ARCHIVED: GenDoc Study Group – Chapter 16

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Syllabus
Thomas W. Jones, Mastering Genealogical Documentation, (Arlington, Virginia: National Genealogical Society, 2017.) Softbound available from the publisher’s website www.ngsgenealogy.org and in Amazon Kindle format here: https://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Genealogical-Documentation-Thomas-Jones/dp/B0743HCD4T

Chapter 16 Multipart Options for Citing Images
“When researchers determine or suspect an image is not a facsimile, they consult the underlying version. In that rare case they do not cite the image. They just site the underlying version they examined.” p 163.

GenDoc STUDY GROUP – Chapter16 Combined Homework https://drive.google.com/file/d/12EL6cG_EzrDbhJ0_wAPF6FDVrijEZAF_/view?usp=sharing


Selected Comments

00:30:00 June Butka: I was reviewing a citation on a DNA hint. It brought me to a source that I hadn’t seen before. Leading me to a great Uncle.
00:30:41 Cousin Russ: Gendocs Chapter 16 – Multipart Options for Citing Images Melinda Culpon https://docs.google.com/document/d/10dW3KnffM6huFgYnQ_QQkpDnvrA0HedeonmHs3uv0u0/edit
00:30:41 HilaryGadsby: A microfilm is an image but we can get a printed copy of the image.
00:37:37 CaryBright: Awesome variety of documents Melinda!
00:42:42 HilaryGadsby: I know a Bland researcher in England
00:44:56 June Butka: The important of DATING OUR CITATIONS.
00:47:12 Cousin Russ: Sheri Fenley GENDOC Online Study Group Chapter 16: Multipart Options For Citing Images https://docs.google.com/document/d/1f7XLgzMz3vAwIJPgro8jDdRsuO8pbqYBnmbm1nrdQA8/edit
00:49:41 June Butka: Some even think it is an F or T.
00:51:58 June Butka: I have recently taken photogrpahs of letters and documentation in a desk. I need to cite them properly.
00:52:07 MelindaCulpon: First Postage Stamps authorized in the United States 3 Mar 1847 – USPS
00:55:28 June Butka: If you have the photogrpah of the letter in your possesion, but the letter is in another private residence. Would you cite the image private location or the letters location?
00:56:44 June Butka: Would we need to site the image also?
00:56:50 HilaryGadsby: I have digital images of letters and my sister has the originals
00:57:55 DaveRobison: It was like accepting a collect call!
00:58:56 HilaryGadsby: Who made the digital image?
01:00:41 Cousin Russ: GenDoc STUDY GROUP – Chapter16 Combined Homework https://drive.google.com/file/d/12EL6cG_EzrDbhJ0_wAPF6FDVrijEZAF_/view?usp=sharing
01:00:56 Cousin Russ: Hilary​​ ​​Gadsby Chapter​​ ​​16 “​​Multiparty​ ​Options​ ​for​ ​Citing​ ​Images” https://docs.google.com/document/d/1a7bxBrQsjSQyhhjKki0qIyUOr0U7ETK-poj9ndF_npQ/edit
01:02:50 June Butka: If you find the letter in an ancestors desk do you include the desk that has been handed down each generation in the citation?
01:03:25 CaryBright: June, yes for sure because that is the provenance of the letter AND the desk
01:04:01 June Butka: Thank you Cary. That was my thought. I just need to think how to create the citation.
01:04:17 HilaryGadsby: Too often provenance is missing
01:06:24 June Butka: I even have an image of the desk.
01:07:44 HilaryGadsby: Photos found in an album with details about who they are is important. I took photos of the album but have removed the photographs to archival storage.
01:07:56 SheriFenley: Cary I just now notices the photograph wreath behind you – I love it!
01:08:56 CaryBright: I taught Heriloom Crafting at my Gen Society for a few years and made quite a few fun items!
01:09:51 SheriFenley: I am going to email you later today – would you mind sharing a few of those crafty ideas for my gen society? I will of course give you your props
01:13:12 SheriFenley: Hilary – discursive notes girl – discursive notes!
01:15:33 SheriFenley: Dave if hilary were writing for a US audience maybe she should put the country, but not if she were writing for England audience
01:15:41 Danine Cozzens: Even countries change names. Should we cite the name as it was at the time the source was created? or as it is known now? [Cite locations by name when the event took place.]
01:16:12 June Butka: Hilary I scanned my scrapbboks and made a digital bound copy of the album, before archival storage.
01:16:31 SheriFenley: maybe research notes is a better place for that
01:22:07 June Butka: Sorry Danine, not Diane.
01:28:48 Jacqueline Wilson: I am not getting the actual chat – I am jus seeing from … to with no content. Can you republish the homework. Then I might see it – I hope!
01:29:59 CaryBright: make sure you have all panelists and attendees open so you not just on yourselft
01:30:40 Cousin Russ: Jacqueline – Not sure what you are asking. I have posted Myrt’s document and the individual homeworks. What are you missing
01:32:17 June Butka: Good point about Post title verse blog title.
01:37:30 Jacqueline Wilson: Black Hawk War was in Illinois for the most part
01:38:00 Cousin Russ: Chapter 16 Multipart Options for Citing Images Dave Robison https://docs.google.com/document/d/1x-JeZBLBuXVWVSq49k8XKUF8uN_6jt-9vl18xEzsfdo/edit
01:38:41 Cousin Russ: Mastering Genealogical Documentation – Chapter 16 Lisa Gorrell https://drive.google.com/file/d/143zctVgjDGK4V554PS1WibeYGgv8PWmT/view
01:39:05 Jacqueline Wilson: Russ, the entire chat before 11:56. It is now showing up. I have had multiple computer issues today.
01:39:21 Jacqueline Wilson: Thanks to all who reposted it!
01:41:09 Cousin Russ: GenDoc Study Group, Ch. 16 Assignment Cary Bright https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ka8-NT_7bEj3ByumoJiAuo5URV6BcL2M/view
01:41:09 June Butka: Great job everyone on your homework. Job well done to all.
01:41:31 Cousin Russ: GenDoc STUDY GROUP – Chapter16 Combined Homework https://drive.google.com/file/d/12EL6cG_EzrDbhJ0_wAPF6FDVrijEZAF_/view?usp=sharing
01:41:56 June Butka: I just recieved my Albion Seed book today.
01:42:09 Cousin Russ: The conversation continues — https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/102461242403735457058/+DearmyrtlePage/posts/QuMX8P1cdPU

01:42:32 Cousin Russ: Join Cousin Russ and DearMYRTLE as we play “Pluswords” on GAME NIGHT with Sir Michael Daniels on Friday, 19 Jan 2018 starting at 10pm Eastern. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CXqYA5kn5Y


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ARCHIVED: GenDoc Study Group Chapter 15

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We’re up to Chapter 15 “Citing Images of previously Unpublished Materials” where Dr. Jones says

“… organizations have digitized countless volumes of unpublished material. Archives, businesses, governmental, and religious organizations image this material, sometimes with little or no human intervention. Much of it has come from unpublished Genealogical Society of Utah/FamilySearch microfilm mechanically run through scanners.” Source: Jones, Thomas. Mastering Genealogical Documentation (NGS Special Topics Series Book 122) (Kindle Locations 4017-4019). National Genealogical Society, Inc.. Kindle Edition.

Although the author eschews two of the four citation samples he provides, the consensus of the panelists is to include as much in the citation as possible – both WHEREIS and WHEREIn.

We decided it was good  Dr. Jones shows the less-desirable citation formats as they provide us the opportunity to compare and contrast citations we created in our homework.

SELECTED COMMENTS
00:50:13 Valerie EichlerLair: Jones’ [Methodology] course at SLIG [Salt Lake Institute of Genealogy] is going to change your ways Melinda! Plus, all you will have time for is sleep, eat, class, and homework. 🙂
[Comments regarding screen size and video quality]
00:55:57 Dawn Carlile: Very clear!
00:56:09 Ginger Martinez: very clear here too
00:56:09 Melissa Barker: Very clear, I see the red mouse pointer very good!
00:56:09 Jacqueline Wilson: Very Clear!!!!!
00:56:09 MelindaCulpon: looks good
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56:12 Anna Matthews: Yes, nice and sharp.
00:56:14 Jane Haldeman: Very sharp and love the pointer
00:56:18 Yvonne Demoskoff: It’s perfect on my monitor, Myrt. Love that little red pointer, too
00:56:49 Sheryl Whisenhunt: Sharp, clear, and red dot for mouse pointer.
00:57:11 Cousin Russ: Thank you all for your feedback
00:59:34 Cousin Russ: Combined Chapter 15 Homework – https://drive.google.com/file/d/1J4RiBUZxGdITqZvbjZY0IS1ymnvkquRR/view?usp=sharing
00:59:38 Lisa Gorrell: What’s interesting, is this death certificate can still be found in all of the places Cary visited.
00:59:48 Cousin Russ: Thomas W. Jones. Mastering Genealogical Documentation, (Arlington, Virginia: National Genealogical Society, 2017.) Softbound available from the publisher’s website http://www.ngsgenealogy.org. Kindle format at Amazon here: https://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Genealogical-Documentation-Thomas-Jones/dp/B0743HCD4T
01:01:36 Melissa Barker: Study the Finding Aid!
01:07:37 Yvonne Demoskoff: I have a few relatives in that CEF database, Dave, so it’s interesting to see how you crafted your citations.
01:09:01 Lisa Gorrell: It’s important when you show the wrong way to do something, is to explain why. When I was training, we never showed the wrong way–we didn’t want people to practice that!
01:12:01 Anna Matthews: The creator of the original record is The Ministry of Overseas Forces of Canada according to the LAC website.
01:13:05 Anna Matthews: I wrote the citation for my Granduncle’s file in both ways that Dr. Jones showed under option 3 but I’m not sure which I prefer or if either one is correct!
01:13:35 MelindaCulpon: Question? Do we think that eventually there will be digital image numbers – that can be tracked like ISP numbers currently?
01:14:00 Yvonne Demoskoff: is that record # needed to find it again?
01:15:27 Yvonne Demoskoff: what if you put instead Dickson’s regt. #?
01:15:43 Anna Matthews: Yes, the Attestation Paper is only the first two images of the file.
01:16:26 Marceline Beem: Melinda, a lot of the journals I used in grad school had what’s called DOI numbers that identified that article no matter what database it was in. So it’s possible, but whether or not it’s practical is another question all together.
01:18:22 Lisa Gorrell: That’s why you need to look at the notes about the database first.
01:20:43 Jacqueline Wilson: At the top of the document, there is a preprinted name. Would that be the author?
01:20:50 Yvonne Demoskoff: Dave, it might be helpful to say it’s an Original att. paper, because there are sometimes duplicates and triplicates out there.
01:22:23 Valerie Eichler Lair: Dave – I’ll spend time this afternoon and tonight on your citation. 🙂 I’ll PM you what I come up with. <hee hee>
01:24:43 Anna Matthews: Dave and Valerie, this is the blog post that I wrote when I was trying to craft my citation for these records, if at all helpful: https://trippingovermyroots.blogspot.com/2017/12/citing-wwi-service-files-from-library.html
01:26:21 Hilary Gadsby: This week we have found out how useful waypoints are in citations
01:26:22 DaveRobison: Anna… Thanks! I’ll take a close look at it after we’re done here.
01:33:50 Cousin Russ: Combined Chapter 15 Homework – https://drive.google.com/file/d/1J4RiBUZxGdITqZvbjZY0IS1ymnvkquRR/view?usp=sharing

 

ARCHIVED: GenDoc Study Group Chapter 14

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This week our panelists provided an example from their own research that relate to Chapter 14 – “Citing Images of Previously Published Material” from Mastering Genealogical Documentation by Thomas W. Jones, 2017 (Arlington, VA: National Genealogical Society). [Available from the publisher at www.ngsgenealogy.org and in Amazon’s Kindle bookstore.]

LINKS WE MENTION

  • Combined GenDoc Chapter14 Homework with DearMYRTLE’s Comments 
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZqFgTcBBd7CjgYzEBP_CXn3t9tj7j-fp/view?usp=sharing
  • Newspaper Archives (for Hilary’s homework) https://www.bl.uk/collection-guides/newspapers

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It is particularly important when discussing documentation guidelines that we observe copyright. You will note our panelists typically compare and contrast the author’s idea with those of Elizabeth Shown Mills. We realize both authors provide guidelines, but it is up to individual researchers to adequately describe the type of record or artifact they are viewing and it’s context historically.

 

GenDoc Study Group Chapter 5 – Capitalization, Italics, Punctuation and Other Citation Subtleties

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GenDoc Study Group – A DearMYRTLE Hangout Series

Join us on Wednesday, 11 Oct 2017 for our live discussion of Chapter 5 – Capitalization, Italics, Punctuation and Other Citation Subtleties from Thomas W. Jones, Mastering Genealogical Documentation, (Arlington, Virginia: National Genealogical Society, 2017.) Softbound available from the publisher’s website http://www.ngsgenealogy.org. Kindle format at Amazon here: https://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Genealogical-Documentation-Thomas-Jones/dp/B0743HCD4T

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Noon Eastern US (New York), 11am Central US (Chicago), 10am Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 9am Pacific US (Los Angeles)

HOMEWORK
Panelists have submitted homework with examples from their own research that correlate to Dr. Jones’ points in Chapter 5. The scanned image of their homework, with Ol’ Myrt’s notations is GenDoc_Chapter5scan.pdf – Google Drive http://bit.ly/2xyv2nf

Sure you could watch the embedded live and archived vedeo presentation here and on DearMYRTLE’s YouTube Channel, but why not view and comment during the broadcast by going to http://hangouts.dearmyrtle.com/gendoc5.html

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NOTE: Due to copyright restrictions, participants may not post the questions from the book. Merely write about one part of the chapter that “speaks to you” and provide an example from your own research. When quoting Dr. Jones, merely incorporate a sentence or two in your homework. Thank-you.

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MONDAYS WITH MYRT (90 minutes) 2 Oct 2017 Register here.Practical, down-to-earth advice for family historians. We talk about everything that’s come across our genea-desks in the past week. Powerful breakthroughs happen during our live hangouts. Catch the rebroadcast here, along with all the links we mention. Noon Eastern US (New York), 11am Central US (Chicago), 10am Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 9am Pacific US (Los Angeles)

GenDoc 4 STUDY GROUP (60 minutes) Wednesday, 4 Oct 2017 – Register here.Chapter 4 – “Assembling Components into Clear Citations” from Thomas W. Jones’ Mastering Genealogical DocumentationNoon Eastern US (New York), 11am Central US (Chicago), 10am Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 9am Pacific US (Los Angeles)

WACKY WEDNESDAY (60 minutes) Wednesday, 4 Oct 2017 – Register here. Watermarks and Source Labels: How to insert on Digital Images. 9pm Eastern US (New York), 8pm Central US (Chicago), 7pm Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 6pm Pacific US (Los Angeles).

MONDAYS WITH MYRT (90 minutes) 9 Oct 2017 – Register here.  Practical, down-to-earth advice for family historians. We talk about everything that’s come across our genea-desks in the past week. Powerful breakthroughs happen during our live hangouts. Catch the rebroadcast here, along with all the links we mentionNoon Eastern US (New York), 11am Central US (Chicago), 10am Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 9am Pacific US (Los Angeles)

GenDoc 5 STUDY GROUP (60 minutes) Wednesday, 11 Oct 2017 – Register here.Chapter 5 – “Capitalization, Italics, Punctuation and Other Citation Subtleties” from Thomas W. Jones’ Mastering Genealogical DocumentationNoon Eastern US (New York), 11am Central US (Chicago), 10am Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 9am Pacific US (Los Angeles)

WACKY WEDNESDAY (60 minutes) Wednesday, 11 Oct 2017 – Register here.Topic to be announced based on our conversation during this week’s Mondays with Myrt9pm Eastern US (New York), 8pm Central US (Chicago), 7pm Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 6pm Pacific US (Los Angeles)

GENEALOGY GAME NIGHT(60 minutes) Saturday, 14 Oct 2017 – Register here.This is your chance to practice using your headset mic and web cam while we play Who’s In My Line? There will be prizes! 9pm Eastern US (New York), 8pm Central US (Chicago), 7pm Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 6pm Pacific US (Los Angeles)

MONDAYS WITH MYRT (90 minutes) 16 Oct 2017 – Register here. Practical, down-to-earth advice for family historians. We talk about everything that’s come across our genea-desks in the past week. Powerful breakthroughs happen during our live hangouts. Catch the rebroadcast here, along with all the links we mentionNoon Eastern US (New York), 11am Central US (Chicago), 10am Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 9am Pacific US (Los Angeles)

GenDoc 6STUDY GROUP (60 minutes) Wednesday, 18 Oct 2017 – Register here.Chapter 6 – “Determining a Source’s Publication Status” from Thomas W. Jones’ Mastering Genealogical Documentation. Noon Eastern US (New York), 11am Central US (Chicago), 10am Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 9am Pacific US (Los Angeles)

DNAGen STUDY GROUP (60 minutes) Wednesday, 18 Oct 2017 – Register here. Read in advance and complete the homework at the end of Chapter 10 “Conclusion” in Genetic Genealogy in Practice by Blaine T. Bettinger and Debbie Parker Wayne. Now also available in Kindle format. 9pm Eastern US (New York), 8pm Central US (Chicago), 7pm Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 6pm Pacific US (Los Angeles). You must attend the live hangout as this session cannot be recorded due to copyright issues.

MONDAYS WITH MYRT (90 minutes) 23 Oct 2017 – Register here.Practical, down-to-earth advice for family historians. We talk about everything that’s come across our genea-desks in the past week. Powerful breakthroughs happen during our live hangouts. Catch the rebroadcast here, along with all the links we mention. Noon Eastern US (New York), 11am Central US (Chicago), 10am Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 9am Pacific US (Los Angeles)

GenDoc 7 STUDY GROUP (60 minutes) Wednesday, 25 Oct 2017 – Register here.Chapter 7 – “Issues in Citing Source Titles, Descriptions or Both” from Thomas W. Jones’ Mastering Genealogical Documentation. Noon Eastern US (New York), 11am Central US (Chicago), 10am Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 9am Pacific US (Los Angeles)

THE ARCHIVE LADY (60 minutes) Wednesday, 25 Oct 2017 – Register here. We visit with Melissa LeMaster Barker, a professional county archivist. 9pm Eastern US (New York), 8pm Central US (Chicago), 7pm Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 6pm Pacific US (Los Angeles)

MONDAYS WITH MYRT (90 minutes) 30 Oct 2017 Halloween Party – Wear a costume! – Register here.Practical, down-to-earth advice for family historians. We talk about everything that’s come across our genea-desks in the past week. Powerful breakthroughs happen during our live hangouts. Catch the rebroadcast here, along with all the links we mention. Noon Eastern US (New York), 11am Central US (Chicago), 10am Mountain US (Denver, Salt Lake City), 9am Pacific US (Los Angeles).