REGISTER NOW: DearMYRTLE October 2018 Events

Cousin Russ and I have scheduled a very busy schedule in October 2018 — chock full of virtual learning opportunities for online genealogists. We’ve partnered with Family History Expos‘ Holly Hansen to produce a week-long 2018 International Family History Expo virtual conference

2018 PIRATES of the Pedigree

DearMYRTLE sponsored sessions include:

  • 10am Monday  Mondays with Myrt—Women Homesteaders: If he could do it so could I with Jamie Mayhew
  • 7pm Tuesday Genealogy in Ukraine: Discover Online Resources with Michelle Tucker Chubenko
  • 10am Wednesday Scotland Research Strategies with Claire V. Brisson-Banks
  • 7pm Wednesday Digital Library on American Slavery & More with Diane L. Richard
  • 10am Thursday Lost in Australia with Helen V. Smith
  • 7pm Thursday España por favor: Spanish Records and Resources with Debbie Gurtler
  • 10am Friday English Land Records with Sue Adams
  • 7pm Friday It’s All Greek to Me! Genealogy Research in Greece with Carol Kostakos Petranek
  • 10am Saturday Norwegian Research with Liv Birgit Christensen
  • 7pm Saturday Slow Down—Planning Your Research with Fiona Brooker
  • For the full schedule, see

We’re also planning a Halloween Bash toward the end of the month. Start planning your costume and virtual backdrop now.PromoSHOAa Halloween Spooktacular

Cousin Russ and I present these webinars at no cost to the viewer. If you find the information useful, consider the Pay What You Want business model Ol’ Myrt employs. Post COMMENTS AFTER the hangout, comments continue at



1 October 2018 Mondays with Myrt Our flagship webinar, where we talk about anything and everything that’s come across our genea-desks in the last week. The live broadcast starts at Noon Eastern US (New York), 11am Central US (Chicago), 10am Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 9am Pacific US (Los Angeles)

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3 October 2018 WACKY Wednesday with DearMYRTLE’s *very* distant cousin Our topic is determined by our Mondays with Myrt discussions. The live broadcast starts at 9pm Eastern US (New York), 8pm Central US (Chicago), 7pm Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 6pm Pacific US (Los Angeles).


8 October 2018 Mondays with Myrt Our flagship webinar, where we talk about anything and everything that’s come across our genea-desks in the last week. The live broadcast starts at Noon Eastern US (New York), 11am Central US (Chicago), 10am Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 9am Pacific US (Los Angeles)

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10 October 2018 WACKY Wednesday with DearMYRTLE’s *very* distant cousin Our topic is determined by our Mondays with Myrt discussions. The live broadcast starts at 9pm Eastern US (New York), 8pm Central US (Chicago), 7pm Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 6pm Pacific US (Los Angeles).

Women Homesteaders

15 October 2018  (Monday) A special presentation for Family History Expo’s Pirates of the Pedigree 2018 International Family History Expos Virtual Event combining:

  • An abbreviated Mondays with Myrt followed by
  • Women Homesteaders: If he could do it so could I with Jamie Lee McManus Mayhew

The Homestead Act of 1862 opened the West to settlement by families, recently freed slaves, single men and single women. These women were uniquely qualified, bringing their special skills to help shape the future of the western US. This presentation will teach you about the laws and processes governing homesteading through the eyes of some of the women who braved the loneliness and hardships of open land. Learn where to find the records and how to use them to expand your research.

Jamie Lee McManus Mayhew is a family history researcher and speaker. She has a Professional Learning Certificate in Genealogical Studies from the National Institute for Genealogical Studies. She specializes in U.S. research and speaks on all areas of land research.



16 Oct 2018 (Tuesday) Genealogy in Ukraine: Discover Online Resources with Michelle Tucker Chubenko. The live broadcast starts at 9pm Eastern US (New York), 8pm Central US (Chicago), 7pm Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 6pm Pacific US (Los Angeles).

Whether your roots are in Galicia, Volhynia, Inter-War Poland or today’s Ukraine, Michelle will share her “top-ten” websites for research. From online indexes to digitized images of records, you’ll learn about who is bringing greater access to the records from the Central State Historical Archives (TsDIAK & TsDIAL), Oblast (Regional) Archives, Archiwum Główne Akt Dawnych (AGAD) and other historical organizations in the diaspora. Discover how to use message boards and other databases to find fellow researchers and historical information on Ukraine’s rich, yet turbulent history.

Michelle Tucker Chubenko is a professional genealogist and researcher with Legacy Tree Genealogists. She specializes in New Jersey and Eastern European research and is a founding member with the Nashi Predky Family History Group at the Ukrainian History and Education Center.


AmericaGen Study Group

NEW time just this session. 17 October 2018 (Wednesday) AmericaGen Study Group tackles Chapter 11 “Family History – Going Beyond Genealogy” from Val Greenwood’s The Researchers Guide to American Genealogy, 2017 (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company.) The live broadcast starts at 2pm Eastern US (New York), 1pm Central US (Chicago), noon Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 11am Pacific US (Los Angeles). If you are new, register here:



17 Oct 2018 (Wednesday) Scotland Research Strategies with Claire V. Brisson-Banks. The live broadcast starts at Noon Eastern US (New York), 11am Central US (Chicago), 10am Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 9am Pacific US (Los Angeles). The live broadcast starts at Noon Eastern US (New York), 11am Central US (Chicago), 10am Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 9am Pacific US (Los Angeles).

Case Study: Using a set of records, in a step by step process, to unravel a family legend and extend a family pedigree. Using,, Scan and other Scottish websites.An accredited genealogist who owns Timeless Genealogies, a research firm. A BYU-Idaho Family History Professor, an international presenter who mentors future genealogists. Provides technical support for Ancestral Quest. An independent associate for Legal Shield and ID Shield to aid those who need Identity Theft protection and Access to Lawyers.


American Slavery

17 Oct 2018 (Wednesday) Digital Library on American Slavery & More with Diane L. Richard. The live broadcast starts at 9pm Eastern US (New York), 8pm Central US (Chicago), 7pm Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 6pm Pacific US (Los Angeles).

The Digital Library on American Slavery (DLAS) is several projects complemented by other online resources focusing on slave petitions & narratives, bills of sale, runaway advertisements, etc. Some collections and techniques which will be focused on include … • DLAS [slave petitions, runaway slave advertisements, bills of sale, transatlantic slave trade database] & related projects with complementary content [including local efforts such as Duplin County (NC) Register of Deeds, Unknown No Longer [VA], other runaway slave advertisement sites, etc] • Slave Narratives [not all are part of the Born in Slavery: Slave Narratives from the Federal Writers’ Project, 1936 to 1938 [Library of Congress] • Using Archivegrid to search for private manuscript collections containing slave records.

Genealogy researcher since 1987; professional since 2004. Focus on the South, African-American, and lineage research using unique online and on-the-ground research resources. Researched for and appeared on Who Do You Think You Are? Regular contributor to “Internet Genealogy” and “Your Genealogy Today.” Presents at national conferences and edits two journals.



18 Oct 2018 (Thursday) Lost in Australia with Helen V. Smith.  The pre-recorded broadcast starts at Noon Eastern US (New York), 11am Central US (Chicago), 10am Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 9am Pacific US (Los Angeles). The live broadcast starts at Noon Eastern US (New York), 11am Central US (Chicago), 10am Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 9am Pacific US (Los Angeles).

While initially a destination for the convicts of the UK, it was also a destination for the riches within from whaling, land and then the gold rushes of the 1850s, which attracted people from all over the world. Researching in Australia is a matter of knowing the time and place. From the time of white settlement in 1788 to Federation in 1901, Australia was comprised of a number of colonies. They were self-governed and responsible for their own immigration, defence, civil registration etc. There are many resources (online and off, free and Pay sites) that will find that ancestor lost in Australia.Researching since 1986, Helen is the author of Death Certificates and Archaic Medical Terms and Google, the Genealogist’s Friend, plus articles for family history and scientific publications. Helen has presented in the U.S., Canada, England, and New Zealand, and on 12 “Unlock the Past” cruises. Member of APG and GSG.

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18 Oct 2018 (Thursday) España por favor: Spanish Records and Resources with Debbie Gurtler. The live broadcast starts at 9pm Eastern US (New York), 8pm Central US (Chicago), 7pm Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 6pm Pacific US (Los Angeles).

Are you trying to trace ancestors in Spain? This class will teach you how to find records, both online and in the archives of Spain. You’ll come away with an understanding of the various record types and what clues they might hold. Sound research methodology will be discussed as will aids to help you read the Spanish handwritten records once you’ve found them.

Debbie works at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City. In addition to helping guests with ancestors from Spain, Latin America, Italy and Portugal, she is the manager of the Simplified Learning team. She graduated with a BA in Family History from Brigham Young University. She is fluent in Spanish, having lived in South America for over five years. She regularly presents classes in English and Spanish and is an Accredited Genealogist® for Spain and the US, Mid-South region.


England19 Oct 2018 (Friday) English Land Records with Sue Adams. The live broadcast starts at Noon Eastern US (New York), 11am Central US (Chicago), 10am Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 9am Pacific US (Los Angeles). The live broadcast starts at Noon Eastern US (New York), 11am Central US (Chicago), 10am Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 9am Pacific US (Los Angeles).

This advanced class explores English land records, an under-used source type. A minority of people owned real property in England, but for those who did, property records are potentially a very rich source of information. This class explains types of tenure (ownership), the processes for transfer or inheritance of property, and the documents produced. Unfamiliar legal terms like freehold and copyhold will be de-mystified. Focus will be on documents in English after 1733. Students will learn strategies for finding, interpreting and incorporating property records in their research.Sue Adams is a professional genealogist based in Norfolk, England. Having earned an undergraduate degree in Family and Community History in 2001, and a Masters degree in Genealogical, Palaeographic and Heraldic Studies from the University of Strathclyde in 2012, Sue’s research interests include English land records, migration, digital technologies, and genealogical data standards.


19 Oct 2018 (Friday) It’s All Greek to Me! Genealogy Research in Greece with Carol Kostakos Petranek. The live broadcast starts at 9pm Eastern US (New York), 8pm Central US (Chicago), 7pm Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 6pm Pacific US (Los Angeles).

In the early 1900’s, thousands of men left Greece to find work and provide a better life for their families. Today, many thousands of their descendants are seeking their roots. Family history research in Greece is challenging yet achievable. This presentation will describe the records available in civil archives, municipal town halls, libraries and churches. It will also provide an introduction to documents available online through the website of the General Archives of Greece. A detailed handout for this session will be provided, and supplementary materials will include: how to read various record sets, word lists, and links to online sources. At the conclusion of this presentation, a beginning researcher will have a comprehensive overview of the resources and record sets to begin research in Greece.

Assistant Director of the Washington, D.C., Family History Center, Carol is an active member of the Greek genealogy community, writes a blog (, contributes to Greek online associations and research websites, and volunteers at the National Archives in Washington where she serves as a Genealogy Aid in the Research Room.



20 October 2018 (Saturday) Norwegian Research with Liv Birgit Christensen. The live broadcast starts at Noon Eastern US (New York), 11am Central US (Chicago), 10am Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 9am Pacific US (Los Angeles). The live broadcast starts at Noon Eastern US (New York), 11am Central US (Chicago), 10am Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 9am Pacific US (Los Angeles).

Having a starting point in the USA with a few facts about the Norwegian ancestor(s) makes it possible to find them in Norway by using FamilySearch, the Digital Archives and the Norwegian Historical Data Centre (censuses) separately and in combination. The Church books at the Digital Archives are the main sources of information about Norwegians and can be read both transcribed and in scanned versions. Many more sources can be found there, than the usual vital records, vaccination to mention one. These sources are all accessible for free. We will show you how to use technology in translating different kinds of text and how to write all the letters in the Norwegian alphabet, which has 29 letters. We will talk about Norwegian naming patterns and we will show how to optimize searching to find what you need more easily.

Liv is a lecturer in both her home country of Norway and the U.S. and a member of APG, she is a popular webinar speaker for international audiences. Liv specializes in her grandparents’ home counties, establishing provenance of family heirlooms, identifying persons and places in photographs, and discovering DNA proof of lineage.


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20 October 2018 (Saturday) Slow Down – Planning Your Research with Fiona Brooker. The live broadcast starts at 9pm Eastern US (New York), 8pm Central US (Chicago), 7pm Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 6pm Pacific US (Los Angeles).

It’s so exciting! You’ve just received a new certificate and have new family names. There’s so much new research to do and before you know it, it’s 2am and somehow you missed dinner. Finding new family can be exciting, but sometimes it pays to slow down and plan your research.

As an addicted family historian for over 30 years, Fiona is now breaking through brick walls with DNA and making connections with new family members. As a professional genealogist (Memories in Time) She’s helping others get started; get through road blocks; find family; get organised and find heirs to estates.



22 October 2018 Mondays with Myrt Our flagship webinar, where we talk about anything and everything that’s come across our genea-desks in the last week. The live broadcast starts at Noon Eastern US (New York), 11am Central US (Chicago), 10am Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 9am Pacific US (Los Angeles)

24 Oct 2018 (Wednesday) The Archive Lady  The live broadcast starts at 9pm Eastern US (New York), 8pm Central US (Chicago), 7pm Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 6pm Pacific US (Los Angeles).

PromoSHOAa Halloween Spooktacular29 October 2018 Mondays with Myrt  Halloween Spooktacular. Prizes for the best costumes. MwM is our flagship webinar, where we talk about anything and everything that’s come across our genea-desks in the last week. The live broadcast starts at Noon Eastern US (New York), 11am Central US (Chicago), 10am Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 9am Pacific US (Los Angeles).

AmericaGen Study Group31 October 2018 AmericaGen Study Group tackles Chapter 12 “Compiled Sources and Newspapers” from Val Greenwood’s The Researchers Guide to American Genealogy, 2017 (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company.) The live broadcast starts at Noon Eastern US (New York), 11am Central US (Chicago), 10am Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 9am Pacific US (Los Angeles).

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ISBGFH: Mini-Institute Aug 2018, Philadelphia

ISBGFHResearching Family in the British Isles

The Historical Society of Pennsylvania (HSP) has partnered with the International Society for British Genealogy and Family History (ISBGFH) to conduct a four day program of researching family in the British Isles. ISBGFH conducts the British Institute held annually in Salt Lake City to provide week-long education by well-known genealogists on the British Isles. From 13-16 August 2018, the ISBGFH has arranged for several presenters to provide an overview of researching British Isles topics at the Historical Society of Pennsylvania. These presentations will explore DNA, Scotland, Ireland and England research. London based genetic genealogist Dr. Maurice Gleeson, MB, will present on DNA and Irish research, Christine Woodcock, from Genealogy Tours of Scotland, will discuss Scottish research, and Frank Southcott, President, ISBGFH, will explore the English records.

The HSP program is designed to be attended either on a given day and topic or in its entirety. It is an in-depth overview of British Isles research and enhances attendance for those who may desire to attend the British Institute where morning instruction and afternoon independent research are conducted in the LDS Family History Library in Salt Lake City on a country topic. More information about the British Institute is available HERE

The HSP curriculum for each day involves 4 presentations of one hour and fifteen minutes each. Monday, 13 August 2018, Dr Gleeson, MB, will explore advances made in DNA and how it can be applied to your British Isles research. Christine Woodcock will discuss the uniqueness of Scottish research on Tuesday, 14 August 2018. Dr. Gleeson will return on Wednesday, 15 August 2018, to present on the ever increasing resources available on Irish research, and Thursday, 16 August 2018, Frank Southcott, will examine English genealogical resources.

The cost of the four day program will be $299. Individual program days are available for $99 per day. Limited consultation slots will be available on DNA, Scotland and Ireland during the program for $125 hour.

DNA Instructor: Dr Maurice GleesonMaurice Gleeson

  • An introduction to DNA testing for Genealogy
    This introductory talk will explain the basics of DNA testing, the three main types of test, how each one can be applied in practice (with examples), and which one is best for you to specifically address your genealogical conundrums.
  • Using Y-DNA to research your surname of choice
    Anyone can research any particular surname (i.e. family name) that they want – you just need to find the right cousin to test. Y-DNA is eminently suited to surname research because it follows the same path as hereditary surnames i.e. back along the father father father line. This talk explores surname DNA studies and what they can reveal about your surname
  • Applying autosomal DNA to your family history research – the theory
    The most popular of the DNA tests is the autosomal test. This can be used to research all of your ancestral lines (as opposed to Y-DNA and mitochondrial DNA which only help you explore a single ancestral line each). This talk explores the basic science behind autosomal DNA testing, the secrets to successfully applying it, and how it can be combined with other tests and genealogy to help answer specific genealogical questions.
  • Applying autosomal DNA to your family history research – the practice
    This is a more in-depth look at the use of autosomal DNA, including a step-by-step approach to tackling your matches, the concept of triangulation, the use of third party tools, and how techniques used to help adoptees trace their birth family can also help us to break thru our genealogical Brick Walls.

Scottish Genealogy Instructor Christine WoodcockChristine Woodcock

  • In Search of Your Scottish Ancestors: Search Your Roots; Discover Your Heritage
    While many people want to know more about their Scottish heritage, they don’t know where to begin. Fortunately, researching our Scottish ancestors is a fairly easy task. Knowing where to look is usually where we get tied up. This presentation will get you started in researching your Scottish ancestry as well as how to make the most of your research. Topics Include: starting your search, reaching out to others, ScotlandsPeople website, Scottish naming patterns, marriages and family history societies.
  • Breaking Through Brick Walls in Scottish Research
    Scottish documents contain a wealth of information and can make researching so much easier when you really take a look at what the documents are telling you. It becomes important to really pay attention to the key words on the documents so that you know what records you need to look at next in order to break through brick walls and learn as much as you can about your Scottish ancestors. In this presentation we will look at the key words on the documents that may help break down the brick wall. Then we will look at where those records exist and how you can access them.
  • Online and Offline Databases for Scottish Genealogy Research
    There comes a time when you have done all of the online researching you can do using the standard databases. In this presentation you will learn of the databases that aren’t as well know but that can assist in breaking through your brick walls. These include: websites for researching Scottish occupations, websites specific to the genealogy of regions where your ancestors might have lived, emigration databases, military databases, witchcraft databases, medieval ancestry, and British newspapers.
  • Military Men, Covenanters and Jacobites: Historic Events That Led to Mass Migration
    This session will help you understand the importance of the events in Scottish history that led to a large number of Scots leaving their homeland for life in the Americas. In order to be successful researching in the Scottish records, we need to know where in Scotland our ancestors originated. Bridging the gap between finding them in the North American records (birth, marriage, death and census records) and being able to locate them in the Scottish records may seem like a daunting task. However, it is often less of a challenge and more of a reward if you understand what brought them here in the first place. Some clues can be taken from the major historic events in Scottish history that led to Scots leaving their homeland.

Irish Research Instructor Dr Maurice Gleeson

Maurice Gleeson


  • Tracing Your Ancestors Back to Ireland
    For many Irish-Americans, all they know is their ancestor “came from Ireland” but they have no further information than that. This talk gives an overview of the various techniques & records available in the US (and elsewhere) that can be used to help trace your ancestor back to where they came from in Ireland. These include shipping records, emigration records, but also surname dictionaries and distribution maps.
  • Irish Church and Civil Registration Records
    In the last year or so, many of the civil registration records are coming online. Most of these are now available for free via and digital images of the original record can be downloaded. Civil registration started in 1864 for most records. Prior to this, one has to rely on church records for tracing further back and these can be very helpful indeed or not at all – coverage is patchy and most records peter out around 1800-1830. However, all of Ireland is covered by two websites and most of this research can be done from the comfort of your own home.
  • Census, Census Substitutes, and Land Records
    Census records survive for only 1901 and 1911, with some scraps from other years. Griffith’s Valuation can be very helpful as a mid-1800 census substitute but it is the Cancelled or Revised Valuation Books that provide a wealth of information that allow tracing relatives forward and backward from the present day to the 1850s. We will also look at the Tithe Applotment books and the Registry of Deeds.
  • Less Common Irish Genealogical Records
    This talk explores the wealth of genealogical material to be found in newspapers, cemeteries, probate, petty session court records, & dog licenses. We will also explore some of the resources that everyone should be using as a routine part of their ongoing Irish research.

English Research Instructor Frank Southcott
Frank Southcott

  • Researching Your Family in England: Census and National Registration
    A useful England census has been conducted every 10 years since 1841 and is accessible through 1911. It is the primary resource to establish families in England during that period. England also conducted a national registration in 1939 as an ancillary of WWII. Both of these resources will be explored during this session.
  • Researching Your Family in England: Civil Registration
    Civil registration of birth, marriages and deaths commenced on 1 July 1837. Explore the records and idiosyncrasies of the registration process in England and how to obtain the information for your family.
  • Researching Your Family in England: Wills and Church Records
    Wills survive from early times. Baptisms, marriages and burials survive in a great number of parishes from the mid-1500’s. This session will explore the available probate and church records and the wealth of information that can be derived.
  • Researching English Family at the Historical Society of Pennsylvania
    Many people are surprised at the vast collection of British Isles records available at the Historical Society of Pennsylvania library. Explore the records and resources available for British Isles family research at HSP with Daniel Rolph, PhD, Historian and Head of Reference Services.


ARCHIVED: Mondays with Myrt – 2 Apr 2018


Cousin Russ was away on a cruise for “spring break”. We tried valiantly to go forward, and thanks to Hilary Gadsby who stepped up and kept track of comments. Thank you all for another jam-packed episode.


10:02:51 From Janine Edmée Hakim : no hot sand under my toes…just more snw!!
10:03:02 From Shelley Murphy : Good afternoon to all! (I am at work can’t be on the panel)
10:03:05 From Bill West : Good morning from snowy Massachusetts.
10:03:39 From Gloria Deison : Morning! (Afternoon here). I have, just today, found my great great grandpa’s obituary (kinda) from 1907. Super happy!
10:03:46 From JoAnn Lawrence to All panelists : Good Afternoon from snowy New Jersey
10:05:08 From HilaryGadsby : To share with everyone post to all panellists and attendees please
10:05:21 From Jackie Wilson : Good morning everyone! The snow missed Chicago! But now partly cloudy and 39F
10:06:06 From RandySeaver to All panelists : it’s my morning choc chip cookie
10:06:48 From HilaryGadsby : I had such a busy March still have posts to write from all the genealogy events I attended
10:07:10 From Gloria Deison : Doing something for the genealogy community for free: I’m transcribing the 1857 census from a town in Italy (updated) .. slowly but I’ll do it all…
10:07:27 From RandySeaver : Today’s Amanuensis Monday post is
10:07:33 From Robbin Smith : @gloria wow!

10:07:35 From Shelley Murphy : I am enjoying the show on BYUTV called Relative Race!
10:07:39 From June Butka to All panelists : I follow Julie’s prompt. Adjective’s makes it a challenge. Essentials of Life is Family. I’m an inconsistent blogger. i go back to her prompts to help write our stories at my space.
10:08:56 From Jackie Chalmers : Am very happy to be viewing live today – 2am in Lismore Australia!
10:09:44 From Mary Cooper : I also love Relative Race.
10:10:32 From Doris Haskell : Melinda is speaking for me.
10:10:39 From Jackie Wilson : Melinda, why not try journaling about the reason why you don’t want your blog to go live?
10:11:04 From Sheryl Zeringue to All panelists : Hello from South Louisiana.
10:11:58 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : That’s right. He did say he was going on another Disney cruise w/family.
10:13:09 From RandySeaver : I wondered if Russ’s FB post was an April Fools Day joke, but decided it was probably true since he was in Miami at the time. He may have daughter and grandkids with him and Patti
10:13:17 From Yvonne Demoskoff : Myrt asked Melinda a good question about if she worried what others would think of her blog – I sometimes feel that what I write isn’t as good or as important as what others write.
10:15:03 From Shelley Murphy : I have to catch up with my 52ancestors52weeks. I am two weeks behind.
10:15:06 From Kathy Ruther to All panelists : Joining live for the first time today. I’m not a blogger, but I’m intrigued! How do you use it?
10:15:20 From RandySeaver : Most of my blog posts are really a “first draft.” With the blog, I can edit, correct typos, etc. No editor but me! I don’t worry about being wrong – someone will correct me!
10:16:38 From HilaryGadsby : Joining live for the first time today. I’m not a blogger, but I’m intrigued! How do you use it? from Kathy
10:17:02 From Gloria Deison : I have decided to use my blog to spotlight some interesting finds, to educate people on how to read and use italian records and to transcribe some.
10:17:55 From Bill West : Having a public blog is great cousin bait. I have people contacting me about a common ancestor because they found one of my posts from years ago.

10:18:58 From RandySeaver : I just had a comment on a 52 Ancestors post from two years ago saying we were cousins and thanking me for a probate transcription. Every little bit helps.

10:20:14 From Marian Koalski : WorldConnect seems to be up now
10:20:21 From Gloria Deison : 🙂 thanks! I hope it’s also useful as cousin bait! Some of those surnames I’m transcribing are in my tree… hehe.
10:20:46 From HilaryGadsby : I had a contact via Family Search Family Tree this weekend who lives in New Zealand
10:24:12 From Betty Taylor : Are there any copyright issues with reposting information from other sites?
10:24:31 From Yvonne Demoskoff : Randy: how long does it take to transcribe those Monday records?
10:24:53 From HilaryGadsby : I usually just link to another site rather than copy
10:25:04 From MelindaCulpon to All panelists : address betty taylor’s copyright question
10:25:34 From Shelley Murphy : What is the key to transcribing the 18th century documents? should I just hire someone (LOL)
10:27:59 From Bill West : This why I use material in my blog from Googlebooks where there is no copyright.
10:29:08 From Marian Koalski : There are online “courses” in paleography (old writing). Practice makes perfect.
10:29:19 From Jackie Wilson : I took a class in copyright. I fell in love with he term ‘copy-wrong’!!!!
10:29:23 From Bill West : And I always cite the source and gove a link to where I found it.
10:30:31 From JoAnn Lawrence : I followed a family tree back to what may be my 12 great-grandfather. He was a friend to Martin Luther. I discussed this man with a well known expert on Martin Luther. The expert said yes they were friends, but my gentleman was never married. So my 12 great-grandfather would be his brother. But I found many people made this wrong connection. How can I help correction this? Would a blog help?
10:30:56 From DearMYRTLE :
10:31:33 From Danine Cozzens : I too have “someone is wrong on the internet” issues, JoAnn! (Also some published family histories.)
10:32:00 From Jackie Wilson : JoAnn – just because he never married, does not mean he did not have children.
10:32:24 From RandySeaver : Yvonne, it often takes me an hour orm ore to transcribe a record – the one I did for today took an hour to transcribe two pages of test, and 30 minutes to proof it and write the post. It’s an investment. I do them on Sunday and schedule it for Monday.
10:33:43 From Molly McKinley to All panelists : Not so far. I am really careful about documenting where I got it.
10:33:58 From Yvonne Demoskoff : Randy: That’s not too much time; thought it might take maybe half a day or so 🙂
10:34:09 From June Butka to All panelists : I not had issues of my embeded photos to date. I’m not a commercial site.
10:34:21 From HilaryGadsby : You also need to think about breaking your contract with the website providing the image
10:34:27 From Shelley Murphy : The genealogy police are always out, at least the ones that feel they need to. I typically ask if I am bringing other folks items in, other than that, its my info and materials.
10:35:36 From Molly McKinley to All panelists : I have permission from several people on Find-a-grave to use their photos. I always put on the information who took the photo and that I was given permission.
10:35:40 From Jackie Chalmers : Some Metadata (“Description’ field on a Mac) does not travel with image.
10:35:42 From RandySeaver : Yvonne, it helps that I am fairly proficvient now, and the handwriting was clear and had good contrast in that document.
10:35:54 From Doris Haskell : This is why it’s a good idea to put our signature on our photos when we post them.
10:36:09 From June Butka to All panelists : I make every attempt, even on Ancestry, asking the shared photo original poster for permission to add to my tree.
10:36:19 From Doris Haskell : Then, if someone helps themself, at least our name is there.
10:38:38 From Molly McKinley to All panelists : yes
10:38:52 From Betty Taylor : There is so much repeating of photos on Ancestry. Any hints for finding the source? It seems an impossible task.
10:39:20 From Doris Haskell : Are you signed in to GenealogyBAnk
10:39:23 From JoAnn Lawrence : Jackie and Danine, I learned that Leonard Kaiser was an Anabaptist, they never married. Leonard did have brothers with families.
10:39:33 From Deb Andrew to All panelists : You’d need to clip first, you missed a step.
10:43:20 From Shelley Murphy : I emailed Dick Eastman about reblogging some of his articles and notifications. He said to me, reblog any of them and dont reblog the ones I say not too. that was it. I beleive the best practice is just ask.
10:43:56 From MelindaCulpon :
10:45:21 From Danine Cozzens : JoAnn, I don’t think Anabaptists were required to be celibate. He may have not married for other reasons.
10:46:01 From June Butka to All panelists : What program allows you to add the citation at the bottom?
10:46:27 From Jason Holt : When you send the file to your email. Ancestry creates the citation automatically.
10:46:31 From RandySeaver : Eastman’s articles that can be republished are an excellent resource for society newsletters. Just put his copyright statement and permission statement. Some folks have asked me about my articles and I’ve never declined letting them republish.
10:46:59 From JoAnn Lawrence : I don’t know much about Anabaptist. I need to learn more.
10:47:14 From HilaryGadsby : You need to understand the copyright rules where you live if you are not in the U.S. they may be different
10:47:24 From Janine Edmée Hakim : monetizing is the province of the original creator only
10:47:43 From RandySeaver : I save my screen shots and clipped articles to my Downloads folder, rename them, and then upload them to my blog post.
10:47:55 From June Butka to All panelists : My problem is when another family members publishers a photo in a magazine and I don’t know about it. We both had the same original of my father.
10:49:41 From MelindaCulpon : Snagit is the program Pat was using for the screen shot
10:49:51 From Danine Cozzens : JoAnn, start with Wikipedia and you will find many leads. (I just went there to refresh my own recall.)
10:50:18 From RandySeaver : I use the Windows Snipping Tool to capture images.
10:51:42 From Marian Koalski : Even we Mac people need to learn to use Snipping Tool, so that we can use it on library computers
10:52:47 From Mary Lou Gravatt : The Snipping Tool is great.
10:53:18 From DearMYRTLE : Copyright in our blogging? • Text (? fair use portion) • Press releases • Before 1923 • Facts • Images • FindAGrave • Fair Use • • Watermark photographs • Screen Shot • Terms of service •
10:55:22 From June Butka to All panelists : It prevents me from posting myself.
10:55:59 From JoAnn Lawrence : My expert wrote many books on Martin Luther. He is helping me with books and other information from German or/and Latin. I’ll look any place to help me made the correction connection. Thanks for your help.
10:57:18 From HilaryGadsby : June it depends on your relationship to the person who took the photograph as we just discussed
10:58:01 From RandySeaver : June, why does it prevent you from posting? When was the photo taken?
11:04:47 From Shelley Murphy : I know of a Mr. MClaren that works for FTDNA, he is always at the conferences wearing his skilt. He is from Loudoun Co. VA.
11:09:28 From Shelley Murphy : I miss Cousin Russ!
11:09:51 From Marian Koalski : John Laws, you’re right about too-fast demos, which are very common. I think that’s why we appreciate Geoff Rasmussen’s demos — well-paced with clear mouse movements.

11:11:28 From Bill West : I LOVE probate Records!
11:12:37 From June Butka to All panelists : Actually I published it on my blog of my father. I have th origianl. I shared the photo with my siblings. She was accepted for a Rememince article that said no one could use the photo she submitted. I haad posted on my blog before her article was accepted. I chose to remove from my blog, so my siters atricle could be published I now need to remeber not to publish it in future articles. Mine was post 4 years ago.
11:13:00 From Jason Holt : I am preparing for a family reunion. I have that side of the tree as up to date as we can. 2 questions 1. What activities can we do to encourage discussion amongst the relatives. 2. should I publish a basic book now to have ready for event or wait and get pics/stories and publish after.
11:13:16 From Shelley Murphy : Me too @BillWest
11:17:11 From Bill West : One of my ancesto’s land boundary is described as “running higgeldy-piggeldy” along a bank of a brook. Made me grin when I read that in the probate file.
11:18:14 From Shelley Murphy : That is what they know and lived by.
11:20:00 From Marian Koalski : Jas…, I would try a small booklet that includes your email address to hand out at the reunion, so that everyone goes home at least knowing how to send you updates. Maybe you could trade the booklets for their own email addresses?

11:20:41 From DearMYRTLE : NGS to livestream 10 lectures
11:20:45 From Shelley Murphy : My home town
11:21:28 From RandySeaver : My blog post today is – has links to two earlier posts on this estate
11:22:52 From Shelley Murphy : I will see you there
11:23:49 From Marian Koalski : Jas…, This is a video of a discussion of things to do at reunions BlackProGen LIVE! Ep 49: It’s a Family Reunion: From Planning to Renewed Bonds

11:23:53 From Paul S to All panelists : Dear Myrt, Would it ever be possible for you to go through “a day in the life of Pat/Dear Myrtle”… as far as the work you do on your own, plus all the webcasts and work with the community…! How on Earth do you have time?

NOTE from DearMYRTLE: Wouldn’t it be great if we had an extra 10-12 hours a day!

11:24:51 From Renate Sanders: I made a post with a similar question a few months ago. The person had my family on the tree, but when I reached out to them, they had no idea why they were on their or what their connection was. Their comment was something like – “I have over 20,000 on my tree, How am I supposed to know who they all are?”

11:28:22 From Jackie Wilson : Thanks for doing the GreekGen Study Group – this is perfect timing for me. I found a DNA match that has a recent Greek immigrant!!!!
11:28:33 From RandySeaver : Renate, we all make them and we can usually figure them out.
11:28:49 From Renate Sanders : LOL… I know. They are so embarrassing though! 🙂
11:29:21 From Shelley Murphy : I am okay with folks having over 20k, it is up to me to verify if it is going into my tree.
11:30:34 From Renate Sanders : @Shelley I was reaching out to the person to see how we were connected. You know – looking for cousins, etc. So, I wasn’t trying to add to my tree, necessarily.
11:31:25 From Janine Edmée Hakim : I assumed your post was an April Fools
11:31:26 From Shelley Murphy : @Renate, not referencing that, it was responding to the dialog that was on the screen.
11:31:36 From Robbin Smith : what is the url for the tony proctor’s webinar?
11:34:00 From HilaryGadsby : Go to Myrt’s Musings blog for this months webinars
11:34:26 From Robbin Smith : thx
11:34:37 From RandySeaver : Robbin –

11:35:11 From Renate Sanders : That’s really great! I didn’t realize the comments were archived.
11:35:35 From June Butka to All panelists : Great job everyone.
11:35:49 From Kathy Ruther to All panelists : Thank you!
11:35:57 From HilaryGadsby : If I miss one I watch on YouTube and follow the comments on the blog
11:35:57 From Janine Edmée Hakim : Thumbs up
11:36:04 From Shelley Murphy : Have a good afternoon! Thanks Myrt and the Panel.
11:36:13 From Cheryl Garrett : Thank you! This has been a great discussion.
11:36:35 From JoAnn Lawrence : Thanks, have a great week
11:38:56 From Jason Holt : Thank you Marian!

History of England Lyttleton 1804
11:39:14 From Jackie Wilson : John, Can you give the info about the English History book?
11:43:31 From DearMYRTLE : The Modern History of England by George Courtney Lyttleton 1804
11:44:16 From Jackie Wilson :
11:46:16 From DearMYRTLE :

See also: A companion and key to the history of England; consisting of copious ...

11:50:12 From Jason Holt : you should see the cost of a new school text book!

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ARCHIVED: Albion’s Seed: England to Virginia

This week’s discussion follows the folkways of those from “The South of England to Virginia: Distressed Cavaliers and Indentured Servants 1642-75.” Attendees had ancestors whose grandchildren migrated to inland areas of Virginia, Tennessee and Kentucky. We compared and the generalizations between this migration group and the possible push/pull factors of our known ancestors.

Ol’ Myrt notes one could spend weeks on this chapter, culling through footnotes for statistical sources and personal recollections.


Albion’s Seed: Four British Folkways in America by David Hackett Fischer. 1989 (New York: Oxford University Press). Paperback available from

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00:21:15 Betty-Lu Burton: Hi Shelley
00:21:18 Gena Philibert-Ortega: Good evening!
00:21:20 MelissaBarker: Hello Everyone!
00:21:45 ellen bentley: Good Evening from SouthCentral WA ST
00:22:19 Kathleen Newbill: Greetings from Oregon… 🙂
00:22:42 Chris Padgett: Hello from Kentucky 🙂
00:22:42 angie wilderman: Hi from Virginia
00:23:24 Shelley Murphy: Hi Angie, where are you in Virginia?
00:23:29 Linda Schreiber: Hi, from Michigan!
00:23:57 Shelley Murphy: HI Cousin Russ
00:25:12 angie wilderman: Chesterfield
00:25:56 Jacqueline Wilson: The war with Cromwell

Primogeniture is the right, by law or custom, of the paternally acknowledged, firstborn son to inherit his parent’s entire or main estate, in preference to daughters, elder illegitimate sons, younger sons and collateral relatives. Source:

00:25:56 Linda Schreiber: Primogeniture!
00:25:56 Kathleen Newbill: They lost the war to Cromwell!
00:25:57 Chris Padgett: Revolution?
00:26:20 Deb Andrew: Not enough money.
00:26:31 Betty-Lu Burton: Younger sons tend to be left out of inheriting land so they needed to find land to continue their lifestyle
00:41:54 Cousin Russ: Stratford Hall
00:42:08 ellen bentley: one of my favorites houses in VA Gunston Hall
00:44:10 ellen bentley: The lots of the Shenandoah is German influenced. [Indeed, another migration group.]

00:46:17 Stephanie Kay: One of my best friends from college currently owns Presqu’Isle ( in Culpeper County, Virginia. They are trying to rebuild and preserve the history, especially the history of enslaved persons, so, if anyone has any ancestors in the area, be sure to look into them.

Horse drawn carriage

IMAGE: Horse drawn carriage via

00:47:11 Betty-Lu Burton: The location of the church would be one of the folkways. The Cavaliers would be use to traveling to church and also would have the means to travel whereas in the other areas the people were not as well to do and tended to need to walk to church
00:47:54 Peggy Lauritzen: After Jamestown and the Tidewater areas were settled, it would be 125 years before we moved much further inward.

00:48:15 Chris Padgett: The map on the right looks a lot like many of the places in Kentucky where my ancestors settled when they came from Virginia.

Puritan vs Cavalier settlement ways

IMAGE: Sketched by DearMYRTLE.

00:51:28 Peggy Lauritzen: Many of the indentured servants didn’t live to see their freedom. They were treated harshly. They were coming from a colder, wetter climate and coming to an area that felt near tropic. It is so hot and humid in that area of the US.

00:51:35 Betty-Lu Burton: The indentures moving west and building a different type of community would be an example of how folkways change. Folkways can change as the population changes.

00:53:07 Shelley Murphy: “obey”….Mr. Myrt is listening-LOL
00:54:17 Linda Schreiber: Love Betty Lou’s last comment!
00:54:42 Shelley Murphy: Interesting Betty Lou!

00:54:50 ellen bentley: [Ellen speaks of a different migration group – that from England to Maryland] “The original St. Mary’s settlement was laid out according to a Baroque town plan, with the settlers living closely in a town with church, stores and homes close by and outlying farms, fields, woods and orchards laid out in a grid or strips of land. However, most residents of St. Mary’s City later preferred to live on their tobacco plantations in the surrounding countryside. The settlement was meant to be the capital of the new Maryland Colony and Province of Maryland. Source:,_Maryland

Bridewell Prison

IMAGE: The Prospect of Bridewell from John Strype’s, An Accurate Edition of Stow’s Survey of London (1720), Public Domain. ( : viewed 1 Feb 2018.)

00:55:27 Peggy Lauritzen: Many of the indentured came from Bridewell, a “type” of prison. And, many of them were children. They thought they were doing the poor parents a favor by bringing them here after housing them in Bridewell. Some are listed on London Lives website.

London Lives

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00:56:40 Shelley Murphy: oh yes they were uppity!
00:57:19 Peggy Lauritzen: A fascinating book on legitimacies that follows a case study is “Ann Orthwood’s Bastard” It was a man’s thesis, and he turned it into a book. Filled with sources to the court documents – eastern Maryland.

Sir William Berkeley

IMAGE: Sir William Berkeley (1605 – 9 July 1677) was a colonial governor of Virginia & a favorite of Charles II. Source:

00:57:35 Shelley Murphy: Who was making the wigs?
00:58:17 Danine Cozzens: Wigmakers.
00:58:28 Shelley Murphy: Berkeley County, VA, now West Virginia.
00:58:35 DaveRobison: That’s definitiely a wig! He was probably bald!!
00:59:09 Shelley Murphy: yes wigmakers, but did they hold any special status because of their profession?
00:59:18 angie wilderman: wigmaker: perukemaker?
01:00:00 Danine Cozzens: peruke a subtype of wigs
01:00:10 angie wilderman: yum
01:00:29 Chris Padgett: Yes
01:00:31 Deb Andrew: Need some grits with the hominy
01:01:09 Kathleen Newbill: As far as I know, my family came over indentured as headrights.

Stratford Hall Plantation

IMAGE: The Lee Family’s Stratford Hall Plantation. Source:

01:01:20 DearMYRTLE: See also:
01:01:28 Danine Cozzens: Wigmaker status would be similar to fabric merchant or tailor, I expect. Independent merchant.

IMAGE: WikiMedia Commons

01:01:31 Shelley Murphy: I have a good hominy casserole recipe -and now I need to make it, its been years.
01:01:35 Peggy Lauritzen: Headrights were a terrible scheme.
01:01:40 Betty-Lu Burton: My family was northerners. the closest would be Sir Richard Ridgeway, but he had converted to Quaker and immigrated to New Jersey
01:01:51 Peggy Lauritzen: Usually everyone received land except the indentured.
01:01:54 angie wilderman: shrimp and grits….
01:04:24 Shelley Murphy: Manchester is close to my folks. Lancashire.
01:05:10 Chris Padgett: I found maps from the Library of Virginia that showed where different ancestors settled by county
01:05:25 ellen bentley: My people settled in King and Queen, Essex and other areas of the Middle Peninsula/Northern Neck. Bush, Bibby, Wood, Storey Ward, Fielding, Moore, Bush, Bibb.
01:05:32 Peggy Lauritzen: Chris, I have seen some of those same maps.
01:05:49 Betty-Lu Burton: You need to remember that the wealthy tended to marry other wealthy and sometimes they would travel in England for the marriage. So the father’s family could be from they southern part of England and the mother’s family be from the northern area of England.
01:06:02 Shelley Murphy: There’s my house…off 64.
01:06:21 ellen bentley: I grew up on The Patuxent in a Quaker village [A more northern migration pattern we will discuss next week.]
01:07:05 Peggy Lauritzen: St. Mary’s City…where my indentures came in as young boys.
01:07:14 angie wilderman: Westover/Berkley and others in Charles City area… Batteaus.
01:08:57 ellen bentley: Sandy Spring. MD
01:10:41 Peggy Lauritzen: The Howards!!!! They’re in my line!
01:11:04 MelissaBarker: My LeMaster settled in St. Mary’s and Charles County, MD.
01:11:04 Peggy Lauritzen:
01:11:19 Peggy Lauritzen: Melissa, my Goddards were there!
01:11:37 Betty-Lu Burton: So Russ your Ridgsays settled in Little Egg Harbour
01:11:40 Kathleen Newbill: Where is the Dragon Swamp?
01:11:45 MelissaBarker: They lived at a place called Betty’s Delight.
01:12:12 ellen bentley: no just passed it
01:12:33 Betty-Lu Burton: I did not know their was 2 Ridgway lines. I thought they all came through Sir Richard Ridgway
01:14:07 angie wilderman: Lots of Huguenots in the Henrico area.

01:16:11 Cousin Russ: 20% off on Great Migration books at the New England Historic Genealogical Society
01:16:14 Jacqueline Wilson: Did you ever create the spreadsheet you mentioned creating last time? [This is for you to do, Jacqueline, as you see fit.]
01:16:17 Deb Andrew: The narrator on the audible version has a very nice voice and easy to follow.
001:18:33 Cousin Russ: And our conversation continues here
01:19:05 Shelley Murphy: Enjoyed! See you all on 2/7! Thank you
01:19:08 angie wilderman: thanks so much.
01:19:14 Chris Padgett: Thank you and have a good evening. I’ll be back on 3/7.
01:19:17 Peggy Lauritzen: Thank you, Pat and Russ!

We learn by comparing and contrasting the history and culture of a community with others. Though you may not have early British immigrants to America, this study group offers ideas about what folkways to look for. The ones marked with a red asterisk below are those I’ll tend to focus on during our discussions in this series.

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