Cheryl and Myrt mention AncestryDNA pages return 404 error messages. We discuss chromosome browser alternatives. Also making the list is a discussion at 1:31:25 where Randy Seaver and his correspondent have figured that Ancestry has gone from adding over 300 new databases added a few years ago to under 100 most recently – owing to Ancestry’s change in emphasis from record digitization/indexing to DNA tech support.
09:41:59 From Hilary Gadsby to All panelists : Have a few things to mention today.
10:00:17 From Graham Walter : Hello everyone from London
10:00:57 From Cousin Russ : ONE POT MEALS FOR BUSY GENEALOGISTS (Facebook Group) https://facebook.com/groups/293310917888676
10:01:37 From Janine Edmée Hakim : Good morning all….BTWay the Pampered Chef’s “page is GREAT
10:01:59 From Robbin Smith : Hello from Miami
10:02:09 From John Laws : Gotta say Hi from Bonnie Scotland
10:02:48 From Nancy Myers : Hi everyone – from rainy Germany
10:03:19 From Gary Gauthier : Hello from Oh so cold Calgary, Alberta, Canada!
10:04:25 From Betty-Lu Burton : Hello from drowning Arkansas. I had some problems with Zoom earlier so I may be registered twice
10:05:25 From Cheri Hudson Passey : I have been having trouble with Ancestry DNA the last couple of weeks. Getting error messages or things are not coming up correctly. No tree links, no circles etc.
10:06:34 From Doris Haskell : When I get that screen on AncestryDNA, sometimes it helps to click on the Refresh button.
10:06:39 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : Good Morning, working off generator, no power. Trees, poles and lines down for a couple of days now. Snow and ice.
10:08:00 From Betty-Lu Burton : Sheryl glad you have a generator. I hope you get your normal power back quickly
10:08:29 From Cousin Russ : GEDMATCH https://www.gedmatch.com
10:08:44 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : Thank you Betty, me too! Goods neighbors though, we all chip in and help each other.
10:08:55 From Cousin Russ : DNA Painter https://dnapainter.com/
10:09:06 From Graham Walter : and Jonny Perl (DNA Painter) will be at RootsTech SLC 2019
10:09:25 From Jim Everhart to All panelists : Where can I enter a recipe?
10:09:25 From Randy Seaver : I’ve found that the AutoCluster feature on Genetic Affairshttps://geneticaffairs.com/ is helpful – it groups your AncestryDNA matches by Shared Matches. If you know your common ancestor for one person in the cluster, the others in the cluster have a common ancestor with you and your known cousin further back in time.
10:09:29 From DearMYRTLE . : Cannot wait to see Jonny Perl!
10:10:06 From Randy Seaver : You have to know common ancestors with your matches to really fill in DNA Painter.
10:10:46 From Valerie Lisk : DNA Painter is great for ancestry matches because you don’t get a chromosome browser. I was able to determine that a match who was listed as a 2nd cousin on ancestry is actually doubly related from two line that were not supposed to have crossed
10:11:28 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : Ancestry DNA https://www.ancestrydna.com/kits/
10:11:52 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : Living DNA https://livingdna.com
10:12:04 From Marcia Philbrick to All panelists : Cousin Russ — Do you drill down to county when looking at the DNA maps — or just to region?
10:12:34 From Valerie Lisk : Randy, do you need to have a minimum number of matches to get a cluster? I have 4 known cousins on ancestry and we don ‘t form a cluster.
10:13:06 From Robbin Smith : on MyHeritage I found my cousins related to my Swiss Great Grandfather confirming my hypothesis about where he lived.
10:13:30 From Betty-Lu Burton : I have both recent (mid 1800’s) and colonial ancestors.
10:13:47 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : 23& Me DNA https://www.23andme.com
10:14:10 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : FTDNA https://www.familytreedna.com
10:14:26 From Randy Seaver : Valerie, are your four cousins in the same grandparent line? I have a cluster with 37 members, down to clusters with 2 persons in them.
10:14:56 From Randy Seaver : I have 52 clusters with AncestryDNA with limits of 25 to 900 cM.
10:15:07 From Betty-Lu Burton : I uploaded my Ancestry DNA to MyHeritage. Would there be any advantage to take a MyHeritage DNA also? [Note: No.] I have Northern Italian that may have come back as Jewish DNA
10:16:05 From Randy Seaver : Betty-Lu, I don’t think so. MyHeritage finds matches with your uploaded raw data. I haven’t taken a MH DNA test but have uploaded 3 sets of raw data. Lots of matches.
10:16:05 From Valerie Lisk : Randy yes we are from the same grandparents. We share 3 siblings.
10:17:00 From Randy Seaver : The benefit of MyHeritageDNA is the chromosome browser and triangulation tools – I was permitted to put my cousin’s DNA on MH and now know which chromosomes are our Richmond/Rich line.
10:19:33 From Randy Seaver : Valerie, I’ve had a similar experience with close relations, but I don’t have any sibling matches. They seem to recommend an upper limit of 300 cM.
10:20:47 From Randy Seaver : I really need to do the SAR and Mayflower descendants. Just haven’t done it.
10:20:53 From Doris Haskell : I was told I would have my DAR membership number on Feb. 5th. Not yet.
10:21:05 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : SAR – Sons of the American Revolution Eligibility https://www.sar.org/apply-for-membership
10:21:24 From Valerie Lisk : Thanks Randy.
10:22:04 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : Daughters of the American Revolution https://www.dar.org
10:22:06 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : Yes. Same here. My mother, her sister and their mother were all members. Piece of cake? Pretty crummy.
10:22:37 From Rachel Evans : My son isn’t interested in genealogy but loves to hear stories about the ancestors that served. I’m hoping that’s a way of hooking him in.
10:23:06 From Doris Haskell : Rachel, the stories are vital.
10:24:55 From Michelle Minner : My Revolutionary Ancestor was moved to Mt. Vernon by Washington himself, in order to build arms and ammunition. Nobody in my immediate family knew about it. Those SAR and DAR approvals have lots of information that help with your search, even if you aren’t applying for membership.
10:25:30 From Betty-Lu Burton : Ok then Quakers can then be on the list of eligible people? One of my lines were Quakers and I had figured since they opposed war that I would not be able to go through any of them for DAR
10:25:50 From Daniel Horowitz to All panelists : Hi guys, Daniel Horowitz logging in 😉
10:26:23 From DearMYRTLE . : Hiya Daniel. We just spotlighted MyHeritage DNA.
10:26:42 From Graham Walter to All panelists : Hi Daniel
10:27:18 From Doris Haskell : Betty-Lu, Quakers might qualify if they were instrumental in the formation of the new government.. They didn’t have to serve in battle.
10:29:42 From Betty-Lu Burton : Thank you Doris
10:30:19 From Marian Koalski : I think that even paying local taxes is considered a qualifying act of patriotism by the DAR.
10:30:41 From Rachel Evans : One of my ancestors nursed her brother for 40 days before he died from wounds along with 2 sisters. Their father asked for reimbursement for them and supplies used in his care. I’m planning on joining on another line but want to add her as a supplemental
10:31:45 From Marian Koalski : Good idea, Rachel! We need to have more women patriots documented and on the “rolls” of the DAR.
10:33:05 From Randy Seaver : Dave, how do you document the names, events, dates, places, relationships, etc.?
10:37:51 From Daniel Horowitz : http://live2019.myheritage.com
10:38:26 From Betty-Lu Burton : My Quaker ancestor is in the DAR database
10:41:09 From Marian Koalski : Excellent, Betty! Do you see any known relatives among the descendants?
10:41:44 From Cousin Russ : MyHeritage LIVE 2019, September 6-8, 2019 in Amsterdam, Netherlands! https://blog.myheritage.com/2019/02/announcing-myheritage-live-2019
10:42:37 From Cousin Russ : http://live2019.myheritage.com
10:43:24 From Betty-Lu Burton : I just put the known last name and the father of the man, Delaplain Ridgeway, I have been working on came up and someone has gone apparently has gone through Delaplain because his name comes up as an eligible child
10:45:57 From Graham Walter : You’ve got to get there Myrt!!
10:46:01 From Michelle Minner : I have a folding wheelchair, and used it a LOT when I traveled (even on cruise ships, and airplanes, etc.) they are GREAT for mobility.
10:47:31 From Graham Walter : Bye Daniel
10:47:32 From Betty-Lu Burton : It is neat to hear able genealogy activities in Europe
10:51:56 From Hilary Gadsby : I have had to sort out a few tangles on Family Search someone disconnected my grandmother from her family
10:53:07 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : Yes, Randy!
10:53:30 From Hilary Gadsby : I am cross matching with WikiTree so that I can keep things straight.
10:55:53 From Rachel Evans : I have had the same issues with FamilySearch. I ended up adding a discussion item to the person’s profile with my argument.
10:56:07 From Marcia Philbrick to All panelists : I like the ability to ‘collaborate’ or ‘discuss’ on the Family Search tree.
10:56:23 From Randy Seaver : I still think FamilySearch Family Tree is a fantastic resource – it should last a long time, has all of the features needed, and has more profiles than any other collaborative tree.
10:58:52 From Valerie Lisk : I have met many cousins through familysearch.
10:58:54 From Marian Koalski : I sometimes think that most? People don’t notice the Discussions section on FamilySearch. Would the Life Sketch be a better place to explain that Uncle Jack is not dead?
10:59:51 From Randy Seaver : Some contributors to FSFT have added a message at the top of the Life Sketch to call attention to conflict issues.
10:59:54 From Betty-Lu Burton : My Ridgeway DAR is through my great grandmother’s sister
10:59:54 From Dave Robison to All panelists : Thanks for bringing in the SAR/DAR discussion… See you next week!
11:00:15 From Jim Everhart to All panelists : another question
11:01:52 From Kathleen Daetsch : Although they can’t change your tree on Ancestry I get hints that are coming from some of my dna matches adding people to there trees without any sources and no proof
11:03:02 From Marcia Philbrick to All panelists : An advantage of FS tree is the ability to attach the images from the county records in their collection.
11:05:19 From Valerie Lisk : Is there an advantage to having a tree on both familysearch and WikiTree? What is the advantage of WikiTree?
11:05:55 From Linda Jordan to All panelists : Will the link only work if you are already on Wikitree? By on — I mean a member.
11:07:33 From Betty-Lu Burton : I consider WikiTree more stable than familysearch because those working on WikiTree tend to use sources more.
11:08:05 From Valerie Lisk : Thanks Betty-Lu.
11:08:30 From Brenda J. Williams to All panelists : So I take it that none of the members in the screen shot are living, correct, for privacy issues? [NOTE: William Gist Froman is one of DearMYRTLE’s Unions Civil War soldiers.]
11:08:37 From JoAnn Lawrencw : Thanks for the tip about DAR. I just found by 5th great-grandfather on the list. Joseph Gaunt married to Elizabeth Borton. I’ve been looking for this info. Thanks again
11:09:18 From Randy Seaver : advantage of WikiTree is that there are different researchers than on FamilySearch. You never know where you will find a breakthrough.
11:09:46 From Randy Seaver : disadvantage is WikiTree has “only” 20-some million profiles, and FS Family Tree has over 900 million.
11:09:55 From Randy Seaver : both are FREE!
11:10:16 From Sharon Morrissey : On Wikitree .. do you have to input the information by hand or cn you upload?
11:10:19 From Valerie Lisk : Thanks Hilary and Randy!
11:11:03 From Randy Seaver : on WikiTree you can upload a limited GEDCOM file, but then have to discern if your entries match an existing profile. You do this before the GEDCOM profiles are uploaded.
11:11:21 From Valerie Lisk : How do you copy your familysearch tree to WikiTree?
11:11:25 From Robbin Smith : can you add family via gedcom to wikitree?
11:12:20 From Randy Seaver : you cannot copy your FSFT profiles directly. You could download them to a family tree program like RootsMagic, create a GEDCOM, and upload it to WikiTree.
11:12:44 From Randy Seaver : WikiTree has a Help section that tells you the GEDCOM upload process.
11:13:03 From Valerie Lisk : Thanks Randy!
11:13:42 From Robbin Smith : TY i found the upload
11:20:03 From Graham Walter : WikiTree has a comment in their forum answering the question if integration with Rootsmagic – (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10218452044681491&set=gm.10161459715750374&type=3&theater&ifg=1)
11:20:50 From Kathleen Daetsch : I have seen a whole line of my gg grandmother’s line that has no sources at all on WikiTree
11:22:03 From Cousin Russ : Graham Walters’s most excellent #RootsTech suggestion https://www.facebook.com/groups/DearMYRTLE/permalink/10161459715750374/
11:22:06 From Michelle Minner : I use Avery Business cards, and print them myself! LOL…I have always liked doing them myself.
11:23:47 From Cousin Russ : For inexpensive, high quality business cards both Myrt and Graham usehttps://www.vistaprint.com
11:23:55 From Cousin Russ : To create a word cloud as Graham and DearMYRTLE shared during this webinar, try https://wordart.com/create
11:24:19 From Kathleen Daetsch : I like what Myrt said before that the guy she contacted said “I know your one of those people who use source” It seems like the new breed of researches have no use for them.
11:28:48 From Doris Haskell : I can see how that might affect my tree too. I have three people named Russell Simonson Davison. And three people named William Gleason Buckley.
11:29:35 From Gary Gauthier : Graham: A side-note for you. If people are asking about the Mac version of MetaProxy, please tell them I’m doing my best to implement similar features as Tony Proctor has done in the Windows version. I will let people know as soon as I’ve something I can send out.
11:30:21 From Graham Walter : Gary: will do
11:30:55 From Doris Haskell : Michelle Simmons Lewis is a valuable resource for help with Legacy Family Tree see: Legacy 9 Family Tree Software – Users Group (unofficial) https://www.facebook.com/groups/328361930997109/
11:31:42 From Cousin Russ : Randy Seaver’s “A Reader’s Take on Ancestry.com Problems – Part III – Reduced Number of New Record Collections” https://www.geneamusings.com/2019/02/a-readers-take-on-ancestrycom-problems.html
11:35:16 From Robbin Smith : BTW I found a pair of indices for 1850 for towns of Castleton and Northfield were incorrect as of last week
11:37:57 From Cousin Russ : ONE POT MEALS FOR BUSY GENEALOGISTS (Facebook Group) https://facebook.com/groups/293310917888676.
11:39:13 From Cheri Hudson Passey to All panelists : Congratulations Laurie!!
11:40:15 From June Butka : I will participate with a recipe with my Sweet and sour meatballs. [NOTE: Thank-you, June!]
11:40:44 From Brenda J. Williams to All panelists : Randy, what was the total amount of DNA customers with the 10 percent interested in doing genealogy?
11:41:17 From Graham Walter : Have a great day everyone
11:41:21 From Rachel Evans : Have a great day everyone!
11:41:39 From Brenda J. Williams to All panelists : Randy, what was the total amount of DNA customers with the 10 percent interested in doing genealogy?
11:42:05 From susan bleimehl : Really nice event today. Thanks.
11:42:14 From Randy Seaver : Brenda, 15 million DNA testers probably 1.5 million are genealogists with a tree over 100 profiles. Just an estimate.
11:42:24 From Brenda J. Williams to All panelists : A genealogy society I belong to is trying to figure out how to connect to those very people.
11:42:39 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : Yippee! Electrical company is finally here to install a new pole and get up back up and running.
11:42:42 From Pam Helm : Thank you for adding me
11:43:24 From Gary Gauthier to All panelists : Thanks, Myrtle. Do you want new recipes contributions?
11:43:39 From Doris Haskell : I’m not sure if I’m in this group already.
11:43:47 From Randy Seaver : Brenda, you can search on Ancestry Member Connect for subscribers in a community. Target them with an Ancestry message asking them to email back to you.
11:44:23 From Brenda J. Williams to All panelists : Thanks Randy!
11:44:33 From Gary Gauthier to All panelists : Got it. I cook from scratch, since I’m allergic to soy and MSG
11:44:33 From Jim Everhart to All panelists : I clicked join but no reply
11:44:38 From Rachel Evans : I will have to join and go through my recipes.
11:44:40 From Randy Seaver : If your society is brave enough, offer your society to help make a family tree with them.
11:44:54 From Valerie Lisk : You can buy riced cauliflower in the freezer section.
11:47:42 From Randy Seaver : Brenda, Ancestry’s “Search > Member Directory” doesn’t let me find members in a place any more. Only ancestral names in a place. Sorry for the bad lead.
11:49:29 From Randy Seaver : -35 C is about the same as -35 F
11:49:44 From Randy Seaver : the crossover is at -40 C = -40 F
11:49:56 From Brenda J. Williams to All panelists : I think it will be a challenge to connect people who have taken the DNA test to actually doing genealogical research. But I think that most societies will need to do this – to help get younger members as our members age.
11:51:50 From Randy Seaver : A message on Facebook on a community page might put out the word about DNA tests, family trees and genealogy societies.
11:52:46 From Brenda J. Williams to All panelists : I like that suggestion> Something all the lines of “Do something more with your DNA results”
11:53:13 From Randy Seaver : exactly! Use an example of connecting to a DNA match.
11:54:05 From Kathleen Daetsch : Goodbye
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MyHeritage LIVE is happening in Oslo, Norway 2-4 Nov 2018. It’s their first ever users conference. Just look at the lineup of speakers – internationally renowned in the fields of genealogy and DNA. MyHeritage LIVE will feature lectures and hands-on workshops. The conference will be held at the Radisson Blu Scandinavia hotel in Oslo, Norway. The hotel is located in the center of Oslo, near the Royal Palace. For the official conference schedule click here.
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Ol’ Myrt here just received the following from Daniel Horowitz, the Chief Genealogist at MyHeritage:
We are just 8 days away from an exciting weekend in Oslo and I have good news to share with you. We are making the final arrangements to live stream the genealogy and DNA tracks online on the MyHeritage LIVE conference website, so please tune in from 9:00 a.m. Oslo time on 3 November. If you need help calculating the time difference to your local time zone, you can use https://www.thetimezoneconverter.com/. Make sure to visit the conference website to see the full schedule and tune in at the time of the lecture to watch the live stream.
10:00:50 From grahamwalter : Morning (afternoon/evening) All
10:01:15 From Doris Haskell : Good morning from Rock Springs, Wyoming.
10:01:31 From Deb Andrew : Good morning.
10:01:39 From Michele Jackson to All panelists : Good Morning!
10:04:06 From Deb Andrew : My step-sister ran away and married at the age of 12.
10:04:29 From Bill West : Good afternoon from chilly southeastern Massachusetts!
10:04:53 From Betty-Lu Burton : Good morning from a frosty Arkansas
10:05:51 From Liv Christensen to All panelists : Good evening from Bærum (close to Oslo), Norway. It has been a beautiful autumn day here.
10:06:50 From Liv Christensen : Will repeat it so the attendees can see it too: Good evening from Bærum (close to Oslo), Norway. It has been a beautiful autumn day here.
10:06:53 From Hilary Gadsby: Are we going to mention The Family Nexus beta on android? https://thefamilynexus.com/
10:07:50 From Molly McKinley : My grandmother’s first marriage was when she was 14. Her mother and step-father signed for her.
10:08:01 From grahamwalter : Nice day here too in London… very pleasant for this time of year 🙂
10:08:38 From Kathleen Daetsch : I think after you put it in your story you have to share it or no one will see it but you
10:09:36 From Vonda Heverly to All panelists : Stories only last 24 hours.
10:10:21 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : My FB has the My Stories on the right hand side of the screen between the timeline and who is online.
10:10:23 From Marian Koalski : Remember Jerry Lee Lewis and his 13-year-old cousin?
10:11:54 From Cousin Russ : NATIONAL ARCHIVES (US) Virtual Genealogy Fair https://www.archives.gov/calendar/genealogy-fair
10:11:57 From Cousin Russ : .
10:12:49 From Cousin Russ : It’s Day #22 of “31 Days of Tips from The Archive Lady” and today I am talking about one of my favorite record sources “Vertical Files…What Are They?” Check it Out! #genealogy #archives — https://agenealogistinthearchives.blogspot.com/2018/10/vertical-fileswhat-are-they.html
10:14:53 From Cousin Russ : Map guide to American migration routes, 1735-1815 by William Dollarhide https://www.amazon.com/guide-American-migration-routes-1735-1815/dp/1877677744
10:14:53 From Cousin Russ : .,
10:15:14 From Mary Lou Gravatt : Randy Seavers Are you still using We Remember at Anestry? You mentioned it several months ago.
10:16:07 From Randy Seaver : Mary Lou – I did several of them but haven’t done any more.
10:21:23 From Deb Andrew : Years ago when my dh and I were moving to Australia, I had to get a passport. It was the first time I saw my original birth certificate. It had some very interesting info on it. Then when my daughter was born in Australia, she needed a passport as well. I remember my dh standing over her to take her picture for the passport. She was an infant but had a seperate one, so that she could travel with either parent.
10:21:39 From John Laws : It gonna be an adventure for me coming from not in Edinburgh Scotland
10:23:00 From John Laws : Also gonna try to RoosTech 2019 in London ExCel in October
10:24:57 From Melinda Culpon : Look at flights from Manchester to Norway as well – just more information for you
10:25:08 From Tony Proctor to All panelists : sorry, fighting with zoom. May have to just be a participant
10:25:55 From Cousin Russ : https://www.rootstech.org/
10:27:40 From Hilary Gadsby : https://www.rootstech.org/london
10:28:56 From Cousin Russ : Chula Vista Genealogical Society https://chulavistagenealogysociety.wildapricot.org
10:29:44 From Michele Jackson : We have a small society here and we are trying a new lunch and learn series which I hope will help us but our fb group has thousands so the reach of social media for societies is super important, but you have to have something for them that interests them to pull them in
10:30:49 From John Laws : Ancestry continually offering DNA discounts in the US but exclude the UK
10:30:50 From Kathleen Daetsch : I have a question, if we can get to it, about DAR lineage books as evidence
10:33:17 From Deb Andrew : Remind them that sometime in the further they may be contacted by someone who is a NPE or are adopted.
10:33:36 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : Ancestry
10:33:57 From Betty-Lu Burton : Relative Race had a relative connection last week where the man on relative race was the connection needed for a lady who had been adopted out of his family
10:34:12 From Maureen Winski to All panelists : I just downloaded my Ancestry to MyHeritage for free
10:34:33 From Michele Jackson to All panelists : I can not see results.
10:34:34 From Pam Helm : i can see them
10:34:35 From Pamela Wells : I see it now and have voted, thank you
10:34:40 From Liv Christensen : Yes it is possible to go from Manchester to Norway, that is Oslo. But we might start the trip in Trondheim, because we are going to Surnadal which is 1-2 hours from Trondheim. If we start in Oslo, I would recommend taking the train to Trondheim, a 6 hours trip through the Gudbrandsdal and over the mountain plain Dovre. If you are lucky you might see the musk-ox
10:34:57 From Melinda Culpon : Found a new cousin – happy that worked out well
10:35:51 From Kathleen Daetsch : I have uploaded to MyHeritage
10:36:27 From Pamela Wells : Many years ago I used Sorensen who are now out of business, unfortunately!
10:36:45 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : I have uploaded to GEDMatch and MyHeritage
10:36:58 From Nicole Smith to All panelists : oh, I’ve also uploaded to MyHeritage too. I didn’t answer that in my poll results though
10:37:06 From Kathleen Daetsch : I have also uploaded to genmatch also’
10:37:06 From cyndy Bray : Also uploaded to My Heritage and Gedmatch
10:37:21 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : I did the Sorensen also.
10:37:28 From Nicole Smith to All panelists : i’ve uploaded to GEDmatch
10:37:33 From Rachel Evans to All panelists : I’ve had both my parents tested at Ancestry as well. Just uploaded their results to both myheritage and gedmatch. My mother, who is not interested in genealogy at all, wants to take another test somewhere else because of her low Italian on ancestry.
10:37:33 From Deb Andrew : All the kits I manage are on Gedmatch. That is around 55 kits.
10:37:38 From Devon Lee to All panelists : I’m not understanding the question.
10:37:57 From Pamela Wells : I use Gedmatch daily as I manage 23 DNA accounts for friends and family members.
10:38:16 From Launa Droescher to All panelists : I also did Sorenson test never received any results
10:38:18 From Linda Jordan to All panelists : I’ve uploaded 3 kits to Gedmatch, however I haven’t found anyone as yet.
10:38:19 From Devon Lee to All panelists : Andy
10:38:38 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : They are open about being public, and it’s not a problem for me. More cousins!!
10:38:48 From Pamela Wells : I personally have no problem with it since I have a DNA test out there anyway and it does solve crimes….
10:38:49 From Devon Lee to All panelists : Oops..
Andy is a supporter of GedMatch because it allows people to meet in the middle no matter which company they use.
10:38:52 From Randy Seaver : I don’t have a problem with that myself – if I had a criminal background I wouldn’t be using it.
10:39:00 From Kathleen Daetsch : I agree Dave
10:39:08 From Molly McKinley : Amen, Dave
10:39:23 From Nicole Smith to All panelists : Considering that my husband almost died of a genetic disease and if we had known about it before hand… well I’m in favor of it
10:39:23 From Randy Seaver : You do have to give consent
10:39:36 From Geoffrey Cooker to All panelists : PLEASE keep in mind that law enforcement must still adhere to the 4th and 5th amendments.
10:39:47 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : The criminal did not use GEDmatch. The investigators identified him with his cousins who were on GEDmatch.
10:39:52 From Sherry Wilmes to All panelists : Each of these companies can be sold to insurance companies. When federal and state laws prohibit use for discriminatory purposes, I would love to do it. They are not selling this for hobby purposes.
10:39:59 From Nicole Smith to All panelists : but yes it could negatively affect my kids
10:40:01 From Pam Helm : I agree with Dave.
10:40:24 From Betty-Lu Burton : Too many people have a false sense of what Privacy is. With Ged Match being voluntary there should be no problems. She matches living people through old fashion detective work using already public records
10:40:26 From Geoffrey Cooker to All panelists : A search warrant is ALWAYS the best policy when searching for information.
10:41:08 From Rebecca Williams : How do I say this? If you don’t want your information publicly available, then don’t put your results out there. No one is forcing you to put it out where other people can see and use it.
10:41:32 From Devon Lee to All panelists : Rebecca… I think you just did
10:43:01 From Rebecca Williams : There are those people who would put their DNA results on GED Match so that their criminal relative gets caught.
10:43:17 From Dave Robison : Pam mentioned Sorensen. I know they’re out of business but thought Ancestry bought the data base. I could be wrong.
10:44:14 From Devon Lee to All panelists : Here’s the thing. Now that DNA is out there, your cousins, your siblings, your aunts could be the individuals who are sharing their DNA, even if keep your DNA private. Many researchers are using the DNA to find those common ancestors and then go offline to do descendancy research to determine the link to those involved in crimes. So, even if you’re being private in your DNA usage, your extended family could be the reason the questionable ancestors are found.
10:44:18 From Pamela Wells : I discovered a half sister who is 4 mos older than I . We have met and loved my new Sis immediately.
10:44:19 From Louise Smith to All panelists : In theory, I don’t have any issues with DNA being considered public when an individual uploads their own DNA – I think of it as being no different than throwing away a cigarette or kleenex, etc. in a public garbage. I DO have an issue though with people being identified through DNA submitted by someone else. Ultimately, to allow this, we are changing the intention of existing legislation with respect to DNA evidence. However, that being said, I’m Canadian, AND I haven’t reviewed the wording of the existing legislation and any relevant cases
10:45:03 From Geoffrey Cooker : DNA on GEDMATCH also raises the question of a person’s expectation of privacy. If you put your DNA on a site such as GEDMATCH, you may be relinquishing your expectation of privacy. That’s where the constitutional issue comes in on this topic.
10:45:05 From Janet Iles : Living DNA does Y-DNA
10:45:25 From Louise Smith to All panelists : This, in my view, opens the door to more than we’re prepared for and it’s not particularly helpful to close the barn door after the horses have left the barn
10:45:50 From Devon Lee to All panelists : When you can’t find anyone yet, be patience. I didn’t find matches for 5 years!
10:45:56 From Randy Seaver : Upload your DNA results form another company to MyHeritage before 1 December – if you do it before then you can continue to use their free tools. If not, using the tools will cost a fee
10:46:11 From Kathleen Daetsch : But you don’t have to be retested on My Heritage you can upload to them
10:46:20 From John Laws : My 2nd cousin in South Africa Nicholas Laws has tested we share grt grandfather 1828-1891
10:46:21 From Nicole Smith to All panelists : And it I do agree with you, so this next comment is only by way of explanation, not to disagree with anyone. Genetic testing result aren’t necessarily private if you test within a healthcare setting. My husband and I are considering it for our two boys but in the future it could be held against them.
10:46:41 From Pamela Wells : I only wish my parents were alive today…my new sis was a product of a girlfriend my father had after he returned from WW II ….SO, be sure you are prepared for news that might be quite alarming to other family members.
10:47:24 From Marian Koalski : Does law enforcement do surveillance on suspects?
10:47:32 From Nicole Smith to All panelists : However then the boys would know for sure about their inherited clotting disorder.
10:47:35 From Marian Koalski : And their relatives?
10:47:53 From Dave Robison : Marian…Yes, that’s how they were able to get DNA samples for some of these criminals.
10:48:00 From Kathleen Daetsch : Same with me Russ
10:48:29 From Janet Iles : Living DNA gives the Haplogroup and subclade for the Y-DNA
10:48:47 From Hilary Gadsby : I am trying to persuade one of my 3rd cousins to upload to My Heritage as she has done Ancestry test and I have not but I am on My Heritage
10:49:55 From Cousin Russ : DNA testing comparisons http://blog.kittycooper.com/dna-basics/dna-testing
10:49:58 From Rachel Evans : I just noticed while using Chrome is ancestry shows if the person has an unlinked tree instead of no tree.
10:50:05 From Pamela Wells : Blaine Bettinger has a couple of great groups on Facebook to help people learn all about DNA
10:51:06 From Devon Lee to All panelists : The ethnicity results constantly change as new information comes to light. Ancestry just had an ethnicity result revamp.
10:51:07 From Molly McKinley : Almost all my paper is British Isles, but I showed up 30% Scandinavian. Must have had some sailors in the group! LOL
10:51:09 From Cousin Russ : DNA Central https://dna-central.com
10:51:20 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : Yes! Some people test thinking they will just learn their ethnicity. They are surprised to find cousin/close family matches.
10:51:29 From Pamela Wells : All of my DNA tests from Ancestry.com, 23 & Me and myheritage have different ethnicity.
10:51:34 From Randy Seaver : I think law enforcement uses the matching tools, then does research on the family using genealogy tools, comes up with possible suspects, then tries to find more evidence that can compare to the DNA sample from the crime – using warrants and standard police work
10:52:11 From Deb Andrew : My grandmother was supposed to be 1/2 or 1/4 Native American. According to all the people tested from her direct line, no Native American. I also did the mtDNA test, still none. It took them forever to be able to see that is was a story that was handed down and not be true.
10:52:23 From Betty-Lu Burton : My Italian originally showed up as Iberian Peninsula and now shows up as Jewish. When I look at the historical maps I understand the why. The area of Italy my great grandparents came from was not settled by Italians
10:52:29 From Leah Smith : The Dana Leeds Method is a good way for newbies to begin working with matches. Very visual.
10:52:51 From Mary Lou Gravatt : I did my and my husband’s DNA to maybe break a brick wall for each of us.
10:52:51 From John Laws : Cos they have NOT followed the Paper trail
10:53:14 From DearMYRTLE : CeCe Moore – Genetic Genealogist https://www.facebook.com/CeCeMooreDNA/
10:53:21 From Hilary Gadsby : I expected 100% English but have some NPE in my ancestry
10:53:44 From Devon Lee to All panelists : I think it’s from the marketing by the companies that drive the ethnicity results being the first reason peole test. I remember the MyHeritage Christmas campaign that was heavily about ethnicity not cousin matches.
10:53:54 From John Laws : Europe & GB had transient populations
10:53:57 From Geoffrey Cooker : You are correct, Randy Seaver. In the agency I work for, we would obtain a search warrant for anything that is not recognized as public domain. Basically, people using GEDMATCH should understand that they MAY not have a reasonable expectation of privacy because it is a website that is accessible by ANYONE.
10:53:59 From Nicole Smith to All panelists : I’ve never understood where they draw the line for heritage delinage because before someone was Irish they were from somewhere else?
10:54:14 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : Dave just made me laugh right out loud!!
10:54:16 From Betty-Lu Burton : People forget that Europe’s boundaries have changed some much over the years and hundreds years ago there was a major shift in population
10:54:29 From Pamela Wells : I have found the paper trail of your family tree along with your DNA tests run parallel in most of my DNA connections.
10:54:36 From Kathleen Daetsch : Yes
10:55:09 From Cousin Russ : CeCe Moore – Genetic Genealogist https://www.facebook.com/CeCeMooreDNA/
10:55:42 From Randy Seaver : Geoff – I don’t think that any living person has been identified yet publicly as being THE match that caused an arrest. Those persons have been protected as far as I know. It could change, of course.
10:56:36 From Devon Lee to All panelists : Agreed about the separate DNA emails. We do this!
10:57:57 From Devon Lee to All panelists : QUESTION: If DNA is such a hot button, why are folks not upset about the ability to access various vital records? I obtained a birth record for someone born in 1930 who is still living. Additionally, the tax records are online.
10:58:48 From Kathleen Daetsch : I also use a profile name but my sons use their own name.
10:59:03 From Geoffrey Cooker : You’re correct, Randy. But the issue that seems to be hitting us in the law enforcement community is the invasion of the government into private information. DNA is an exciting option in genealogy and the internet is our generation’s “Wild West”, and mixing the two together raises some very interesting issues!
10:59:14 From Pamela Wells : The DNA Detectives group on Facebook lead by CeCe Moore is an excellent way to learn about DNA
10:59:36 From Devon Lee to All panelists : I’m not wanting things to change, it’s just that folks can access more of our ‘private’ informaiton than we realize in the US>
10:59:51 From Randy Seaver : They are all public records depending on state laws. I can get a “not for identification” record for births and deaths after 1905 in California, but I have pay about $20 for it.
11:00:46 From Randy Seaver : We are all in DMV, bank, credit card, criminal and court records many times – private detectives can find all of that quickly.
11:00:47 From Kathleen Daetsch : I’m in New York they are trying to change it. I think it is 70 now they want to make it over 100
11:00:49 From Nicole Smith to All panelists : It’s very difficult to get birth records in New York and New Jersey
11:02:16 From Devon Lee to All panelists : John… that’s hilarious.
11:02:39 From Michele Jackson to All panelists : In the mid 1990’s I remember watching my gram carefully cut up the envelopes that came in the mail so no one could get her address from the garbage…. I never did tell her about the internet.
11:02:47 From Marian Koalski : yes
11:03:13 From Devon Lee to All panelists : No, but I’m applying for the ‘other side’. UEL
11:04:03 From Cousin Russ : National Society Daughters of the American Revolution https://www.dar.org/
11:04:22 From Danine Cozzens : Several lines of mine are “red flagged” now in the excellent DAR database. Those books are clues, not proof.
11:04:24 From Marian Koalski : They are not acceptable in themselves, but they have good clues. The public can buy images of the documentation from many members’ application, from DAR.ORG.
11:04:39 From Linda Jordan to All panelists : I want a record from a court case where my grand aunt was institutionalized before 1920. Still unable to get court case because of way state laws are written, even under freedom of information laws.
11:04:41 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : I have tried 4 times and been rejected.
11:05:09 From Marian Koalski : MANY members’ applications — not ANY.
11:05:12 From Rachel Evans : Kathleen NYC just passed 125 for births, 75 for deaths.
11:06:10 From Kathleen Daetsch : If you buy them do you get the documents
11:06:11 From Rachel Evans : Yep. Especially since a majority of my family is NYC
11:07:04 From Cousin Russ : DNA Central https://dna-central.com/
11:07:20 From grahamwalter : UK Birth certificates – come GRO website “The only restriction is that under Identity Fraud legislation you must know the full details of the person (including full date of birth and parents names) for any birth that occurred within the past 50 years.”
11:08:25 From Cousin Russ : The Family Tree Polish, Czech And Slovak Genealogy Guide: How to Trace Your Family Tree in Eastern Europe https://www.amazon.com/Family-Polish-Czech-Slovak-Genealogy/dp/1440343276
11:08:28 From Marian Koalski : Has anyone seen Kenyatta Berry’s new book yet?
11:08:35 From Maria Tegtmeier to All panelists : Yay. Happy to be hear.
11:08:40 From Marian Koalski : Yay!
11:14:39 From Danine Cozzens : Trackpad fumble as I capture all the excellent links…
11:15:01 From Cousin Russ : https://blog.findmypast.co.uk/findmypast-friday-2613398987.html
11:15:01 From Cousin Russ : .
11:15:19 From Cousin Russ : From last week which I can talk about https://blog.findmypast.co.uk/findmypast-friday-october-2611681143.html
11:17:50 From grahamwalter : Women’s Vote (UK) 1918 enfranchised women over the age of 30 who were either a member or married to a member of the Local Government Register. 1928: Women received the vote on the same terms as men (over the age of 21) as a result of the Representation of the People Act 1928.
11:18:11 From grahamwalter : sorry – no mic connected
11:18:54 From Randy Seaver : FMP also has collections from the parish records for many counties of Baptisms, Marriages and Burials that are more extensive than the IGI. They were very useful in my “This is Your Ancestry” study for the local politician
11:24:49 From Devon Lee : I remember that program. It was fun but not as fun as today
11:25:51 From Hilary Gadsby : You can also see if the family may have stayed in a particular part of the county by looking at where the parishes were in relation to each other.
11:27:53 From Betty-Lu Burton : I still have several printouts from the IGI microfiche
11:27:58 From Hilary Gadsby : Some of the transcriptions have occupation of the father.
11:28:07 From Randy Seaver : Our Chula Vista library had a whole collection of IGI in the early 1990s on microfiche out in public until some fiche were stolen so they hid it in a locked room and nobody knew we had it.
11:28:31 From grahamwalter : can’t find the mic!!
11:29:20 From grahamwalter : I do but can’t find the box it’s in!
11:29:26 From Geoffrey Cooker : Thank you for an interesting discussion!
11:29:30 From Kathleen Daetsch : Thank you for answering my question.
11:30:01 From Pamela Wells : Thank you all for the wonderful presentations!
11:30:14 From Cousin Russ : NATIONAL ARCHIVES (US) Virtual Genealogy Fair https://www.archives.gov/calendar/genealogy-fair
11:31:11 From Pamela Wells : Zoom is terrific!
11:31:11 From Kathleen Daetsch : I think it is wonderful
11:31:25 From grahamwalter : have a good day everyone
11:32:01 From Devon Lee : I did want to try the mic and video if possible
11:32:41 From Rachel Evans : I will have to eventually dig my mic out of a box somewhere
11:32:58 From grahamwalter : no direct connections to the hotels
11:34:28 From grahamwalter : can you hire a motability scooter?
11:35:15 From Deb Andrew : You sound like me. When I leave the house I take the stick as well.
11:35:29 From grahamwalter : NEC website- motability scooters for hire
11:35:32 From grahamwalter : http://www.thenec.co.uk/visitors/disabled-visitors/
11:35:50 From grahamwalter : yep
11:35:59 From grahamwalter : scroll down
11:36:12 From grahamwalter : i’m looking 🙂
11:44:34 From Deb Andrew : You go girl!
11:50:23 From grahamwalter : Catch you next time
19:07:10 From Patricia Greber : The DNA features are great! And always evolving
19:07:29 From Pat Richley-Erickson : Deb – let’s let him explain things first.
19:07:59 From Pat Richley-Erickson to All panelists : RootsFinder is found at www.RootsFinder.com
19:08:01 From Pat Richley-Erickson to All panelists : .
19:09:45 From Cousin Russ : RootsFinder is found at www.RootsFinder.com
19:12:10 From Deb Andrew : Love your site.
19:12:15 From Cousin Russ : RootsFinder DNA Tools https://www.facebook.com/groups/205093263417577/
19:40:32 From Patricia Greber : I am a visual person so using Roots Finder has been so helpful!
19:40:43 From Bev Anderson : Love it
19:40:45 From Jennifer Franklin : Very helpful already
19:41:02 From Betty-Lu Burton : it would help me
19:41:02 From Patricia Greber : I struggle with some of the import tools like DNAGedcom
19:41:26 From Molly McKinley : I like the idea. I get so confused looking the details with no understanding.
19:41:32 From gloriac : Looks good and certainly couldn’t hurt!
19:41:41 From Jennifer Franklin to All panelists : dnagedcom desktop client required
19:41:44 From Cousin Russ :
19:41:48 From Kathleen Daetsch : Yes It looks like it will make it easier especially having all the groups in one place
19:43:07 From Ray Clark to All panelists : This is a HUGE benefit, ask Dallan to please show the Matches circle.
19:45:27 From Kathleen Daetsch : I have matches on GEDmatch and I have matches on ancestry and I have other matches on MyHeritage. Will they all come together here?
19:45:43 From Patricia Greber : Thanks!
19:45:49 From Louis Kessler : Can Dallan tell us about the tree, and how the hints to the online companies work?
19:51:51 From Karen Melis : Is this easier than genomate pro?
19:52:44 From Kathleen Daetsch : That is what I was getting at I have three different places and this would combine them
19:55:16 From Deb Andrew : By using the DNA tools on Rootsfinder, I’ve found connections to at least two different people, who you wouldn’t consider as a relative in the family.
19:57:12 From Karen Melis : Is the tree only on my computer or online [Note from Myrt – only online, but backed up 3 different ways by RootsFinder.]
19:57:41 From Kathleen Daetsch : I was at the New York Municipal archives yesterday, had to look at a death certificate.
19:58:17 From Melissa Barker : That is awesome Kathleen, Thank You for using one of our wonderful archives!
20:04:49 From Deb Andrew : What resolution size is best for the profile picture. [96dpi for web.]
20:12:42 From Heather Henderson : thanks so much for inviting us, Myrt! hugs back to you!
20:13:32 From Kathleen Daetsch : You know the Death certificates online do not have all the information from the original.
20:13:47 From Heather Henderson : THANKS! See you soon!
20:14:04 From Deb Andrew : Thanks for coming.
20:14:24 From Heather Henderson : yes! absolutely!