our privacy policy (e.g., when legally required to do so). But that’s the rare exception, not the rule. “
11:13:54 From Cousin Russ : SYNC

11:14:12 From Gary Gauthier to All panelists : Randy, you asked about whether I used EE or figured the citation format out myself… I used the EE principles as a basis, but the example has no direct “template” in the EE book.

11:17:19 From Jim Everhart to All panelists : Check out a video by Steve Dotto about Sync and the Terms notice from Dropbox claiming the have the use of your data if they want
11:18:53 From Kathleen Daetsch : That is how mine is set up I use dropbox and sync. I also have one drive with some pictures.
11:19:53 From Gary Gauthier : 10 MB drive was $800 CDN in about 1980.

11:22:43 From Cousin Russ : “Wifi in Europe”


11:23:08 From Cousin Russ : THEGenShow2019 – For #ThePhotoAlchemistComp, we’ve decided to EXTEND the deadline for photo submissions! Got any 😍 #blackandwhite couples photos/ a portrait you’d ❤️ to see in colour? You have until Wednesday 24 April, 5pm to send them in! See our competition page

11:23:23 From Cousin Russ : Valerie & Myrt’s Excellent Genealogy Adventures “Spotlight: The Photo Alchemist Competition”

11:24:01 From John Laws : For Trip Planning download Trip it keep all your itinerary in one place

Advanced Genetic Genealogy
11:24:36 From Cousin Russ : Debbie Parker Wayne, Editor of Advanced Genetic Genealogy: Techniques and Case Studies
11:24:48 From Louis Kessler to All panelists : Hi
11:29:35 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : Review by Louis Kessler
11:29:42 From Cousin Russ : “The names of the chapter writers is a who’s who of genetic genealogy: Bartlett, Bettinger, Hobbs, Johnson, Johnston, Jones, Kennett, Lacopo, Owston, Powell, Russell, Stanbary,Turner and Wayne. If you know who these people are, then you are likely knowledgeable enough in this field to take in their wisdom. It is advanced. This is no beginners course. You’ll have to have experience and the knowledge of working with your DNA to fully grasp what is said.” From Louie Kessler’s review of Advanced Genetic Genealogy: Techniques and Case Studies
11:29:58 From Randy Seaver : I put Louis’ post in Best of the Genea-Blogs this week.

11:31:30 From Louis Kessler to All panelists : By the way, You’ll note in Debbie Parker Wayne’s errata that there is just one small item listed. That just illustrates the quality of the work.

11:31:34 From Cousin Russ : Saskatchewan Cummins Map Company Fonds 1917-1930

We are sad to note Notre-Dame in Paris is on fire.

11:31:50 From Deb Andrew : Notre-Dame De Paris is on fire.
11:32:57 From Cathy Naborowski : The Notre Dame fire looks really scary.
11:33:12 From Ellen Thompson-Jennings to All panelists : I’ll be checking that out

11:33:26 From Gary Gauthier : Yes
11:33:38 From Deb Andrew : On tv
11:33:40 From Cathy Naborowski :
11:33:45 From Rachel Evans :
11:33:57 From Hilary Gadsby : Find My Past are now showing hints to newspapers
11:33:57 From Cathy Naborowski : Sorry that’s a big link. The source is my eyes. I’m watching it.
11:34:26 From Maria Tegtmeier to All panelists : Truly sad.
11:34:28 From Yvonne Demoskof : major fire
11:34:38 From Yvonne Demoskof : what a loss this might be
11:34:47 From Gary Gauthier : I have pictures of it from when I lived in Paris
11:35:10 From Valerie Lisk : No! I’ve visited Notre Dame twice an even had Sunday Mass there.
11:36:24 From Graham Walter : bye everyone
11:37:10 From Marcia Philbrick : roof fire at the Kansas State University library affected all collections
11:39:06 From Robbin Smith : oh yes it was destroyed
11:40:35 From LouisKessler to All panelists : Bye all.
11:40:36 From Valerie Lisk : bye

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ARCHIVED: GenDoc Study Group – Chapter 16


Thomas W. Jones, Mastering Genealogical Documentation, (Arlington, Virginia: National Genealogical Society, 2017.) Softbound available from the publisher’s website and in Amazon Kindle format here:

Chapter 16 Multipart Options for Citing Images
“When researchers determine or suspect an image is not a facsimile, they consult the underlying version. In that rare case they do not cite the image. They just site the underlying version they examined.” p 163.

GenDoc STUDY GROUP – Chapter16 Combined Homework

Selected Comments

00:30:00 June Butka: I was reviewing a citation on a DNA hint. It brought me to a source that I hadn’t seen before. Leading me to a great Uncle.
00:30:41 Cousin Russ: Gendocs Chapter 16 – Multipart Options for Citing Images Melinda Culpon
00:30:41 HilaryGadsby: A microfilm is an image but we can get a printed copy of the image.
00:37:37 CaryBright: Awesome variety of documents Melinda!
00:42:42 HilaryGadsby: I know a Bland researcher in England
00:44:56 June Butka: The important of DATING OUR CITATIONS.
00:47:12 Cousin Russ: Sheri Fenley GENDOC Online Study Group Chapter 16: Multipart Options For Citing Images
00:49:41 June Butka: Some even think it is an F or T.
00:51:58 June Butka: I have recently taken photogrpahs of letters and documentation in a desk. I need to cite them properly.
00:52:07 MelindaCulpon: First Postage Stamps authorized in the United States 3 Mar 1847 – USPS
00:55:28 June Butka: If you have the photogrpah of the letter in your possesion, but the letter is in another private residence. Would you cite the image private location or the letters location?
00:56:44 June Butka: Would we need to site the image also?
00:56:50 HilaryGadsby: I have digital images of letters and my sister has the originals
00:57:55 DaveRobison: It was like accepting a collect call!
00:58:56 HilaryGadsby: Who made the digital image?
01:00:41 Cousin Russ: GenDoc STUDY GROUP – Chapter16 Combined Homework
01:00:56 Cousin Russ: Hilary​​ ​​Gadsby Chapter​​ ​​16 “​​Multiparty​ ​Options​ ​for​ ​Citing​ ​Images”
01:02:50 June Butka: If you find the letter in an ancestors desk do you include the desk that has been handed down each generation in the citation?
01:03:25 CaryBright: June, yes for sure because that is the provenance of the letter AND the desk
01:04:01 June Butka: Thank you Cary. That was my thought. I just need to think how to create the citation.
01:04:17 HilaryGadsby: Too often provenance is missing
01:06:24 June Butka: I even have an image of the desk.
01:07:44 HilaryGadsby: Photos found in an album with details about who they are is important. I took photos of the album but have removed the photographs to archival storage.
01:07:56 SheriFenley: Cary I just now notices the photograph wreath behind you – I love it!
01:08:56 CaryBright: I taught Heriloom Crafting at my Gen Society for a few years and made quite a few fun items!
01:09:51 SheriFenley: I am going to email you later today – would you mind sharing a few of those crafty ideas for my gen society? I will of course give you your props
01:13:12 SheriFenley: Hilary – discursive notes girl – discursive notes!
01:15:33 SheriFenley: Dave if hilary were writing for a US audience maybe she should put the country, but not if she were writing for England audience
01:15:41 Danine Cozzens: Even countries change names. Should we cite the name as it was at the time the source was created? or as it is known now? [Cite locations by name when the event took place.]
01:16:12 June Butka: Hilary I scanned my scrapbboks and made a digital bound copy of the album, before archival storage.
01:16:31 SheriFenley: maybe research notes is a better place for that
01:22:07 June Butka: Sorry Danine, not Diane.
01:28:48 Jacqueline Wilson: I am not getting the actual chat – I am jus seeing from … to with no content. Can you republish the homework. Then I might see it – I hope!
01:29:59 CaryBright: make sure you have all panelists and attendees open so you not just on yourselft
01:30:40 Cousin Russ: Jacqueline – Not sure what you are asking. I have posted Myrt’s document and the individual homeworks. What are you missing
01:32:17 June Butka: Good point about Post title verse blog title.
01:37:30 Jacqueline Wilson: Black Hawk War was in Illinois for the most part
01:38:00 Cousin Russ: Chapter 16 Multipart Options for Citing Images Dave Robison
01:38:41 Cousin Russ: Mastering Genealogical Documentation – Chapter 16 Lisa Gorrell
01:39:05 Jacqueline Wilson: Russ, the entire chat before 11:56. It is now showing up. I have had multiple computer issues today.
01:39:21 Jacqueline Wilson: Thanks to all who reposted it!
01:41:09 Cousin Russ: GenDoc Study Group, Ch. 16 Assignment Cary Bright
01:41:09 June Butka: Great job everyone on your homework. Job well done to all.
01:41:31 Cousin Russ: GenDoc STUDY GROUP – Chapter16 Combined Homework
01:41:56 June Butka: I just recieved my Albion Seed book today.
01:42:09 Cousin Russ: The conversation continues —

01:42:32 Cousin Russ: Join Cousin Russ and DearMYRTLE as we play “Pluswords” on GAME NIGHT with Sir Michael Daniels on Friday, 19 Jan 2018 starting at 10pm Eastern.

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ARCHIVED: GenDoc Study Group Chapter 15


We’re up to Chapter 15 “Citing Images of previously Unpublished Materials” where Dr. Jones says

“… organizations have digitized countless volumes of unpublished material. Archives, businesses, governmental, and religious organizations image this material, sometimes with little or no human intervention. Much of it has come from unpublished Genealogical Society of Utah/FamilySearch microfilm mechanically run through scanners.” Source: Jones, Thomas. Mastering Genealogical Documentation (NGS Special Topics Series Book 122) (Kindle Locations 4017-4019). National Genealogical Society, Inc.. Kindle Edition.

Although the author eschews two of the four citation samples he provides, the consensus of the panelists is to include as much in the citation as possible – both WHEREIS and WHEREIn.

We decided it was good  Dr. Jones shows the less-desirable citation formats as they provide us the opportunity to compare and contrast citations we created in our homework.

00:50:13 Valerie EichlerLair: Jones’ [Methodology] course at SLIG [Salt Lake Institute of Genealogy] is going to change your ways Melinda! Plus, all you will have time for is sleep, eat, class, and homework. 🙂
[Comments regarding screen size and video quality]
00:55:57 Dawn Carlile: Very clear!
00:56:09 Ginger Martinez: very clear here too
00:56:09 Melissa Barker: Very clear, I see the red mouse pointer very good!
00:56:09 Jacqueline Wilson: Very Clear!!!!!
00:56:09 MelindaCulpon: looks good
56:12 Anna Matthews: Yes, nice and sharp.
00:56:14 Jane Haldeman: Very sharp and love the pointer
00:56:18 Yvonne Demoskoff: It’s perfect on my monitor, Myrt. Love that little red pointer, too
00:56:49 Sheryl Whisenhunt: Sharp, clear, and red dot for mouse pointer.
00:57:11 Cousin Russ: Thank you all for your feedback
00:59:34 Cousin Russ: Combined Chapter 15 Homework –
00:59:38 Lisa Gorrell: What’s interesting, is this death certificate can still be found in all of the places Cary visited.
00:59:48 Cousin Russ: Thomas W. Jones. Mastering Genealogical Documentation, (Arlington, Virginia: National Genealogical Society, 2017.) Softbound available from the publisher’s website Kindle format at Amazon here:
01:01:36 Melissa Barker: Study the Finding Aid!
01:07:37 Yvonne Demoskoff: I have a few relatives in that CEF database, Dave, so it’s interesting to see how you crafted your citations.
01:09:01 Lisa Gorrell: It’s important when you show the wrong way to do something, is to explain why. When I was training, we never showed the wrong way–we didn’t want people to practice that!
01:12:01 Anna Matthews: The creator of the original record is The Ministry of Overseas Forces of Canada according to the LAC website.
01:13:05 Anna Matthews: I wrote the citation for my Granduncle’s file in both ways that Dr. Jones showed under option 3 but I’m not sure which I prefer or if either one is correct!
01:13:35 MelindaCulpon: Question? Do we think that eventually there will be digital image numbers – that can be tracked like ISP numbers currently?
01:14:00 Yvonne Demoskoff: is that record # needed to find it again?
01:15:27 Yvonne Demoskoff: what if you put instead Dickson’s regt. #?
01:15:43 Anna Matthews: Yes, the Attestation Paper is only the first two images of the file.
01:16:26 Marceline Beem: Melinda, a lot of the journals I used in grad school had what’s called DOI numbers that identified that article no matter what database it was in. So it’s possible, but whether or not it’s practical is another question all together.
01:18:22 Lisa Gorrell: That’s why you need to look at the notes about the database first.
01:20:43 Jacqueline Wilson: At the top of the document, there is a preprinted name. Would that be the author?
01:20:50 Yvonne Demoskoff: Dave, it might be helpful to say it’s an Original att. paper, because there are sometimes duplicates and triplicates out there.
01:22:23 Valerie Eichler Lair: Dave – I’ll spend time this afternoon and tonight on your citation. 🙂 I’ll PM you what I come up with. <hee hee>
01:24:43 Anna Matthews: Dave and Valerie, this is the blog post that I wrote when I was trying to craft my citation for these records, if at all helpful:
01:26:21 Hilary Gadsby: This week we have found out how useful waypoints are in citations
01:26:22 DaveRobison: Anna… Thanks! I’ll take a close look at it after we’re done here.
01:33:50 Cousin Russ: Combined Chapter 15 Homework –


GenDoc Study Group Chapter 5 – Capitalization, Italics, Punctuation and Other Citation Subtleties


GenDoc Study Group – A DearMYRTLE Hangout Series

Join us on Wednesday, 11 Oct 2017 for our live discussion of Chapter 5 – Capitalization, Italics, Punctuation and Other Citation Subtleties from Thomas W. Jones, Mastering Genealogical Documentation, (Arlington, Virginia: National Genealogical Society, 2017.) Softbound available from the publisher’s website Kindle format at Amazon here:

Noon Eastern US (New York), 11am Central US (Chicago), 10am Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 9am Pacific US (Los Angeles)

Panelists have submitted homework with examples from their own research that correlate to Dr. Jones’ points in Chapter 5. The scanned image of their homework, with Ol’ Myrt’s notations is GenDoc_Chapter5scan.pdf – Google Drive

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NOTE: Due to copyright restrictions, participants may not post the questions from the book. Merely write about one part of the chapter that “speaks to you” and provide an example from your own research. When quoting Dr. Jones, merely incorporate a sentence or two in your homework. Thank-you.

Announcing GenDoc Study Group Panelists


The following brave souls have volunteered to be panel participants for the upcoming GenDoc Study Group. Each will take Dr. Thomas W. Jones’ newest book, Mastering Genealogical Documentation, chapter by chapter and post examples from their own research to illustrate points that speak to them. Sessions will begin 13 Sept 2017 at Noon Eastern. Registration will be available shortly before at

Marceline Beem “I have been researching my own family for 20 years, and have researched pro bono for several friends in the last 5 years. Most of my family is in the southeastern U.S., but I do have one line that goes to the Midwest and New England.”

Blaine Bettinger “I need to work on documentation! – I have been a genealogist for 25+ years, and a genealogical professional for 8+ years.”

Claudia Breland “… To get more out of the book, and practice with specific examples. I have the book and have been reading and studying – it’s enormously helpful in my work as a professional genealogist. – I first became interested in family history in 1974, when I was 20. I became a professional genealogist 8 years ago, and have been constantly learning and growing since then. I work with clients, I do genealogy presentations in Western Washington, and I have written books.”

Cary Bright “Started in 1997, as keeper of the last of the family ephemera for my father. Married into a Norman family and I am the only family historian. Love the research and learning to be a much better record keeper. GPS panel member 2015.”

Melinda Culpon “Continue learning. – Have been researching and trying to find more and correctly document information.”

Sheri Fenley “I am almost ready to go “on the clock” again with BCG and feel this will help me quite a bit. I consider myself a professional genealogist but want to become certified and then go for accreditation with ICAPGEN. Need just a bit more education mostly for self-confidence.”

Hilary Gadsby “Want to reflect the subject from the point of view of someone who is using largely sources in the UK. To illustrate that this book is relevant wherever you are carrying out your research. – I have been researching for about 17 years. When I started very little was on the internet. Research consisted of speaking to relatives and following up leads with ordering documents and visiting archives and libraries. I am an amateur who has learnt from others by reading and sharing research strategies. I also recently started a one name study.”

Lisa Gorrell “Creating citations is fun! Being on the panel is rewarding and an honor. Been researching own family over 20 years. Taking clients the past two years. Working towards certification.”

Valerie Eichler Lair “I need to read and study the book. There’s no better way than to “finally” be on a panel. Plus, DearMYRTLE twisted both my arms behind my back! – I am a professional genealogist and have conducted research since 1989.”

Dave Robison “It’s a matter of continuous improvement and self-education. This interactive format is productive and one that I enjoy being a part of. – Beginning in the late 90s, I searched for answers to my family background never offered to me growing up. After making a surprising number of discoveries on my own, I began to assist a few friends and other family members in their own research.”

Mary Jane Saylor “Board member of the Utah Genealogical Association. Served on the SLIG committee as assistant registrar and marketing coordinator. Attend most institutes and conferences, been researching for 30+ years.”

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We have more than 10 panelists to allow for absences. Viewers may complete homework assignments, though priority will be given to discussion of panel participant’s submissions.

Please reference the syllabus and include your name at the top of each homework assignment. Post homework in a blog or public Google Doc and post the link in the hangout for the appropriate chapter’s study group session. Also take care to observe the book’s copyright restrictions.

Thomas W. Jones, Mastering Genealogical Documentation, (Arlington, Virginia: National Genealogical Society, 2017.) Softbound available from the publisher’s website Kindle format at Amazon here:

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