Cheryl and Myrt mention AncestryDNA pages return 404 error messages. We discuss chromosome browser alternatives. Also making the list is a discussion at 1:31:25 where Randy Seaver and his correspondent have figured that Ancestry has gone from adding over 300 new databases added a few years ago to under 100 most recently – owing to Ancestry’s change in emphasis from record digitization/indexing to DNA tech support.
09:41:59 From Hilary Gadsby to All panelists : Have a few things to mention today.
10:00:17 From Graham Walter : Hello everyone from London
10:00:57 From Cousin Russ : ONE POT MEALS FOR BUSY GENEALOGISTS (Facebook Group) https://facebook.com/groups/293310917888676
10:01:37 From Janine Edmée Hakim : Good morning all….BTWay the Pampered Chef’s “page is GREAT
10:01:59 From Robbin Smith : Hello from Miami
10:02:09 From John Laws : Gotta say Hi from Bonnie Scotland
10:02:48 From Nancy Myers : Hi everyone – from rainy Germany
10:03:19 From Gary Gauthier : Hello from Oh so cold Calgary, Alberta, Canada!
10:04:25 From Betty-Lu Burton : Hello from drowning Arkansas. I had some problems with Zoom earlier so I may be registered twice
10:05:25 From Cheri Hudson Passey : I have been having trouble with Ancestry DNA the last couple of weeks. Getting error messages or things are not coming up correctly. No tree links, no circles etc.
10:06:34 From Doris Haskell : When I get that screen on AncestryDNA, sometimes it helps to click on the Refresh button.
10:06:39 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : Good Morning, working off generator, no power. Trees, poles and lines down for a couple of days now. Snow and ice.
10:08:00 From Betty-Lu Burton : Sheryl glad you have a generator. I hope you get your normal power back quickly
10:08:29 From Cousin Russ : GEDMATCH https://www.gedmatch.com
10:08:44 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : Thank you Betty, me too! Goods neighbors though, we all chip in and help each other.
10:08:55 From Cousin Russ : DNA Painter https://dnapainter.com/
10:09:06 From Graham Walter : and Jonny Perl (DNA Painter) will be at RootsTech SLC 2019
10:09:25 From Jim Everhart to All panelists : Where can I enter a recipe?
10:09:25 From Randy Seaver : I’ve found that the AutoCluster feature on Genetic Affairshttps://geneticaffairs.com/ is helpful – it groups your AncestryDNA matches by Shared Matches. If you know your common ancestor for one person in the cluster, the others in the cluster have a common ancestor with you and your known cousin further back in time.
10:09:29 From DearMYRTLE . : Cannot wait to see Jonny Perl!
10:10:06 From Randy Seaver : You have to know common ancestors with your matches to really fill in DNA Painter.
10:10:46 From Valerie Lisk : DNA Painter is great for ancestry matches because you don’t get a chromosome browser. I was able to determine that a match who was listed as a 2nd cousin on ancestry is actually doubly related from two line that were not supposed to have crossed
10:11:28 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : Ancestry DNA https://www.ancestrydna.com/kits/
10:11:52 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : Living DNA https://livingdna.com
10:12:04 From Marcia Philbrick to All panelists : Cousin Russ — Do you drill down to county when looking at the DNA maps — or just to region?
10:12:34 From Valerie Lisk : Randy, do you need to have a minimum number of matches to get a cluster? I have 4 known cousins on ancestry and we don ‘t form a cluster.
10:13:06 From Robbin Smith : on MyHeritage I found my cousins related to my Swiss Great Grandfather confirming my hypothesis about where he lived.
10:13:30 From Betty-Lu Burton : I have both recent (mid 1800’s) and colonial ancestors.
10:13:47 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : 23& Me DNA https://www.23andme.com
10:14:10 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : FTDNA https://www.familytreedna.com
10:14:26 From Randy Seaver : Valerie, are your four cousins in the same grandparent line? I have a cluster with 37 members, down to clusters with 2 persons in them.
10:14:56 From Randy Seaver : I have 52 clusters with AncestryDNA with limits of 25 to 900 cM.
10:15:07 From Betty-Lu Burton : I uploaded my Ancestry DNA to MyHeritage. Would there be any advantage to take a MyHeritage DNA also? [Note: No.] I have Northern Italian that may have come back as Jewish DNA
10:16:05 From Randy Seaver : Betty-Lu, I don’t think so. MyHeritage finds matches with your uploaded raw data. I haven’t taken a MH DNA test but have uploaded 3 sets of raw data. Lots of matches.
10:16:05 From Valerie Lisk : Randy yes we are from the same grandparents. We share 3 siblings.
10:17:00 From Randy Seaver : The benefit of MyHeritageDNA is the chromosome browser and triangulation tools – I was permitted to put my cousin’s DNA on MH and now know which chromosomes are our Richmond/Rich line.
10:19:33 From Randy Seaver : Valerie, I’ve had a similar experience with close relations, but I don’t have any sibling matches. They seem to recommend an upper limit of 300 cM.
10:20:47 From Randy Seaver : I really need to do the SAR and Mayflower descendants. Just haven’t done it.
10:20:53 From Doris Haskell : I was told I would have my DAR membership number on Feb. 5th. Not yet.
10:21:05 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : SAR – Sons of the American Revolution Eligibility https://www.sar.org/apply-for-membership
10:21:24 From Valerie Lisk : Thanks Randy.
10:22:04 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : Daughters of the American Revolution https://www.dar.org
10:22:06 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : Yes. Same here. My mother, her sister and their mother were all members. Piece of cake? Pretty crummy.
10:22:37 From Rachel Evans : My son isn’t interested in genealogy but loves to hear stories about the ancestors that served. I’m hoping that’s a way of hooking him in.
10:23:06 From Doris Haskell : Rachel, the stories are vital.
10:24:55 From Michelle Minner : My Revolutionary Ancestor was moved to Mt. Vernon by Washington himself, in order to build arms and ammunition. Nobody in my immediate family knew about it. Those SAR and DAR approvals have lots of information that help with your search, even if you aren’t applying for membership.
10:25:30 From Betty-Lu Burton : Ok then Quakers can then be on the list of eligible people? One of my lines were Quakers and I had figured since they opposed war that I would not be able to go through any of them for DAR
10:25:50 From Daniel Horowitz to All panelists : Hi guys, Daniel Horowitz logging in 😉
10:26:23 From DearMYRTLE . : Hiya Daniel. We just spotlighted MyHeritage DNA.
10:26:42 From Graham Walter to All panelists : Hi Daniel
10:27:18 From Doris Haskell : Betty-Lu, Quakers might qualify if they were instrumental in the formation of the new government.. They didn’t have to serve in battle.
10:29:42 From Betty-Lu Burton : Thank you Doris
10:30:19 From Marian Koalski : I think that even paying local taxes is considered a qualifying act of patriotism by the DAR.
10:30:41 From Rachel Evans : One of my ancestors nursed her brother for 40 days before he died from wounds along with 2 sisters. Their father asked for reimbursement for them and supplies used in his care. I’m planning on joining on another line but want to add her as a supplemental
10:31:45 From Marian Koalski : Good idea, Rachel! We need to have more women patriots documented and on the “rolls” of the DAR.
10:33:05 From Randy Seaver : Dave, how do you document the names, events, dates, places, relationships, etc.?
10:37:51 From Daniel Horowitz : http://live2019.myheritage.com
10:38:26 From Betty-Lu Burton : My Quaker ancestor is in the DAR database
10:41:09 From Marian Koalski : Excellent, Betty! Do you see any known relatives among the descendants?
10:41:44 From Cousin Russ : MyHeritage LIVE 2019, September 6-8, 2019 in Amsterdam, Netherlands! https://blog.myheritage.com/2019/02/announcing-myheritage-live-2019
10:42:37 From Cousin Russ : http://live2019.myheritage.com
10:43:24 From Betty-Lu Burton : I just put the known last name and the father of the man, Delaplain Ridgeway, I have been working on came up and someone has gone apparently has gone through Delaplain because his name comes up as an eligible child
10:45:57 From Graham Walter : You’ve got to get there Myrt!!
10:46:01 From Michelle Minner : I have a folding wheelchair, and used it a LOT when I traveled (even on cruise ships, and airplanes, etc.) they are GREAT for mobility.
10:47:31 From Graham Walter : Bye Daniel
10:47:32 From Betty-Lu Burton : It is neat to hear able genealogy activities in Europe
10:51:56 From Hilary Gadsby : I have had to sort out a few tangles on Family Search someone disconnected my grandmother from her family
10:53:07 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : Yes, Randy!
10:53:30 From Hilary Gadsby : I am cross matching with WikiTree so that I can keep things straight.
10:55:53 From Rachel Evans : I have had the same issues with FamilySearch. I ended up adding a discussion item to the person’s profile with my argument.
10:56:07 From Marcia Philbrick to All panelists : I like the ability to ‘collaborate’ or ‘discuss’ on the Family Search tree.
10:56:23 From Randy Seaver : I still think FamilySearch Family Tree is a fantastic resource – it should last a long time, has all of the features needed, and has more profiles than any other collaborative tree.
10:58:52 From Valerie Lisk : I have met many cousins through familysearch.
10:58:54 From Marian Koalski : I sometimes think that most? People don’t notice the Discussions section on FamilySearch. Would the Life Sketch be a better place to explain that Uncle Jack is not dead?
10:59:51 From Randy Seaver : Some contributors to FSFT have added a message at the top of the Life Sketch to call attention to conflict issues.
10:59:54 From Betty-Lu Burton : My Ridgeway DAR is through my great grandmother’s sister
10:59:54 From Dave Robison to All panelists : Thanks for bringing in the SAR/DAR discussion… See you next week!
11:00:15 From Jim Everhart to All panelists : another question
11:01:52 From Kathleen Daetsch : Although they can’t change your tree on Ancestry I get hints that are coming from some of my dna matches adding people to there trees without any sources and no proof
11:03:02 From Marcia Philbrick to All panelists : An advantage of FS tree is the ability to attach the images from the county records in their collection.
11:05:19 From Valerie Lisk : Is there an advantage to having a tree on both familysearch and WikiTree? What is the advantage of WikiTree?
11:05:55 From Linda Jordan to All panelists : Will the link only work if you are already on Wikitree? By on — I mean a member.
11:07:33 From Betty-Lu Burton : I consider WikiTree more stable than familysearch because those working on WikiTree tend to use sources more.
11:08:05 From Valerie Lisk : Thanks Betty-Lu.
11:08:30 From Brenda J. Williams to All panelists : So I take it that none of the members in the screen shot are living, correct, for privacy issues? [NOTE: William Gist Froman is one of DearMYRTLE’s Unions Civil War soldiers.]
11:08:37 From JoAnn Lawrencw : Thanks for the tip about DAR. I just found by 5th great-grandfather on the list. Joseph Gaunt married to Elizabeth Borton. I’ve been looking for this info. Thanks again
11:09:18 From Randy Seaver : advantage of WikiTree is that there are different researchers than on FamilySearch. You never know where you will find a breakthrough.
11:09:46 From Randy Seaver : disadvantage is WikiTree has “only” 20-some million profiles, and FS Family Tree has over 900 million.
11:09:55 From Randy Seaver : both are FREE!
11:10:16 From Sharon Morrissey : On Wikitree .. do you have to input the information by hand or cn you upload?
11:10:19 From Valerie Lisk : Thanks Hilary and Randy!
11:11:03 From Randy Seaver : on WikiTree you can upload a limited GEDCOM file, but then have to discern if your entries match an existing profile. You do this before the GEDCOM profiles are uploaded.
11:11:21 From Valerie Lisk : How do you copy your familysearch tree to WikiTree?
11:11:25 From Robbin Smith : can you add family via gedcom to wikitree?
11:12:20 From Randy Seaver : you cannot copy your FSFT profiles directly. You could download them to a family tree program like RootsMagic, create a GEDCOM, and upload it to WikiTree.
11:12:44 From Randy Seaver : WikiTree has a Help section that tells you the GEDCOM upload process.
11:13:03 From Valerie Lisk : Thanks Randy!
11:13:42 From Robbin Smith : TY i found the upload
11:20:03 From Graham Walter : WikiTree has a comment in their forum answering the question if integration with Rootsmagic – (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10218452044681491&set=gm.10161459715750374&type=3&theater&ifg=1)
11:20:50 From Kathleen Daetsch : I have seen a whole line of my gg grandmother’s line that has no sources at all on WikiTree
11:22:03 From Cousin Russ : Graham Walters’s most excellent #RootsTech suggestion https://www.facebook.com/groups/DearMYRTLE/permalink/10161459715750374/
11:22:06 From Michelle Minner : I use Avery Business cards, and print them myself! LOL…I have always liked doing them myself.
11:23:47 From Cousin Russ : For inexpensive, high quality business cards both Myrt and Graham usehttps://www.vistaprint.com
11:23:55 From Cousin Russ : To create a word cloud as Graham and DearMYRTLE shared during this webinar, try https://wordart.com/create
11:24:19 From Kathleen Daetsch : I like what Myrt said before that the guy she contacted said “I know your one of those people who use source” It seems like the new breed of researches have no use for them.
11:28:48 From Doris Haskell : I can see how that might affect my tree too. I have three people named Russell Simonson Davison. And three people named William Gleason Buckley.
11:29:35 From Gary Gauthier : Graham: A side-note for you. If people are asking about the Mac version of MetaProxy, please tell them I’m doing my best to implement similar features as Tony Proctor has done in the Windows version. I will let people know as soon as I’ve something I can send out.
11:30:21 From Graham Walter : Gary: will do
11:30:55 From Doris Haskell : Michelle Simmons Lewis is a valuable resource for help with Legacy Family Tree see: Legacy 9 Family Tree Software – Users Group (unofficial) https://www.facebook.com/groups/328361930997109/
11:31:42 From Cousin Russ : Randy Seaver’s “A Reader’s Take on Ancestry.com Problems – Part III – Reduced Number of New Record Collections” https://www.geneamusings.com/2019/02/a-readers-take-on-ancestrycom-problems.html
11:35:16 From Robbin Smith : BTW I found a pair of indices for 1850 for towns of Castleton and Northfield were incorrect as of last week
11:37:57 From Cousin Russ : ONE POT MEALS FOR BUSY GENEALOGISTS (Facebook Group) https://facebook.com/groups/293310917888676.
11:39:13 From Cheri Hudson Passey to All panelists : Congratulations Laurie!!
11:40:15 From June Butka : I will participate with a recipe with my Sweet and sour meatballs. [NOTE: Thank-you, June!]
11:40:44 From Brenda J. Williams to All panelists : Randy, what was the total amount of DNA customers with the 10 percent interested in doing genealogy?
11:41:17 From Graham Walter : Have a great day everyone
11:41:21 From Rachel Evans : Have a great day everyone!
11:41:39 From Brenda J. Williams to All panelists : Randy, what was the total amount of DNA customers with the 10 percent interested in doing genealogy?
11:42:05 From susan bleimehl : Really nice event today. Thanks.
11:42:14 From Randy Seaver : Brenda, 15 million DNA testers probably 1.5 million are genealogists with a tree over 100 profiles. Just an estimate.
11:42:24 From Brenda J. Williams to All panelists : A genealogy society I belong to is trying to figure out how to connect to those very people.
11:42:39 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : Yippee! Electrical company is finally here to install a new pole and get up back up and running.
11:42:42 From Pam Helm : Thank you for adding me
11:43:24 From Gary Gauthier to All panelists : Thanks, Myrtle. Do you want new recipes contributions?
11:43:39 From Doris Haskell : I’m not sure if I’m in this group already.
11:43:47 From Randy Seaver : Brenda, you can search on Ancestry Member Connect for subscribers in a community. Target them with an Ancestry message asking them to email back to you.
11:44:23 From Brenda J. Williams to All panelists : Thanks Randy!
11:44:33 From Gary Gauthier to All panelists : Got it. I cook from scratch, since I’m allergic to soy and MSG
11:44:33 From Jim Everhart to All panelists : I clicked join but no reply
11:44:38 From Rachel Evans : I will have to join and go through my recipes.
11:44:40 From Randy Seaver : If your society is brave enough, offer your society to help make a family tree with them.
11:44:54 From Valerie Lisk : You can buy riced cauliflower in the freezer section.
11:47:42 From Randy Seaver : Brenda, Ancestry’s “Search > Member Directory” doesn’t let me find members in a place any more. Only ancestral names in a place. Sorry for the bad lead.
11:49:29 From Randy Seaver : -35 C is about the same as -35 F
11:49:44 From Randy Seaver : the crossover is at -40 C = -40 F
11:49:56 From Brenda J. Williams to All panelists : I think it will be a challenge to connect people who have taken the DNA test to actually doing genealogical research. But I think that most societies will need to do this – to help get younger members as our members age.
11:51:50 From Randy Seaver : A message on Facebook on a community page might put out the word about DNA tests, family trees and genealogy societies.
11:52:46 From Brenda J. Williams to All panelists : I like that suggestion> Something all the lines of “Do something more with your DNA results”
11:53:13 From Randy Seaver : exactly! Use an example of connecting to a DNA match.
11:54:05 From Kathleen Daetsch : Goodbye
Biggest breakthroughs today? Persistent problems with AMTs and everyone teaches Ol’ Myrt here a thing or two about switching from .pdf to .png.
Problems with the newly indexed Ancestry Member Trees. This is particularly vexing. MyHeritage manages to index trees daily. Why does it take months for Ancestry to accomplish this? And why does Ancestry only point to trees that have an Ancestry.com image attached? This problem has gone on for over two years. We’re not evening mentioning the problems with links to indexed images returning a 404 error at least 50% of the time, regardless of end user operating system or web browser.
DAR & SAR – honoring Revolutionary War ancestors.
Newspapers.com – overcoming the “save as a .pdf” by choosing “print” then changing from your printer to your photo editing software of choice.
1939 Register (England & Wales) and why lines are redacted.
RootsTech 2019 (SLC), RootsTech 2019 (London) and #notatRootsTech
09:54:25 From Dave Robison to All panelists : Genealogy Bargains https://genealogybargains.com/
09:54:40 From Pat Kuhn : https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/77830208/person/46374370891/facts
10:00:40 From Hilary Gadsby : I have also been watching the videos today as I want to use the source writer in Legacy 9
10:01:04 From Deb Andrew : Good morning.
10:02:02 From Lisa Gorrell : Good morning from smoky No. California. Working hard fighting a cold.
10:02:20 From grahamwalter : Hello everyone from London(ish)
10:02:44 From grahamwalter : cool
10:03:24 From Barbara Gressel : Good morning from Springfield, MO
10:03:58 From Pamela Wells to All panelists : Good morning from St Pete, FL
10:04:24 From Betty-Lu Burton : Hello from Arkansas
10:04:52 From Robbin Smith : Hello from Miami
10:08:26 From Deb Andrew to All panelists : Old Alabama Family Photos Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/136034463747952/
10:09:57 From Susan Ennis : Glad to be here with everyone!
10:17:20 From Marian Koalski : A penmanship award for SPEED! And that’s a pretty fabulous speed — faster than any typist I’ve heard of.
10:17:57 From Yvonne Demoskoff : That’s such a great idea for a grandparents book, Myrt!
10:18:08 From Cousin Russ : Blog post about an article from Newspaper.com USCGC Halfmoon (WHEC-378) and the Lobster Wars https://worthy2be.wordpress.com/2018/11/17/uscgc-halfmoon-whec-378-and-the-lobster-wars/
10:18:50 From Randy Seaver : That’s 4 words a second. How in the world? A Shorthand system? Readable?
10:20:17 From Randy Seaver : I’m lucky to write two letters a second, or type 4 letters a second.
10:20:21 From Marian Koalski : Some of my high school classmates took a Speed Writing class, which was a mixture of shorthand and abbreviations, I understand.
10:22:38 From Randy Seaver : Newspaper research is often the key to a breakthrough for family members. It’s why I do my weekly “Seavers in the News” posts on Thursdays.
10:23:16 From Mary Lou Gravatt : I found an article that my father-in-law found a ring when he was 12 years old and returned to the owners and received an award.
10:23:28 From Bill West : Good afternoon from overcast Massachusetts
10:23:38 From Lisa Gorrell : I love searching in newspapers. I wrote a blog post this past weekend about my great uncle, who I couldn’t find until I used his nickname “Toofer.” https://mytrailsintothepast.blogspot.com/2018/11/52-ancestors-in-52-weeks-week-46-random.html
10:23:41 From Deb Andrew : If you know the name of the newspapers for the area, you can choose those newspapers to search first.
10:24:45 From Deb Andrew : Yes
10:24:59 From Robbin Smith : many times i have seen the xx years ago
10:25:29 From Marian Koalski : Yes! A 1966 “looking backward” item about a great-uncle’s funeral in 1936 in another state was VERY helpful.
10:27:56 From Mary Lou Gravatt : Another article was about an accident that my grandfather had with his farm wagon and a bus in 1919. He was seriously injured my mom and aunt mentioned the accident they were not born yet. His injuries included broken leg and a fractured skull. I doubt that Mom and her sister knew the extent of his injuries.
10:29:22 From Lisa Gorrell : The problem with this, if the article is long, the print is really small.
10:29:46 From Deb Andrew : 19th November my anniversary. [HAPPY ANNIVERSARY DEB!]
10:29:57 From Deb Andrew : You can save it as a jpg.
10:30:27 From Randy Seaver : I use the Windows Snipping Tool to turn the PDF into a JPG so I can put it in a blog post.
10:31:17 From Randy Seaver : Lisa, sometimes I make 2 or 3 separate images so that the print is readable.
10:32:45 From Betty-Lu Burton : Hi Graham. I can see you
10:33:17 From Deb Andrew : If someone clicks on the source citation, it will take them to the article.
10:33:35 From Susan Ennis : I found out about my 2x great grandfather’s two patents (circa 1878) from newspaper articles!
10:33:40 From Graham Walter : Thanks Betty
10:34:47 From Marcia Philbrick : Shirley Player – fact question — Was this a miscellaneous fact in Roots Magic? [ No, Marcia, this was merely a search for the surname “Player” at Newspapers.com.]
10:35:10 From Betty-Lu Burton : We need to remember that in newspapers our ancestors names can be found many ways: nicknames, initials, child of, (or any relative of).
10:35:45 From Marian Koalski : And misspelled names, speaking from personal experience.
10:36:11 From Mary Lou Gravatt : I save as JPG to Ancestry then copy that as JPG to my computer. Also save as PDF to the computer.
10:37:52 From Betsey Cotter : Hit destination then select pdf
10:38:12 From Marcia Philbrick : If you use print/save and do a selection, it then gives you a choice of jpeg or pdf
10:38:59 From Marcia Philbrick : I have the option under Chrome
10:39:21 From Susan Ennis : Using Print/Save gives the options to SAVE as jpeg or pdf as contrasted to using the Clip feature. Works for me in these browsers: Firefox, Safari, and Chrome in my experience.
10:40:59 From Randy Seaver : Marcia’s tip is correct – Print/Save gets you to a “Save as JPG”
10:41:12 From Lisa Gorrell : I use Chrome. When I use Print/Save, I choose whole page, then I have two choices save as JPG and save as PDF. I save as PDF for whole page and then save as JPG for clipping.
10:41:25 From Marcia Philbrick : I’m using Chrome
10:41:54 From Marcia Philbrick : Is there a way to save Ancestry media as JPEG without having to save to the person first? [Yes, merely click Share>Print.]
10:44:12 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : welcome back Graham.
10:44:55 From Kathleen Daetsch : Since my family is from New York I use Fulton Press. I have found a great deal of information the Obituaries are a valuable resource in connecting family members.
My opinion is that Ancestry.com should index every person in every tree whether they have “Ancestry Sources” or not, so that their customers can find information about their ancestors that other researchers have found. Yes, I understand it’s a big computer challenge – but they’re a big company with many servers, and charge customers money to search all of their databases. This is more BAD NEWS!
10:47:03 From Marcia Philbrick : My ‘test’ search used to produce 24 trees. Now, with the same search, I’m only getting about 3 trees. Those three trees change depending on how I structure the search.
10:47:18 From Marian Koalski : This failure in searching Ancestry Member Trees must cost DNA testers a LOT of useful contacts!
10:47:43 From Bill West : I agree, Randy!
10:48:01 From Marcia Philbrick : Yes, Marian! I do believe it is affecting DNA screens — shared ancestor hints and circles.
10:48:53 From Maria Tegtmeier : I conquer with Randy’s French
10:49:13 From Marcia Philbrick : My mom’s DNA test has more shaky leaf hints than I do. (about twice as many)
10:51:48 From Marian Koalski : A lot of tree contributors don’t do DNA testing. Won’t those be missed in Circles, etc., if the Member Tree doesn’t have an Ancestry source.
10:53:11 From Marcia Philbrick : There is a lot of collaboration opportunities that are lost when individuals or trees aren’t included in the indexing
10:53:53 From Bill West : IMHO, they are so focused on he DNA tests they are neglecting the family tree website
10:54:26 From Graham Walter : Good point Bill – certainly seems that way
10:54:39 From Marian Koalski : I’m about to non-renew my Ancestry subscription. Maybe I’ll mention the failing tree searches and the lack of new collections as reasons.
10:56:39 From Doris Haskell : JPEG
10:56:54 From Pamela Wells : jpeg
10:56:57 From Kathleen Daetsch : jpeg
10:57:43 From Cheryl : What is a PNG? How is it different from a TIFF? [ Ol’ Myrt Googled your question and found a multitude of great responses.]10:58:42 From Pamela Wells to All panelists : PNG format is a lossless compression file format, which makes it a common choice for use on the Web. PNG is a good choice for storing line drawings, text, and iconic graphics at a small file size. JPG format is a lossy compressed file format. This makes it useful for storing photographs at a smaller size than a BMP.
10:58:54 From Lisa Gorrell : I like that the date and page comes up first when saving. That’s how I start all of my images, then the name of the newspaper, and then the person of interest.
10:59:10 From Graham Walter : PNG – interpretation – http://webhub.com/dynhelp:viewTn:0:catalog=TnNote,id=whypng
10:59:16 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : I always put them in a folder called ged docs and then I will put them in the proper folder later most of the time they never get out of the ged docs folder LOL
10:59:19 From bjanvier to All panelists : Is Snag It a free proram? Different than the clipping tool with MS Windows 10, right?
10:59:21 From Joanne Parkes : When I clip a newspaper article, I simultaneously transcribe the article and then save the clipping as source in RootsMagic using a copy the source title & the name of the person & save in their folder
10:59:53 From Joanne Parkes : Save as jpeg.
11:01:05 From Joanne Parkes : Use Macintosh Powerbook & the new version of IOW has a built in clipper called Screenshot
11:01:24 From Cousin Russ :DearMYRTLE uses Snagit from https://www.techsmith.com
11:01:40 From Dave Robison to All panelists : Docent duty calls! I’ll see you next week.
11:01:51 From Marian Koalski : Macs also have a clipper called Grab among the standard applications that come with it.
11:04:09 From Cousin Russ : Daughters of the American Revolution https://www.dar.org
11:04:54 From DearMYRTLE . : Thank-you, Marian. 🙂
11:07:12 From Marian Koalski : Good work, Dave! Revitalizing your SAR chapter as well as your local gen Soc.
11:08:36 From Marian Koalski : DAR for me
11:08:37 From Robbin Smith : my people haven’t been here long enough
11:08:55 From bjanvier : I would like to contact Dave Robinson. Does he have a blog or email I could use? [NOTE: You’ll find Dave Robison on Facebook here: https://www.facebook.com/dave.robison1 ]
11:08:56 From Randy Seaver : I’ve lost my round tuit button for SAR and GSMD. I want to do those, but haven’t done it.
11:09:01 From Mary Buchholz t : I belong to DAR – with 2 Patriots and help in the application process for others.
11:09:05 From Sue Tolbert : Yes DAR. Serving as Chapter Registrar is a great learning experience.
11:09:08 From Marcia Philbrick : My great-grandmother was in DAR. I joined on her application — but her patriot is in question. I had to go back a generation to join on his father.
11:09:18 From DearMYRTLE . : RootsTech 2019 SLC https://www.rootstech.org
11:09:20 From Crystal Toenjes : I’m turning in my DAR paperwork after Thanksgiving…FINALLY! Also working on my paperwork for ADEAW. (Associated Daughters of Early American Witches.)
11:09:54 From Marian Koalski : Sometimes you’ll find lineage societies for families who came later than the Revolution, like Pioneers of Franklin County, Iowa (made-up name).
11:11:49 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : Yes I am!!
11:12:04 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : And I am registered and have my room reserved.
11:12:59 From Doris Haskell : I don’t ever want to stop being a Temple and Family History Consultant.
11:13:54 From Marcia Philbrick : #notatRootsTech is GREAT!
11:14:52 From Betty-Lu Burton : Hillary it sounds like you will be busy next year
11:15:04 From Graham Walter : https://one-name.org/events/
11:17:27 From Marian Koalski : More real wool!
11:19:11 From Marian Koalski : Hallelujah, John Laws! That is civilization!
11:20:29 From Randy Seaver : It’s always a challenge for this California kid. Snow is great, but ice is treacherous. It rained one year and had to walk from Marriott to Radisson pushing Linda’s wheelchair into the 40 mph wind and driving rain. Plus, going north is slightly uphill. Whew, tiring pushing the chair.
11:20:39 From DearMYRTLE . : Legacy Family Tree (software) https://familytreewebinars.com/legacy_videos.php
11:20:48 From Hilary Gadsby to Betty-Lu Burton and all panelists : I certainly will but I should be retiring the following year so work will not be getting in the way
11:21:29 From Deb Andrew to All panelists : I think it is under the timeline, special properties.
11:21:34 From Marian Koalski : Yes, Geoff Rasmussen’s teaching style is better than so many I’ve seen. He paces it so you can see where he’s clicking before he moves on, and he explains why he chooses one option over another.
11:21:44 From Betty-Lu Burton : Send Geoff a e-mail asking for a short webinar on the subject
11:22:34 From Deb Andrew to All panelists : The have the training videos you can buy.
11:22:37 From Hilary Gadsby : I have been watching the webinars today
11:22:53 From Bill West : I use the On This Date and Calendar functions in RM to post a daily family history post on FB
11:23:02 From Hilary Gadsby : for Legacy 9
11:23:10 From Deb Andrew to All panelists : You can always asked me.
11:23:25 From Jim Everhart : there is a step by step Legacy 9 series , 7 parts done already with 2 more to go
11:23:56 From Deb Andrew : I did that one, it was fun!
11:26:37 From Cousin Russ : Genealogy Do-Over Book https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Genealogy_Do_Over_Workbook.html?id=gIvkjwEACAAJ&source=kp_cover
11:27:59 From Hilary Gadsby : I am trying to improve what I uploaded to WikiTree 7 years ago but am easily sidetracked
11:28:01 From Randy Seaver : Surreptitious Name changes explain a lot too.
11:28:44 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : I call them drop ins, they just fell from the sky.
11:29:03 From Randy Seaver : Interesting article today on Legacy Tree Genealogists blog about name changes https://www.legacytree.com/blog/name-changes-in-genealogy-research
11:29:26 From Cousin Russ : Genealogy Do-Over Book https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Genealogy_Do_Over_Workbook.html
11:29:40 From Cousin Russ : Old Alabama Family Photos Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/136034463747952/
11:34:24 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : I have a Ulster County New York Group, I have a great deal of my relations up there.
11:35:16 From Hilary Gadsby : Local groups are great place to find old photographs I belong to at least 1 for my home city.
11:37:07 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : yes
11:37:22 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : that is the group
11:38:09 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : I also have two family groups on facebook
11:39:08 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : one is my Family in Ireland and England my grandmothers family
11:39:24 From Cousin Russ : If you are have genealogy methodogy, technology or research questions, be sure to consult Katherine R. Willson’s Genealogy on Facebook listing of over 12,300+ groups and pages: http://socialmediagenealogy.com/genealogy-on-facebook-list –
11:39:50 From Doris Haskell : Thanks, everyone, for yet another Magnificent Mondays with Myrt
11:41:40 From DearMYRTLE : This is the link to Cousin Russ’ ingenious “The Organized Genealogist File Listing Directory” http://bit.ly/TheOrganizedGenealogistFILES
11:41:52 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : Is Lawlor the same name
11:45:56 From Graham Walter : Leila Davis born 1907
11:47:06 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : I do that too
11:55:13 From Gordon Erickson to All panelists : Regarding the “cat” I didn’t say yes, I was outvoted. 🙂
Another Mondays with Myrt session with hearty interaction among opinionated panelists and attendees. Thanks to Cousin Russ for bringing in the comments! We discussed:
FamilySearch Indexing (We will host a special WACKY Wednesday this week demonstrating this invaluable volunteer program.)
State & territorial census records
Current DAR proof requirements as Ol’ Myrt is preparing her lineage application
Fudge family photos found at a car boot sale in England & what to do with your old photos after you have passed away
Randy Seaver’s research with Henry White deeds in Killingly CT, Connecticut records
The Barbour Collection of Connecticut Town Vital Records
An open letter to an archivist
Worthwhile archival supplies
eBay – would an antique postcard illustrate your family history? Also, how to set up your watch list.
Feedly – cloud resource for following blogs and podcasts
DearMYRTLE’s most recent letter to her grandkids
10:00:31 From Deb Andrew : Good day!
10:01:26 From Jenny Hawran : I’m on vacation this week and get to do work on genealogy all week…hurray 🙂
10:01:59 From Jacqueline Wilson : Good morning from a rainy Chicago!
DearMYRTLE and Cousin Russ recognize the United Nations’ International Decade for People of African Descent 2015-2024. We reach out to _all_ regardless of race, color, creed, sexual orientation or national origin with support for researching family and documenting cultural inheritance.
10:05:40 From Michelle Minner : My Canadian Ancestors lived in same place and the borders changed !!! they became US citizens without moving! 10:06:53 From Hilary Gadsby : https://twitter.com/LynnsWaffles/status/1025109216825094144 This was what started a conversation.
10:08:22 From Jacqueline Wilson : I attended the FHF’s DNA e-conference this past Saturday! Great stuff!
10:09:05 From Cousin Russ : https://www.familysearch.org/indexing/
10:09:07 From Jacqueline Wilson : Not recently
10:09:09 From Hilary Gadsby : I got some hints from Family Search yesterday
10:09:30 From Hilary Gadsby : Not had time for indexing recently
10:09:45 From Sharon Lighthouse : I index for the DAR when I have time.
10:09:46 From bobbi to All panelists : the quick batches make it easy to sit down for just a minute and do a record
10:10:11 From Jacqueline Wilson : I see a project for me: Iowa death records.
10:10:35 From Benay Deckard to All panelists : I have
10:10:47 From Michelle Minner : I have had good luck with state census records…especially in Iowa
10:10:59 From Benay Deckard to All panelists : Mine have been with Kansas
10:11:05 From Deb Andrew : Yes, great when some people miss the other ones.
10:11:11 From Cathy Naborowski : I love state census records. Iowa especially!!!
10:11:24 From Jacqueline Wilson : I had help with the Iowa State Census, but I was at the Iowa Historical Center. It was on microfilm.
10:11:41 From Launa Droescher : used Iowa several years ago for Great-aunt’s family
10:11:42 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : I have used New York State Censuses some of them are on familysearch
10:11:53 From Sue Burns : I’ve hard great luck with the Wisconsin State census records.
10:12:19 From Janine Edmée Hakim : I love having access to state censuses…wish they had continued on into the present
10:12:24 From Cathy Naborowski : The 1925 Iowa census lists parents names and where they were married!! Broken a couple of brick walls.
10:12:29 From Rachel Evans : I don’t index as often as I would like on Family Search. I mostly go for New York or Italy records.
10:12:36 From Marcia Philbrick : State census fantastic – especially Kansas — be sure to check out the Ancestry record set: Kansas, City and County Census Records, 1919-1961 — every year and sometimes entire households
10:16:06 From Randy Seaver : There’s danger in only requiring Death Certs – there is no guarantee that parents named in a DC are correct.
10:18:32 From Michelle Minner : One of my biggest brick walls ever was caused by an informant putting a wrong mother name on her father’s death certificate!
10:19:37 From Cousin Russ : Jim – If you have a question, please post it here OR do you a verbal question that on this topic I an unmute you — OR do you want to join the panel ?
10:19:49 From Deb Andrew : On my grandfather’ death certificate, it has him born in Marion, Williamson county, IL, instead of Marion coutny, AL. The informant lived near Marion, IL.
10:20:26 From Rachel Evans : My great-grandmother’s death certificate has her stepfather as her father. My grandmother could not remember her biological grandfather’s name.
10:20:39 From Doris Haskell : I am frustrated with my DAR application process. They have changed the rules, and the patriots who qualified my mother, her mother and their sisters have been disqualified. I found another patriot, and he looked good. Died in the war. Now they want proof that he was actually a resident of New York.
10:21:38 From Kathleen Daetsch : My great-grandfathers death cirtificate has the wrong name for his mother.
10:21:48 From Randy Seaver : The 1921 death cert for Linda’s great-grandmother Jane (Whittle) McKnew provided the wrong parents names – said Joseph Whittle and Rachel Moore. Research finally showed the parents were Alexander Whittle and Rachel Morley. Needed England and Australian records to determine this.
10:22:06 From Danine Cozzens : Doris, I have a lot of disqualified patriots. Having pulled those apps years ago, I think the DAR is correct in suspecting them.
10:22:15 From Crystal Toenjes : Your experience with the DAR is very different from mine as far as required documentation. The good part of it for me is I now have several lines proven extremely well, although none of them well enough to meet the standards of the registrar I’ve been working with for nearly six years. So it’s been rewarding and frustrating at the same time.
10:22:47 From Doris Haskell : Crystal, I feel your pain.
10:22:52 From cyndy Bray : What happens if there is no death certificate.
10:23:08 From Randy Seaver : Jane McKnew was born in Australia and came to California in 1851 with her mother, lived in Gold country, married Elijah McKnew and moved to San Francisco in 1870s, and died there in 1921.
10:23:34 From cyndy Bray : grandfather disappeared in another country and as far as we know there is not death information
10:26:54 From Danine Cozzens : Randy, where in the Gold Country? I had family in Sonora and also Dutch Flat. Love going onsite.
10:27:42 From Cousin Russ : Fudge, Park & Ginn Family Pt 1 https://lynnswaffles.com/2018/08/01/fudge-park-ginn-family-pt-1/
10:27:44 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : A car boot sale sounds interesting. Possible way to de-clutter, a little at a time.
10:28:10 From Randy Seaver : Danine – Angels Camp and Tuttletown, close to Sonora! alexander Whittle committed suicide in 1853 in Angels Camp – cause said to be alcohol and an absconding wife, according to newspaper article.
10:28:32 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : Look at all the kisses for every X on the back.
10:28:58 From Rebecca Williams : I have looked for the origional documents of a birth of a great grandmother whose microfilmed copy was altered before it was filmed. The origional has since disappeared. Her middle name was inserted sometime after the document was completed and filed.
10:30:56 From Doris Haskell : She makes me think of the LRHG
10:32:05 From Kathleen Daetsch : I hate to think this is what will happen to my collection.
10:36:38 From Jenny Hawran : Trying to obtain my grandmother’s birth certificate or get a copy of her birth record from 1897 Bloomington, Indiana. Sent for it and received a transcription. When I called they said her record is on a page with other entries and I can’t get a copy of the page, nor can I even see it if I come in (I”m in CT) because of the privacy of others on the page. Anyone else deal with this before?
10:36:52 From Cousin Russ : RANDY SEAVER’S Transcriptions and my Amanuensis Monday series – specifically what I figured out in https://www.geneamusings.com/2018/07/sorting-out-henry-white-deeds-in.html
10:37:07 From Linda Jordan : Your will may not be read before your stuff has been thrown out.
10:38:00 From Jacqueline Wilson : Amazon.com: After You’re Gone: Future Proofing Your Genealogy Research eBook by Thomas MacEntee: Kindle Store https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00X8QDQEA/ref=oh_aui_d_detailpage_o04_?ie=UTF8&psc=1
10:38:44 From Rebecca Williams : I also went to a courthouse looking for the will of a second great grandfather. His will was not found. It had either been mis-filed or outright removed. I was looking for information about a child that I had thought might be his grandson. The boy was born in the same month as his daughter. On the census someone noted “twins?” The will was found microfilmed at familysearch. It confirmed he was a grandson.
10:39:30 From Doris Haskell: I love land and property records!! Have found some great treasures in them. People, not property.
10:41:46 From Danine Cozzens : Randy, those newspapers are amazing but very partisan and opinionated. They were wild and violent times. I’ll make a note of your Whittles for when I get back to my Sonora notes. He might have gotten his mail from the Sonora postoffice run by my ggf George W Patrick out of the corner store. (now a 7-11 parking lot.)
10:43:25 From Cousin Russ : Historic Map Works http://www.historicmapworks.com
10:43:26 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : I used to take horseback riding lessons in Chestnut Hill, CT
10:47:36 From Jenny Hawran : Tolland is in the eastern part of Connecticut
10:47:45 From Jenny Hawran : I live in the Hartford area
10:47:53 From Randy Seaver : I have found that the best way to “advance the ball” in my genealogy research is to transcribe a deed or will or pension file each week and add it to my family tree database. I have 440 transcriptions now – I list them on my Amanuensis Monday Posts page at https://www.geneamusings.com/p/amanuensis-monday-posts.html
10:48:01 From Rebecca Williams : I was unclear about the middle name added to the birth certificate after the fact: the middle name added was not her middle name. Belle was added but her middle name was Bethiah, ater her mother’s mother. Very sorry to muddle things up.
10:49:58 From Cousin Russ : DearMYRTLE’s An Open Letter to an Archivist http://dearmyrtle.com/blog2/index.php/2018/08/03/an-open-letter-to-an-archivist Ol’ Myrt has some questions about filing photos and unusual family papers in acid-free metal edge Hollinger boxes.
10:57:10 From Danine Cozzens : Re: archiving, a hearty second to “readily processed into regional archive collection.” I’m a genealogical “dead end kid” with no direct descendants.
11:00:29 From Danine Cozzens : Russ, that’s also my question. To break up a big collection or find out particular archives.
11:01:26 From Michelle Minner : I love having a “watch” set up…and it helps finding things you wouldn’t have time to search for.
11:02:00 From Michelle Minner : I set up watches for “county” names…I get a lot of county historical books
11:04:12 From Jacqueline Wilson : Danine, I am also a “dead end kid”. It is great to have a term of us!
11:05:12 From Michelle Minner : Jacqueline and Danine, add me to the “dead end kid” group!
11:05:14 From Danine Cozzens : We need our own support group.
11:05:22 From Randy Seaver : my grandparents collected San Diego postcards for 80 years. I remember seeing them when we had the garage sale after they died in the 1970s, and the postcards probably went to dealers with antique stores and ephemera shops in San Diego. I wish that I had saved them but life was different then.
11:05:29 From Crystal Toenjes : I found my 3rd great grandparents Bible on Ebay 15 years ago. It was left in the house after the family moved the elderly mother into a nursing home and sold the home. The new owners of the house were selling left behind items online. Got it for $25.
11:06:22 From Danine Cozzens : I’m deecoz@gmail and all over the internet so please let me know if anyone else is up for perhaps a G+ group?
11:08:02 From Jacqueline Wilson : https://museums.kenosha.org/civilwar/
11:10:32 From Jeanne Courval to All panelists : I use it to buy old postcards from the South Carolina area and areas in Indiana and Illinois. I have found postcards of building that no longer exist that are relevant to my family history
11:13:58 From Deb Andrew : My dad was catpured in a shot for Life Magazine. He is looking straight at the camerca. There had been a major coal mining accident. 1952
11:15:27 From Molly McKinley : I have my grandmother’s postcard collection. Many were from relatives. Having the addresses and notes on the back helps me find the place where these relatives fit.
11:18:08 From Molly McKinley : It was probably the hospital auxillary’s recipes.
11:19:11 From Jacqueline Wilson : Could the recipe book be a fund raising book, like they now have. I had a bunch at one time.
11:21:39 From Bill West : Better late than never. Just back from car repairs Oh the pain, the pain!
11:23:00 From Cousin Russ : FEEDLY (A cloud viewer of blogs and podcasts) https://feedly.com/i/welcome
11:28:02 From Randy Seaver : I love the idea of a letter to the grandkids.
11:29:56 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : Thanks for a magnificent Monday
11:31:21 From Jacqueline Wilson : Jim – Sounds like my office!
11:34:54 From Cousin Russ : https://www.livingdna.com
25 June 2018 Mondays with MyrtOur flagship webinar, where we talk about anything and everything that’s come across our genea-desks in the last week. Our special guest is Myrt’s cousin David Taylor, developer of The Family Nexus – a map and pedigree chart smart phone app that alerts users to the locations of ancestral events.
10:02:16 From Dave Robison: https://blog.myheritage.com/2018/06/myheritage-offers-free-dna-tests-to-help-reunite-separated-migrant-children-with-their-parents/
10:02:31 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : Good Morning to everyone.
10:03:07 From June Butka to All panelists : Warm hellos to everyone.
10:05:04 From June Butka : Warm Hello to everyone.
10:05:11 From David Taylor to All panelists : I’d like to share this link later on when I talk about the crowdfunding campaign. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-family-nexus-for-android-apps-iphone/#/
10:05:11 From Randy Seaver to All panelists : I’ve been using Newspapers.com for two weeks now, and finding more goodies – here’s one that correctsd a death date – https://www.geneamusings.com/2018/06/3rd-great-grandmother-mary-vaux.html
10:05:18 From Deb Andrew : Goodmorning.
10:05:37 From Robbin Smith : Good Morning from warm and humid miami
10:05:39 From JoAnn : Good Afternoon
10:05:46 From Holly Hansen : Great!
10:05:55 From Pamela to All panelists : Cheers, everyone!
DearMYRTLE and Cousin Russ recognize the United Nations’ International Decade for People of African Descent 2015-2024. We reach out to _all_ regardless of race, color, creed, sexual orientation or national origin with support for researching family and documenting cultural inheritance.
10:07:23 From Sheryl : Hello from South Louisiana
10:08:37 From Randy Seaver : Good morning from sunny but still cool Chula Vista CA
10:10:20 From Bill West : Good morning from gloomy southeastern Massachusetts
10:12:02 From Marcia Philbrick : Myrt – I live on highway 36 in Kansas (Seneca, KS).
10:13:22 From June Butka : His phone is at 49% battery life.
10:13:35 From Dave Robison Available for Android??
10:15:03 From Hilary Gadsby: Not yet
10:18:36 From Randy Seaver : I doubt that Geneva Tweddell married a Roger Dumb or a Johnny Dee, but wouldn’t that be funny?
10:19:29 From Dave Robison to All panelists : Did he mention “Hardin” and if so, a location or a family name?
10:20:00 From Hilary Gadsby : Being able to display on your phone makes it easier to share with family.
10:20:55 From Randy Seaver : hi True Lewis, are you home now?
10:22:07 From True Lewis : Hello Randy! – yes , I made it back last night.
10:23:15 From Marcia Philbrick : uninstalling the app and re-installing fixed the crashing app for me
10:23:20 From Randy Seaver : so you do need [to link to a] FamilySearch Family Tree, right?
10:23:36 From deecoz : How does the data get into the app? (I had a crash & missed that point.)
10:23:56 From Cousin Russ : firstname.lastname@example.org
10:24:06 From David Taylor : Crowd sourcing the fundraising efforts for the Android vresion of the program https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-family-nexus-for-android-apps-iphone/#/
10:24:22 From Cousin Russ : https://thefamilynexus.com/
10:24:27 From Cousin Russ : https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-family-nexus-for-android-apps-iphone/#/
10:24:29 From nana2 : Thanks, Dave Taylor. There goes my plans for yard work today. I got the premium edition at RootsTech2018, but haven’t really felt like I understood it well enough to use it much until today. Thanks again!
10:25:25 From Janine Edmee Hakim : Thank you, very interesting
10:27:08 From DearMYRTLE : https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-family-nexus-for-android-apps-iphone/#/
10:28:52 From Hilary Gadsby : Can you use it anywhere in the world?
10:29:14 From David Taylor : @Hilary Yes it works everywhere!
10:29:28 From Randy Seaver : the late late show video was wonderful fun
10:29:41 From Hilary Gadsby : great video
10:29:47 From Marian Koalski : I was amazed by the visit with Paul McCartney.
[We shared some pic of True Lewis attending the Daughters of the American Revolution annual “Congress.” Find out more about the DAR at http://www.DAR.org ]
10:29:54 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : Beautiful True.
10:30:01 From Marian Koalski : Superb gown, True!
10:30:24 From Melinda Culpon : Absolutely beautiful!
10:30:43 From Hilary Gadsby : loved that pboto
10:32:16 From Marian Koalski : You make me want to go back, True! I remember long days and sore feet.
10:35:47 From Linda : The early Daughters were laughed at for purchasing useless swamp land!
10:38:57 From Deb Andrew : Why would you have to cover the insigma? Is it a secret society?
10:40:09 From Marian Koalski : It isn’t secret. I’m puzzled by what True says about the insignia. Around Mass., we’re encouraged to wear the insignia to public events — but behave like ladies!
10:40:32 From Marian Koalski : We wear them at Memorial Day observances, etc.
10:40:36 From deecoz : Campfire Girls used to have robes worn only within the meetings. As did Job’s Daughters. Customs vary with organizations and times.
10:41:45 From Linda : DAR insignia may be worn in public at official events. However, it must be covered when eating in restaurants, in bars, etc. Otherwise, it is just worn at DAR meetings and conferences.
10:45:00 From June Butka : I loved following you [True Lewis] on Facebook.
10:47:46 From Cousin Russ : Black ProGen hangouts http://www.whoisnickasmith.com/blackprogen/
10:48:37 From True Lewis : Linda that is the way I was taught about Insignia in Public. Meetings and Conferences and Official Events.
11:00:24 From Randy Seaver : Pat – you could put the obituary transcription in the Notes and the source in the Source field
11:02:20 From Marian Koalski : I try to put any images of documents that I have into the Memories section, in hopes that people will see the facts more clearly.
11:03:32 From Molly : I have a step-great grandfather who married 2 Alices. My great grandmother was the second one. All the children listed were from the 1st Alice. I keep finding all his children being atriibuted to my great grandmother.
11:09:34 From Marcia Philbrick : As a teacher in a small rural school, we had two students with the same first, middle and last name and same birthdate. They were in the same graduating class. We told them apart in our record keeping by the community they lived in.
11:10:59 From Marian Koalski : Tough to be an educator in that situation!
11:13:40 From Cousin Russ : Citing “LOCATIONAL DATA” in one’s own office – Evidence Explained FB Group https://www.facebook.com/evidenceexplained/photos/a.304242282984494.69857.297329857009070/1979628775445828/?type=3
11:14:08 From Dave Robison : Thanks for letting me discuss NERGC. Registration will be opening soon. http://www.nergc.org
11:14:39 From Marian Koalski : It would help me find my own stuff again!
11:14:49 From June Butka : That would be okay if that is where the items stays. You would need to remember to change it if you moved.
11:15:02 From jacquelinewilson : Overshare – because every time it gets moved, you would have to change the station!
11:15:18 From Molly : I am laughing about that as I am constantly moving stuff around. It would not work for me.
11:16:25 From June Butka : Provenence is what I put in my meta data on a digital copy.
11:16:49 From Marian Koalski : I make notations about folder and file name in my citations. They’re mostly for me anyway, and it might help a grand-kid find it later.
11:23:51 From Melinda Culpon : Dr Jones at IGHR says that he edits almost all footnotes and citations get edited as a printed space issue.
11:23:54 From Cousin Russ : https://www.facebook.com/evidenceexplained/
11:24:22 From jacquelinewilson : No wonder I had issues with it yesterday!
11:25:15 From Melinda Culpon : you were missed!
11:27:14 From Randy Seaver : That was Hannah Morden of Living DNA. I talked to her and David Nicholson at Jamboree
11:27:22 From True Lewis : Thanks for everything Dear Myrtle (Pat) & Cousin Russ for being on this Journey with me from the beginning! I enjoyed being here this afternoon.
11:28:01 From DearMYRTLE to All panelists : An honor to have you!
11:28:19 From Deb Andrew : Is it more than what is on your results on the web page?
11:28:44 From Randy Seaver : how much did the book cost?
11:28:47 From True Lewis : My Welsh line is J1 my Evans.
11:29:36 From Marcia Philbrick : Email from tngusers list — Many TNG (The Next Generation) web sites were hacked last night. It evidently affected sites running TNG 11. The resolution is to restore from a backup and then update to version 12.0.1 http://www.tngsitebuilding.com/
11:35:12 From Randy Seaver : I was at San Diego FamilySearch Library last Saturday finding English parish records for my project study presentation
11:35:23 From Cousin Russ : Researchers Guide to American Genealogy 4th Edition by Val D. Greenwood, 2017 (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co.) Available in paperback
10:06:13 From June Butka : I have several Rev. War Patriots, however none in the DAR or SAR are for my Line. I believe I now can join. with the information I collected for my Mayflower line.
10:08:20 From marian koalski : Ditto in Massachusetts, John!
10:08:31 From Dawn Carlile : It is definitely spring in Oregon!
10:08:40 From Janine Edmée Hakim : Snow testerday, sun sun sun today…so far in Upstate NY
10:09:00 From Randy Seaver : spring in San Diego area – was gray this morning, but clearing off now.
10:09:14 From Melinda Culpon to All panelists : beautiful spring NOT HUMID day in Houston
10:10:59 From DearMYRTLE to All panelists : Maureen Taylor, the Photo Detective https://maureentaylor.com/
10:11:48 From Mary Lou Gravatt : I read recently even if you are not going to a society to do an app as great research tool.
10:13:06 From Holly Hansen : 2018 International Family History Expo https://familyhistoryexpos.com/viewevent/index/190
10:13:55 From June Butka : I have several Rev. War Patriots, however none in the DAR or SAR are for my Line. I believe I now can join. with the information I collected for my Mayflower line.
10:17:35 From Holly Hansen : https://familyhistoryexpos.com/calldescriptions/index/190
10:19:14 From Shelley Murphy : June, if you need any help with DAR, let me know.
10:21:16 From June Butka : I’ll wait.
10:21:45 From June Butka : Mine were. They are registered, not just my line.
10:21:47 From Sheri Fenley : June – proving a new patriot is a very good thing! Need to prove service and residence
10:22:13 From June Butka : thank you all for the help offer.
10:22:41 From Rachel Evans : I have several options to join DAR with but I want to enter under a female ancestor who nursed her brother and another man wounded in service.
10:24:01 From Sheri Fenley : Excellent idea!
10:25:59 From June Butka : Both Ancestry and Family Search were slow and needed to be refreshed.
NOTE from DearMYRTLE: Sunday is always a big research day at FamilySearch. I don’t even venture out there if I can help it.
10:26:03 From Sheri Fenley : Wow I was on ancestry.com this morning and had no problems
10:26:29 From Melinda Culpon : Has anyone else see the doubling of middle names on ancestry recently?
10:26:57 From Valerie Lisk : Last night I did a Google search and was directed to 6 records on #Ancestry that did not show up on my Ancestry search.
10:27:04 From Roxanne Cummings Basey : I have experienced searches being faulty. I found an ancestor by searching a child but there he was under the name I had previously searched very clealy. He didn’t show up when I searched by his name. This type of thing has happened often.
10:27:11 From marian koalski : Is the slowness appearing in Ancestry’s record searches or only on the DNA connection databases?
10:27:12 From June Butka : I’ve seen mutliple listing of records I knew only had one entry by me on my tree.
10:27:17 From Janine Edmée Hakim : I have a “devil of a time” trying to add to/edit information on records
10:27:49 From Melinda Culpon : Record searches for me Mariann.
10:28:08 From Roxanne Cummings Basey : I don’t trust ancestry search results anymore.
10:29:24 From Roxanne Cummings Basey : Is there any way to do a joint complaint?
10:29:45 From June Butka : Russ, when you said June, did you mean I’m updating my database?
10:29:47 From Roxanne Cummings Basey : Speed is not the problem for me.
10:30:04 From Cousin Russ to June Butka : Yes you, June
10:30:12 From Deb Andrew : I had all three problems mentioned. My computer is the lastest and greatest you can have, high internet speed and band width.
10:30:34 From Bill West : I have had a hint leat for my great grandfather for a database that is no longer available. The leaf has been there for almost a year and I can’t remove it because the database isn’t available. Grrr.
10:31:57 From Deb Andrew : When, dh talked to him last week (he is in the tech industry) they told him, #Ancestry had fired their whole IT tech team.
10:33:43 From Randy Seaver : Deb, who did your did you talk to? At Ancestry? Fired IT team? wow.
10:34:43 From Dawn Carlile : Fold3 has many errors in their indexed records and I probably put in 80-100 corrections one evening and it was mainly that they did not sync with the images or the wrong info was typed, not that they couldn’t read they record. It was for WWI & WWII pension index cards.
10:34:47 From Dave Robison : “Speeling duzn’t cownt”
10:35:24 From Deb Andrew : DH talked to a manager at Ancestry. The first person tried to tell him nothing was wrong, he then asked to talk to a manager.
10:36:04 From Hilary Gadsby : If the records have been mistranscribed originally the corrections do not come over to Family Search just the original transcription. I found one for an Eleanor which had come over as something else just this weekend
10:36:30 From Randy Seaver : thank you, Deb. Amazing. Of course, they don’t have a server farm anymore. Management changes ==> layoffs ==> customer problems
10:36:49 From Dawn Carlile : I hear from professional researchers and they are bookmarking the records they use frequently so they can easily find them. Even if indexed they do not show up in the searches.
NOTE from DearMYRTLE: I recommend downloading each document, and citing it in your desktop genealogy database program. Your citation would conform with Elizabeth Shown Mills’ thinking including date viewed. See:
10:37:24 From Dawn Carlile : On familysearch I always check the ONLINE box.
10:37:39 From June Butka : I find if you look at the citation and see a film number and image number, use those numbers in the catalog search , not the collection. I found more that way without getting the index with no image. There were images available.
10:37:51 From Roxanne Cummings Basey : Dawn – what does the ONLINE box accomplish?
10:38:08 From Deb Andrew : Ancestry said it would all be fix probably in two weeks, but no more than a month. I doubt it.
10:38:25 From Dawn Carlile : It only shows you results that are digitized so you do not have to keep clicking and loking to see what is digitized,
10:38:41 From Randy Seaver to All panelists : Russ, can you highlgiht Deb Andrew’s comments?
10:38:43 From Roxanne Cummings Basey : I agree – the soundex helped me find a record that I couldn’t find otherwise on ancestry.
10:38:43 From Melissa Barker : Internet Archive is a great resource!
10:39:55 From Randy Seaver : Pension cards or draft registration cards?
10:41:43 From marian koalski : That leads to low morale among the remaining staff, too.
10:41:50 From Cousin Russ : https://www.familysearch.org/catalog/search
10:42:03 From Cousin Russ :https://search.findmypast.com/search-world-records
10:42:04 From DearMYRTLE to Cousin Russ(Privately) : https://www.ancestry.com/
10:43:32 From Dawn Carlile : Randy, it is under pension cards.
10:44:02 From Sherry Everett : I’m fairly new to genealogy and my first time here. so I’m sorry I know none of the people on the panel. thank you for providing info
10:44:10 From Valerie Lisk : What i the advantage of WikiTree over Familysearch?
10:45:00 From Dave Robison to Sherry Everett : Sherry Everett—Welcome to Mondays With Myrt!!
10:45:01 From June Butka : Those who offered DAR/SAR help can PM at Facebook June Stearns Butka.
10:45:01 From Micki Minner : I never could figure out how to use WikiTree…might be a good session for me to attend and learn
10:51:44 From Bill West : It drives me crazy that MyHeritage emails me they’ve found new records and most of them are not records but family trees on WikiTree and Geni.com. They are NOT records, they are trees!
10:52:05 From Kathleen` Newbill to All panelists : I agree with Bill West…it’s very frustrating!
10:52:33 From Valerie Lisk : I have RootsMagic and a tree on Familysearch. A DNA pedigree tree on all of the testing sites. I didn’t know if it was worth adding another online tree.
10:53:36 From DearMYRTLE : Daniel Horowitz is the Chief Genealogy Officer at MyHeritage.com
10:54:22 From Linda Jordan to All panelists : Yes, Micki, WikiTree is hard to learn. One also has to have documentation — and list it all, for each person and event, which is good, but very time consuming when you have lots of people to add and no matches to others already on WikiTree. Also, when I finally found a person that was already on the tree however the person I contacted has still not replied so the person hasn’t been added as yet. That was a couple of months ago.
10:54:48 From Maria Tegtmeier : Speaking of DNA, I appreciated Pat sharing Thomas MacEntee’s post on FB about National DNA day and DNA scams.
10:54:56 From Cyndy Bray : I agree with Bill and Russ. Most of the trees I get from My Heritage are not sourced at all.
10:55:16 From Randy Seaver : Remember that WikiTree started before FamilySearch Family Tree, but after other collaborative trees like OneGreatFamily, One World Tree, etc.
10:56:13 From Randy Seaver : A WikiTree advantage is being able to upload a GEDCOM file, but you have to match your GEDCOM profiles to existing profiles.
10:56:28 From Dawn Carlile : Randy – The Fold3 description is Veterans Administration Pension Payment Cards, This image is an example. https://www.fold3.com/image/591268767
10:56:58 From marian koalski : The WikiTree presentation is visually difficult for me. I like their philosophy and efforts, but it’s hard for me to scan and separate the person’s profile from other stuff on the page.
10:57:36 From Sherry Everett : So for a novice, which is the best place to start? Ancestry or someplace else?
10:57:38 From Linda Jordan : Also, when I finally found a person that was already on the tree however the person I contacted has still not replied so the person hasn’t been added as yet. That was a couple of months ago.
10:59:51 From Randy Seaver : thank you, Dawn. I didn’t know about that collection. i’ll check it out later.
11:00:59 From Randy Seaver : Jackie – WikiTree is FREE, Geni.com is not for the big tree. WikiTree has GEDCOM upload, Geni does not. WikiTree has 17 million profiles, Geni claims 120 million.
11:02:08 From Randy Seaver : Geni provides Hints from MyHeritage, no Hints on WikiTree. Sources are prominent on WikiTree, nonexistent on Geni. WikiTree for genealogists, Geni started as a family photo sharing site.
11:03:12 From marian koalski : Yes, I like FamilySearch’s layout
11:05:00 From Rachel Evans : I think I spend more time in the Family Search trees fixing things. I have an ancestor who people keep changing his name and children to someone else’s. I put a discussion in his profile but people keep changing it back. It does get fustrating at times.
11:05:08 From Cyndy Bray : Famiy Search tree has errors for my famiy, not sure how to correct
11:05:12 From Dawn Carlile : I prefer the list of siblings and children on FamilySearch. The paragraph is to hard to scan and spot names.
11:05:21 From marian koalski : On FamilySearch, when I click on a fact, it will tell me which sources apply to it.
11:06:47 From Holly Hansen : You can watch ancestors or any individual in FamilySearch’s Tree, with email notifications that alert you to changes made. You can turn this on or off.
11:06:48 From Randy Seaver : I use FamilySearch’s Tree extensively because it will be long lasting and is BIG. But it has problems with duplicate profiles and anyone can change a profile. I use RootsMagic to match my RM persons to FSFT profiles and exchange data back and forth, standardize FSFT place names, etc.
11:07:44 From Roxanne Cummings Basey : Does FamilySearch only allow a person to have one tree uploaded? [NOTE from DearMYRTLE: it’s one big tree, and we each add to it.]
11:08:10 From Jackie Wilson : I just saw that a woman just died this month – she was proved to have been born in 1900!
11:08:47 From Maria Tegtmeier : I love how RootsMagic integrates with FamilySearch. They are powerful together.
11:10:29 From Roxanne Cummings Basey : I have Legacy Family Tree.
11:10:36 From Shelley Murphy : I think I will set once a week time to work on my Roots Magic tree…I am not using it to its fullest. I get too busy chases DNA matches.
11:11:03 From Randy Seaver : FamilySearch Tree is the biggest available collaborative tree. I’ve found the 19th and early 20th century families are pretty accurate with few duplicates. Much of the data was input by LDS members from family records. 17th century profiles can be problematic – multiple sets of parents, multiple sets of children, duplicate spouses, etc.
11:11:55 From Randy Seaver : FST is set up to have discussions, to have sources, to have notes, including research notes. Users need to use all of that to foster better collaboration.
11:13:13 From Valerie Lisk : I met 3 previously unknown cousins on FST.
11:13:14 From Randy Seaver : Roxanne – watch some of the Legacy videos about using LFT with FamilySearch Family Tree.
11:13:52 From Roxanne Cummings Basey : Thanks Randy. Will do asap.
11:15:10 From marian koalski : The LFT videos are excellent, and they teach methods that could (should) be applied to other packages, too (like how to add sources, how to name places, etc.)
11:16:06 From Maria Tegtmeier : I like the FamilySearch Memory App [that syncs with my profile, or an ancestors’ at ]FamilySearch. You can easily record a memory or upload a picture and quickly link it to person.
11:16:54 From Deb Andrew : I had a issue with that, family said man was the father, when he was not, but his brother. I had to use DNA to prove it.
11:17:06 From Valerie Lisk : I added it once I found DNA proof. That’s what happened to my paternam grandmother.
11:17:28 From Dawn Carlile : I would add it to my RootsMagic tree and the source would say family tradition, who told me, etc.
11:17:38 From Dawn Carlile : DNA!
11:18:29 From Dawn Carlile : Keep in mind that those siblings were probably told that info by the same person.
11:26:02 From marian koalski : I put “maybe” at the front of the possible surname, like “maybe Franklin”
11:27:14 From Cousin Russ : DNA DAY and Thomas MacEntee’s warning – https://www.facebook.com/groups/DearMYRTLE/permalink/10160353011115374/
11:27:20 From Deb Andrew : I put an open note on Ancestry for a challenged descendant and why it is challenged.
11:30:02 From Micki Minner : I am the oldest of 4, and all 4 of us siblings have all different DNA percentages…however, I also found that 1 of us do not have the same mother and father as the other 3! Blaine Bettinger helped me determine that she must have been adopted or taken in by my parents. Shock to all of us! NOBODY knew…yes, I agree…even family tradition should be noted in your files! I have “suspicions” about her parentage, but no proof “yet”
11:30:25 From Shelley Murphy : I submitted a Living DNA test and waiting to see what comes back vs the other tests I have taken.
11:30:30 From Randy Seaver : I would add “Transfer raw data to GEDMatch” also, which is FREE.
11:30:34 From Shelley Murphy : “Cousin Bait”.
11:30:45 From Micki Minner : YEA…COUSIN BAIT!
11:30:52 From Betsey Cotter to All panelists : If I tested my parents, is there any reason to test my siblings?
11:31:31 From Randy Seaver : FTDNA, MyHeritage and GEDMatch have chromosome browsers that can help you find common DNA segments and identify common ancestors.
11:31:32 From Shelley Murphy : MyHeritage results came back and is a bit different then ancestry and 23andme. It was interesting.
11:32:16 From Shelley Murphy : When will Ancestry put up a chromosome browser?
11:33:14 From Randy Seaver : Shelley, they have resisted forever. We need a browser, but also the tools to identify chromosome segments that match.
11:33:47 From Kathleen` Newbill to All panelists : I thought the question was exclusionary…you and your siblings can only have the DNA your parents have. If they’ve tested, won’t their DNA cover the ground as far as relatives are concerned?
11:34:09 From Randy Seaver : MyHeritage has done a great job with the tools in a short time.
11:34:18 From Deb Andrew : I view testing siblings along with parents, is that the siblings, including yourself adds another layer for the future generations who are trying to reach back.
11:34:43 From Shelley Murphy : Living DNA was at Rootstech…it was also an interesting sales pitch.
11:35:04 From Shelley Murphy : I want to learn DNA Painter.
11:36:38 From Micki Minner : DNA Painter helped me a LOT! I would get DNA “matches” that I couldn’t figure out…and on DNA Painter you can easily see what side of the family the match lands!
11:36:42 From Bill West : I know of someone who insists that DNA testing is the final word in confirming the accuracy of a family tree but where results for siblings can differ I don’t think that is true.
11:36:59 From Valerie Lisk : They have linked Blaine’s cM chart to DNApainter as a calculator. You can change the amount of cM and see the posible relationships.
11:38:30 From Cousin Russ : DNA PAINTERhttps://dnapainter.com/
11:39:07 From Cousin Russ : DNA DAY and Thomas MacEntee’s warning video – https://www.facebook.com/groups/DearMYRTLE/permalink/10160353011115374/
11:39:33 From Cousin Russ : DNAQuest (pro bono by MyHeritage) is now world wide https://www.dnaquest.org/
11:40:32 From marian koalski : Is that young woman going to head-punch her grandmother with her hat?
11:40:39 From Shelley Murphy : They are building their nitch!
11:41:09 From Shelley Murphy : My numbers were different vs ancestryDNA
11:42:36 From Dawn Carlile : Not that one. It is the MyHeritage DNA, not Geoff Live.
11:43:29 From Cousin Russ : Hands-On with MyHeritageDNA https://familytreewebinars.com/download.php?webinar_id=792
11:43:48 From Cyndy Bray : MyHeritage webinars are always free on Legacy’s Family Tree Webinars.
11:43:49 From Shelley Murphy : It’s the best $49 a year I have spent.
11:43:56 From Dawn Carlile : Geoff is also related to Ron Snir, I think it was him. One of the two men from MyHeritage that day anyway.
11:44:20 From Cousin Russ : Gail Dever Petition to save WWI-era Ukrainian internee cemetery in Quebec http://genealogyalacarte.ca/?p=23508
11:44:22 From Randy Seaver : Ethnicity estimates with different companies are varied – I’ve found 23andMe and MyHeritage are best for me. It has everything to do with the reference groups used to identify n ethnicity
11:44:32 From Cousin Russ : Judy Russell’s NARA DIGITIZED RECORDS http://www.legalgenealogist.com/2018/04/20/and-another-thing/
11:44:46 From Cousin Russ : We CONTINUE our discussion here: https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/102461242403735457058/+DearmyrtlePage/posts/DSxgndQdEqp
11:45:05 From Cousin Russ : This technology will become available by the end of the year? Wow! https://thefamilycurator.com/how-to-preserve-and-test-old-letters-for-grandmas-dna/
11:45:07 From Valerie Lisk : They have sales were it’s 40% off and usually Thomas M. gives a coupon code for an additional 15% off.
11:45:08 From Cousin Russ : .
11:47:34 From Donna Burleaud : Thanks for keeping us so well informed about genealogy topics!
11:47:52 From Janine Edmée Hakim : te title of the article is Can DNA testing be trusted? The shockingly imprecise science of a proven courtroom tool
11:47:56 From Shelley Murphy : Good talk today…enjoy the rest of your day!
11:48:20 From Dawn Carlile : Wonderful information once again!
11:48:23 From Danine Cozzens : So much helpful info today — thanks to all!
11:48:37 From Randy Seaver : Janine, thery don’t use the genealogy tools for criminal testing – they use other DNA test methods.
11:48:41 From Mary Lou Gravatt : Great Hang out!
11:49:08 From Deb Andrew : Yes,
11:50:28 From Hilary Gadsby : I am going to get some birthday cake and more tea. HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
11:50:45 From Tina Torsey : What Chapter are we doing Wed?
11:53:36 From Cousin Russ : AmericaGen Study Group, Wednesday, April 25, 2018 Chapter 4 “Evidence”, Noon Eastern US (New York), 11am Central US (Chicago), 10am Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 9am Pacific US (Los Angeles)
SYLLABUS – Researchers Guide to American Genealogy 4th Edition by Val D. Greenwood, 2017 (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co.) Available in paperback
11:53:51 From Tina Torsey to All panelists : thanks
11:56:30 From Janine Edmée Hakim : Thanks Randy Seaver… good to know that the DNA that might be collected from an artifact or stamp will be more accurately analyzed and therefore be reliable when it is used for genealogy.
Wednesday, 25 April 2018 THE ARCHIVE LADY, 9pm Eastern US (New York), 8pm Central US (Chicago), 7pm Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 6pm Pacific US (Los Angeles) We are delighted to feature our resident archivist Melissa LeMaster Barker, who serves as the Certified Archives Manager at the Houston County, Tennessee Archives. A popular genealogical speaker, author and blogger, Melissa is also the FGS Forum Reviews Editor.
11:59:25 From Valerie Lisk : John do you know approx. how much you need per day in Stratford Upon Avon for food etc?
12:01:06 From Valerie Lisk : How much would a pub meal be. We are doing the hop on hop off bus.
12:02:39 From Valerie Lisk : I’m trying to make sure I load my travel card with enogh money.
12:02:40 From Kathleen` Newbill : 12 to 15 Euro per person when I was in Belfast in February.