Mondays with Myrt – 24 June 2019


Hilary spotlights WikiTree’s Connect A-Thon, while Gary brings up the technical topic of Ancestry’s DBID (database IDs) disappearing from the address bar. We discuss the advisability of working all possible ancestors through one database at a time, Graham reports on the York Family History Fair. We note RootsMagic is adding live chat tech support. Yvonne notes Canada is taking it’s first cold case to trial with the DNA/genealogy techniques being utilized in the US. We applaud New York State for opening adoption records to adult adoptees.



09:41:52 From Pat Kuhn  :

09:43:12 From DearMYRTLE : This is the USB headset Dave Robison likes.

09:49:15 From Graham Walter : Family History Fair York

Photos from York fair
09:59:47 From Yvonne Demoskof :

10:01:23 From Graham Walter : Hello everyone from London
10:01:47 From Bill West to All panelists : Good morning from sunny Massachusetts!
10:01:49 From Sheryl Zeringue to All panelists : Hello from hot South Louisiana.
10:01:50 From Betty-Lu Burton : hi everyone
10:03:03 From Sheila Benedict : Hello from Central California – nice weather here.
10:03:10 From Launa : I’m at salt lake FamilySearch lib scanning my grandfather’s pix
10:03:35 From June Butka : Hello, from Southern New Hampshire., United States.
10:04:14 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : Hello from Northern California in the Sierra Nevadas…cool day so far.
10:04:14 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : Hello from Levittown, Pennsylvania : )
10:04:19 From Robbin Smith to All panelists : hiya from Miami!
10:05:25 From Mary Lou Gravatt : Hi from New Jersey, USA
10:05:44 From JoAnn Lawrence : Hello from West New Jersey

10:06:10 From Geoffrey Cooker : Hello from Shabbona, Illinois
10:08:29 From Randy Seaver  : Here is the link to the photo Socks company –

10:08:52 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : LOL
10:09:11 From Pamela Wells : My name is Pamela ROBERSON Wells and my family was from Virginia, West Virginia, North Carolina & Ohio
10:11:27 From Betty-Lu Burton : My grandmother’s father spelled his name Hawk, she and her siblings spelled it Hawke. I have not idea why the e was added
10:12:16 From Molly McKinley : One of my Hames lines changed their name to Haynes due to a falling out with one of the brothers in that generation.
10:13:24 From Deb Andrew : My great was. Robson.
10:13:51 From Pamela Wells : Absolutely NO I don’t have the same spellings through every Census… family’s name: ROBERSON, were ROBER(T)SON, ROBINSON, ROBESON, ROBISON, etc. Even within the family our family there are differences…. Laughing out loud
10:13:55 From Launa : my grandmother was Hancks Hanks
10:14:04 From Randy Seaver : Ideally, the records all have the same spelling of the name. The Rosanna Lanfear War of 1812 pension application got bogged down because the soldier enlisted as Lamfear and Lamifear, and the pension dept couldn’t connect the two for years.
10:14:13 From ERIC COOK to All panelists : Hi from Iowa!
10:14:49 From Rachel Evans : my great-grandfather changed the name from Macken to Mackin due to not wanting to be associated with a funeral home. Oddly he ended up building caskets for a living.
10:15:41 From Pamela Wells : In my D.A.R. membership, I found my family McDORMAN with a cousin’s family whose brothers spelled their names differently who spelled McDERMENT! Rumor was the family didn’t like one another!
10:16:25 From Geoffrey Cooker to All panelists : What do you think of the theory that names, especially as applied in later life, used the spelling of what the ancestor felt was the most prominent document, ie, a will or military discharge…
10:16:46 From Kathleen Daetsch : My O’Bryon line has many different spellings I think it was to try to keep them streight because so many of them have the same first name and they lived in a small community.
10:17:54 From Gary Gauthier : There is a funeral home in Orangeville, Ontario that is called Butchers. How strange.
10:18:48 From Bill West to All panelists : My Ellingwood relativess spelled it Ellinwood, Ellenwood, Allenwod, and one Ellwood.
10:18:48 From Betty-Lu Burton : My Huyck were educated people from the 1600’s on and spelled their name Huyck since 1700. I always know when they spelled the name and when someone else misspelled the name.
10:18:52 From Pamela Wells : For D.A.R we had to find a Chancery suit that was filed and prove it in that manner.
10:18:57 From Sheila Benedict : When my great grandfather and grandfather came to America Illegially through Canada in 1893, he changed the surname to Klein because he met someone with that name. I have NO relations with that name.
10:19:12 From Geoffrey Cooker to All panelists : The King/Koenig example is an excellent observation
10:19:52 From Randy Seaver : I have the Konig/King line in York PA. They switched to King in about 1800
10:19:55 From June Butka : I make a comment section of the ancestors profile page. Dated. with source/s. I add what I see. AKA notation.
10:20:16 From Betty-Lu Burton : For Liv. Some of my Norwegian immigrants took the farm name and some of the siblings took the patronmics of the father
10:20:47 From Geoffrey Cooker to All panelists : There is a good example of this with the British royal family…Battenburg to Mountbatten…
10:21:17 From Dave Robison to All panelists : Randy, That’s exactly when “my” Konig changed their name, the generation directly after the Patriot. By the way, they were from Pennsylvania!
10:21:20 From jeannecourval to All panelists : I had the issue that it isn’t always the person who is mispelling their name. I found so many variations of one of my family names – mastifeed, mustapha, mustifpher These are all the ways it was found in census records. It think these were ways that the census takers thought the name was spelled.
10:21:26 From Randy Seaver : I add each name variation in my RootsMagic profile and add the source. We have this discussion in every one of my Beginning Computer Genealogy classes at OASIS and CVGS. It’s not unusual for there to be 5 to 10 different names in the records for a person.
10:21:36 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : That is why, researching is never finalized.
10:22:05 From June Butka : I do the same as Cousin Russ. It is a name fact.
10:22:38 From Hilary Gadsby : The problems are even worse when a totally different name is recorded and you have to prove it is the same person.
10:22:38 From Liv Christensen : In Norway and among American emigrants from Norway, you have the same “problem”, Betty Lu. So the discussion is very valid for us too.
10:22:45 From Marcia Philbrick to All panelists : My 2nd great grandfather is Washington Crawford in some records and Marion Crawford in other records. Even his civil war records have his name listed both ways. Figuring out that they are the same person is difficult! Cousin Russ’ use of name fact is a great way to document. I’m also trying to go back and add a ‘comment’ to the person on my Ancestry tree (as suggested by Crista Cowan).
10:22:52 From Betty-Lu Burton : I put it as an alternate name unless I know their was an actual name change
10:23:13 From June Butka : A timeline is also done if they look like two people.
10:23:17 From Randy Seaver : I use alternate names as a name fact.
10:23:18 From jeannecourval to All panelists : If I have a birth record or a death record, I usually use one of those. For the others, I use as alternatives names.
10:24:00 From Leah Smith : Affidavit from parish priest was needed to explain name differences, due to dit names. two married names, both of which were Anglicized from French. I use name fact for each name and add notes.
10:24:04 From Robbin Smith : Now I am grateful to be a Smith!
10:24:14 From marian koalski : I think everyone probably has a horror story about missing a key record due to an alternate spelling that was missed
10:26:02 From Gary Gauthier : I have a great aunt who was born Augusta Ethleen Wells, but always went by Addie Wells.
10:26:07 From Sheila Benedict : I live and worked in area with a very large Danish community. They are very specific that the ending of the name is sEn. If anyone has sOn, they are usually not Davish = at least not here.
10:26:15 From Hilary Gadsby : I could not find a birth for my 2xgt grandmother as she was registered with a different first name.

10:26:50 From Bill West to All panelists : I thought my ears were burning a while ago!
10:26:51 From Cousin Russ : Great advice from Bill West about using tags in your Ancestry Member Tree. 🤗 “Making Lists with Ancestry’s Tree MyTreeTags”

10:26:58 From Sheila Benedict : Danish not Davish – sorry
10:27:27 From Bill West to All panelists : Thank you!
10:27:34 From June Butka : I love the Hypothesis and verified tags.
10:28:21 From jeannecourval to All panelists : was that info – it was too quick for me to copy
10:28:27 From Cousin Russ :
10:29:41 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : Yes
10:30:18 From June Butka : Many have a rainbow wedding from the time. I was the pink dress in my sister wedding.
10:33:05 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : Good to know about the new record release
10:35:59 From June Butka : FYI. The Town of Sutton is doing a five generation of who lived in your home. A new way to look a family genealogy.
10:36:24 From June Butka : New Hampshire.
10:36:52 From Dave Robison : June, Sutton Massachusetts??
10:37:07 From Dave Robison : New Hampshire…thanks!
10:37:20 From Randy Seaver : June, how are they doing it? From census records, land records, directories?
10:37:50 From June Butka : I was not able to stand up for my sister or my Best Friend for their catholic marriages.
10:38:32 From Dave Robison : My mother wasn’t allowed to wear white, get married on Saturday the traditional day, nor in the church. She married my Methodist father in the rectory on a Wednesday in a purple dress!
10:39:16 From Randy Seaver : Presbyterian records added 17 Nov 2016
10:39:56 From Randy Seaver : I use my Added/Updated on Ancestry posts
10:42:04 From Randy Seaver : ah, way down in the left-hand corner is the database ID number
10:42:11 From Randy Seaver : .
10:43:50 From Randy Seaver : That is much easier than my workaround when using the text in the URL didn’t work for me.
10:45:19 From Dave Robison : I’m getting the dbid in the lower left on a PC
10:46:07 From Marcia Philbrick to All panelists : I’m not seeing lower left address! I’m using Chrome
10:46:22 From June Butka : I noticed that pop in the lower left. I wasn’t sure what that meant. Thank you.
10:47:08 From Randy Seaver : I see it using Chrome but Windows 7
10:47:28 From Graham Walter : Good tip Gary!
10:47:32 From DearMYRTLE . : I am using Win 10 and Chrome – both updated
10:47:38 From Marcia Philbrick to All panelists : Do you put the dbid in a citation?
10:48:58 From Valerie Lisk : Paste it in the address bae and don’t hit enter. You will see the dbid.
10:49:31 From June Butka : I missed that Randy Post.
10:50:27 From Randy Seaver : The Genea-Musings post with the list of dbid for some collections is at
10:51:33 From Randy Seaver : Marcia, it might be a good idea to put the dbid in a citation…the number itself shouldn’t change.
10:53:25 From Hilary Gadsby : We use the dbids when linking in an Ancestry citation from WikiTree if the record is not available elsewhere.
10:54:24 From jeannecourval to All panelists : ­­Will this help me with an issue I had a few years ago? I found a record on I could next get to it on ancestry. com even though I knew it should be. If I find the record on can i find the dbid info there and then use that to get to in on [NOTE: FamilySearch does not use DBID, Ancestry does.]
10:56:15 From Randy Seaver : My most recent post about finding dbid is It refers to a May 2018 post at
10:56:36 From Randy Seaver : Sorry for the multi posts, but Ancestry keeps messing us up with changes to their URLs
10:57:13 From jeannecourval to All panelists : But I didn’t find the record on I only found it on
10:57:36 From Randy Seaver : Jeanne no, you can’t find the dbid on FamilySearch – you have to find it on Ancestry.
10:57:41 From jeannecourval to All panelists : OK, I will try that
10:57:48 From June Butka : Randy we appreciate you keeping us up to date. Thank you.
10:59:13 From Randy Seaver : Jeanne, what is the database on FS and the name of the person you want to find?
10:59:28 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : lol
10:59:58 From jeannecourval to All panelists : I will have to check. I haven’t looked for a while.
11:00:14 From Randy Seaver : Jeanne, it sounds like the record on Ancestry was indexed differently than FS
11:00:44 From jeannecourval to All panelists : I agree. I just couldn’t figure out how it might be indexed on ancestry.
11:01:02 From Gary Gauthier : Have you noticed the number in the google URL?
11:01:39 From Randy Seaver : I did notice it, Gary, but it’s probably a link from before the change to text

11:05:32 From Cousin Russ : Family History Fair York
11:05:41 From Hilary Gadsby : I went to the show in York last year
11:06:04 From Randy Seaver : Note that this shows only the Hints that Ancestry has found for person profiles that they have provided Hints for. If your person doesn’t have Hints they won’t show up in the list of Hints for a specific database. Only a search for a specific person will show a result if the profile does not have Hints. Catch 23 here!

11:07:07 From Randy Seaver : Also, Hints only showe up for about 10% of all of Ancestry’s collection, so a search is necessary to find some of the goodies hiding in Ancestry collections.
11:07:11 From Hilary Gadsby : It was very popular when I was there last year
11:07:46 From Hilary Gadsby : Talks were on another floor
11:09:19 From Hilary Gadsby : Dundee
11:10:08 From Sheila Benedict : I have work in Lancashire – is that county represented there?
11:11:42 From Hilary Gadsby : I expect it would be as it is a neighbouring county
11:11:43 From Randy Seaver : or when bloggers can capture attention of a vendor!
11:13:35 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : Wonderful
11:14:12 From Graham Walter : Lancashire had a booth this year
11:15:37 From Geoffrey Cooker : DNA should be part of the mix
11:15:56 From Sheila Benedict : Thank you. I need to contact a genie or history society there. I have been to Preston but it has been some years ago.
11:17:14 From Graham Walter : Lancashire Family History & Heraldry Society
11:18:00 From Pamela Wells :
11:18:08 From Randy Seaver : Remember, law enforcement can use only FamilyTreeDNA and GEDmatch at this time, and GEDmatch just restricted access unless GEDmatch users opt-in

11:19:26 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : Have you heard yet as to My Heritage is going to Live Stream?
11:19:55 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : Yes the list was just released
11:20:43 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : Reclaim
11:20:53 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : AMEN
11:21:20 From Cousin Russ : From Brooke Schroeder Ganz: IT PASSED! The bill to allow adult adoptees access to their own records passed the New York State Assembly today by a vote of 126-2! Just when all seemed lost, and the bill was languishing in the Codes Committee and the remaining hours for this legislative session were running out, your phone calls of support helped finally push the bill forward to Rules Committee and then to the floor of the New York State Assembly. And the bill passed in “overtime” — the legislature was originally supposed to end its session last night at midnight! Thank you to everyone who made the phone call! Thank you for your support! Governor Cuomo has already said that he will sign the bill. This means that starting in January 2020, all New York adoptees over the age of eighteen will be able to get their original and unredacted birth certificates. And if the adoptee is deceased, their descendants can get it. For our friends in the genealogical and historical community, who may be researching their family.

11:22:54 From Cousin Russ :
11:23:02 From Kathleen Daetsch : I just got in touch with cousins whose grandmothers where children of the orphan train
11:25:01 From Kathleen Daetsch : One of my grandmother’s uncles children were put on the orphan train.
11:25:37 From Deb Andrew : Georgia Tann
11:25:46 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : Legacy family Tree Webinars had a Wonderful one on Reclaim your Records
11:25:49 From Kathleen Daetsch : Yes they made a movie about her
11:26:55 From Kathleen Daetsch : the children on the orphan train were not adopted
11:27:42 From Kathleen Daetsch : They were more like forster children.
11:27:48 From Sheila Benedict : Sorry – very interesting but I have to leave. I still have to get caught up since returning from my month in Ireland!! Bye
11:29:09 From Deb Andrew : Diane Elder did an article on my sister-in-law, who was sold by Georgia Train
11:29:26 From Randy Seaver : but Norway has the fjords that go deep into the country – if you could get to the fjord you could go to a port on the ocean.
11:30:22 From Betty-Lu Burton : That is different than here in the USA where mountains were barriers and many did not go around or over them
11:30:35 From Randy Seaver : Linda’s ancestors went to Bergen to sail to America – one group down the river from Voss, one group down the fjord from Sogndal

Virtual Family Reunions
11:33:03 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : DearMYRTLE and Cousin VIRTUAL FAMILY REUNIONS with our host Geoff Rasmussen.

11:33:42 From June Butka : Great job, all.

11:34:02 From Cousin Russ : FAMILY HISTORY RON (Ron Tanner, of FamilySearch Family Tree) We have a live THIS WEEK! You can submit your questions right here: .
11:34:13 From June Butka : He does a great job.
11:34:56 From Cousin Russ :

11:35:57 From Cousin Russ : RootsMagic has added Live Chat to its customer support options. Read about in in The Genealogy Guys Blog at
11:36:22 From Cousin Russ : FGS 2019 Shout Out: Debra A. Hoffman “History & Records of the German Aid Societies (PA, SC, MD, NY.)” German Aid societies helped German-speaking immigrants address grievances and acclimate to their new home in the United States. Learn about the social and economic factors that led to the founding of these societies as well as the history of the four major societies and the types of records available to researchers. Join Debra FRIDAY, AUGUST 23RD at 11:00 AM. And check out her other sessions! Have you registered for FGS 2019 yet?
11:36:24 From John Goodwin to All panelists : Speaking of Wikitree. I joined it recently. Is it just me or do you find the site a little hard to use. It doesn’t seem really user friendly and it seems disjointed.
11:36:47 From June Butka : I wish I felt better about source and citing on wikitree.

11:37:03 From DearMYRTLE : BCG Application Guide (Free download) The BCG Application Guide, provided free of charge, describes the requirements for certification. Digital download only. > View and Download the BCG Application Guide (PDF, Revised 2019, ©BCG)

11:37:28 From Hilary Gadsby : John if you need help message me my Id is Buckle-52
11:39:00 From Deb Andrew to All panelists : Hillary I might take you up on it.
11:39:07 From John Goodwin to All panelists : Thanks Hilary. I hope to catch on. It is just frustrating. Hoping it is just a learning curve issue.
11:39:37 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : ty
11:40:15 From Hilary Gadsby : Don’t forget the hints you get when you first join. If you didn’t receive them let me know
11:40:18 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : thank you
11:40:55 From Molly McKinley : Safe travels
11:41:08 From Kathleen Daetsch : bye

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ARCHIVED: AmericaGen Study Group – Chapter 3 Surveying, Analyzing & Planning

Val Greenwoods bookSYLLABUS
The Researchers Guide to American Genealogy 4th Edition by Val D. Greenwood, 2017 (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co.) Available in paperback

AmericaGen Study Group Chapter 3 “Surveying, Analyzing & Planning”

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00:38:22 Melissa Barker: Hello Everyone! Joining from the Houston County, TN. Archives!
00:39:45 Shelley Murphy: Hey there Lisa, Marcelne, Liberty, Sheri, Cheri…
00:39:55 Melissa Barker: Great Panel of all my favorites!
00:40:17 Cousin Russ: AmericaGen Study Group Chapter 3 Surveying, Analyzing & Planning combined homework
00:40:59 Cousin Russ: Marceline Beem – Chapter 3 homework –
00:45:15 Shelley Murphy: I think it provides and opportunity to ask it questions, you are talking to yourself.
00:47:06 Shelley Murphy: Yes Lisa! Thanks.
00:48:01 Sheryl Whisenhunt: I have learned that the hard way.
00:48:19 Cousin Russ: Liberty Evanko – Chapter 3 homework –
00:50:09 Janine Edmée Hakim: Good morning all
00:50:11 Anna Matthews: I’m working on a timeline that is morphing into a combination of timeline, research plan and research log. Its an excel file with multiple sheets.
00:52:04 DearMYRTLE: <3
00:52:56 Danine Cozzens: Question: How does one determine on Ancestry which family tree is copying from whom? I go by the sources (are there any?) and whether they agree with what I know so far. Any tips welcome!

Map Guide to US Federal Census

00:57:38 Cousin Russ: Map Guide to the U.S. Federal Censuses, 1790-1920 Second Printing 1988 Edition by William Thorndale (Author),‎ William Dollarhide
00:58:09 Danine Cozzens: Thank you!
00:59:08 Valerie Lisk: How do you do a T chart on the computer?
00:59:17 Janine Edmée Hakim: indeed….thank you so much, that is a GREAT chart
00:59:23 Deb Andrew: There is one other thing I check with an Ancestry tree, how close is the home person from the ancestor and are they a direct descendant.
00:59:36 Shelley Murphy: I am back,
00:59:52 Valerie Lisk: Thnak you.
00:59:53 Shelley Murphy: russ I have my ear buds in, if you need me
01:00:01 Cousin Russ: Shelley Murphy – Chapter 3 homework –
01:00:43 Valerie Lisk: Thank you Myrt! I could never get my lines to line up correctly.
01:04:14 Danine Cozzens: Love the So What? Questioning.
01:05:49 Shelley Murphy: go for it!
01:07:49 Janine Edmée Hakim: that is the frustration wit only having access to an index the sometime quite on quote ancillary information goldmine in a document
01:08:16 Cousin Russ: Melinda Dosch Culpon – Chapter 3 homework –

01:16:12 Sheryl Whisenhunt: Okay, I have listened to Pat long enough now that duct tape or no duct tape, I can hear you. 🙂

01:16:21 Liberty Evanko: Sorry it is when you add a person like a spouse of child that they added the dates
01:16:28 Cousin Russ: Sheri Beffort Fenley – Chapter 3 homework –

01:17:28 DearMYRTLE: (I am trying to be good!)
01:17:46 Sheryl Whisenhunt: LOL
01:17:51 Liberty Evanko: On FamilySearch it shows the dates when you add a new person. For example, California says State, 1850-present under it.
01:18:29 Melissa Barker: This is great! I am going to be talking about “Where Are The Records?” tonight on Wacky Wednesday with The Archive Lady! Come Join Us!
01:19:50 Valerie Lisk: When you come across chattel entries, are you placing that info anywhere?
01:20:16 Shelley Murphy: Oh Melissa, that’s good, I will be there!
01:21:39 Shelley Murphy: @Geri, University of the Pacific I think
01:23:55 Danine Cozzens: General question about states and territories: Should one “convert” locations to current state or (e.g. Oregon) list the name of what it was when the event occured? (e.g. Oregon Territory)?

01:27:32 Cousin Russ: If you are have genealogy methodogy, technology or research questions, be sure to consult Katherine R. Willson’s Genealogy on Facebook listing of over 10,000+ groups and pages
01:27:53 Shelley Murphy: so key to make that list!

01:31:33 Cousin Russ: Cheryl Hudson Passey – Chapter 3 homework –

New York Family History Research Guide and Gazetteer01:34:43 Randi Patrick: We are very fortunate in NY since the NYGB created the New York Family History Research Guide & Gazetteer. This Gazetteer includes the whole state. It includes for every locality in NY all of the name changes to include the dates of the changes, a map of the location and all municipalities/jurisdictions involved with that location. And much more. Other jurisdictions also have these types of Gazetteers. FYI.
01:36:46 Cousin Russ: New York Family History Research Guide and Gazetteer;jsessionid=BF79EEACC27BFBF4B67555738C5D375A-n1?product=278&catalogId=2&

01:37:55 Deb Andrew: My family lore was our grandmother was 1/2 Native American. She even said something along that line. Everyone in the family knows that story. After many DNA test and doing a mtDNA test, no Native American.

01:38:25 Cousin Russ: Lisa Hork Gorrell – Chapter 3 homework –


01:42:52 Shelley Murphy: Love PERSI [PERiodical Source Index]

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01:51:04 Sheryl Whisenhunt: This has been another great session!
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01:52:32 Shelley Murphy: Thank you…see you next month on Chapter 4 with Cheri and I.

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ARCHIVED: Mondays with Myrt – 19 Feb 2018


In which we discuss Reclaim the Records, rootsfinder, 1939 register, virtual speaker contracts, New York research, and NERGC’s 2019 featured speakers.


00:18:50 Bill West: Goood afternoon from balmy Massachusetts!
00:19:36 Sheryl Whisenhunt: Good Morning from snowy California Sierra’s.
00:20:35 Melissa Barker: Hello Dustin! My Federal Holiday Buddy! LOL!
00:21:23 Jacqueline Wilson: Hello from a warm & rainy Chicago!

00:21:37 Cousin Russ: DearMYRTLE and Cousin Russ recognize the United Nations’ International Decade for People of African Descent 2015-2024. We reach out to all regardless of race, color, creed, sexual orientation or national origin with support for researching family and documenting cultural inheritance.

00:22:38 Cousin Russ: AmericaGen STUDY GROUP – Chapter 2 – 21 Feb 2018, Researchers Guide to American Genealogy 4th Edition by Val D. Greenwood, 2017 (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co.) Available in paperback Noon Eastern US (New York), 11am Central (Chicago), 10 am Mountain (Salt Lake City and Denver), 9am Pacific (Los Angeles). REGISTRATION PAGE
00:22:42 Valerie Eichler Lair: Sorry I couldn’t join the panel today. To-do list is a 100 miles long of things to get done before Wednesday morning. I’m looking forward to the end of this week when ALL is done. 🙂

00:22:49 Cousin Russ: ALBION’S SEED STUDY GROUP Albion’s Seed: Four British Folkways in America by David Hackett Fischer s, 1989 (New York: Oxford University Press).7 Mar 2018 Borderlands to the Back Country: The Flight from North Britain 1717-1775 REGISTRATION PAGE:

00:24:36 Hilary Gadsby: Good day everyone. I will miss the first webinar in March as I will be on my way back from RootsTech I may watch some of it as flight doesn’t ;eave until 10:30 from SLC.
00:24:37 Cousin Russ: THE ARCHIVE LADY – 21 Feb 2018 – We are delighted to feature our resident archivist Melissa Barker, who serves as the Certified Archives Manager at the Houston County, Tennessee Archives. A popular genealogical speaker, author and blogger, Melissa is also the FGS Forum Reviews Editor. REGISTRATION URL
00:24:40 Dustin: Go Melissa! Go Archives!
00:25:05 Larry Naukam: Indeed! Go Archives!
00:29:41 Dave Robison: Timeline of Massachusetts history contains this entry: 1786: The Ohio Land Company was formed, resulting in the emigration of many Massachusetts residents to Ohio.
00:29:49 Dave Robison:
00:30:20 Bill West: Lol, Randy, we’ll be having a heat wave here tomorrow with temps in the 50’s.
00:30:27 Dustin: Several families in the nerihboring county were from Massachusetts
00:30:45 Melissa Barker: Randy, it’s suppose to be in the 70’s today here in Tennessee! LOL!

Special Guest Larry Naukam

The In-Depth Genealogist (IDG) is pleased to present their newest in-brief research guide in the research series by writer, Larry Naukam, entitled “An In-Brief Guide to New York Genealogy”. Larry writes the column “Doing it Ourselves” for The In-Depth Genealogist’s digital magazine, Going In-Depth. Larry holds degrees in Geography, Library Science, and Divinity. For more than 30 years he has worked in libraries and information centers, using various techniques and technologies to enhance access to historical materials. As technologies have developed he has used them to make collections more accessible for students and researchers.

00:30:52 Cousin Russ: An In-Brief Guide to New York Genealogy by Larry Naukam
00:34:43 Melissa Barker: Tennessee requires that each county have a county historian.
00:36:03 Jacqueline Wilson: Randy: Chicago is the same temp today & tomorrow. Now 58 instead of 22!

Rochester Genealogical Society

Breaking News The Federation of Genealogical Societies (FGS) awarded the Rochester Genealogical Society with the 2017 Federation of Genealogical Societies Outstanding Society Technology Award. The award was given at the FGS’s national conference in Pittsburgh, PA at the end of August. The Rochester Genealogical Society received this commendation for our use of web resources to educate other genealogists as well as working to archive genealogical records.” Source:

New York Heritage
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00:41:49 Larry Naukam:
Internet Archive
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00:45:45 Dave Robison: I have a cousin in Rochester who moved there from Alabama. It was his father who worked in the DNA lab at Duke University in the early 60s
00:46:19 Randy Seaver: I have ancestors from early New York (Dutch, French, English), the Hudson River Valley (Dutch and German) and upstate (Watertown area and Buffalo area).
New York Archives Conference
00:51:15 Cousin Russ: NYAC New York Archives Conference

00:53:10 Cousin Russ: From Randy Seaver’s GeneaMusings Blog we explored “RootsFinder Delivers Powerful New Tools to Genealogists for FREE” NOTE: This is the rootsfinder video Randy recommends viewing. Congrats to Dallan Quass and Heather Henderson for coming up with an online tree environment with hinting, to-do lists, source indications, and even some reports.

Cyndi Ingles ( said “Yesterday I had 3 different people ask me if I had any webinars recorded. They each told me that they want to be able to share them at their local society meetings. I told them that the recorded webinars aren’t meant to be shown at a group meeting. They are for individuals only, often behind a subscription or membership wall. I said they must read the terms of service and that they *must* get the permission of the webinar host and the speaker. 2 of the ladies said, “Oh, it’s only for my small local group. Under 10 people.”  Source:

01:07:03 Jacqueline Wilson: It is just plain rude!
01:07:54 June Butka: Sometimes people do not make it clear in their request that they are willing to pay. I know a few years back I asked to show a webinar becasue our society lost its speaker due to ilness at the last minute. I did not make it clear the society was willing to pay in my first post in my rush to make the request.
01:08:19 Larry Naukam: I was at a rock concert a few years ago, and the performer stopped and called out the offender
01:10:19 Valerie Lisk: By day 4 my brain is not processing, but when the presenter says “do not record.” I do not record. It’s just good manners.
01:12:16 Randy Seaver: I encourage attendees to take photos of my screen when I do my “Ancestry – Be a Family History Detective” talk at libraries and groups. They also get a two page handout. All of what I share in that talk is public and shared many times. I think that encourages beginners to start family history collecting and research.
01:14:54 Hilary Gadsby: The speakers should be able to decide what they want unless the organiser has made it clear what they want at the start.
01:15:08 Joanne Shackford Parkes: Copying someone’s slides via a camera or video is very different than taking notes at their presentation. Also there are many, many free presentations that folks studying genealogy can use to learn from – these videos, FamilySearch, the first presentations by many societies. It’s just wrong to copy when the speaker asks you not to do that!
01:18:55 Randy Seaver: Of course, you could do an outline of your detail handout to those societies that want it public. A lot of the RootsTech handouts are just outlines.
01:20:05 Larry Naukam: We have a lawyer who is a society member, and he keeps us on the proper path

IMAGE: DearMYRTLE has added this information and citation (optional) for her grandmothers Social Security Death Index entry to make it easier for folks to find Frances.

01:21:07 Cousin Russ: New Option on the Social Security Death Index Record from Ancestry
01:22:34 Randy Seaver: This would be really helpful for millions of John Smiths that don’t give a middle name
01:23:42 Jacqueline Wilson: I have family living in Chariton, Iowa!
01:24:52 Joanne Shackford Parkes: I like the View/Add alternate information fields in Ancestry — didn’t know it had been added to more documents! I do a name study of Shackford’s and am frequently adding alternative info when someone makes a transcription error to make a correction (i.e. that it was Shackelford, Shackleford, or some other variation.). I get it that Russ doesn’t agree on indexes but I do find these notes very helpful.
01:25:06 Valerie Lisk: I correct surnames I know. If it’s indexed Sisk instead of Lisk or Bonkhead instead of Bankhead.
01:25:08 Larry Naukam: I have an uncle for I am sure is deceased -and his children from his 4 marriages do not know when he died.
01:25:40 Randy Seaver: For the SSDI, you have to get the actual SS-5 card to find the maiden name or middle name. The Social Security Applications and Claims database often has those, and the parents names too
01:26:40 Randy Seaver: but not every person in the SSDI has a SSA&C entry
01:28:08 Joanne Shackford Parkes: This alternative information field is just that, alternative information, it doesn’t change the index itself, just might lead someone to the right source if it had been indexed incorrectly or may lead someone to a possible source if the index didn’t have enough information (i.e. maiden name, or misspelling).
01:28:57 Larry Naukam: Last week during my shift at the FHC I had a young user who could not read cursive!
01:29:40 Randy Seaver: When the addition is made to a database like this, the addition/correction should be displayed below the indexed information, not replace it. I think that’s what Ancestry will do.
01:33:07 Donna Burleaud: Perhaps its better to add a ‘comment’ to the side…
01:34:43 June Butka: A good example is of index not making changes unless you can view the image is 3 Valentine Colby born to the same parents. Each name was spelled different was and birth dates were different
01:35:35 June Butka: I agree with Cousin Russ.
01:36:16 Hilary Gadsby: The trouble with most of the indexes is that they are not originals and have required interpretation
01:36:23 Dave Robison: Hey Bruce….Good to see you here!!
01:38:00 Dave Robison: Great conversation and timely for me. I’m doing “Transcription vs. Abstraction vs. Extraction” at a local genealogy club tonight. This will add some additional discussion…

1939 Register

01:39:27 Cousin Russ:
01:40:55 Larry Naukam: All genealogists come upon GIGO -garbage in, gospel out
01:43:27 June Butka: The blog I’m currently working on is a good example of why it is best to look at the original, not an index. 3 valentine Colby’s. Census has Colby/Colbey/Colley or Volintin/Valllentin/ Valentine/Voltin are different spellings and people.

01:44:44 Cousin Russ: New England Regional Genealogical Conference Announces 2019 Keynotes
01:46:16 June Butka: Looking forward to NERGC. Great link up.
01:46:24 Cousin Russ: *WEBINARS: Pay what you want* by DearMYRTLE.

01:46:49 Cousin Russ: WHAT TO EXPECT – RootsTech’s Innovation Showcase
01:48:41 Valerie Eichler Lair: I’d like to invite anyone who is not a member of APG, but you are taking clients and doing DNA research for them…please attend tonight’s APG webinar. I am the Moderator. Blaine Bettinger and Karen Stanbary are the speakers about DNA Client Expectations and Contracts. Register at  🙂
01:50:03 Randy Seaver: will the Media Hub be open on Wednesday night in Expo Hall? [YES]
01:50:21 MarciaPhilbrick: For those Not going to RootsTech — follow Twitter #notatrootstech
01:50:54 Cousin Russ: The Conversation continues —
01:53:40 Cousin Russ: ATTN: Genealogy Content Providers The monthly “Book of Me” content prompts will be posted by Julie Goucher starting 1 January 2018.

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01:56:14 Cousin Russ: The Conversation continues —


Here’s the link to DearMYRTLE’s Event Calendar –

Here’s the link to the GeneaWebinars Blog & Calendar of other genealogy webinars, chats and hangouts –

MyHeritage: Smart “stitching” and search for New York arrivals 1820-1957

90 million records from the Ellis Island and Other New York Passenger Lists collection bring to light the stories of millions of immigrations, arrivals and visits to America spanning 138 years

Ellis Island & Other New York Passenger Lists

TEL AVIV, Israel & LEHI, Utah, November 2, 2017 – MyHeritage, the leading international family history and DNA company, announced today the addition of the Ellis Island and Other New York Passenger Lists 1820-1957 collection to SuperSearch™, the company’s global search engine containing more than 8.25 billion historical records. The records are of major significance for anyone looking to trace their immigrant ancestors’ arrival in America, and include names, dates, countries of origin, addresses of family members and friends, occupations, and physical descriptions, among many other details.

The passenger manifests are an unparalleled source of information spanning key years of immigration from all over the world, including those entering the United States as refugees during the First and Second World Wars. The records include millions of entries via Ellis Island, which opened its doors on January 1, 1892. The first 72 years of the collection pre-date Ellis Island; Prior to the establishment of Ellis Island, the primary immigration station in New York City was Castle Garden, which opened in 1855, and before then, immigrants were received at several piers across the city. Towards the end of the time frame, in the 1940s and 1950s, advancements in transportation methods are noticeable as records begin to include those who arrived via airplane to various airports in and around the city. The plethora of information in the records is expected to invigorate family histories, adding previously unknown stories of how family members uprooted their lives, and replanted them in the United States.

As of 1897, immigration officials began asking those entering the United States for the name and address of the relative or friend whom they are joining in the USA, and in 1907 they began asking for the name and address of their closest relative or friend in their home country. The responses to these supplemental questions, that have been filled in the passenger manifests, have now been indexed by MyHeritage for the very first time, yielding an additional 26.6 million names in the Ellis Island and Other New York Passenger Lists collection on MyHeritage. These passenger manifests have been digitized by other organizations in the past, but the answers to these vital supplemental questions have never been indexed — until now. Furthermore, many of the passenger manifests span two pages, and a common omission for genealogists has been to locate the first page and miss the existence of the second. MyHeritage has solved this problem for the first time by stitching the double pages into single document images, ensuring that users do not miss information again.

Many historical figures of interest are found among these records, including Albert Einstein (who arrived in the US on October 17, 1933), former U.S. Secretary of State Madeline Albright (arrived November 11, 1948) and Charlie Chaplin (arrived October 1912). Composer and songwriter Irving Berlin who moved to the U.S. in 1903, appears on several manifests arriving from different places in Europe.

Users with family trees on MyHeritage will immediately benefit from Record Matching technology that automatically reveals new information about their ancestors who appear in these records.

“The Ellis Island and Other New York Passenger Lists 1820-1957 collection is a major asset on MyHeritage is a major asset for family history enthusiasts,” said Russ Wilding, Chief Content Officer at MyHeritage. “When we digitized this collection we employed out-of-the-box thinking to cover important aspects that were overlooked by others in the past. This makes this collection on MyHeritage the most complete and useful of its kind.”

MyHeritage is working to add additional immigration records into the collection from other port cities from around the United States, as well as several important Canadian border crossings, in the near future.

Searching the Ellis Island and Other New York Passenger Lists collection is free. A subscription is required to view records and scanned images and to access Record Matches.

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