Mondays with Myrt – 29 April 2019


In which we discuss odd spellings for places like SEQUIM, WA. :::giggle::: 

We also hear about Family Tree Live conference held in Alexandria Place, London the previous weekend and take a look at upcoming conferences in Ohio, California, Missouri and Washington, DC in addition to UK conferences, namely TheGenealogyShow.UK and RootsTech- London. Thanks to #FindMyPast for getting the word out EARLY concerning their Tree-to-Tree hinting that will debut this summer. We also take a look at Gary’s post in the Forum for a brief overview of the importance of citing what we are looking at and how this may be a cause for layered citations.

This begs the question – “Do you go back routinely to provide the updated URL for a record you’ve cited in the past?”



10:02:56 From garygauthier : Hi from Calgary
10:03:19 From Robbin Smith : Hello from Miami
10:07:30 From Melissa Barker : Hello Everyone! Coming to you from the Houston County, TN. Archives!
10:08:16 From Doris Haskell : Thanks! I’ll take it!
10:08:27 From Valerie Lisk : Oh My! In April? Is that common Doris?
10:08:35 From garygauthier : We had about a foot of snow in Calgary.
10:08:49 From Cousin Russ : To access an application SAR (Sons of the American Revolution) “worksheet”
10:09:18 From Doris Haskell : My application to the DAR has been denied 5 times so far.
10:12:21 From Pamela Wells : My DAR application is in process in Washington now.
10:12:46 From Kathleen Newbill to All panelists : Boy Scouts does a great job of teaching flag etiquette.
10:14:15 From Betty-Lu Burton : Hello from Arkansas
10:14:29 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : What really started my interest in genealogy was wondering if my grandmother’s family might go back to the Revolution and that I might have a patriot in my ancestry.
10:18:30 From Danine Cozzens : Most of my DAR ancestors fall into the red-flagged category. (Having pulled all those apps, I agree.)
10:18:54 From Sheryl Zeringue to All panelists : Good morning from South Louisiana.
10:18:54 From Danine Cozzens : Girls Scouts did too!
10:19:47 From Marcia Philbrick : My original DAR application was denied because of same name issues (Jason Hammond, CT). I went in on the father of the person I originally applied on. I know that records are confused for 2 James Crawfords in KY.
10:20:10 From Molly McKinley : One of mine that was accepted is now blocked.
10:21:27 From Graham Walter : What is the ‘red flag’ issue? [NOTE: “Red flagged” means the lineage is in question, more research required.]
10:22:32 From Graham Walter : OK – that puts it into perspective
10:23:53 From Doris Haskell : Yes. Thank you. There is someone in New York trying to help me. And each rejection is for a different patriot. I’ll be happy to talk with you later.
10:24:23 From Doris Haskell : Yes.
10:24:27 From Doris Haskell : In Huntington
10:24:56 From Doris Haskell : It’s fun to say Loong Island

10:26:47 From Cousin Russ : Origins (Amazon Prime Video) .
10:27:14 From Doris Haskell : In the early days, there were many farms. My ancestors built a grain mill that was powered with a water wheel.
10:28:09 From Nathan Dylan Goodwin to All panelists : Guess what I’ll be watching tonight? Origins! Thanks for the recommendation!
10:28:11 From Marian Koalski to All panelists : Yes, the nuns cheat for her
10:29:21 From Graham Walter : Unfortunately not on Prime UK 🙁
10:31:30 From Dave Robison to All panelists : I’m with Nathan…but only after the Red Sox game!
10:34:23 From Doris Haskell : Where do you go to get permission to enter that cemetery?
10:36:56 From Marian Koalski to All panelists : Pat, you’re saying Dorchester “right.”
10:37:21 From Cecelia DeBolt : How interesting! I love the detective work!
10:37:29 From Doris Haskell : What if it was a secret NPE? [NOTE: In DearMYRTLE’s experience, most non-paternal event or misattributed parentage situations were indeed secret.]
10:38:32 From Randy Seaver : word for word transcription of wills and deeds reveals many secrets! The challenge is to find them and that they are readable.
10:40:11 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists :
10:40:26 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists :
10:40:37 From Randy Seaver : I have a dedicated transcription time every Sunday after church in order to feed the Amanuensis Monday posts.
10:41:02 From Marian Koalski to All panelists : Some parts of Dorchester are rough
10:41:15 From Dave Robison : But Marian, there are no “R’s” in Dorchester!! HA!
10:41:32 From Randy Seaver : Dohchestah?
10:41:45 From Marian Koalski to All panelists : Right, Dave!
10:42:06 From Randy Seaver : or Woiostah either
10:42:19 From Randy Seaver : Woostah
10:42:25 From Doris Haskell : As in, “Park the car in Harvard Yard”.
10:42:53 From Hilary Gadsby : Don’t like pronouncing our English place names
10:44:26 From Graham Walter : lavender?
10:44:41 From Danine Cozzens to All panelists : Squeem!
10:44:41 From Betsey Cotter to All panelists : squim
10:44:55 From Betsey Cotter to All panelists : and it is lavender
10:45:37 From Betsey Cotter to All panelists : Second biggest lavender producer outside Provence, France

Janet Few The History Interpreter
10:47:00 From Randy Seaver : Janet Few (The History Interpreter) wrote several blog posts about Family Tree Live in
10:47:41 From John Laws : Also grown in North West Norfolk
10:50:08 From Dave Robison to All panelists : Time to run….Thanks for letting me discuss SAR/DAR!
10:51:41 From Hilary Gadsby to All panelists : Nathan is in the attendees he was at Family Tree Live
10:51:42 From garygauthier : Isn’t lavender also grown in Tunbridge Wells? It’s where my grandmum was born.
10:52:09 From Randy Seaver : Nick Barratt?
10:52:46 From Randy Seaver : of WDYTYA UK
10:53:27 From Hilary Gadsby to All panelists : Nick is good presenter did WDYTYA when it started in UK
10:53:39 From Michelle Minner : I spent my working life teaching computer systems…and the more of the senses you can engage in teaching, the better the students will retain the knowledge…I like using as many as possible.
10:55:32 From Randy Seaver : it’s probably behind his wookie
10:56:48 From Randy Seaver : Janet writes funny stuff…I enjoy her blog posts
11:01:29 From Randy Seaver : I wonder how many links in the book are still active?

Nathan Goodwin website

11:02:08 From Cousin Russ :
11:02:57 From Graham Walter : I’ll be there at THE Genealogy Show
11:03:34 From Valerie Lisk : I need Nathan’s books in audio form so I can listen while I do research etc.
11:04:26 From Valerie Lisk : Sorry, audio.
11:04:55 From Hilary Gadsby : Many of Nathan’s books are available as audio books
11:06:40 From Valerie Lisk : Hilary, good to know. I have not been able to find them I have to look again. Thanks!
11:08:02 From Graham Walter : FGS Program Overview…
11:09:38 From Randy Seaver : we are going to Jamboree in Burbank on May 30-June 2 – 50th anniversary!
11:10:08 From Cathy Naborowski to All panelists : We couldn’t do local/state conferences without volunteers!!!!
11:10:45 From Devon Lee : Can’t wait to go to Jamboree!!!!
11:10:52 From Robbin Smith : I wish I could go!
11:11:10 From Jenny Hawran : Jamboree is incredible. One of the best “small” conferences around
11:11:12 From Graham Walter : Nathan’s books on …
11:11:42 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists :
11:11:49 From Valerie Lisk : Thanks Graham!
11:11:54 From Devon Lee : I’ll take advantage of that shuttle. Thanks for the tip Randy. We walked there last year
11:13:57 From Devon Lee : Aww. Thanks Pat.
11:14:01 From Randy Seaver : Just call the hotel for a pickup at the airport or train stop
11:14:09 From Cousin Russ :
11:15:14 From Devon Lee : Mason, Ohio, here we come Russ. Can’t wait to see ya.
11:15:36 From Pamela Wells : Russ, where in Ohio, please?
11:15:49 From Cousin Russ :
11:16:10 From Pamela Wells : Just saw the answer, Russ….I’m from Dayton, Ohio originally
11:16:13 From Randy Seaver : Pamela, Mason, Ohio
11:16:20 From Graham Walter : Mason OH – near Cincinnati
11:16:30 From Pamela Wells : Thank you, Randy!
11:17:54 From Cousin Russ : Tree to Tree Hinting at FindMyPast
11:17:58 From Pamela Wells : Thank you, Graham!
11:18:26 From Randy Seaver : Findmypast has taken away the link they had to the collaborative tree, which was the FamilySearch Family Tree. It was searchable but not able to add to it.


11:20:35 From Pamela Wells : Does anyone know if there is there a good WikiTree You Tube tutorial available? I would like to learn more about it?
11:21:07 From Randy Seaver : Pamela, WikiTree has many YouTube videos – check their page
11:21:52 From Cousin Russ :
11:22:01 From Pamela Wells : Thank you, Randy and Russ!
11:22:21 From Cousin Russ : WikiTree YouTube
11:22:41 From Pamela Wells : Thank you very much Myrtle!
11:22:54 From Pamela Wells : Thank you Hilary!

11:23:36 From Cousin Russ : Gary G the “History Hunter” in Forum? See “Why do Ancestry citations contain the website and original information as a single layer?
11:26:11 From Randy Seaver : scroll down a bit for EE answer
11:27:40 From Randy Seaver : is the first type, and FamilySearch does both types – one for indexed records, the other for digital microfilm without indexed images
11:31:37 From Randy Seaver : A lot of Ancestry databases have waypoints in the string at the top of the image – I usually cite that in the Source Detail of the citation.
11:32:38 From Randy Seaver : .
11:33:52 From Devon Lee : I really love those waypoints
11:35:31 From Randy Seaver : I know I have WorldvitalRecords, Mocavo, MooseRoots and several more removed sites in my source citations.
11:35:34 From Randy Seaver : .
11:36:08 From Marcia Philbrick : When you document sites as cousin Russ suggested, one should be able to find it on the Wayback machine.
11:36:11 From Randy Seaver : The only solution is to download the record image and the citation and add it o your tree.
11:36:22 From Randy Seaver : .
11:36:58 From Randy Seaver : I’m not sure that the Wayback Machine has every dynamic web page with the images or record summary. I doubt that they do.
11:38:35 From Hilary Gadsby : We need to include enough detail so that it can be found even if the website changes the original record is the important part
11:38:44 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : The Way Back Machine
11:39:08 From garygauthier : The National Archives also has an archive of its web pages e.g. 1837Online
11:39:22 From Cousin Russ : The Way Back Machine
11:40:21 From Graham Walter : Have a good trip Russ
11:40:33 From Cecelia DeBolt : Thank you! Great session!
11:40:47 From Pamela Wells : Thank you all for your expertise in so many areas Panel!
11:40:57 From Doris Haskell : Thank you, everyone. Have a great trip, Russ.
11:41:08 From Pamela Wells : Safe travels, Russ!
11:41:10 From Graham Walter : Have a great everyone

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ARCHIVED: Mondays with Myrt – 11 Feb 2019


Cheryl and Myrt mention AncestryDNA pages return 404 error messages. We discuss chromosome browser alternatives. Also making the list is a discussion at 1:31:25 where Randy Seaver and his correspondent have figured that Ancestry has gone from adding over 300 new databases added a few years ago to under 100 most recently – owing to Ancestry’s change in emphasis from record digitization/indexing to DNA tech support.



09:41:59 From Hilary Gadsby to All panelists : Have a few things to mention today.
10:00:17 From Graham Walter : Hello everyone from London

One Pot Meals
10:00:57 From Cousin Russ : ONE POT MEALS FOR BUSY GENEALOGISTS (Facebook Group)
10:01:37 From Janine Edmée Hakim : Good morning all….BTWay the Pampered Chef’s “page is GREAT
10:01:59 From Robbin Smith : Hello from Miami
10:02:09 From John Laws : Gotta say Hi from Bonnie Scotland
10:02:48 From Nancy Myers : Hi everyone – from rainy Germany
10:03:19 From Gary Gauthier : Hello from Oh so cold Calgary, Alberta, Canada!
10:04:25 From Betty-Lu Burton : Hello from drowning Arkansas. I had some problems with Zoom earlier so I may be registered twice

10:05:25 From Cheri Hudson Passey : I have been having trouble with Ancestry DNA the last couple of weeks. Getting error messages or things are not coming up correctly. No tree links, no circles etc. 

10:06:34 From Doris Haskell : When I get that screen on AncestryDNA, sometimes it helps to click on the Refresh button.

10:06:39 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : Good Morning, working off generator, no power. Trees, poles and lines down for a couple of days now. Snow and ice.
10:08:00 From Betty-Lu Burton : Sheryl glad you have a generator. I hope you get your normal power back quickly

10:08:29 From Cousin Russ : GEDMATCH
10:08:44 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : Thank you Betty, me too! Goods neighbors though, we all chip in and help each other.
10:08:55 From Cousin Russ : DNA Painter
10:09:06 From Graham Walter : and Jonny Perl (DNA Painter) will be at RootsTech SLC 2019
10:09:25 From Jim Everhart to All panelists : Where can I enter a recipe?
10:09:25 From Randy Seaver : I’ve found that the AutoCluster feature on Genetic Affairs is helpful – it groups your AncestryDNA matches by Shared Matches. If you know your common ancestor for one person in the cluster, the others in the cluster have a common ancestor with you and your known cousin further back in time.
10:09:29 From DearMYRTLE . : Cannot wait to see Jonny Perl!
10:10:06 From Randy Seaver : You have to know common ancestors with your matches to really fill in DNA Painter.
10:10:46 From Valerie Lisk : DNA Painter is great for ancestry matches because you don’t get a chromosome browser. I was able to determine that a match who was listed as a 2nd cousin on ancestry is actually doubly related from two line that were not supposed to have crossed
10:11:28 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : Ancestry DNA
10:11:52 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : Living DNA
10:12:04 From Marcia Philbrick to All panelists : Cousin Russ — Do you drill down to county when looking at the DNA maps — or just to region?
10:12:34 From Valerie Lisk : Randy, do you need to have a minimum number of matches to get a cluster? I have 4 known cousins on ancestry and we don ‘t form a cluster.
10:13:06 From Robbin Smith : on MyHeritage I found my cousins related to my Swiss Great Grandfather confirming my hypothesis about where he lived.
10:13:30 From Betty-Lu Burton : I have both recent (mid 1800’s) and colonial ancestors.
10:13:47 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : 23& Me DNA
10:14:10 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : FTDNA
10:14:26 From Randy Seaver : Valerie, are your four cousins in the same grandparent line? I have a cluster with 37 members, down to clusters with 2 persons in them.
10:14:56 From Randy Seaver : I have 52 clusters with AncestryDNA with limits of 25 to 900 cM.
10:15:07 From Betty-Lu Burton : I uploaded my Ancestry DNA to MyHeritage. Would there be any advantage to take a MyHeritage DNA also? [Note: No.] I have Northern Italian that may have come back as Jewish DNA
10:16:05 From Randy Seaver : Betty-Lu, I don’t think so. MyHeritage finds matches with your uploaded raw data. I haven’t taken a MH DNA test but have uploaded 3 sets of raw data. Lots of matches.
10:16:05 From Valerie Lisk : Randy yes we are from the same grandparents. We share 3 siblings.
10:17:00 From Randy Seaver : The benefit of MyHeritageDNA is the chromosome browser and triangulation tools – I was permitted to put my cousin’s DNA on MH and now know which chromosomes are our Richmond/Rich line.
10:19:33 From Randy Seaver : Valerie, I’ve had a similar experience with close relations, but I don’t have any sibling matches. They seem to recommend an upper limit of 300 cM.
10:20:47 From Randy Seaver : I really need to do the SAR and Mayflower descendants. Just haven’t done it.
10:20:53 From Doris Haskell : I was told I would have my DAR membership number on Feb. 5th. Not yet.
10:21:05 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : SAR – Sons of the American Revolution Eligibility
10:21:24 From Valerie Lisk : Thanks Randy.
10:22:04 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : Daughters of the American Revolution
10:22:06 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : Yes. Same here. My mother, her sister and their mother were all members. Piece of cake? Pretty crummy.
10:22:37 From Rachel Evans : My son isn’t interested in genealogy but loves to hear stories about the ancestors that served. I’m hoping that’s a way of hooking him in.
10:23:06 From Doris Haskell  : Rachel, the stories are vital.
10:24:55 From Michelle Minner : My Revolutionary Ancestor was moved to Mt. Vernon by Washington himself, in order to build arms and ammunition. Nobody in my immediate family knew about it. Those SAR and DAR approvals have lots of information that help with your search, even if you aren’t applying for membership.
10:25:30 From Betty-Lu Burton : Ok then Quakers can then be on the list of eligible people? One of my lines were Quakers and I had figured since they opposed war that I would not be able to go through any of them for DAR
10:25:50 From Daniel Horowitz to All panelists : Hi guys, Daniel Horowitz logging in 😉
10:26:23 From DearMYRTLE . : Hiya Daniel. We just spotlighted MyHeritage DNA.
10:26:42 From Graham Walter to All panelists : Hi Daniel
10:27:18 From Doris Haskell : Betty-Lu, Quakers might qualify if they were instrumental in the formation of the new government.. They didn’t have to serve in battle.
10:29:42 From Betty-Lu Burton : Thank you Doris
10:30:19 From Marian Koalski : I think that even paying local taxes is considered a qualifying act of patriotism by the DAR.
10:30:41 From Rachel Evans : One of my ancestors nursed her brother for 40 days before he died from wounds along with 2 sisters. Their father asked for reimbursement for them and supplies used in his care. I’m planning on joining on another line but want to add her as a supplemental
10:31:45 From Marian Koalski : Good idea, Rachel! We need to have more women patriots documented and on the “rolls” of the DAR.
10:33:05 From Randy Seaver : Dave, how do you document the names, events, dates, places, relationships, etc.?

10:37:51 From Daniel Horowitz :
10:38:26 From Betty-Lu Burton : My Quaker ancestor is in the DAR database
10:41:09 From Marian Koalski : Excellent, Betty! Do you see any known relatives among the descendants?
10:41:44 From Cousin Russ : MyHeritage LIVE 2019, September 6-8, 2019 in Amsterdam, Netherlands!
10:42:37 From Cousin Russ :
10:43:24 From Betty-Lu Burton : I just put the known last name and the father of the man, Delaplain Ridgeway, I have been working on came up and someone has gone apparently has gone through Delaplain because his name comes up as an eligible child
10:45:57 From Graham Walter : You’ve got to get there Myrt!!
10:46:01 From Michelle Minner : I have a folding wheelchair, and used it a LOT when I traveled (even on cruise ships, and airplanes, etc.) they are GREAT for mobility.
10:47:31 From Graham Walter : Bye Daniel
10:47:32 From Betty-Lu Burton : It is neat to hear able genealogy activities in Europe
10:51:56 From Hilary Gadsby : I have had to sort out a few tangles on Family Search someone disconnected my grandmother from her family
10:53:07 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : Yes, Randy!
10:53:30 From Hilary Gadsby : I am cross matching with WikiTree so that I can keep things straight.
10:55:53 From Rachel Evans : I have had the same issues with FamilySearch. I ended up adding a discussion item to the person’s profile with my argument.
10:56:07 From Marcia Philbrick to All panelists : I like the ability to ‘collaborate’ or ‘discuss’ on the Family Search tree.
10:56:23 From Randy Seaver : I still think FamilySearch Family Tree is a fantastic resource – it should last a long time, has all of the features needed, and has more profiles than any other collaborative tree.
10:58:52 From Valerie Lisk : I have met many cousins through familysearch.
10:58:54 From Marian Koalski : I sometimes think that most? People don’t notice the Discussions section on FamilySearch. Would the Life Sketch be a better place to explain that Uncle Jack is not dead?
10:59:51 From Randy Seaver : Some contributors to FSFT have added a message at the top of the Life Sketch to call attention to conflict issues.
10:59:54 From Betty-Lu Burton : My Ridgeway DAR is through my great grandmother’s sister
10:59:54 From Dave Robison to All panelists : Thanks for bringing in the SAR/DAR discussion… See you next week!
11:00:15 From Jim Everhart to All panelists : another question
11:01:52 From Kathleen Daetsch : Although they can’t change your tree on Ancestry I get hints that are coming from some of my dna matches adding people to there trees without any sources and no proof
11:03:02 From Marcia Philbrick to All panelists : An advantage of FS tree is the ability to attach the images from the county records in their collection.
11:05:19 From Valerie Lisk : Is there an advantage to having a tree on both familysearch and WikiTree? What is the advantage of WikiTree?
11:05:55 From Linda Jordan to All panelists : Will the link only work if you are already on Wikitree? By on — I mean a member.
11:07:33 From Betty-Lu Burton : I consider WikiTree more stable than familysearch because those working on WikiTree tend to use sources more.
11:08:05 From Valerie Lisk : Thanks Betty-Lu.
11:08:30 From Brenda J. Williams to All panelists : So I take it that none of the members in the screen shot are living, correct, for privacy issues? [NOTE: William Gist Froman is one of DearMYRTLE’s Unions Civil War soldiers.]
11:08:37 From JoAnn Lawrencw : Thanks for the tip about DAR. I just found by 5th great-grandfather on the list. Joseph Gaunt married to Elizabeth Borton. I’ve been looking for this info. Thanks again
11:09:18 From Randy Seaver : advantage of WikiTree is that there are different researchers than on FamilySearch. You never know where you will find a breakthrough.
11:09:46 From Randy Seaver : disadvantage is WikiTree has “only” 20-some million profiles, and FS Family Tree has over 900 million.
11:09:55 From Randy Seaver : both are FREE!
11:10:16 From Sharon Morrissey : On Wikitree .. do you have to input the information by hand or cn you upload?
11:10:19 From Valerie Lisk : Thanks Hilary and Randy!
11:11:03 From Randy Seaver : on WikiTree you can upload a limited GEDCOM file, but then have to discern if your entries match an existing profile. You do this before the GEDCOM profiles are uploaded.
11:11:21 From Valerie Lisk : How do you copy your familysearch tree to WikiTree?
11:11:25 From Robbin Smith : can you add family via gedcom to wikitree?
11:12:20 From Randy Seaver : you cannot copy your FSFT profiles directly. You could download them to a family tree program like RootsMagic, create a GEDCOM, and upload it to WikiTree.
11:12:44 From Randy Seaver : WikiTree has a Help section that tells you the GEDCOM upload process.
11:13:03 From Valerie Lisk : Thanks Randy!
11:13:42 From Robbin Smith : TY i found the upload
11:20:03 From Graham Walter : WikiTree has a comment in their forum answering the question if integration with Rootsmagic – (
11:20:50 From Kathleen Daetsch : I have seen a whole line of my gg grandmother’s line that has no sources at all on WikiTree
11:22:03 From Cousin Russ : Graham Walters’s most excellent #RootsTech suggestion
11:22:06 From Michelle Minner : I use Avery Business cards, and print them myself! LOL…I have always liked doing them myself.
11:23:47 From Cousin Russ : For inexpensive, high quality business cards both Myrt and Graham use
11:23:55 From Cousin Russ : To create a word cloud as Graham and DearMYRTLE shared during this webinar, try
11:24:19 From Kathleen Daetsch : I like what Myrt said before that the guy she contacted said “I know your one of those people who use source” It seems like the new breed of researches have no use for them.
11:28:48 From Doris Haskell : I can see how that might affect my tree too. I have three people named Russell Simonson Davison. And three people named William Gleason Buckley.
11:29:35 From Gary Gauthier : Graham: A side-note for you. If people are asking about the Mac version of MetaProxy, please tell them I’m doing my best to implement similar features as Tony Proctor has done in the Windows version. I will let people know as soon as I’ve something I can send out.
11:30:21 From Graham Walter : Gary: will do
11:30:55 From Doris Haskell : Michelle Simmons Lewis is a valuable resource for help with Legacy Family Tree see: Legacy 9 Family Tree Software – Users Group (unofficial)

11:31:42 From Cousin Russ : Randy Seaver’s “A Reader’s Take on Problems – Part III – Reduced Number of New Record Collections”
11:35:16 From Robbin Smith : BTW I found a pair of indices for 1850 for towns of Castleton and Northfield were incorrect as of last week
11:37:57 From Cousin Russ : ONE POT MEALS FOR BUSY GENEALOGISTS (Facebook Group)
11:39:13 From Cheri Hudson Passey to All panelists : Congratulations Laurie!!
11:40:15 From June Butka : I will participate with a recipe with my Sweet and sour meatballs. [NOTE: Thank-you, June!]
11:40:44 From Brenda J. Williams to All panelists : Randy, what was the total amount of DNA customers with the 10 percent interested in doing genealogy?
11:41:17 From Graham Walter : Have a great day everyone
11:41:21 From Rachel Evans : Have a great day everyone!
11:41:39 From Brenda J. Williams to All panelists : Randy, what was the total amount of DNA customers with the 10 percent interested in doing genealogy?
11:42:05 From susan bleimehl : Really nice event today. Thanks.
11:42:14 From Randy Seaver : Brenda, 15 million DNA testers probably 1.5 million are genealogists with a tree over 100 profiles. Just an estimate.
11:42:24 From Brenda J. Williams to All panelists : A genealogy society I belong to is trying to figure out how to connect to those very people.
11:42:39 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : Yippee! Electrical company is finally here to install a new pole and get up back up and running.
11:42:42 From Pam Helm : Thank you for adding me
11:43:24 From Gary Gauthier to All panelists : Thanks, Myrtle. Do you want new recipes contributions?
11:43:39 From Doris Haskell : I’m not sure if I’m in this group already.
11:43:47 From Randy Seaver : Brenda, you can search on Ancestry Member Connect for subscribers in a community. Target them with an Ancestry message asking them to email back to you.
11:44:23 From Brenda J. Williams to All panelists : Thanks Randy!
11:44:33 From Gary Gauthier to All panelists : Got it. I cook from scratch, since I’m allergic to soy and MSG
11:44:33 From Jim Everhart to All panelists : I clicked join but no reply
11:44:38 From Rachel Evans : I will have to join and go through my recipes.
11:44:40 From Randy Seaver : If your society is brave enough, offer your society to help make a family tree with them.
11:44:54 From Valerie Lisk : You can buy riced cauliflower in the freezer section.
11:47:42 From Randy Seaver : Brenda, Ancestry’s “Search > Member Directory” doesn’t let me find members in a place any more. Only ancestral names in a place. Sorry for the bad lead.
11:49:29 From Randy Seaver : -35 C is about the same as -35 F
11:49:44 From Randy Seaver : the crossover is at -40 C = -40 F
11:49:56 From Brenda J. Williams to All panelists : I think it will be a challenge to connect people who have taken the DNA test to actually doing genealogical research. But I think that most societies will need to do this – to help get younger members as our members age.
11:51:50 From Randy Seaver : A message on Facebook on a community page might put out the word about DNA tests, family trees and genealogy societies.
11:52:46 From Brenda J. Williams to All panelists : I like that suggestion> Something all the lines of “Do something more with your DNA results”
11:53:13 From Randy Seaver : exactly! Use an example of connecting to a DNA match.
11:54:05 From Kathleen Daetsch : Goodbye

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ARCHIVED: Mondays with Myrt 19 Nov 2018


Biggest breakthroughs today? Persistent problems with AMTs and everyone teaches Ol’ Myrt here a thing or two about switching from .pdf to .png.

  • Problems with the newly indexed Ancestry Member Trees. This is particularly vexing. MyHeritage manages to index trees daily. Why does it take months for Ancestry to accomplish this? And why does Ancestry only point to trees that have an image attached? This problem has gone on for over two years. We’re not evening mentioning the problems with links to indexed images returning a 404 error at least 50% of the time, regardless of end user operating system or web browser.
  • DAR & SAR – honoring Revolutionary War ancestors.
  • – overcoming the “save as a .pdf” by choosing “print” then changing from your printer to your photo editing software of choice.
  • Grandparent books
  • Genealogy Do-Over
  • 1939 Register (England & Wales) and why lines are redacted.
  • RootsTech 2019 (SLC), RootsTech 2019 (London) and #notatRootsTech





09:54:25 From Dave Robison to All panelists : Genealogy Bargains
09:54:40 From Pat Kuhn :
10:00:40 From Hilary Gadsby : I have also been watching the videos today as I want to use the source writer in Legacy 9
10:01:04 From Deb Andrew : Good morning.
10:02:02 From Lisa Gorrell : Good morning from smoky No. California. Working hard fighting a cold.
10:02:20 From grahamwalter : Hello everyone from London(ish)
10:02:44 From grahamwalter : cool
10:03:24 From Barbara Gressel : Good morning from Springfield, MO
10:03:58 From Pamela Wells to All panelists : Good morning from St Pete, FL
10:04:24 From Betty-Lu Burton : Hello from Arkansas
10:04:52 From Robbin Smith : Hello from Miami
10:08:26 From Deb Andrew to All panelists : Old Alabama Family Photos Facebook group
10:09:57 From Susan Ennis : Glad to be here with everyone!
10:17:20 From Marian Koalski : A penmanship award for SPEED! And that’s a pretty fabulous speed — faster than any typist I’ve heard of.
10:17:57 From Yvonne Demoskoff : That’s such a great idea for a grandparents book, Myrt!
10:18:08 From Cousin Russ : Blog post about an article from USCGC Halfmoon (WHEC-378) and the Lobster Wars
10:18:50 From Randy Seaver : That’s 4 words a second. How in the world? A Shorthand system? Readable?
10:20:17 From Randy Seaver : I’m lucky to write two letters a second, or type 4 letters a second.
10:20:21 From Marian Koalski : Some of my high school classmates took a Speed Writing class, which was a mixture of shorthand and abbreviations, I understand.
10:22:38 From Randy Seaver : Newspaper research is often the key to a breakthrough for family members. It’s why I do my weekly “Seavers in the News” posts on Thursdays.
10:23:16 From Mary Lou Gravatt : I found an article that my father-in-law found a ring when he was 12 years old and returned to the owners and received an award.
10:23:28 From Bill West : Good afternoon from overcast Massachusetts
10:23:38 From Lisa Gorrell : I love searching in newspapers. I wrote a blog post this past weekend about my great uncle, who I couldn’t find until I used his nickname “Toofer.”
10:23:41 From Deb Andrew : If you know the name of the newspapers for the area, you can choose those newspapers to search first.
10:24:45 From Deb Andrew : Yes
10:24:59 From Robbin Smith : many times i have seen the xx years ago
10:25:29 From Marian Koalski : Yes! A 1966 “looking backward” item about a great-uncle’s funeral in 1936 in another state was VERY helpful.
10:27:56 From Mary Lou Gravatt : Another article was about an accident that my grandfather had with his farm wagon and a bus in 1919. He was seriously injured my mom and aunt mentioned the accident they were not born yet. His injuries included broken leg and a fractured skull. I doubt that Mom and her sister knew the extent of his injuries.
10:29:22 From Lisa Gorrell : The problem with this, if the article is long, the print is really small.
10:29:46 From Deb Andrew : 19th November my anniversary. [HAPPY ANNIVERSARY DEB!]
10:29:57 From Deb Andrew : You can save it as a jpg.
10:30:27 From Randy Seaver : I use the Windows Snipping Tool to turn the PDF into a JPG so I can put it in a blog post.
10:31:17 From Randy Seaver : Lisa, sometimes I make 2 or 3 separate images so that the print is readable.
10:32:45 From Betty-Lu Burton : Hi Graham. I can see you
10:33:17 From Deb Andrew : If someone clicks on the source citation, it will take them to the article.
10:33:35 From Susan Ennis : I found out about my 2x great grandfather’s two patents (circa 1878) from newspaper articles!
10:33:40 From Graham Walter : Thanks Betty
10:34:47 From Marcia Philbrick : Shirley Player – fact question — Was this a miscellaneous fact in Roots Magic? [ No, Marcia, this was merely a search for the surname “Player” at]
10:35:10 From Betty-Lu Burton : We need to remember that in newspapers our ancestors names can be found many ways: nicknames, initials, child of, (or any relative of).
10:35:45 From Marian Koalski : And misspelled names, speaking from personal experience.
10:36:11 From Mary Lou Gravatt : I save as JPG to Ancestry then copy that as JPG to my computer. Also save as PDF to the computer.
10:37:52 From Betsey Cotter : Hit destination then select pdf
10:38:12 From Marcia Philbrick : If you use print/save and do a selection, it then gives you a choice of jpeg or pdf
10:38:59 From Marcia Philbrick : I have the option under Chrome
10:39:21 From Susan Ennis : Using Print/Save gives the options to SAVE as jpeg or pdf as contrasted to using the Clip feature. Works for me in these browsers: Firefox, Safari, and Chrome in my experience.
10:40:59 From Randy Seaver : Marcia’s tip is correct – Print/Save gets you to a “Save as JPG”
10:41:12 From Lisa Gorrell : I use Chrome. When I use Print/Save, I choose whole page, then I have two choices save as JPG and save as PDF. I save as PDF for whole page and then save as JPG for clipping.
10:41:25 From Marcia Philbrick : I’m using Chrome
10:41:54 From Marcia Philbrick : Is there a way to save Ancestry media as JPEG without having to save to the person first? [Yes, merely click Share>Print.]
10:44:12 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : welcome back Graham.
10:44:55 From Kathleen Daetsch : Since my family is from New York I use Fulton Press. I have found a great deal of information the Obituaries are a valuable resource in connecting family members.

10:45 :34 From Randy Seaver : Ancestry searches, specifically Ancestry Member Trees. See my blog post from last week is

My opinion is that should index every person in every tree whether they have “Ancestry Sources” or not,  so that their customers can find information about their ancestors that other researchers have found.  Yes, I understand it’s a big computer challenge – but they’re a big company with many servers, and charge customers money to search all of their databases.  This is more BAD NEWS!

10:47:03 From Marcia Philbrick : My ‘test’ search used to produce 24 trees. Now, with the same search, I’m only getting about 3 trees. Those three trees change depending on how I structure the search.
10:47:18 From Marian Koalski : This failure in searching Ancestry Member Trees must cost DNA testers a LOT of useful contacts!
10:47:43 From Bill West : I agree, Randy!
10:48:01 From Marcia Philbrick : Yes, Marian! I do believe it is affecting DNA screens — shared ancestor hints and circles.
10:48:53 From Maria Tegtmeier : I conquer with Randy’s French
10:49:13 From Marcia Philbrick : My mom’s DNA test has more shaky leaf hints than I do. (about twice as many)
10:51:48 From Marian Koalski : A lot of tree contributors don’t do DNA testing. Won’t those be missed in Circles, etc., if the Member Tree doesn’t have an Ancestry source.
10:53:11 From Marcia Philbrick : There is a lot of collaboration opportunities that are lost when individuals or trees aren’t included in the indexing
10:53:53 From Bill West : IMHO, they are so focused on he DNA tests they are neglecting the family tree website
10:54:26 From Graham Walter : Good point Bill – certainly seems that way
10:54:39 From Marian Koalski : I’m about to non-renew my Ancestry subscription. Maybe I’ll mention the failing tree searches and the lack of new collections as reasons.
10:56:39 From Doris Haskell : JPEG
10:56:54 From Pamela Wells : jpeg
10:56:57 From Kathleen Daetsch : jpeg
10:57:43 From Cheryl : What is a PNG? How is it different from a TIFF? [ Ol’ Myrt Googled your question and found a multitude of great responses.]10:58:42 From Pamela Wells to All panelists : PNG format is a lossless compression file format, which makes it a common choice for use on the Web. PNG is a good choice for storing line drawings, text, and iconic graphics at a small file size. JPG format is a lossy compressed file format. This makes it useful for storing photographs at a smaller size than a BMP.
10:58:54 From Lisa Gorrell : I like that the date and page comes up first when saving. That’s how I start all of my images, then the name of the newspaper, and then the person of interest.
10:59:10 From Graham Walter : PNG – interpretation –,id=whypng
10:59:16 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : I always put them in a folder called ged docs and then I will put them in the proper folder later most of the time they never get out of the ged docs folder LOL
10:59:19 From bjanvier to All panelists : Is Snag It a free proram? Different than the clipping tool with MS Windows 10, right?
10:59:21 From Joanne Parkes : When I clip a newspaper article, I simultaneously transcribe the article and then save the clipping as source in RootsMagic using a copy the source title & the name of the person & save in their folder
10:59:53 From Joanne Parkes : Save as jpeg.
11:01:05 From Joanne Parkes : Use Macintosh Powerbook & the new version of IOW has a built in clipper called Screenshot
11:01:24 From Cousin Russ :DearMYRTLE uses Snagit from
11:01:40 From Dave Robison to All panelists : Docent duty calls! I’ll see you next week.
11:01:51 From Marian Koalski : Macs also have a clipper called Grab among the standard applications that come with it.

11:03:20 From Cousin Russ : Sons of the American Revolution

11:04:09 From Cousin Russ : Daughters of the American Revolution
11:04:54 From DearMYRTLE . : Thank-you, Marian. 🙂
11:07:12 From Marian Koalski : Good work, Dave! Revitalizing your SAR chapter as well as your local gen Soc.
11:08:36 From Marian Koalski : DAR for me
11:08:37 From Robbin Smith : my people haven’t been here long enough
11:08:55 From bjanvier : I would like to contact Dave Robinson. Does he have a blog or email I could use? [NOTE: You’ll find Dave Robison on Facebook here: ]
11:08:56 From Randy Seaver : I’ve lost my round tuit button for SAR and GSMD. I want to do those, but haven’t done it.
11:09:01 From Mary Buchholz t : I belong to DAR – with 2 Patriots and help in the application process for others.
11:09:05 From Sue Tolbert  : Yes DAR. Serving as Chapter Registrar is a great learning experience.
11:09:08 From Marcia Philbrick : My great-grandmother was in DAR. I joined on her application — but her patriot is in question. I had to go back a generation to join on his father.
11:09:18 From DearMYRTLE . : RootsTech 2019 SLC
11:09:20 From Crystal Toenjes : I’m turning in my DAR paperwork after Thanksgiving…FINALLY! Also working on my paperwork for ADEAW. (Associated Daughters of Early American Witches.)
11:09:54 From Marian Koalski : Sometimes you’ll find lineage societies for families who came later than the Revolution, like Pioneers of Franklin County, Iowa (made-up name).
11:11:49 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : Yes I am!!
11:12:04 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : And I am registered and have my room reserved.
11:12:59 From Doris Haskell : I don’t ever want to stop being a Temple and Family History Consultant.
11:13:54 From Marcia Philbrick : #notatRootsTech is GREAT!
11:14:52 From Betty-Lu Burton : Hillary it sounds like you will be busy next year
11:15:04 From Graham Walter :
11:17:27 From Marian Koalski : More real wool!
11:19:11 From Marian Koalski : Hallelujah, John Laws! That is civilization!
11:20:29 From Randy Seaver : It’s always a challenge for this California kid. Snow is great, but ice is treacherous. It rained one year and had to walk from Marriott to Radisson pushing Linda’s wheelchair into the 40 mph wind and driving rain. Plus, going north is slightly uphill. Whew, tiring pushing the chair.

Legacy 9 Census

11:20:39 From DearMYRTLE . : Legacy Family Tree (software)
11:20:48 From Hilary Gadsby to Betty-Lu Burton and all panelists : I certainly will but I should be retiring the following year so work will not be getting in the way
11:21:29 From Deb Andrew to All panelists : I think it is under the timeline, special properties.
11:21:34 From Marian Koalski : Yes, Geoff Rasmussen’s teaching style is better than so many I’ve seen. He paces it so you can see where he’s clicking before he moves on, and he explains why he chooses one option over another.
11:21:44 From Betty-Lu Burton : Send Geoff a e-mail asking for a short webinar on the subject
11:22:34 From Deb Andrew to All panelists : The have the training videos you can buy.
11:22:37 From Hilary Gadsby : I have been watching the webinars today
11:22:53 From Bill West : I use the On This Date and Calendar functions in RM to post a daily family history post on FB
11:23:02 From Hilary Gadsby : for Legacy 9
11:23:10 From Deb Andrew to All panelists : You can always asked me.
11:23:25 From Jim Everhart : there is a step by step Legacy 9 series , 7 parts done already with 2 more to go

11:23:56 From Deb Andrew : I did that one, it was fun!

11:24:21 From Cousin Russ : University of Strathclyde
11:25:17 From Hilary Gadsby : I have done the 6 week course and may do the post grad course when I retire. I know someone who is doing the postgrad course

11:26:37 From Cousin Russ : Genealogy Do-Over Book
11:27:59 From Hilary Gadsby : I am trying to improve what I uploaded to WikiTree 7 years ago but am easily sidetracked
11:28:01 From Randy Seaver : Surreptitious Name changes explain a lot too.
11:28:44 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : I call them drop ins, they just fell from the sky.
11:29:03 From Randy Seaver : Interesting article today on Legacy Tree Genealogists blog about name changes
11:29:26 From Cousin Russ : Genealogy Do-Over Book 
11:29:40 From Cousin Russ : Old Alabama Family Photos Facebook group

11:34:24 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : I have a Ulster County New York Group, I have a great deal of my relations up there.
11:35:16 From Hilary Gadsby : Local groups are great place to find old photographs I belong to at least 1 for my home city.
11:37:07 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : yes
11:37:22 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : that is the group
11:38:09 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : I also have two family groups on facebook
11:39:08 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : one is my Family in Ireland and England my grandmothers family
11:39:24 From Cousin Russ : If you are have genealogy methodogy, technology or research questions, be sure to consult Katherine R. Willson’s Genealogy on Facebook listing of over 12,300+ groups and pages:
11:39:50 From Doris Haskell : Thanks, everyone, for yet another Magnificent Mondays with Myrt
11:41:40 From DearMYRTLE : This is the link to Cousin Russ’ ingenious “The Organized Genealogist File Listing Directory”
11:41:52 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : Is Lawlor the same name
11:45:56 From Graham Walter : Leila Davis born 1907
11:47:06 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : I do that too
11:55:13 From Gordon Erickson to All panelists : Regarding the “cat” I didn’t say yes, I was outvoted. 🙂

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Mondays with Myrt – 6 Aug 2018


Another Mondays with Myrt session with hearty interaction among opinionated panelists and attendees. Thanks to Cousin Russ for bringing in the comments! We discussed:

  • FamilySearch Indexing (We will host a special WACKY Wednesday this week demonstrating this invaluable volunteer program.)
  • State & territorial census records
  • Current DAR proof requirements as Ol’ Myrt is preparing her lineage application
  • Fudge family photos found at a car boot sale in England & what to do with your old photos after you have passed away
  • Randy Seaver’s research with Henry White deeds in Killingly CT, Connecticut records
  • The Barbour Collection of Connecticut Town Vital Records
  • An open letter to an archivist
  • Worthwhile archival supplies
  • eBay – would an antique postcard illustrate your family history? Also, how to set up your watch list.
  • Feedly – cloud resource for following blogs and podcasts
  • DearMYRTLE’s most recent letter to her grandkids




10:00:31 From Deb Andrew : Good day!
10:01:26 From Jenny Hawran  : I’m on vacation this week and get to do work on genealogy all week…hurray 🙂
10:01:59 From Jacqueline Wilson : Good morning from a rainy Chicago!


DearMYRTLE and Cousin Russ recognize the United Nations’ International Decade for People of African Descent 2015-2024. We reach out to _all_ regardless of race, color, creed, sexual orientation or national origin with support for researching family and documenting cultural inheritance.

10:04:43 From Danine Cozzens : Canada Gen was very helpful. Good background. See: ARCHIVED: CanadaGen Study Group 1

CanadaGEN Study Group

10:05:40 From Michelle Minner : My Canadian Ancestors lived in same place and the borders changed !!! they became US citizens without moving!
10:06:53 From Hilary Gadsby : This was what started a conversation.
10:08:22 From Jacqueline Wilson : I attended the FHF’s DNA e-conference this past Saturday! Great stuff!
10:09:05 From Cousin Russ :
10:09:07 From Jacqueline Wilson : Not recently
10:09:09 From Hilary Gadsby : I got some hints from Family Search yesterday
10:09:30 From Hilary Gadsby : Not had time for indexing recently
10:09:45 From Sharon Lighthouse : I index for the DAR when I have time.
10:09:46 From bobbi to All panelists : the quick batches make it easy to sit down for just a minute and do a record
10:10:11 From Jacqueline Wilson : I see a project for me: Iowa death records.
10:10:35 From Benay Deckard to All panelists : I have
10:10:47 From Michelle Minner : I have had good luck with state census records…especially in Iowa
10:10:59 From Benay Deckard to All panelists : Mine have been with Kansas
10:11:05 From Deb Andrew : Yes, great when some people miss the other ones.
10:11:11 From Cathy Naborowski : I love state census records. Iowa especially!!!
10:11:24 From Jacqueline Wilson : I had help with the Iowa State Census, but I was at the Iowa Historical Center. It was on microfilm.
10:11:41 From Launa Droescher : used Iowa several years ago for Great-aunt’s family
10:11:42 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : I have used New York State Censuses some of them are on familysearch
10:11:53 From Sue Burns : I’ve hard great luck with the Wisconsin State census records.
10:12:19 From Janine Edmée Hakim : I love having access to state censuses…wish they had continued on into the present
10:12:24 From Cathy Naborowski : The 1925 Iowa census lists parents names and where they were married!! Broken a couple of brick walls.
10:12:29 From Rachel Evans : I don’t index as often as I would like on Family Search. I mostly go for New York or Italy records.
10:12:36 From Marcia Philbrick : State census fantastic – especially Kansas — be sure to check out the Ancestry record set: Kansas, City and County Census Records, 1919-1961 — every year and sometimes entire households
10:16:06 From Randy Seaver : There’s danger in only requiring Death Certs – there is no guarantee that parents named in a DC are correct.
10:18:32 From Michelle Minner : One of my biggest brick walls ever was caused by an informant putting a wrong mother name on her father’s death certificate!
10:19:37 From Cousin Russ : Jim – If you have a question, please post it here OR do you a verbal question that on this topic I an unmute you — OR do you want to join the panel ?
10:19:49 From Deb Andrew : On my grandfather’ death certificate, it has him born in Marion, Williamson county, IL, instead of Marion coutny, AL. The informant lived near Marion, IL.
10:20:26 From Rachel Evans : My great-grandmother’s death certificate has her stepfather as her father. My grandmother could not remember her biological grandfather’s name.
10:20:39 From Doris Haskell : I am frustrated with my DAR application process. They have changed the rules, and the patriots who qualified my mother, her mother and their sisters have been disqualified. I found another patriot, and he looked good. Died in the war. Now they want proof that he was actually a resident of New York.
10:21:38 From Kathleen Daetsch : My great-grandfathers death cirtificate has the wrong name for his mother.
10:21:48 From Randy Seaver : The 1921 death cert for Linda’s great-grandmother Jane (Whittle) McKnew provided the wrong parents names – said Joseph Whittle and Rachel Moore. Research finally showed the parents were Alexander Whittle and Rachel Morley. Needed England and Australian records to determine this.
10:22:06 From Danine Cozzens : Doris, I have a lot of disqualified patriots. Having pulled those apps years ago, I think the DAR is correct in suspecting them.
10:22:15 From Crystal Toenjes : Your experience with the DAR is very different from mine as far as required documentation. The good part of it for me is I now have several lines proven extremely well, although none of them well enough to meet the standards of the registrar I’ve been working with for nearly six years. So it’s been rewarding and frustrating at the same time.
10:22:47 From Doris Haskell : Crystal, I feel your pain.
10:22:52 From cyndy Bray : What happens if there is no death certificate.
10:23:08 From Randy Seaver : Jane McKnew was born in Australia and came to California in 1851 with her mother, lived in Gold country, married Elijah McKnew and moved to San Francisco in 1870s, and died there in 1921.
10:23:34 From cyndy Bray : grandfather disappeared in another country and as far as we know there is not death information
10:26:54 From Danine Cozzens : Randy, where in the Gold Country? I had family in Sonora and also Dutch Flat. Love going onsite.
10:27:42 From Cousin Russ : Fudge, Park & Ginn Family Pt 1
10:27:44 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : A car boot sale sounds interesting. Possible way to de-clutter, a little at a time.
10:28:10 From Randy Seaver : Danine – Angels Camp and Tuttletown, close to Sonora! alexander Whittle committed suicide in 1853 in Angels Camp – cause said to be alcohol and an absconding wife, according to newspaper article.
10:28:32 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : Look at all the kisses for every X on the back.
10:28:58 From Rebecca Williams : I have looked for the origional documents of a birth of a great grandmother whose microfilmed copy was altered before it was filmed. The origional has since disappeared. Her middle name was inserted sometime after the document was completed and filed.
10:30:56 From Doris Haskell  : She makes me think of the LRHG
10:32:05 From Kathleen Daetsch : I hate to think this is what will happen to my collection.
10:36:38 From Jenny Hawran : Trying to obtain my grandmother’s birth certificate or get a copy of her birth record from 1897 Bloomington, Indiana. Sent for it and received a transcription. When I called they said her record is on a page with other entries and I can’t get a copy of the page, nor can I even see it if I come in (I”m in CT) because of the privacy of others on the page. Anyone else deal with this before?
10:36:52 From Cousin Russ : RANDY SEAVER’S Transcriptions and my Amanuensis Monday series – specifically what I figured out in

After You're Gone: Futureproofing Your Genealogy Research
10:37:07 From Linda Jordan : Your will may not be read before your stuff has been thrown out.
10:38:00 From Jacqueline Wilson : After You’re Gone: Future Proofing Your Genealogy Research eBook by Thomas MacEntee: Kindle Store
10:38:44 From Rebecca Williams : I also went to a courthouse looking for the will of a second great grandfather. His will was not found. It had either been mis-filed or outright removed. I was looking for information about a child that I had thought might be his grandson. The boy was born in the same month as his daughter. On the census someone noted “twins?” The will was found microfilmed at familysearch. It confirmed he was a grandson.
10:39:30 From Doris Haskell: I love land and property records!! Have found some great treasures in them. People, not property.
10:41:46 From Danine Cozzens : Randy, those newspapers are amazing but very partisan and opinionated. They were wild and violent times. I’ll make a note of your Whittles for when I get back to my Sonora notes. He might have gotten his mail from the Sonora postoffice run by my ggf George W Patrick out of the corner store. (now a 7-11 parking lot.)
Historic MapWorks
10:43:25 From Cousin Russ : Historic Map Works
10:43:26 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : I used to take horseback riding lessons in Chestnut Hill, CT
10:47:36 From Jenny Hawran : Tolland is in the eastern part of Connecticut
10:47:45 From Jenny Hawran : I live in the Hartford area

10:47:53 From Randy Seaver : I have found that the best way to “advance the ball” in my genealogy research is to transcribe a deed or will or pension file each week and add it to my family tree database. I have 440 transcriptions now – I list them on my Amanuensis Monday Posts page at

10:48:01 From Rebecca Williams : I was unclear about the middle name added to the birth certificate after the fact: the middle name added was not her middle name. Belle was added but her middle name was Bethiah, ater her mother’s mother. Very sorry to muddle things up.

Barbour Collection
10:48:46 From DearMYRTLE to All panelists :
10:48:51 From Hilary Gadsby : The grandfather of Horace in the blog post is the brother of the person who married my cousin. There is a documented FUDGE tree on Ancestry.
10:49:04 From Cousin Russ :

10:49:58 From Cousin Russ : DearMYRTLE’s An Open Letter to an Archivist Ol’ Myrt has some questions about filing photos and unusual family papers in acid-free metal edge Hollinger boxes.
10:57:10 From Danine Cozzens : Re: archiving, a hearty second to “readily processed into regional archive collection.” I’m a genealogical “dead end kid” with no direct descendants.
11:00:29 From Danine Cozzens : Russ, that’s also my question. To break up a big collection or find out particular archives.


11:01:26 From Michelle Minner : I love having a “watch” set up…and it helps finding things you wouldn’t have time to search for.
11:02:00 From Michelle Minner : I set up watches for “county” names…I get a lot of county historical books
11:04:12 From Jacqueline Wilson : Danine, I am also a “dead end kid”. It is great to have a term of us!
11:05:12 From Michelle Minner : Jacqueline and Danine, add me to the “dead end kid” group!
11:05:14 From Danine Cozzens : We need our own support group.
11:05:22 From Randy Seaver : my grandparents collected San Diego postcards for 80 years. I remember seeing them when we had the garage sale after they died in the 1970s, and the postcards probably went to dealers with antique stores and ephemera shops in San Diego. I wish that I had saved them but life was different then.
11:05:29 From Crystal Toenjes : I found my 3rd great grandparents Bible on Ebay 15 years ago. It was left in the house after the family moved the elderly mother into a nursing home and sold the home. The new owners of the house were selling left behind items online. Got it for $25.
11:06:22 From Danine Cozzens : I’m deecoz@gmail and all over the internet so please let me know if anyone else is up for perhaps a G+ group?
11:08:02 From Jacqueline Wilson :
11:10:32 From Jeanne Courval to All panelists : I use it to buy old postcards from the South Carolina area and areas in Indiana and Illinois. I have found postcards of building that no longer exist that are relevant to my family history
11:13:58 From Deb Andrew : My dad was catpured in a shot for Life Magazine. He is looking straight at the camerca. There had been a major coal mining accident. 1952
11:15:27 From Molly McKinley : I have my grandmother’s postcard collection. Many were from relatives. Having the addresses and notes on the back helps me find the place where these relatives fit.
11:18:08 From Molly McKinley : It was probably the hospital auxillary’s recipes.
11:19:11 From Jacqueline Wilson : Could the recipe book be a fund raising book, like they now have. I had a bunch at one time.
11:21:39 From Bill West : Better late than never. Just back from car repairs Oh the pain, the pain!
11:23:00 From Cousin Russ : FEEDLY (A cloud viewer of blogs and podcasts)
11:28:02 From Randy Seaver : I love the idea of a letter to the grandkids.
11:29:56 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : Thanks for a magnificent Monday
11:31:21 From Jacqueline Wilson : Jim – Sounds like my office!
11:34:54 From Cousin Russ :

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ARCHIVED: Mondays with Myrt 25 June 2018


25 June 2018 Mondays with Myrt Our flagship webinar, where we talk about anything and everything that’s come across our genea-desks in the last week. Our special guest is Myrt’s cousin David Taylor, developer of The Family Nexus – a map and pedigree chart smart phone app that alerts users to the locations of ancestral events.

The Family Nexus



10:02:16 From Dave Robison:
10:02:31 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : Good Morning to everyone.
10:03:07 From June Butka to All panelists : Warm hellos to everyone.
10:05:04 From June Butka : Warm Hello to everyone.
10:05:11 From David Taylor to All panelists : I’d like to share this link later on when I talk about the crowdfunding campaign.
10:05:11 From Randy Seaver to All panelists : I’ve been using for two weeks now, and finding more goodies – here’s one that correctsd a death date –
10:05:18 From Deb Andrew : Goodmorning.
10:05:37 From Robbin Smith : Good Morning from warm and humid miami
10:05:39 From JoAnn : Good Afternoon
10:05:46 From Holly Hansen : Great!
10:05:55 From Pamela to All panelists : Cheers, everyone!

DearMYRTLE and Cousin Russ recognize the United Nations’ International Decade for People of African Descent 2015-2024. We reach out to _all_ regardless of race, color, creed, sexual orientation or national origin with support for researching family and documenting cultural inheritance.

10:07:23 From Sheryl : Hello from South Louisiana
10:08:37 From Randy Seaver : Good morning from sunny but still cool Chula Vista CA
10:10:20 From Bill West : Good morning from gloomy southeastern Massachusetts
10:12:02 From Marcia Philbrick : Myrt – I live on highway 36 in Kansas (Seneca, KS).
10:13:22 From June Butka : His phone is at 49% battery life.
10:13:35 From Dave Robison Available for Android??
10:15:03 From Hilary Gadsby: Not yet

10:18:36 From Randy Seaver : I doubt that Geneva Tweddell married a Roger Dumb or a Johnny Dee, but wouldn’t that be funny?
10:19:29 From Dave Robison to All panelists : Did he mention “Hardin” and if so, a location or a family name?
10:20:00 From Hilary Gadsby : Being able to display on your phone makes it easier to share with family.
10:20:55 From Randy Seaver : hi True Lewis, are you home now?
10:22:07 From True Lewis : Hello Randy! – yes , I made it back last night.
10:23:15 From Marcia Philbrick : uninstalling the app and re-installing fixed the crashing app for me
10:23:20 From Randy Seaver : so you do need [to link to a] FamilySearch Family Tree, right?
10:23:36 From deecoz : How does the data get into the app? (I had a crash & missed that point.)
10:23:56 From Cousin Russ :
10:24:06 From David Taylor : Crowd sourcing the fundraising efforts for the Android vresion of the program
10:24:22 From Cousin Russ :
10:24:27 From Cousin Russ :
10:24:29 From nana2 : Thanks, Dave Taylor. There goes my plans for yard work today. I got the premium edition at RootsTech2018, but haven’t really felt like I understood it well enough to use it much until today. Thanks again!
10:25:25 From Janine Edmee Hakim : Thank you, very interesting
10:27:08 From DearMYRTLE :
10:28:52 From Hilary Gadsby : Can you use it anywhere in the world?
10:29:14 From David Taylor : @Hilary Yes it works everywhere!

10:29:28 From Randy Seaver : the late late show video was wonderful fun
10:29:41 From Hilary Gadsby : great video
10:29:47 From Marian Koalski : I was amazed by the visit with Paul McCartney.

[We shared some pic of True Lewis attending the Daughters of the American Revolution annual “Congress.” Find out more about the DAR at ]
10:29:54 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : Beautiful True.
10:30:01 From Marian Koalski : Superb gown, True!
10:30:24 From Melinda Culpon : Absolutely beautiful!
10:30:43 From Hilary Gadsby : loved that pboto
10:32:16 From Marian Koalski : You make me want to go back, True! I remember long days and sore feet.
10:35:47 From Linda : The early Daughters were laughed at for purchasing useless swamp land!

10:37:03 From Robbin Smith : I listened to a podcast this weekend about the Georgetown  [University] 272 slaves that were sold to louisiana plantations. It turns out there are 91 slaves that were not shipped to louisiana and apparently stayed in Maryland. the georgetown memory project is looking for these people.
10:37:08 From Robbin Smith :
10:37:35 From Robbin Smith : See also

10:38:57 From Deb Andrew : Why would you have to cover the insigma? Is it a secret society?
10:40:09 From Marian Koalski : It isn’t secret. I’m puzzled by what True says about the insignia. Around Mass., we’re encouraged to wear the insignia to public events — but behave like ladies!
10:40:32 From Marian Koalski : We wear them at Memorial Day observances, etc.
10:40:36 From deecoz : Campfire Girls used to have robes worn only within the meetings. As did Job’s Daughters. Customs vary with organizations and times.

10:41:45 From Linda : DAR insignia may be worn in public at official events. However, it must be covered when eating in restaurants, in bars, etc. Otherwise, it is just worn at DAR meetings and conferences.
10:45:00 From June Butka : I loved following you [True Lewis] on Facebook.

10:47:46 From Cousin Russ : Black ProGen hangouts
10:48:37 From True Lewis : Linda that is the way I was taught about Insignia in Public. Meetings and Conferences and Official Events.

10:49:51 From Cousin Russ : York Family History Society
10:50:05 From True Lewis : Wear it Proudly – Guard it Carefully – Use it discreectly.

10:50:28 From Cousin Russ :
10:53:23 From Holly Hansen : Sound is awesome !!

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10:54:41 From Cousin Russ :
10:54:49 From Cousin Russ :

11:00:24 From Randy Seaver : Pat – you could put the obituary transcription in the Notes and the source in the Source field
11:02:20 From Marian Koalski : I try to put any images of documents that I have into the Memories section, in hopes that people will see the facts more clearly.
11:03:32 From Molly : I have a step-great grandfather who married 2 Alices. My great grandmother was the second one. All the children listed were from the 1st Alice. I keep finding all his children being atriibuted to my great grandmother.

11:09:34 From Marcia Philbrick : As a teacher in a small rural school, we had two students with the same first, middle and last name and same birthdate. They were in the same graduating class. We told them apart in our record keeping by the community they lived in.

11:10:59 From Marian Koalski : Tough to be an educator in that situation!
11:13:40 From Cousin Russ : Citing “LOCATIONAL DATA” in one’s own office – Evidence Explained FB Group
11:14:08 From Dave Robison : Thanks for letting me discuss NERGC. Registration will be opening soon.
11:14:39 From Marian Koalski : It would help me find my own stuff again!
11:14:49 From June Butka : That would be okay if that is where the items stays. You would need to remember to change it if you moved.
11:15:02 From jacquelinewilson : Overshare – because every time it gets moved, you would have to change the station!
11:15:18 From Molly : I am laughing about that as I am constantly moving stuff around. It would not work for me.
11:16:25 From June Butka : Provenence is what I put in my meta data on a digital copy.
11:16:49 From Marian Koalski : I make notations about folder and file name in my citations. They’re mostly for me anyway, and it might help a grand-kid find it later.

11:23:51 From Melinda Culpon : Dr Jones at IGHR says that he edits almost all footnotes and citations get edited as a printed space issue.

11:23:54 From Cousin Russ :
11:24:22 From jacquelinewilson : No wonder I had issues with it yesterday!
11:25:15 From Melinda Culpon : you were missed!
11:27:14 From Randy Seaver : That was Hannah Morden of Living DNA. I talked to her and David Nicholson at Jamboree
11:27:22 From True Lewis : Thanks for everything Dear Myrtle (Pat) & Cousin Russ for being on this Journey with me from the beginning! I enjoyed being here this afternoon.
11:28:01 From DearMYRTLE to All panelists : An honor to have you!
11:28:19 From Deb Andrew : Is it more than what is on your results on the web page?
11:28:44 From Randy Seaver : how much did the book cost?
11:28:47 From True Lewis : My Welsh line is J1 my Evans.

11:29:36 From Marcia Philbrick : Email from tngusers list — Many TNG (The Next Generation) web sites were hacked last night. It evidently affected sites running TNG 11. The resolution is to restore from a backup and then update to version 12.0.1

11:31:43 From Cousin Russ : Book of Me
11:32:30 From Linda to All panelists : The book info may be looked at by future generations more than an electronic page.
11:32:53 From Dave Robison : Linda, You’re absolutley correct!
11:33:07 From Cousin Russ : PrintFriendly:

11:35:12 From Randy Seaver : I was at San Diego FamilySearch Library last Saturday finding English parish records for my project study presentation
11:35:23 From Cousin Russ : Researchers Guide to American Genealogy 4th Edition by Val D. Greenwood, 2017 (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co.) Available in paperback

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