WackyWednesday Q_A

Participate in an unscripted, open discussion in which we consider WHAT are our personal rules for genealogy databases?

  • DOCUMENTATION – direct, indirect, authored work?
  • GPS – Genealogical Proof Standards
  • ONLINE TREES – Private or public (if 90% sure of relationships)
  • CITATIONS – DearMYRTLE’s “Ragu method” (it’s in there), cite first
  • ANALYSIS – is helped when we transcribe and cite well
  • DESKTOP SOFTWARE permits multiple databases
  • BACKUP – cloud, offsite, external hard drive
  • COMPARING ONLINE TREES – Ancestry, FindMyPast, MyHeritage, FamilySearch



19:01:47 From Melissa Barker : Hello Everyone!
19:02:16 From Betty-Lu Burton : Hello Everyone
19:02:58 From Melissa Barker : Hello Deb, hope you are fully recovered!
19:03:29 From Betty-Lu Burton : My son once said he wanted a garage full of antique cars, you know those older than 1960. I and the other lady in the car at the time were both born before 1960.
19:05:41 From Deb Andrew to All panelists : Old Alabama Family Photos
19:06:03 From Marian Koalski : Vegas?
19:06:29 From Betty-Lu Burton : I think any car older than 20 years is considered an antique
19:09:05 From Marian Koalski : I put possibles into my database with a first name of “maybe”
19:09:32 From Marian Koalski : That way I can see them as I research
19:09:55 From Marian Koalski : And I attach whatever sources I have to them
19:10:23 From Betty-Lu Burton : I put in the various larger databases I have received as well as the various family history books I have received as one of my sources. I then note if I had proved it wrong.
19:11:23 From Betty-Lu Burton : Some of these records are what others have used to start their research
19:14:51 From Marian Koalski : I don’t generally put “possibles” into online trees. That’s work, and I don’t invest that effort until I’ve figured things out more definitely.
19:15:34 From Betty-Lu Burton : Find them in all the censuses that they should be in, both Federal and State
19:17:51 From Marian Koalski : I agree, Russ.
19:21:14 From Marian Koalski : Yes, and sometimes I find an index entry for a name that begins with M on the page for C-names. Someone entered it but didn’t notice that he was working on the wrong page.
19:24:47 From Marian Koalski : You’re right, Russ, but this is in my Reunion database, which looks for a name anywhere in a name.
19:25:28 From Marian Koalski : Mine will read something like “maybe Richard Higbee”
19:26:09 From Marian Koalski : I do the ___ for names that I don’t know
19:28:49 From Marian Koalski : I don’t have a mike.
19:29:13 From Marian Koalski : Maybe my difference from Russ is that I don’t do automated searches.
19:34:02 From Marian Koalski : me

19:41:09 From Cousin Russ : Family Tree Maker
19:41:12 From Cousin Russ : .
19:41:19 From Cousin Russ : Legacy Family Tree

19:41:25 From Cousin Russ : RootsMagic

19:42:55 From Cousin Russ : Ancestry App

19:43:47 From Cousin Russ : FAMILY HISTORIAN 6
19:43:48 From Cousin Russ : .
19:46:49 From Sue Holmes Burns to All panelists : I use One Drive for backups as well as an 8T external hard drive.
19:50:26 From Launa Droescher : I use to rotate Tape, then Zip backups. Some day I’m going to delete old backups
19:53:33 From Launa Droescher : that was tape in 1990s and a few years later zip
19:54:54 From Betty-Lu Burton : I know this is not correct, but it helps me to think of the cloud as the internet
19:56:42 From Betty-Lu Burton : because I have to use the internet to get to the cloud
19:56:44 From Sue Holmes Burns to All panelists : When I backup my family file I direct the backup to One Drive, therefore not a copy. A copy of that backup then gets put onto my external hard drive.

20:09:41 From Sweet Sadie to All panelists : This is Robert Kehrer the Product Manager for “Search” at FamilySearch. The % of unindexed digital images is now 77%. You *must* use the catalog to access these records that cannot be found by search, browse or hints.

20:09:58 From Sue Holmes Burns to All panelists : I hate to admit this but I didn’t know where my brother was buried. Yesterday I got a hint from MyHeritage showing me he’s buried at Arlington National Cemetery. Quite a find and surprise.

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WACKY Wednesday – Favorite Google Things (including Chrome Extensions like Translate)


Mr. Myrt whisked me away for a dinner date with the Little Red-Headed Girl and her mom, so my very distant cousin, Sweet Sadie hosted this webinar. Topics included:

  • Seeing what Google Chrome Browser Extensions we have installed and turned on or off.
    • Click 3 dots on right side of the Chrome address bar.
    • Select “more tools”
    • Select “Extensions” to see what’s installed.
    • See also the Chrome Web Store

Our favorite Google Chrome Browser Extensions include:

We also discussed free Google Drive with free cloud-based programs:

  • Google Docs (wordprocessing)
  • Google Sheets (spreadsheet like MSExcel)
  • Google Slides ( like MSPowerPoint)
  • And Sweet Sadie demoed Google Forms

Google Cloud Resources


19:11:11 From Dave Robison: I used that to translate an email I got from Cyrillic to English. He was a DNA match! His English was…not that good! But the translation was ideal.

19:22:35 From Cousin Russ : Google Translate (Where you can copy from say email and paste without using the Google Chrome Extension.)

Google Translate

19:22:56 From Cousin Russ : CHROME WEB STORE

Google Translate sample

19:26:24 From Carol Petranek : There are translate options for other web browsers.

19:26:46 From Dave Robison : I just found APOGEE the other day but haven’t’ used it yet. Anybody familiar with it?
19:27:36 From Nadine Guilbault to All panelists : No, I have been trying Zoetero. Seems ok.

19:30:23 From True Lewis : I was being a Good Girl — I have Cite This for Me extension. 2.6.8 and I don’t think I have used it yet. lol.

Cite This For Me

19:33:34 From Betty-Lu Burton : I love Print Friendly 
19:36:41 From Dave Robison : It also will create a PDF
19:40:17 From Deb Andrew : What were you using for print friendly?
19:41:14 From Cousin Russ : Also available at

Print Friendly Chrome Extension

19:41:23 From Carol Petranek : I use the Send from Gmail extension where I can click on the Gmail envelope and the webpage I am on can be sent instantly without having to open Gmail itself.

19:42:48 From Dave Robison : bitly Google Chrome Extension.

Bitly Chrome Extension

20:08:27 From Carol Petranek : Google URL shortener is being discontinued

20:09:25 From Janine Edmée Hakim : Good evening all…great discussion…may I make a request….a DearMYRTLE webinar about Google maps (of course as they apply to genealogy research) .

DearMYRTLE recommends the Google Map videos by Lisa Louise Cooke!


Friday, 20 Apr 2018 – 10pm Eastern US – PLUSWORD. Cousin Russ and DearMYRTLE will be guest participants. Sir Michael Daniels is our illustrious host. No need to register – just click the link to watch and comment via YouTube.


21 Apr 2018 Genealogy Game Night We’re playing “Who’s In My Line?” designed to spotlight our ancestors. He or she doesn’t have to be famous. Try to get the panel to guess his/her occupation, location, place in history or ??? and YES, Michael Daniels will be our host for this very special event. 9pm Eastern US (New York), 8pm Central US (Chicago), 7pm Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 6pm Pacific US (Los Angeles)

This DearMYRTLE Event is presented at no cost. If you find the information useful, consider the Pay What You Want business model Ol’ Myrt employs:

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ARCHIVED: Genealogy Game Night – 10 March 2018

We’re playing Cousin Russ’ “Who’s In My Line?” where a panelist posts a challenge about an ancestor, and the panelists try to guess with no more than 20 incorrect answers. We trust the attendees to come up with some suggestions.

Originally we thought Game Night would make it less stressful for people to try coming up on the panel, testing out their headset earphones and mic. What’s emerged is a fun way to think outside the ‘fill in the blank’ boxes our genealogy software encourages.


00:29:26 Russ Worthington: Elizabeth Shown Mills’ QuickSheet: Citing Ancestry Databases & Images Evidence Style 2nd Edition
00:29:32 Linda Stufflebean: I bought that book years ago and use it all the time. I love it.
00:30:49 Shelley Murphy: I too brought the book a few years ago and use it!
00:35:41 Lisa Gorrell: Hi Linda. Was glad to meet you in person.
00:35:59 Shelley Murphy: What was his occupation?
00:37:02 Dawn Carlile: Did he live in an urban area?
00:38:25 Linda Stufflebean: Hi Lisa, It was fun to meet you, too.
00:38:31 Shelley Murphy: Did he sell anything?
00:39:08 Shelley Murphy: Was he born in London?
00:39:32 Dawn Carlile: Leicestershire?
00:39:51 Shelley Murphy: Manchester?
00:39:53 Dawn Carlile: Dorset?
00:40:12 Dawn Carlile: Nofolk?
00:40:14 Dawn Carlile: Rutland?
00:40:18 Dawn Carlile: I am there!
00:40:26 Dawn Carlile: Hamshire?
00:40:36 Dawn Carlile: Wiltshire?
00:40:56 Shelley Murphy: what’s her blog
00:41:32 Shelley Murphy: Where did the Beatles do the walk at?
00:41:35 Dawn Carlile: Wilton?
00:41:41 Dawn Carlile: Trowbridge?
00:42:13 Dawn Carlile: Salisbury Plain?
00:43:20 Dawn Carlile: Marlborough?
00:44:38 Dawn Carlile: Amesbury?
00:45:11 Shelley Murphy: Born in Trowbridge
00:46:15 Shelley Murphy: Salisbury (steak), lol
00:46:24 Linda Stufflebean: Beatles walked on Abbey Road in London.
00:46:48 Lisa Gorrell: I would try wikipedia.
00:46:58 Shelley Murphy: Gloucestershire
00:47:16 Lisa Gorrell: I’ve been to Salisbury
00:47:28 Shelley Murphy: we need a Letter of the town?
00:47:54 Dawn Carlile: Sopworh
00:48:41 Danine Cozzens: Wooton Bassett, perchance?
00:48:56 Hilary Gadsby:
00:49:34 Shelley Murphy: Compton!
00:52:41 Shelley Murphy: oh my goodness
00:57:54 Marceline Beem: I didn’t get past Week 1, and that didn’t make it to my blog!
01:00:42 Shelley Murphy: where does anna live?
01:01:12 Linda Stufflebean: Ethan Allen
01:02:01 Shelley Murphy: Montreal?
01:02:14 Yvonne Demoskoff: Champlain?
01:02:50 Shelley Murphy: Niagara falls.
01:03:12 Shelley Murphy: I am going to Rensselaer next week!
01:04:06 Shelley Murphy: Champlain-Rouses
01:04:16 Yvonne Demoskoff: Syracuse?
01:04:16 Dawn Carlile: Rocheste?
01:05:16 Shelley Murphy: So Herkimer is too far in?
01:05:52 Deb Andrew: Auburn
01:06:02 Dawn Carlile: Sacketts HArbor?
01:06:04 Yvonne Demoskoff: Oswego
01:07:06 Shelley Murphy: baseball
01:07:14 Marceline Beem: Cypress Gardens
01:07:21 Marceline Beem: For the Florida answer
01:07:22 Shelley Murphy: lakers
01:07:36 Yvonne Demoskoff: fishing?
01:08:06 Shelley Murphy: Pottersville
01:08:33 Dawn Carlile: Minetto?
01:08:41 Shelley Murphy: finding nemo\
01:08:53 Dawn Carlile: Seneca Hill?
01:09:26 Shelley Murphy: Phanton
01:09:39 Marceline Beem: Last of the Mohicans?
01:10:03 Shelley Murphy: wow, this was good
01:11:28 HilaryGadsby: I saw Cooperstown on the map I should have had a guess
01:11:49 Marceline Beem: I have my headset ready
01:15:05 HilaryGadsby: Cooper is a fairly common name in England as it is occupational. My husband has Cooper in his direct line.
01:16:16 Shelley Murphy: Military?
01:16:35 Dawn Carlile: Was he fishing in Alaska?
01:16:38 Shelley Murphy: campaign trail?
01:16:43 Deb Andrew: School
01:20:01 Shelley Murphy: Navy
01:22:05 Shelley Murphy: HIs research is awesome from Louisiana to France.

Got Proof
01:22:13 Russ Worthington: Got Proof!: My Genealogical Journey Through the Use of Documentation

01:22:36 Russ Worthington: Elizabeth Shown Mills’ QuickSheet: Your Stripped-Bare Guide to Citing Sources

American Passenger Arrival Records
01:22:57 Russ Worthington: Michael Tepper’s American Passenger Arrival Records; A Guide to the Records of Immigrants Arriving at American Ports by Sail and Steam

01:23:27 Russ Worthington: Blaine Bettinger’s The Family Tree Guide to DNA Testing and Genetic Genealogy
01:25:16 Shelley Murphy: oh I am sorry to hear about those that are not feeling well.
01:25:40 Lisa Gorrell: I think we all did a little too much at RootsTech.

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Videos: QuickLessons Study Group

New followers may benefit from our ESM’s Quick Lesson Study Group wherein we discussed the works of Elizabeth Shown Mills. Our syllabus material included the QuickLessons located at  Study group panel participants prepared in advance for each session, submitting homework describing how the principles discussed in that week’s specific QuickLesson have and or will have an impact in our own genealogical research. Embedded below is the YouTube version (without comments and notes). It is in “playlist format” meaning when one video has played, then next on the list will begin automatically. If you wish to view the video and all comments/links posted during the live hangout, that listing appears below the playlist video.

ESM QuickLesson 1: Analysis & Citation Study Group Session (video & comments)

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It would seem to Ol’ Myrt here that studying the works of our genealogical standard bearers is the best way to improve one’s research methodology.

Happy family tree climbing!
Myrt     🙂
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Videos: Mastering Genealogical Proof

MGPStudyGroupPromo ImageOver the years DearMYRTLE here has hosted several groups studying Thomas W. Jones, Mastering Genealogical Proof (Arlington, Virginia: National Genealogical Society, 2013). The book is available from the publisher at , also available in Kindle format through Below find the embedded video of MGP Study Group 3 in playlist format,  from DearMYRTLE’s YouTube Channel. Below the viewer is the list of chapters with links to the previous two study group series.

See MGP1 – Orientation video here
Before blogging about your participation in this study group, please see MGP1 Study Group – Copyright Guidelines featuring the best advice from +Judy G. Russell , the Legal Genealogist.
See UK oriented MGP2 Study Group Guidelines

Chapter 1 – Genealogy’s Standard of Proof
See MGP1 – Chapter 1 video here.
See UK oriented MGP2 – Chapter 1 video here.

Chapter 2 – Concepts Fundamental to the GPS
See MGP1 – Chapter 2 video here.
See UK oriented MGP2 – Chapter 2 video here.
See also Elizabeth Shown Mills’ QuickLesson 17: The Evidence Analysis Process Model

Chapter 3 – GPS Element 1: Thorough Research
See MGP1 – Chapter 3 video here.
See MGP1 – Chapter 3 Revisited video here.
See UK oriented MGP2 – Chapter 3 video here.

Chapter 4 GPS Element 2: Source Citations
See MGP1 – Chapter 4 video here.
See UK oriented MGP2 – Chapter 4 here.

Chapter 5 GPS Element 3: Analysis and Correlation
See MGP1 – Chapter 5 here.
See MPG1 – Chapter 5 Homework Help here.
See UK oriented MGP2 – Chapter 5 here.
See UK oriented MGP2 – Chapter 5 continued here.

Chapter 6 GPS Element 4: Resolving Conflicts and Assembling Evidence
See MGP1 – Chapter 6 here.
See UK oriented MGP2 –  Chapter 6 here.

Chapter 7 GPS Element 5: The Written Conclusion
See MGP1 – Chapter 7 – The Written Conclusion here.
See UK oriented MGP2 – Chapter 7 here.

Chapter 8 – Using the GPS
Chapter 9 – Conclusion
See MGP1 – Chapter 8 & 9 inclusive here.
See UK oriented MGP2 – The Final Chapters and graduation

Dr. Jones’ book also includes the following:
Appendix A – Pritchett Article
Appendix B – McLain Article
Reading and Source List
Answers to exercises (Yup! The answers are at the end of the book.)

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Those considering certification or accreditation should consider this book a “must read and study thoroughly.”

Happy family tree climbing!
Myrt     🙂
Your friend in genealogy.

For Further Reading

DearMYRTLE’s MGP Study Group 1 (US focused) videos:

DearMYRTLE’s MGP Study Group 2 (UK focused) videos:

DearMYRTLE’s – MGP1 Study Group Copyright Guidelines (important)