Mondays with Myrt, where we talk about anything and everything that has come across our genea-desks during the past week. Our topics include upcoming events, how this Zoom Webinar interface is readily viewable on aa variety of devices in addition to the following. Links we mention are found in the selected chat comments below.
Is Ancestry.com shooting itself in the fool by not indexing it’s online trees since Oct 2017?
Ancestry Member Trees don’t receive hints in certain situations
Ancestry Trees consider the attached documents and citations you upload through Family Tree Maker or RootsMagic as “other sources” and so they won’t be indexed.
Amy Johnson Crow’s 52 Ancestors in 52 Weeks content prompts.
David Allen Lambert
Western Massachusetts Genealogical Society is switching from Google Hangouts to Zoom webinars.
Genealogy Girl Talks
Guild of One-Name Studies
Problems at MyHeritageDNA with communication between matches
NextGen Live tonight features our friend Blaine Bettinger, The Genetic Genealogist
GeneaWebinars Calendar and Blog.
Selected Chat Comments
10:02:20 From Cousin Russ : GenDoc Study Group – Wednesday 24 Jan 2018,noon Eastern US (New York) SYLLABUS Mastering Genealogical Documentation by Thomas W. Jones, 2017 (Arlington, VA: National Genealogical Society). [Available from the publisher at http://www.ngsgenealogy.org and in Amazon’s Kindle bookstore.] REGISTRATION URL https://zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_MYsTWk4vTZ6XmAlamUrSDw
10:02:41 From Valerie Eichler Lair : Yayyy last one!!! Then again, will miss the weekly GenDoc get together!
10:05:14 From Cousin Russ : THE ARCHIVE LADY – 24 Jan 2018 – 9pm Eastern US (New York). We are delighted to feature our resident archivist Melissa Barker, who serves as the Certified Archives Manager at the Houston County, Tennessee Archives. A popular genealogical speaker, author and blogger, Melissa is also the FGS Forum Reviews Editor. REGISTRATION URL https://zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_HXxAt_zdSQu4kpbtBKP_9A
10:05:31 From Shelley Murphy to All panelists : This will be exciting!
10:06:03 From Cousin Russ : NGSQ Study Group in Second Life – Thursday, January 25 at 7:00pm – 8:00pm (SL time is the same as Pacific US time) Description:The Second Life NGSQ Study Group focuses on a specific article from the National Genealogical Society Quarterly 11 months each year. Hosted by Ellington Sweeney. We meet on the 4th Thursdays as follows: WHEN 6pm SL time (Same as Pacific US) WHERE http://bit.ly/SL_JGfirepit
NOTE: This is the link to the Archived: WW Second Life Avatars and Genealogywhere Ol’ Myrt here demonstrates how to set up as free account in Second Life, create an avatar, and get to the Just Genealogy FirePit where this meeting is held.
10:03:17 From Cousin Russ : ALBION’S SEED STUDY GROUP – 31 Jan 2018 – 9pm Eastern US (New York) The South of England to Virginia: Distressed Cavaliers and Indentured Servants 1642-75. SYLLABUS Albion’s Seed: Four British Folkways in America by David Hackett Fischer s, 1989 (New York: Oxford University Press). REGISTRATION URL https://zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_uOEpyna0QZWA6QNEE0GWUQ
10:09:03 From Shelley Murphy : Plusword was hilarious!
10:09:19 From Valerie Eichler Lair : It was my first time seeing Plusword. And, yes, it was SO much fun to watch!
10:09:38 From Betty-Lu Burton : It was a blast, I just have to learn how to get into the chat now
10:11:17 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : Whatever you are doing now shows the whole panel.
10:11:52 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : And I thank you for that Russ.
10:12:56 From DearMYRTLE to All panelists : Randy – anything you want to talk about this morning – send the link here.
10:13:38 From Doris Haskell : I am enjoying the handsome bow tie that John Laws is sporting today.
10:14:38 From Shelley Murphy : The quality is way better!
10:17:49 From Doris Haskell : When the time is right, I just realized I have something to share about family birthday calendars/spreadsheets.
10:18:04 From Danine Cozzens : The ics calendar on zoom works well for me — just click and go.
10:18:19 From Valerie Eichler Lair : Windows 10 PC
10:18:20 From Jacqueline Wilson : Mac HiSierra
10:18:22 From Denise Coughlin to All panelists : Work computer via Chrome 🙂
10:18:23 From Debi Polen : windows 10 laptop
10:18:25 From Pam Helm : I am on a desktop mac
10:18:26 From Dawn Carlile : Windows 10 pc laptop
10:18:26 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : It does not hangup, stall, or stop at the most inopportune times where you have to restart.
10:18:29 From Milissa Boyer Kafes to All panelists : windows 10 pc
10:18:34 From Molly McKinley to All panelists : Windows 10 desktop
10:18:36 From Betty-Lu Burton : Windows 7 PC laptop
10:18:38 From Valerie Lisk : Windows 7 laptop on Chrome
10:18:39 From Kim Knepper to All panelists : Samsung tablet
10:18:40 From Deb Andrew : Ipad Pro
10:18:41 From Mary Lou Gravatt : Windows 10 PC tower
10:18:43 From Denise Olson to All panelists : my iPad – great quality
10:18:43 From Danine Cozzens : MacBook Pro 2012 Laptop
10:18:44 From Cheri Passey : Windows 10, running on chrome. Great quality!
10:18:52 From Shelley Murphy : I am at work and on Windows 10, laptop, PC.
10:18:54 From Sheryl Zeringue to All panelists : Windows 10 laptop on Chrome
10:18:57 From Joanne Shackford Parkes : On Mac PowerBook – transition to Zoom was very easy but that’s because of the hard work behind the scenes by you guys
10:18:58 From Elizabeth McMurrey to All panelists : Windows10 PC, very good quality.
10:19:05 From Cyndy Bray to All panelists : windows 7 laptop quality good
10:19:17 From Yvonne Demoskoff : Windows 7, Chrome; the best thing so far is that the connection doesn’t drop like it regularly did when using Bus. Hangouts
10:19:19 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : I have Windows 10 laptop and/or desktop.
10:19:20 From Marcia Philbrick to All panelists : Windows 10 PC (normally on a Windows 10 laptop – but it is running updates)
10:19:21 From Susan Bleimehl : Windows 10 laptop Chrome browser DLS internet connection.
10:19:30 From Shelley Murphy : I agree Joanne…it was an ease, at home I am on my Macbook Pro 2012
10:19:38 From Marie V Melchiori to All panelists : I’;m using Win7 Pro and it’s really fuzzy
10:19:51 From Debi Polen : downloaded the client – not via browser
10:20:00 From Dawn Carlile : I prefer that unless you are screen sharing that you show all of the panelists.
10:20:17 From RandySeaver to All panelists : my Windows 7 PC doesn’t start Zoom very fast, but it did eventually. Probably because of CPU and memory issues
10:20:52 From Denise Coughlin to All panelists : the only thing I don’t like about Zoom is the inability to pause the talking. Google Hangouts I was able to do that. But still Zoom not bad! [It is possible to pause the talking, pause the recording, mute people if you are the host, spotlight people if you are the host, etc.]
10:22:21 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : Dawn, I agree, I like seeing all the panelists.
10:22:31 From Doris Haskell : Windows10 PC here
10:23:16 From Jacqueline Wilson : Week 2 = your favorite photo
10:23:20 From AnnaMatthews : Week 2 was Favorite Photo
10:24:10 From RandySeaver : I’m up to 210 posts for 52 Ancestors going down my Ahnentafel list – in the 6th great-grands now.
10:24:33 From RandySeaver : that was 3.5 years ago on FS
10:24:59 From HilaryGadsby : https://gadsbyfamilyancestors.blogspot.co.uk/
10:45:01 From Marcia Philbrick : May have a 3rd issue — My DNA results are missing a lot of the shared matches that were there when my DNA was connected to my old tree (Pre RootsMagic TreeShare).
10:47:57 From Rachel Evans to All panelists : I’m rebuilding my tree and the hints I get only appear once I sync my tree.
10:48:17 From Betty-Lu Burton : So do you have to have an Ancestry source on everyone in your tree or do you just need to have an Ancestry source for one person in the tree for the whole tree to be indexed?
10:49:07 From Marcia Philbrick : It is my understanding that I have to have at least one Ancestry source in order for a person to be found. Thus, one Ancestry source for each person. Marcia Philbrick
10:51:52 From Linda Stufflebean to All panelists : The most annoying thing about Ancestry’s idea of a source is that an Ancestry Tree is considered a source.
10:52:27 From Linda Stufflebean : The most annoying thing about Ancestry’s idea of a source is that an Ancestry Tree is considered a source.
10:53:33 From Joanne Shackford Parkes : I’m currently going through all of my shared DNA matches and researching the same person. I’m am finding a few folks who have a shared ancestor on Ancestry but are not showing up as shared matches — am not sure why.
10:55:20 From Rachel Evans : I use the library for ancestry so I download the images and make my own source when I get home. It almost feels like I’m being forced to have a subscription for people to find my tree.
10:55:28 From Shelley Murphy : Ancestry is not a source.
10:55:46 From RandySeaver : Ancestry has been removing record collections on a regular basis – 21 last week, 20 the week before. We don’t know what they were.
10:56:20 From Marie V Melchiori to All panelists : But most people don’t realize that an Ancestry Tree is “another source.”
10:56:32 From Marcia Philbrick : I’ve been waiting for the indexing issue to be resolved before trying to resolve the DNA issue. The shared matches are still there (thus not privatized) but they aren’t showing up as a ‘hint’ match when we have common ancestors.
10:57:00 From Tony Proctor : I can’t imagine that Ancestry is deliberately excluding sources other than their own — that would be a MAJOR issue of genealogical naivety — so it must be a coding bug or a misunderstanding in one of their implementation teams
10:58:16 From RandySeaver : I fear that Dilbert’s pointy-haired boss has joined Ancestry in a management position over Trees
10:59:31 From Marcia Philbrick : According to RootsMagic — it is an Ancestry API issue. Ancestry only recognizes their citations. If I have a free form citation with Ancestry.com within the citation, it is not picked up as an Ancestry source.
11:01:49 From Cousin Russ : Jennifer de Fiebre – January 20 at 9:49pm – “I heard back from MyHeritage regarding my support ticket about whether an active subscription was required to message my DNA matches. Support has confirmed this is the case. This makes MyHeritage the first testing company that requires a subscription to contact your matches. That’s deeply disappointing, especially since I actually purchased a kit from MyHeritage instead of transferring my results from another testing company for free.”https://www.facebook.com/groups/geneticgenealogytipsandtechniques/permalink/368396626957377/
11:01:59 From Shelley Murphy : I have a kit from them for the last 6 months and have not used it yet. To me, they are too new to the game.
11:02:01 From Dawn Carlile : I transferred my results but I also had a subscription to MyHeritage.
11:03:51 From HilaryGadsby : Is this because they are trying to encourage us to add trees
11:04:51 From Rachel Evans : I transferred my results and my husband’s to myheritage with no subscription but have not contacted anybody yet. I may have to try it later though.
11:04:55 From Deb Andrew : Before I had a dna test with them, and on a free account, I could communicate with others
11:04:58 From Doris Haskell : I have only tested with Ancestry. Same with our neighbor, whose mother we found in October. I plan to take advantage of specials at RootsTech to test with other companies to take Baline’s suggestion.
11:05:16 From Marilyn Poole to All panelists : My understanding is that you need a (Free) subscription with My Heritage but the paid portion is for their database. Unless I’m mistaken.
11:05:44 From Valerie Eichler Lair : I have not tested with MH, but I was going to upload my raw data to them. However, with what our dear genie-bud Jennifer says, I probably won’t since I do not have a subscription with MH. This is frustrating! 🙁
11:06:04 From Jacqueline Wilson : I was told that I did not need to ‘test’ at MyHeritage as I transferred my FtDNA test results to MyH.
11:06:57 From Molly McKinley to All panelists : I had the free account and did my DNA with them and could contact the people. I have since then got the data subscription.
11:07:04 From HilaryGadsby : Is it more about being able to initiate communication rather than not being able to communicate.
11:07:30 From Deb Andrew : If it reverts back, the tree will go back to 250 people.
11:08:15 From HilaryGadsby : Ancestry will not let you initiate contact unless you have a paid account but you can reply
11:08:39 From Betty-Lu Burton : I wonder if you once had a paid subscription and then go to a free subscription if it would be treated as still a paid subcription for contacting people
11:08:39 From Shelley Murphy : I am not sure I want to even transfer to them. [Myrt says I would recommend testing with MyHeritage. This is another testing pool in which to fish for possible DNA matches.]
11:09:34 From Doris Haskell : I would be happy if more DNA matches would use GEDmatch.
11:09:38 From June Butka : I did transfer. Until the 17th I had a subscription. I just tried to use my DNA matches today. I can’t contact my matches.
11:10:06 From Shelley Murphy : let’s invite Mr. David (or what ever his name is to join us. He is on other things.)
11:10:30 From Mary Foxworthy to All panelists : My Heritage — When my subscription expired I lost the ability to contact DNA matches
11:14:30 From Doris Haskell : I already see an application for me with Trello. RootsTech, vendors to visit, classes to attend, DNA tests to purchase, books to look for, tools/toys to buy.
11:14:34 From Danine Cozzens : Which level of paying for Trello lets you do all this? (I have the free version and it
11:15:31 From Valerie Eichler Lair : Danine -I can do all of the things that Myrt is showing on Trello…in mine for free. 🙂
11:16:42 From DaveRobison to All panelists : How do you get the checklist? I can add events, but I can’t “check them off.”
11:16:55 From Danine Cozzens : Good to hear! Originally I could not add pix so I haven’t even tried.
11:17:02 From Cheri Passey : I use trello for everthing!
11:17:40 From Mary Lou Gravatt : I was thinking about using Trello for my 52 Ancestors each month.
11:18:25 From Rachel Evans : I’ve started using Trello for a research toolbox. It enables me to make cards for specific topic so works well.
11:18:33 From HilaryGadsby : I have Trello on my phone and tablet
11:19:08 From Shelley Murphy : Mary Lou that is a great idea!
11:19:19 From Doris Haskell : Becky has a lot of genealogy photos and documents on her Trello cards. I want to learn how to do that.
11:19:40 From Marcia Philbrick : How does one access tonights NextGenLive?
11:21:29 From Mary Lou Gravatt : Hilary that what I was thinking about doing with the 52 ancestors.
11:21:51 From June Butka : I may just attempt to learn Trello. it should help me with my 52 Ancestors and the Book of me Prompts.
11:22:17 From Marcia Philbrick : Hilary – Can you pull the photos directly from Trello in your blog? (Or do you need to go to the folder on your computer to insert the photo?) [Trello is for planning, not to link to your blog.]
11:22:23 From AnnaMatthews to All panelists : Marcia, NextGenLive broadcasts on their channel on YouTube.
11:22:48 From RandySeaver : Is Trello searchable by search engines? If not, why add blog content to Trello? I can see using it for blog prompts and research ideas
11:23:03 From AnnaMatthews : Marcia, NextGenLive broadcasts on their channel on YouTube.
11:23:09 From Cheri Passey : Hilary, I use Trello for #52Ancestors too. I have lists for each type of post I write. Helps so much to keep them all organized!
11:23:21 From Cousin Russ : CONTINUE the conversation after the webinar in DearMYRTLE’s Google+ Community with comments to this post: https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/102461242403735457058/+DearmyrtlePage/posts/V9k2WaeSBQx
11:24:07 From Doris Haskell : MYRT, you seem to be feeling much better than you did two weeks ago. Makes me happy.
11:24:39 From Cousin Russ : GeneaWebinars Calendar of Hangouts, Webinars and Online Chats this coming week: http://www.GeneaWebinars.com
11:24:57 From Cousin Russ : http://blog.geneawebinars.com/p/calendar.html
11:26:11 From jason Holt : Sorry I was super late! Not programmed to tune in on Mondays as I usually have to work!
11:26:14 From Valerie Eichler Lair : I know I’ll need some tissues to dry the tears at Wednesday’s GenDoc. Bittersweet.
11:26:34 From Shelley Murphy : Enjoy the rest of your day!
11:26:52 From Debi Polen : Thank you.
11:26:58 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : Thank you once again.
11:27:00 From Doris Haskell : Thank you, everyone. Especially Cousin Russ and dearMYRTLE
11:28:24 From Jacqueline Wilson : Hilary – I used to read the 1st one mentioned.
11:29:14 From DearMYRTLE : http://www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com/
11:30:32 From Valerie Lisk : St. Louis County Library has magazines online.
11:32:39 From Linda Jordan to All panelists : Many libraries have magazines online.
We learn by comparing and contrasting the history and culture of a community with others. Though you may not have early British immigrants to America, this study group offers ideas about what folkways to look for. The ones marked with a red asterisk below are those I’ll tend to focus on during our discussions in this series.
17 Jan 2018
East Anglia to Massachusetts: The Exodus of the English Puritans 1629-41
31 Jan 2018
The South of England to Virginia: Distressed Cavaliers and Indentured Servants 1642-75
7 Feb 2018
North Midlands to the Delaware: The Friends’ Migration 1675-1725
7 Mar 2018
Borderlands to the Back Country: The Flight from North Britain 1717-1775
NOTE from DearMYRTLE: The following was received from our friends at FamilySearch.org.
IMAGE: Web Indexing Tool Screen Shot, courtesy of FamilySearch.org.
Salt Lake City, Utah (25 September 2017), FamilySearch International, a leader in historical records preservation, has launched its new web-based indexing tool. Indexing is a technology used to make the world’s historical records freely searchable online for family history research. The new program makes it easier for online volunteers to participate using web-enabled computers, laptops, or tablets, and enables FamilySearch to expedite its online publishing of completed indexes. (Find and share this announcement and its graphics online in the FamilySearch Newsroom).
New features enable volunteers to work on tablets, modify the layout of their dashboard based on personal preferences, set and track individual goals, and create groups with friends or others interested in working on a common project.
Global nonprofit FamilySearch digitally preserves billions of historical records online to help individuals with their family history research. It has published billions of images of historic records from all over the world online. Researchers can find the record images in FamilySearch’s Catalog or Historic Records Collections online. But searching through billions of images online in search of one’s elusive ancestors is not fun for the average person. They want to type in an ancestor’s name and known context, press Enter, and voilà, see highly matched results from their search query.
“That requires an index,” said Jim Ericson, marketing manager for FamilySearch Indexing. “Until the records are indexed online, they can only be discovered by browsing through often enormous collections of digital images. With a digital index, researchers can locate records in seconds by using a person’s name and other helpful information as search terms. A searchable index saves researchers time and effort by returning search results from the entire collection in a matter of seconds.”
Ericson says the new web-based indexing platform will enable more volunteers to participate worldwide and increase the rate at which FamilySearch can make indexed records accessible online. “It is a straight-forward experience that no longer requires people to download software,” said Ericson.
Using the new tool enables volunteer indexers to help make it possible for millions of people to have personal family history discoveries quickly with just a few keystrokes. Indexing also fuels hints, a new feature on FamilySearch.org that makes finding records even easier by mapping indexed records against a person’s family tree and sharing high probability ancestral matches with them.
The web-based indexing program also has new built-in helps, plus a lab section that allows you to test upcoming product features and enhancements for the new program.
About FamilySearch FamilySearch International is the largest genealogy organization in the world. FamilySearch is a nonprofit, volunteer-driven organization sponsored by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Millions of people use FamilySearch records, resources, and services to learn more about their family history. To help in this great pursuit, FamilySearch and its predecessors have been actively gathering, preserving, and sharing genealogical records worldwide for over 100 years. Patrons may access FamilySearch services and resources free online at FamilySearch.org or through over 5,000 family history centers in 129 countries, including the main Family History Library in Salt Lake City, Utah.
You may use either the web or desktop indexing interface. The web version allow those who have Chromebooks to participate.
Congrats to the Western Massachusetts Genealogical Society for leading the way. They’re planning a training session of 16 Oct 2017 in the computer lab at the Agwam Senior Center, 954 Main Street, Agawam, Massachusetts.
One way to “pay it forward” is to index records so others can more readily find documents mentioning their ancestors.
Happy family tree climbing!
Your friend in genealogy.
For Further Reading (I guess you could say we’ve done a bit of indexing over the years!)