ARCHIVED: Mondays with Myrt 30 July 2018


What’s the “After Party?” It’s when we stop the webinar recording, but continue talking. This time, we discussed Pat Kuhn’s craft YouTube channel (awesome!) and one of Ol’ Myrt’s ancestors whose probate packet indicated he had $13,000US in the bank when he died. We’ve included the Dollar Times Inflation Calculator link below that indicated the buying power in 2018 dollars is over $165,000US. Wow.

Among our topics today:

  • What are you collecting?
  • RootsWeb Mailing Lists Help
  • Ancestry’s “We’re Related” smart phone app
  • Randy Seaver’s Finding a 1916 California death certificate in FamilySearch’s digital image collection
  • DearMYRTLE’s DAR application – she’s gathering 2 more required documents
  • Blaine Bettinger’s DNA-Central Webinars
  • True Lewis’ 2 favorite DNA apps



10:01:53 From Deb Andrew : Good morning.
10:01:54 From Janine Edmée Hakim : Good Noon time Myrt and Russ
10:01:59 From Sheryl Zeringue to All panelists : Hello from South Louisiana
10:02:30 From Cousin Russ : DearMYRTLE’s Calendar
10:02:53 From Hilary Gadsby : I need to watch those sessions as I have people who emigrated to Canada
10:03:07 From JoAnn Lawrencw : Good afternoon from New Jersey
10:03:26 From Cousin Russ : GeneaWebinars Calendar of Hangouts, Webinars and Online Chats this coming week:
10:03:36 From Danine Cozzens : I’m in. Got a couple of brick walls in Canada. Great topic!
10:04:29 From Hilary Gadsby to All panelists : There is someone with a birthday in the attendees today.
10:04:37 From Launa Droescher : I’ve been trying to catch her very good

Ethnicity graphic created by DearMYRTLE

DearMYRTLE and Cousin Russ recognize the United Nations’ International Decade for People of African Descent 2015-2024. We reach out to _all_ regardless of race, color, creed, sexual orientation or national origin with support for researching family and documenting cultural inheritance.

10:06:15 From Dave Robison  : The Springfield Museum is named “Museum of Springfield History AND Archives.” WMGS has a private tour this Wednesday.
10:07:35 From Bill West : Good morning from sunny southeastern Massachusetts.

What are you collecting?
10:08:44 From June Butka : My mother’s Thumble collection from her travels, is one of my favorites. Each one tells it’s own story.
10:09:15 From Michelle Minner : I collected baseball ticket stubs from my grandfather, and great grandfather! weird, but important to me!
10:11:11 From Cousin Russ : Cousin Russ’ A Worthington Weblog:
10:12:19 From cyndy Bray : I have the program from my Grandmothers 1907 graduation ceremony

10:13:06 From Cousin Russ : The Cemetery Keeper’s Wife
10:13:56 From Graham Walter : My father’s credit plate for a local department store Adelaide [South Australia] – (1930’s). Pre credit card time
10:14:05 From June Butka : The same for Henrietta Lacks story. a great book to read mis The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks by Rebecca Skloot.
10:16:20 From Cousin Russ : WE’RE RELATED
10:17:58 From Cousin Russ :

10:20:58 From Cousin Russ : This is a good article. Follow the link for more information. Shays’ Rebellion
10:22:59 From Deb Andrew : I have a rubber duck, and it wasn’t from a child.
10:24:13 From Dave Robison : In spite of the lack of records from the 18th and 19th centuries, I have a written record of the marriage of my 2nd great grandparents. “Advice to a Married Couple”
10:24:47 From Dave Robison : We used metal plates at a gas station where I worked in the late 60s.
10:24:49 From Graham Walter : similar to a military dog-tag in size [YES!]
10:24:57 From Danine Cozzens : I have vintage jewelry that belonged to my mom, grandmothers, and great aunt. And I wear it for historic and vintage dress up.
10:25:00 From Kathleen Daetsch : I have my mother’s WWII ration stamps
10:25:22 From Rachel Evans  My great-grandmother used to sing and dance in the NYC area when she was younger. I have programs from some of her performances.
10:25:35 From Hilary Gadsby : I have programmes for the shows that I was performing in at school.
10:26:14 From Barbara Gressel  : Her descendants came to Missouri State. A wonderful story. All of the students were required to read about Henrietta Lacks.
10:28:48 From Robbin Smith: I have my fathers report card from Xavier in NYC and his dog tags from navy service, and certificate of his crossing the dateline
10:29:00 From Robbin Smith : He served in WWII
10:29:12 From Danine Cozzens : I’ve also collected vintage postcards of the towns where my ancestors lived.
10:30:21 From Bill West : I have the high school newspaper editions I wrote for as well as the science fiction fanzines with my articles and stories. Presently, as a retiree, I collect dust. 🙂
10:31:10 From Randy Seaver: Besides dead ancestors, I assume?
10:32:04 From Mary Lou Gravatt : I have a fire insurance policy for my great-grandparents farm dated 6 Feb 1894 the policy unfolds to a very large document. I always worked in the insurance industry. I have many documents for my various families.
10:33:07 From Randy Seaver : My great-grandparents invested in some Russian company back in the early 1900s (before the 1917 revolution) and my daughter (who speaks russian) claimed them and displays them on her office wall
10:33:22 From Randy Seaver : I never put a tree on Rootsweb WorldConnect

10:33:38 From Cousin Russ : RootsWeb Mailing Lists Help
10:39:03 From Randy Seaver : My blog post link for finding a 1916 California death certificate on FamilySearch digital microfilm is
10:41:05 From Dave Robison : You’ve got Randy’s attention!

7 & 8 June 2019 at the NEC in Birmingham, England
Mr. Myrt and I will be there!

10:44:35 From Graham Walter : I’ll certainly be going to Birmingham 🙂

2018 Family History Expo original virtual
10:45:32 From Cousin Russ : Upcoming Family History Expos Virtual Conference offerings
10:45:33 From Hilary Gadsby : Will be great to catch up again Graham
10:45:48 From Graham Walter : sounds good
10:45:49 From Dave Robison : I like the “regular” people angle. That’s the premise for “Genealogy Road Show” on PBS with Mary Tedesco, Kenyatta Berry and Josh Taylor.
10:45:50 From Randy Seaver : genies are foodies!!!
10:47:36 From DAVID TAYLOR : Looks like a great Conference

MyHeritage LIVE Oslo 2018
10:49:01 From Graham Walter :
10:49:57 From June Butka : Thankfully the fire alarm that went off was just bumped by the Insulation people. No Fire. . I will catch up in the archieve. for what I missed.
10:50:23 From Dave Robison : BeforeI forget…again…Audrey Collins will be at the TIARA conference in Boston in August.
10:50:28 From Liv Christensen : The Norwegian MyHeritage event is the biggest genealogy event ever.
10:51:05 From Yvonne Demoskoff : Thanks, Myrt!
10:51:15 From Graham Walter : 🙂
10:51:15 From Pamela Wells : It’s my birthday today, too!
10:51:33 From Yvonne Demoskoff : Happy birthday, Pamela!
10:51:33 From Cousin Russ : Randy Seaver’s Finding a 1916 California death certificate on FamilySearch digital microfilm is
10:54:08 From Pamela Wells : Thank you, Yvonne!
10:55:06 From Danine Cozzens : Excellent step by step accounting, Randy!
10:55:20 From Robbin Smith : agreed

11:08:27 From Randy Seaver : The takeaway for me is that I SHOULD check the digital microfilm on FamilySearch Catalog EVERY time I look for a record.

11:09:05 From June Butka : I wish I had that luck with my Isiah Pease search.
11:10:18 From June Butka : I found land records, however the Maine Archieve can’t find the information the catalog or the record name any longer.
11:12:35 From Dave Robison : I’m the Registrar for the Pomeroy Chapter of the SAR. We can’t use applications approved prior to 1985! We can use them for guidance, but we have to “fill in the blanks!”
11:15:34 From Dave Robison : Russ, the SAR preparation manual outlines the GPS on page 3.
11:16:20 From Dave Robison : They call it the “genealogical proof argument”

11:19:33 From Valerie Lisk: Mentioning DNA, True had previously, on another webinar, mentioned two apps she used for sorting her matches. One was an ancestry app and one was a google extension. True, what are the name of those please?
11:22:15 From Valerie Lisk : Black Pro gen Live
11:22:22 From June Butka : Thank you, the extention information will be helpful.
11:22:39 From Valerie Lisk : Thanks True!
11:22:46 From Cousin Russ : John you are here, You need to turn your camera on.

11:24:20 From Cousin Russ : Blaine Bettinger’s DNA-Central Webinars

DNA Central Webinars
11:24:57 From Cousin Russ : MedBetterDNA

DearMYRTLE’s DAR Application is in process.
11:25:16 From Barbara LaMarche to All panelists : As a 10 member of DAR and past Registrar, I am so exited to hear your news ! DAR is a fabulous sisterhood that provides service around the world and preserves our family histories. I serve on the Veteran’s committee.

11:32:50 From Robbin Smith : Online Idaho Death Records & Indexes
11:33:11 From Crystal Toenjes : I’m happy to hear about your good experience with finishing your DAR paperwork. I’ve been working for more than six years, and there always seems to be some small thing missing from my proofs to finish my application. I’m now researching my sixth potential DAR Patriot, and really hope this one will finally work out since he is also a gateway ancestor for the Mayflower Society.
11:33:28 From Deb Andrew : Do scanned copies work or are originals needed?

11:34:00 From Barbara LaMarche : Yes, thank you. We collect supplies for our local Veterans home and the Wounded Warrior Project. We help our community celebrate all our patriot holidays serving refreshments at parades. Also, our quilters make quilts for our older local Vets and the rest of us supply fabric etc to our talented quilters. We also participate in Wreaths Around the World for the graves of Veterans in our local cemetery at Christmas time . Love all of you at Dear Myrtle. I have learned soooo much over the years.
11:35:31 From True Lewis : Scanned Copies of the Originals are acceptable.

Is DearMYRTLE committing a copyright infringement by including a page from the LDS Church’s The Friend in her weekly letter to her grandchildren? What about no attribution showing up on her screen shot from hre RootsMagic genealogy software?

11:35:41 From Robbin Smith : for personal use I think is okay
11:35:55 From Danine Cozzens : But it’s personal use.
11:36:06 From Devon Lee : We’re encouraged to use these items in our Primary classes. So, what’s the difference in a family share?
11:36:14 From Maria Tegtmeier : I think that as long as you are not trying to earn money from it, you are ok.
11:36:22 From Deb Andrew : It could be a violations, unless they stated upfront that it is given a release.
11:36:29 From Doris Haskell : You can share with your grandchildren. NO problem.
11:36:37 From June Butka : If you are using it for family only not publishing. is not infringing. Nothing being sold. or published you shuld be okay.
11:36:42 From Randy Seaver : fair use to copy it and use it for personal information and education, but don’t publish it
11:37:56 From Deb Andrew : Always write and asked, to be on the safe side.
11:38:05 From June Butka : Is it a problem to request use from LDS?
11:38:20 From Randy Seaver : Check the book for usage restrictions, and if there are some, ask for permission to use it broadly
11:38:48 From True Lewis : Your Welcome Valerie –
11:40:13 From Randy Seaver : I found only the baseball bat on the image.
11:40:27 From True Lewis : Crystal do you have a Registrar helping you? Someone in your local area should be able to guide you. You may need a extra pair of eyes.
11:40:31 From Devon Lee : Ha. I have the screen too small to find the items.
11:41:59 From Marcia Philbrick : Re: Screenshots — When the screen shot is of our database in RootsMagic, do we have to get permission from RootsMagic?
11:42:35 From Devon Lee : Do you need to say screen shot from RM if the article is already talking about RootsMagic? That seems obvious.
11:43:02 From Crystal Toenjes : True: Yes I do, as well as working with some of the other ladies in the group who have served as registrar in the past. With on of the potential patriots in particular, at least two other people thought I had enough, but the current registrar did not and will therefore not submit the paperwork.
11:43:07 From Randy Seaver : Marcia, I don’t think we need permission for screenshots of RootsMagic screens. It’s YOUR image, not there’s. It’s your data on their format.
11:44:09 From True Lewis : My 1st Time at Continental Congress:
11:44:30 From Randy Seaver : True – loved your blog post!
11:44:41 From True Lewis : Thanks Randy!!!!!!

Elizabeth Matson
11:49:21 From Cousin Russ : Author Elizabeth Matson

11:47:00 From DearMYRTLE: Blaine Bettinger made a bold statement about making videos accessible to all. “Over the past few months, I’ve learned that genealogy has a VERY LONG way to go to encourage, much less ensure, access to anyone with hearing and/or sight challenges. It’s not even on the radar of most genealogists. For example, from this point forward, other than contracts I’ve already entered into, I will only participate in recorded presentations/webinars that are closed captioned (within a certain time frame). I encourage other genealogists to join me!” Source:

11:51:31 From Devon Lee : I’m hearing impaired and I struggle in some live streams, but there are some platforms that have captioning live.
11:52:03 From Devon Lee : I’ll admit that I don’t watch some channels that don’t have closed captions, but I’ll accept a bad caption rather than no caption.
11:52:58 From Doris Haskell : I am 74, short, hearing impaired. All I ask is to be able to sit in the first or second row.
11:53:04 From Devon Lee : As for the presentation slides, I think there is much that can be done to improve the slides that we are using when we teach. Too often, too much is on the slides than should be
11:53:16 From Valerie Lisk : When you register for an event at the St. Louis Genealogical Society, they ask if you have a disability and they try to accommodate everyone.

12:00:19 From Valerie Lisk : I have a password file in my google docs.
12:00:55 From Doris Haskell : I have a document printed out with my passwords, and a Google Sheets file as well.

Inflation calculator
12:01:07 From Cousin Russ :
12:01:37 From Doris Haskell : I put up a batch of strawberry jam this morning.
12:01:39 From Valerie Lisk : going to work
12:02:08 From Devon Lee : I’m going to grade summer school papers!!!
12:07:24 From Cousin Russ : Pat O’Donnell Kuhn’s crafting website.
12:07:58 From Valerie Lisk : I don’t have time for crafts since I discovered DNA and webinars.

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Having Your Own Database

Since there is no Mondays with Myrt until next week, let’s assist our new DearMYRTLE Facebook Group member Linda who writes:

“Primarily, my first question is there some way I can save all my data from I can no longer afford it. If I have to pay for 1 more subscription, to somehow salvage it, I will do that. Then I would like to learn about all the free sites…”


To meet your requirements, Ol’ Myrt here recommends RootsMagic desktop software. It’s one of two desktop computer programs that can download to your computer everything from your Ancestry Member Tree including attached photos and documents. However, in my tests, RootsMagic is able to do TreeShare more reliably than the other program. The RootsMagic program has a free version and a $29.95 upgrade version and installs on both PC and Mac computers. This is a one time charge, not annual, and permits you to work with multiple family trees like adopted, bloodline, or disproved. I have nine databases on my computer right now – several because I am not yet sure if the family I’m working on belongs in my family tree.

This video explains how to download all data and attached images from an Ancestry Member Tree to a new RootsMagic database.

As with any program, eventually enhancements may be made to the software that might require an upgrade of about $19, but that has happened only every few years or so in my experience.

Don’t worry, Ancestry isn’t planning to get rid of your tree. You just won’t be able to get to the database images you’ve attached to each ancestor until you reactivate your Ancestry account. I’d recommend finding a time dedicated to this transfer process. Then activate your Ancestry account for the minimum one month time period and go for it.

As for free genealogy websites, a good place to begin is with a free account at

The product manager for FamilySearch “search” and “hints” advises using the FamilySearch Catalog, since only about 30% of the site’s images are browsable or indexed. Using the catalog you’ll spend most of your time looking for records created in the place where your ancestors once lived. And you won’t know if those ancestors are mentioned in the record set until you look. Some images must be viewed at your local Family History Center, owing to stipulations by the church, courthouse, archive or library that holds the original documents.

Find a local Family History Center here:

The following short 8-minute video features using the FamilySearch Catalog to locate the other 70% of digital images not yet browsable or indexed, demonstrated by Robert Kerher, the FamilySearch product manager I mentioned earlier. Nothing better than getting it directly from the source.

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Keep me posted on your progress. Cousin Russ and I would be more than happy to walk you through the steps for downloading your Ancestry Member Tree to a new RootsMagic database on your computer. As you may know, we are both out of town on family business at the moment.

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FamilySearch: What’s new for 2018

NOTE from DearMYRTLE: The following was received from our friends at FamilySearch.

Salt Lake City, Utah (22 January 2018), FamilySearch is a global leader in fun, online family history services with over 9 million users in 2017. In 2018 FamilySearch will be expanding its free site and services by adding new family discoveries, more online connections, expanded global reach, and millions of new sources to search. (Find and share this announcement online from the FamilySearch Newsroom).

1.   Personalized Home Page

Refinements to the FamilySearch personalized home page will enable signed-in patrons to make many more new discoveries and easily engage with their family trees.

As new photos, stories, or documents are added by other members of the family, they will be shown on your personalized home page and prioritized based on relevance. You will also be able to see new additions as relatives add them.

Enjoy more adaptive, relevant FamilySearch Record Hints. As millions of new records are added to FamilySearch weekly, the search engine maps them with your family tree. FamilySearch will specifically begin looking for new ancestor record sources you don’t already have in your tree. It will be easier than ever to add them.

Relevant ancestor event notifications, if you want, will be able to prompt you throughout the year regarding relevant dates in the lives of your ancestors. These can be great nudges to learn more about your forbears.

2.   Historical Records

FamilySearch will digitally preserve over 400 million images in 2018 and publish the majority of them online. It will also add hundreds of millions of indexed, searchable names in historical records, thus making it easier and faster to find your ancestors.

New additions will include prominent international collections from Europe, Central and South America, and the United States. New images will first be accessible in the FamilySearch Catalog Viewer. Once they are indexed or have additional metadata, they’ll be published in the FamilySearch Historical Record Collections.

3.   Online Discovery Experiences

FamilySearch will introduce fun, new personal “discovery” experiences online and in additional physical locations in 2018. The online experiences will be similar to the popular attractions currently found in select FamilySearch Family Discovery Centers.

4.    Family Tree

Refinements to the FamilySearch Family Tree in 2018 will extend its reach globally to more devices through improved language support and making the service faster and easier to navigate in lower bandwidth regions of the world.

An underlying goal of the FamilySearch Family Tree is to ensure new developments regarding data are always converging towards more accuracy and completeness.

An upcoming feature will help improve collaboration while encouraging more sound edits and discouraging poor edits to good data.    

5.  Family Tree Mobile App

FamilySearch will continue to update its FamilySearch Family Tree app and mobile experiences, which extend the website’s functionality. Currently, the robust app has 90 percent of the functionality of the web feature.

The app will provide fun, location-based experiences for making family discoveries wherever you happen to be. The popular 2017 “Relatives Around Me” feature allowed crowds or groups to discover who in the crowd was related to them and how.

New experiences in 2018 will build upon this, allowing interaction based on your proximity to people or locations with which you have a personal ancestral relationship.

The app will also continue to enhance the research capabilities of the mobile experience, including a new Research Mode that will allow multiple windows to be opened simultaneously to facilitate multitasking and research from within the app.

6.    Memories

Individuals are now uploading millions of family photos and documents for free permanent storage at FamilySearch. In 2018, patrons will be able to add multiple photos to a family story, rather than just one.

The FamilySearch Tree Fan Chart will help patrons, at a glance, easily discover areas in their tree where memories and sources are attached to ancestors, and help them identify opportunities where they need to be added.

7.   FamilySearch Web-Based Indexing

FamilySearch will end its desktop indexing software in 2018 as it continues to roll out more updates to its new web indexing platform. The new web tool is easy to use and works with any digital device (besides cell phones) with a web browser. It enables hundreds of thousands of volunteers worldwide to make millions of historical images easily and freely searchable by name so online family history researchers can quickly discover ancestors.

8.  RootsTech

RootsTech, hosted by FamilySearch International, will continue to expand its support of community growth, personal development, and exciting industry innovation. This popular global family history conference will attract over 100,000 attendees (in-person and live online viewers).

Keynotes this year will include: Scott Hamilton, olympic figure skating champion, Brandon Stanton, Humans of New York photographer and writer, Dr. Henry Louis Gates, Finding Your Roots. and Natalia Fourcade, internationally renowned Mexican pop-rock singer.

The RootsTech Innovation Showcase will highlight exciting innovations related to family history. It will replace the Innovator Summit and Innovator Showdown.

9.   Oral Histories

Family history in oral (no written documentation) cultures are kept in the minds of village elders—walking, human libraries. When they pass away, the library is lost forever. FamilySearch will increase the number of oral histories it captures from these tribal historians significantly throughout Africa.

FamilySearch appreciates its growing customer base (over 134 million visits in 2017!). When you visit FamilySearch in 2018, be sure to sign in to your free account to enjoy the most of what FamilySearch has to offer. Come back regularly to add your own family memories. Enjoy the new content added daily and the new features coming soon. Collaborate with your family to upload your favorite photos, documents, personal histories, or journals from previous years, and update your ancestors’ stories.


Thank-you for the new icon, FamilySearch


Remember the agonizing months we perused the FamilySearch Catalog only to meet with utter frustration over dead-end clicks? All too frequently when clicking the camera icon to view digital images online, our hopes and dreams were dashed.

It was the empty screen of death for genealogists working late into the night, hoping to view a digital image that could possibly solve our research challenge. Instead of images from a digitized church or courthouse record set, we were met with the ever so painful notation that we “did not have sufficient rights to view the images” and that “the record set must be viewed in a Family History Center or affiliate library.”

We wasted time clicking where we could not go, only to see that dreaded message time and time again.

There was considerably more than a lone cry in that wilderness of dispair.

In fact, online genealogists on at least four continents begged FamilySearch to give us a new icon.

We suggested an icon that would indicate before clicking, that review of the record set wasn’t going to happen online from the comfort of our personal workstations.

We begged, we pleaded. We promised Chocolate Chip Cookies. Ol’ Myrt here even submitted suggested illustrations – anything to save us from those out-of-bound clicks and the extra 5 seconds it took for the black screen of death to rez into view.

And so they DID!

Thanks to info provided by Monique Riley via Facebook tonight, Ol’ Myrt is happy to report the engineers at FamilySearch have crafted a new icon that’s starting to appear in the FamilySearch Catalog! See the red arrow above. It’s the beloved (and oft times dreaded) camera icon, now with the addition of a key above it.

What does it mean? The church or government archives that has jurisdiction over original record sets permitted FamilySearch to digitize certain records but stipulated in their mutual contract the images be protected. In fact, the images are to be viewed only at Family History Centers and affiliate libraries.

Adding a record set to “To Do List” for our next visit to the Family History Center or affiliate library is a lot more productive that erroneous clicking to dead-end black screens of genealogical death, wouldn’t you say?

THANKS for listening, FamilySearch.

Where may I deliver the home-baked cookies?