Mondays with Myrt – 24 June 2019


Hilary spotlights WikiTree’s Connect A-Thon, while Gary brings up the technical topic of Ancestry’s DBID (database IDs) disappearing from the address bar. We discuss the advisability of working all possible ancestors through one database at a time, Graham reports on the York Family History Fair. We note RootsMagic is adding live chat tech support. Yvonne notes Canada is taking it’s first cold case to trial with the DNA/genealogy techniques being utilized in the US. We applaud New York State for opening adoption records to adult adoptees.



09:41:52 From Pat Kuhn  :

09:43:12 From DearMYRTLE : This is the USB headset Dave Robison likes.

09:49:15 From Graham Walter : Family History Fair York

Photos from York fair
09:59:47 From Yvonne Demoskof :

10:01:23 From Graham Walter : Hello everyone from London
10:01:47 From Bill West to All panelists : Good morning from sunny Massachusetts!
10:01:49 From Sheryl Zeringue to All panelists : Hello from hot South Louisiana.
10:01:50 From Betty-Lu Burton : hi everyone
10:03:03 From Sheila Benedict : Hello from Central California – nice weather here.
10:03:10 From Launa : I’m at salt lake FamilySearch lib scanning my grandfather’s pix
10:03:35 From June Butka : Hello, from Southern New Hampshire., United States.
10:04:14 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : Hello from Northern California in the Sierra Nevadas…cool day so far.
10:04:14 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : Hello from Levittown, Pennsylvania : )
10:04:19 From Robbin Smith to All panelists : hiya from Miami!
10:05:25 From Mary Lou Gravatt : Hi from New Jersey, USA
10:05:44 From JoAnn Lawrence : Hello from West New Jersey

10:06:10 From Geoffrey Cooker : Hello from Shabbona, Illinois
10:08:29 From Randy Seaver  : Here is the link to the photo Socks company –

10:08:52 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : LOL
10:09:11 From Pamela Wells : My name is Pamela ROBERSON Wells and my family was from Virginia, West Virginia, North Carolina & Ohio
10:11:27 From Betty-Lu Burton : My grandmother’s father spelled his name Hawk, she and her siblings spelled it Hawke. I have not idea why the e was added
10:12:16 From Molly McKinley : One of my Hames lines changed their name to Haynes due to a falling out with one of the brothers in that generation.
10:13:24 From Deb Andrew : My great was. Robson.
10:13:51 From Pamela Wells : Absolutely NO I don’t have the same spellings through every Census… family’s name: ROBERSON, were ROBER(T)SON, ROBINSON, ROBESON, ROBISON, etc. Even within the family our family there are differences…. Laughing out loud
10:13:55 From Launa : my grandmother was Hancks Hanks
10:14:04 From Randy Seaver : Ideally, the records all have the same spelling of the name. The Rosanna Lanfear War of 1812 pension application got bogged down because the soldier enlisted as Lamfear and Lamifear, and the pension dept couldn’t connect the two for years.
10:14:13 From ERIC COOK to All panelists : Hi from Iowa!
10:14:49 From Rachel Evans : my great-grandfather changed the name from Macken to Mackin due to not wanting to be associated with a funeral home. Oddly he ended up building caskets for a living.
10:15:41 From Pamela Wells : In my D.A.R. membership, I found my family McDORMAN with a cousin’s family whose brothers spelled their names differently who spelled McDERMENT! Rumor was the family didn’t like one another!
10:16:25 From Geoffrey Cooker to All panelists : What do you think of the theory that names, especially as applied in later life, used the spelling of what the ancestor felt was the most prominent document, ie, a will or military discharge…
10:16:46 From Kathleen Daetsch : My O’Bryon line has many different spellings I think it was to try to keep them streight because so many of them have the same first name and they lived in a small community.
10:17:54 From Gary Gauthier : There is a funeral home in Orangeville, Ontario that is called Butchers. How strange.
10:18:48 From Bill West to All panelists : My Ellingwood relativess spelled it Ellinwood, Ellenwood, Allenwod, and one Ellwood.
10:18:48 From Betty-Lu Burton : My Huyck were educated people from the 1600’s on and spelled their name Huyck since 1700. I always know when they spelled the name and when someone else misspelled the name.
10:18:52 From Pamela Wells : For D.A.R we had to find a Chancery suit that was filed and prove it in that manner.
10:18:57 From Sheila Benedict : When my great grandfather and grandfather came to America Illegially through Canada in 1893, he changed the surname to Klein because he met someone with that name. I have NO relations with that name.
10:19:12 From Geoffrey Cooker to All panelists : The King/Koenig example is an excellent observation
10:19:52 From Randy Seaver : I have the Konig/King line in York PA. They switched to King in about 1800
10:19:55 From June Butka : I make a comment section of the ancestors profile page. Dated. with source/s. I add what I see. AKA notation.
10:20:16 From Betty-Lu Burton : For Liv. Some of my Norwegian immigrants took the farm name and some of the siblings took the patronmics of the father
10:20:47 From Geoffrey Cooker to All panelists : There is a good example of this with the British royal family…Battenburg to Mountbatten…
10:21:17 From Dave Robison to All panelists : Randy, That’s exactly when “my” Konig changed their name, the generation directly after the Patriot. By the way, they were from Pennsylvania!
10:21:20 From jeannecourval to All panelists : I had the issue that it isn’t always the person who is mispelling their name. I found so many variations of one of my family names – mastifeed, mustapha, mustifpher These are all the ways it was found in census records. It think these were ways that the census takers thought the name was spelled.
10:21:26 From Randy Seaver : I add each name variation in my RootsMagic profile and add the source. We have this discussion in every one of my Beginning Computer Genealogy classes at OASIS and CVGS. It’s not unusual for there to be 5 to 10 different names in the records for a person.
10:21:36 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : That is why, researching is never finalized.
10:22:05 From June Butka : I do the same as Cousin Russ. It is a name fact.
10:22:38 From Hilary Gadsby : The problems are even worse when a totally different name is recorded and you have to prove it is the same person.
10:22:38 From Liv Christensen : In Norway and among American emigrants from Norway, you have the same “problem”, Betty Lu. So the discussion is very valid for us too.
10:22:45 From Marcia Philbrick to All panelists : My 2nd great grandfather is Washington Crawford in some records and Marion Crawford in other records. Even his civil war records have his name listed both ways. Figuring out that they are the same person is difficult! Cousin Russ’ use of name fact is a great way to document. I’m also trying to go back and add a ‘comment’ to the person on my Ancestry tree (as suggested by Crista Cowan).
10:22:52 From Betty-Lu Burton : I put it as an alternate name unless I know their was an actual name change
10:23:13 From June Butka : A timeline is also done if they look like two people.
10:23:17 From Randy Seaver : I use alternate names as a name fact.
10:23:18 From jeannecourval to All panelists : If I have a birth record or a death record, I usually use one of those. For the others, I use as alternatives names.
10:24:00 From Leah Smith : Affidavit from parish priest was needed to explain name differences, due to dit names. two married names, both of which were Anglicized from French. I use name fact for each name and add notes.
10:24:04 From Robbin Smith : Now I am grateful to be a Smith!
10:24:14 From marian koalski : I think everyone probably has a horror story about missing a key record due to an alternate spelling that was missed
10:26:02 From Gary Gauthier : I have a great aunt who was born Augusta Ethleen Wells, but always went by Addie Wells.
10:26:07 From Sheila Benedict : I live and worked in area with a very large Danish community. They are very specific that the ending of the name is sEn. If anyone has sOn, they are usually not Davish = at least not here.
10:26:15 From Hilary Gadsby : I could not find a birth for my 2xgt grandmother as she was registered with a different first name.

10:26:50 From Bill West to All panelists : I thought my ears were burning a while ago!
10:26:51 From Cousin Russ : Great advice from Bill West about using tags in your Ancestry Member Tree. 🤗 “Making Lists with Ancestry’s Tree MyTreeTags”

10:26:58 From Sheila Benedict : Danish not Davish – sorry
10:27:27 From Bill West to All panelists : Thank you!
10:27:34 From June Butka : I love the Hypothesis and verified tags.
10:28:21 From jeannecourval to All panelists : was that info – it was too quick for me to copy
10:28:27 From Cousin Russ :
10:29:41 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : Yes
10:30:18 From June Butka : Many have a rainbow wedding from the time. I was the pink dress in my sister wedding.
10:33:05 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : Good to know about the new record release
10:35:59 From June Butka : FYI. The Town of Sutton is doing a five generation of who lived in your home. A new way to look a family genealogy.
10:36:24 From June Butka : New Hampshire.
10:36:52 From Dave Robison : June, Sutton Massachusetts??
10:37:07 From Dave Robison : New Hampshire…thanks!
10:37:20 From Randy Seaver : June, how are they doing it? From census records, land records, directories?
10:37:50 From June Butka : I was not able to stand up for my sister or my Best Friend for their catholic marriages.
10:38:32 From Dave Robison : My mother wasn’t allowed to wear white, get married on Saturday the traditional day, nor in the church. She married my Methodist father in the rectory on a Wednesday in a purple dress!
10:39:16 From Randy Seaver : Presbyterian records added 17 Nov 2016
10:39:56 From Randy Seaver : I use my Added/Updated on Ancestry posts
10:42:04 From Randy Seaver : ah, way down in the left-hand corner is the database ID number
10:42:11 From Randy Seaver : .
10:43:50 From Randy Seaver : That is much easier than my workaround when using the text in the URL didn’t work for me.
10:45:19 From Dave Robison : I’m getting the dbid in the lower left on a PC
10:46:07 From Marcia Philbrick to All panelists : I’m not seeing lower left address! I’m using Chrome
10:46:22 From June Butka : I noticed that pop in the lower left. I wasn’t sure what that meant. Thank you.
10:47:08 From Randy Seaver : I see it using Chrome but Windows 7
10:47:28 From Graham Walter : Good tip Gary!
10:47:32 From DearMYRTLE . : I am using Win 10 and Chrome – both updated
10:47:38 From Marcia Philbrick to All panelists : Do you put the dbid in a citation?
10:48:58 From Valerie Lisk : Paste it in the address bae and don’t hit enter. You will see the dbid.
10:49:31 From June Butka : I missed that Randy Post.
10:50:27 From Randy Seaver : The Genea-Musings post with the list of dbid for some collections is at
10:51:33 From Randy Seaver : Marcia, it might be a good idea to put the dbid in a citation…the number itself shouldn’t change.
10:53:25 From Hilary Gadsby : We use the dbids when linking in an Ancestry citation from WikiTree if the record is not available elsewhere.
10:54:24 From jeannecourval to All panelists : ­­Will this help me with an issue I had a few years ago? I found a record on I could next get to it on ancestry. com even though I knew it should be. If I find the record on can i find the dbid info there and then use that to get to in on [NOTE: FamilySearch does not use DBID, Ancestry does.]
10:56:15 From Randy Seaver : My most recent post about finding dbid is It refers to a May 2018 post at
10:56:36 From Randy Seaver : Sorry for the multi posts, but Ancestry keeps messing us up with changes to their URLs
10:57:13 From jeannecourval to All panelists : But I didn’t find the record on I only found it on
10:57:36 From Randy Seaver : Jeanne no, you can’t find the dbid on FamilySearch – you have to find it on Ancestry.
10:57:41 From jeannecourval to All panelists : OK, I will try that
10:57:48 From June Butka : Randy we appreciate you keeping us up to date. Thank you.
10:59:13 From Randy Seaver : Jeanne, what is the database on FS and the name of the person you want to find?
10:59:28 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : lol
10:59:58 From jeannecourval to All panelists : I will have to check. I haven’t looked for a while.
11:00:14 From Randy Seaver : Jeanne, it sounds like the record on Ancestry was indexed differently than FS
11:00:44 From jeannecourval to All panelists : I agree. I just couldn’t figure out how it might be indexed on ancestry.
11:01:02 From Gary Gauthier : Have you noticed the number in the google URL?
11:01:39 From Randy Seaver : I did notice it, Gary, but it’s probably a link from before the change to text

11:05:32 From Cousin Russ : Family History Fair York
11:05:41 From Hilary Gadsby : I went to the show in York last year
11:06:04 From Randy Seaver : Note that this shows only the Hints that Ancestry has found for person profiles that they have provided Hints for. If your person doesn’t have Hints they won’t show up in the list of Hints for a specific database. Only a search for a specific person will show a result if the profile does not have Hints. Catch 23 here!

11:07:07 From Randy Seaver : Also, Hints only showe up for about 10% of all of Ancestry’s collection, so a search is necessary to find some of the goodies hiding in Ancestry collections.
11:07:11 From Hilary Gadsby : It was very popular when I was there last year
11:07:46 From Hilary Gadsby : Talks were on another floor
11:09:19 From Hilary Gadsby : Dundee
11:10:08 From Sheila Benedict : I have work in Lancashire – is that county represented there?
11:11:42 From Hilary Gadsby : I expect it would be as it is a neighbouring county
11:11:43 From Randy Seaver : or when bloggers can capture attention of a vendor!
11:13:35 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : Wonderful
11:14:12 From Graham Walter : Lancashire had a booth this year
11:15:37 From Geoffrey Cooker : DNA should be part of the mix
11:15:56 From Sheila Benedict : Thank you. I need to contact a genie or history society there. I have been to Preston but it has been some years ago.
11:17:14 From Graham Walter : Lancashire Family History & Heraldry Society
11:18:00 From Pamela Wells :
11:18:08 From Randy Seaver : Remember, law enforcement can use only FamilyTreeDNA and GEDmatch at this time, and GEDmatch just restricted access unless GEDmatch users opt-in

11:19:26 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : Have you heard yet as to My Heritage is going to Live Stream?
11:19:55 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : Yes the list was just released
11:20:43 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : Reclaim
11:20:53 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : AMEN
11:21:20 From Cousin Russ : From Brooke Schroeder Ganz: IT PASSED! The bill to allow adult adoptees access to their own records passed the New York State Assembly today by a vote of 126-2! Just when all seemed lost, and the bill was languishing in the Codes Committee and the remaining hours for this legislative session were running out, your phone calls of support helped finally push the bill forward to Rules Committee and then to the floor of the New York State Assembly. And the bill passed in “overtime” — the legislature was originally supposed to end its session last night at midnight! Thank you to everyone who made the phone call! Thank you for your support! Governor Cuomo has already said that he will sign the bill. This means that starting in January 2020, all New York adoptees over the age of eighteen will be able to get their original and unredacted birth certificates. And if the adoptee is deceased, their descendants can get it. For our friends in the genealogical and historical community, who may be researching their family.

11:22:54 From Cousin Russ :
11:23:02 From Kathleen Daetsch : I just got in touch with cousins whose grandmothers where children of the orphan train
11:25:01 From Kathleen Daetsch : One of my grandmother’s uncles children were put on the orphan train.
11:25:37 From Deb Andrew : Georgia Tann
11:25:46 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : Legacy family Tree Webinars had a Wonderful one on Reclaim your Records
11:25:49 From Kathleen Daetsch : Yes they made a movie about her
11:26:55 From Kathleen Daetsch : the children on the orphan train were not adopted
11:27:42 From Kathleen Daetsch : They were more like forster children.
11:27:48 From Sheila Benedict : Sorry – very interesting but I have to leave. I still have to get caught up since returning from my month in Ireland!! Bye
11:29:09 From Deb Andrew : Diane Elder did an article on my sister-in-law, who was sold by Georgia Train
11:29:26 From Randy Seaver : but Norway has the fjords that go deep into the country – if you could get to the fjord you could go to a port on the ocean.
11:30:22 From Betty-Lu Burton : That is different than here in the USA where mountains were barriers and many did not go around or over them
11:30:35 From Randy Seaver : Linda’s ancestors went to Bergen to sail to America – one group down the river from Voss, one group down the fjord from Sogndal

Virtual Family Reunions
11:33:03 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : DearMYRTLE and Cousin VIRTUAL FAMILY REUNIONS with our host Geoff Rasmussen.

11:33:42 From June Butka : Great job, all.

11:34:02 From Cousin Russ : FAMILY HISTORY RON (Ron Tanner, of FamilySearch Family Tree) We have a live THIS WEEK! You can submit your questions right here: .
11:34:13 From June Butka : He does a great job.
11:34:56 From Cousin Russ :

11:35:57 From Cousin Russ : RootsMagic has added Live Chat to its customer support options. Read about in in The Genealogy Guys Blog at
11:36:22 From Cousin Russ : FGS 2019 Shout Out: Debra A. Hoffman “History & Records of the German Aid Societies (PA, SC, MD, NY.)” German Aid societies helped German-speaking immigrants address grievances and acclimate to their new home in the United States. Learn about the social and economic factors that led to the founding of these societies as well as the history of the four major societies and the types of records available to researchers. Join Debra FRIDAY, AUGUST 23RD at 11:00 AM. And check out her other sessions! Have you registered for FGS 2019 yet?
11:36:24 From John Goodwin to All panelists : Speaking of Wikitree. I joined it recently. Is it just me or do you find the site a little hard to use. It doesn’t seem really user friendly and it seems disjointed.
11:36:47 From June Butka : I wish I felt better about source and citing on wikitree.

11:37:03 From DearMYRTLE : BCG Application Guide (Free download) The BCG Application Guide, provided free of charge, describes the requirements for certification. Digital download only. > View and Download the BCG Application Guide (PDF, Revised 2019, ©BCG)

11:37:28 From Hilary Gadsby : John if you need help message me my Id is Buckle-52
11:39:00 From Deb Andrew to All panelists : Hillary I might take you up on it.
11:39:07 From John Goodwin to All panelists : Thanks Hilary. I hope to catch on. It is just frustrating. Hoping it is just a learning curve issue.
11:39:37 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : ty
11:40:15 From Hilary Gadsby : Don’t forget the hints you get when you first join. If you didn’t receive them let me know
11:40:18 From Maria Capaldi to All panelists : thank you
11:40:55 From Molly McKinley : Safe travels
11:41:08 From Kathleen Daetsch : bye

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Mondays with Myrt – 6 May 2019




00:23:09 Melissa Barker: Good Morning from the Houston County, TN. Archives. Have some genealogists here doing research! Introducing them to Mondays with Myrt!
00:23:27 Robbin Smith: NIice!
00:23:39 Robbin Smith: hello from Miami
00:23:56 JoAnn: Cousin Russ thank you for the idea of adding the word “Undocumented” to the file name of a family tree. This warns anyone looking at this tree that there are items without documentation. I feel better about putting a tree I’m currently working on line, and know there may (are) errors and missing facts. Fair warning that the tree does not have backup facts. Thanks.
00:23:57 Michelle Minner: Hello from sunny Tucson, Arizona
00:24:06 Sheryl Whisenhunt: Good Morning from California.
00:24:10 Jill Zucker: hello from uk
00:25:43 Jenny Hawran: Hi from Connecticut. The rain has finally stopped after a zillion days in a row. 🙂
00:25:56 Pat Kuhn: Hello all!!!
00:27:09 Cousin Russ: Family History Expos
00:27:10 Danine Cozzens: Hello from overcast San Francisco Bay — Melissa, Mondays with Myrt is my hot tip for anyone learning genealogy.

00:27:41 Cousin Russ: DearMYRTLE’s Norwegian Study Group with Liv Christensen
00:29:16 Doris Haskell: Richard says hello to his buddy, Dear MYRT
00:29:17 Robbin Smith: good job Cousin Russ
Randy Seaver writes “How do I plan to save my genealogical research for posterity?” in 2014 and it really hasn’t changed –
00:38:58 Pat Kuhn: have it
00:40:13 DearMYRTLE .: ok Pat you will be next
00:42:55 Jill Zucker: which programme does he use again please? its not roots maci?
00:43:11 Deb Andrew: Roots Magic
00:43:31 Robbin Smith: and legacy
00:43:53 Jill Zucker: thanks
00:44:16 DearMYRTLE .:
00:44:48 Jill Zucker: hi – mac i am on
00:44:58 Randy Seaver: Legacy Family Tree because RootsMagic doesn’t do everything I want in reports.
00:45:10 Jill Zucker: thank you
00:46:22 Jill Zucker: ftm!!!
00:46:25 Cousin Russ:
00:47:11 Randy Seaver: I love RootsMagic for almost everything, but reports and books could be better.
00:47:49 Cousin Russ:
00:48:17 Cousin Russ:
00:48:45 Cousin Russ:
00:49:12 Cousin Russ:
00:50:07 Robbin Smith: russ, what was the plug-in for FTM you mentioned?
00:50:43 Cousin Russ: Family Book Creator
00:51:04 Cousin Russ: It’s in the store
00:51:19 Cousin Russ: I have some blog posts on it
00:51:37 Robbin Smith: thx
00:51:57 DearMYRTLE .: “jen of eve designs” has inspired some of my recent paper crafting work/fun.

01:02:37 Bill West: Good morning from sunny Massachusetts
01:03:41 Cousin Russ:
01:07:01 Bill West: I can’t go more than a few miles here in Massachusetts without seeing something that has something to do with my family history.
01:08:18 Gary Gauthier: My wife Joan would love to hear more about her Norwegian ancestors. Unfortunately; my plate is so full that it may take a while.

01:10:49 Randy Seaver: My wife has Norwegian ancestry. Linda and I went to the Norway Riksarkivet in 2012 before the Legacy cruise with Torill Johnsen as out guide – see
01:11:16 Gary Gauthier: Thank you Randy
01:11:21 DearMYRTLE .:
01:11:42 DearMYRTLE .: National Library or Norway search for
01:11:57 Cousin Russ:
01:12:04 Cousin Russ: National Library or Norway search for
01:13:00 Gary Gauthier: I think Joans ancestors came from a place called Søligor [?spelling]

01:17:03 Randy Seaver: I loved Roberta Estes’ post going to the family farm in Indiana
01:17:08 Cousin Russ: Roberta Estes writes ”The Fervida (Ferwerda, Ferverda) Farm – 52 Ancestors #237 an incredible journey. There are no coincidences.
01:17:51 Doris Haskell: I read this lengthy blog post! It was well worth the time. Reminds me of our trip last spring, in some ways.
01:17:51 Sue Tolbert: This is a wonderful piece!
01:17:59 Gary Gauthier: My brother and I do such trips. Fascinating!
01:18:04 Frances Stein: Read Ms. Estes’ post…amazing!
01:19:08 Doris Haskell: Does Jen of Eve have these envelopes and books with masculine themes?
01:21:53 Cousin Russ: Pat Kuhn – please see Doris’ post / question
01:24:23 Doris Haskell: OOOOhhhhh!

01:25:42 Doris Haskell: Thanks! We have cowboys, skateboarders, truck drivers, football players, etc.
01:25:46 Cousin Russ: Vectoria Designs on Etsy has some. very nice papers with the grunge and rugged look.
01:26:30 Gary Gauthier: Pat; will just be video muted for a moment.
01:26:58 Doris Haskell: It’s a good thing this is finals week for me. Then, I’ll have a little more time.
01:27:30 Launa: Should I be seeing a map?
01:32:50 Cousin Russ: email 20% off on Virginia books until midnight Eastern Daylight Time.

MyHeritage has just added the 1940 Denmark Census and writes “To mark this milestone, we are opening up access to ALL 105 million Danish records on MyHeritage for FREE, starting today and until May 12, 2019 (inclusive). As a bonus to delight our users with Nordic roots, we are also providing FREE access to ALL 48.6 million Finnish records on MyHeritage.”

01:34:28 Randy Seaver: I have found several more generations of my grandsons Danish ancestry using the census records and church records. The family lived in the southernmost province of Denmark that changed hands over the centuries between Denmark and Germany.

01:35:13 Deb Andrew: My birthday present was the book on North Carolina Research by Helen Lutts. The one you recommended.

Randy Seaver’s “My Forever Home Movie Digitization” using the services of

01:43:52 Cousin Russ: North Carolina Research: Genealogy and Local History 2nd Edition by Helen F. Leary
01:44:50 Randy Seaver: I also have the NC book b y Leary – there are excellent record descriptions that anyone can use, not just NC researchers. Kind of another Val Greenwood type of book.
01:45:15 Deb Andrew: So far I don’t have NC relatives either, but I also saw a few others was this book. So, I made this my b’day wish.
01:50:24 Gary Gauthier: In Scotland, burial plots pass from eldest some to eldest son. What a trail to follow.
01:50:47 Gary Gauthier: Son, not some :>)
01:51:31 John Laws: Found a LAWS who was Governor of Sing Sing Prison
01:53:03 Randy Seaver: I just invested in 100 gB of Google Drive storage – my free account was full. Now I need to set up the Sync to get the files into it. $2 a month for 100 gB.
01:54:33 Robbin Smith: you could install FTM on an external drive and run it from there
01:55:19 Gary Gauthier: I have a surface pro and I have many other apps on it
01:56:31 Cousin Russ: Install FTM on your Hard Drive

01:56:35 John Laws: Shall be in San Francisco & Reno Mid June my daughter is getting married.

Some Cool DearMYRTLE webinars of late

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ARCHIVED: Mondays with Myrt – 11 Mar 2019


Summing up this edition of Mondays with Myrt, Gary Gauthier writes “Really enjoyed the DNA discussion” while Doris Haskell adds “You are absolutely amazing!” I couldn’t agree more – the discussion among our webinar panelists and attendees is amazing. How I wish more of our in-person genealogy society meetings could be held in discussion rather than lecture format.

We demonstrate the problem with Ancestry DNA tools pages not loading, returning a 404 error. We shouldn’t have to clear our cache several times a day to overcome the problems at We discovered the “incognito” web browser option works best. We also discussed Debbie Parker Wayne’s interpretation of the DNA standards published in Genealogy Standards Second Edition, compiled by the Board for Certification of Genealogists, released in March 2019.

About half-way through, we wax poetic and discuss the definition of family. It can be more than blood relations, and thankfully most mainstream genealogy software can handle multiple sets of parents – adopted, step, disproved, etc. We demo how to add these using RootsMagic 7.



09:54:03 From Cousin Russ to All panelists :
10:01:01 From Robbin Smith : hello from Miami
10:01:53 From Gary Gauthier : DNA?
10:01:56 From Mary Lou Gravatt : New DNA tools.
10:02:23 From Gary Gauthier : I’m in Canada – Alberta
10:04:40 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : Yes, each time.
10:05:18 From Gary Gauthier to All panelists : Are you using Chrome to access Ancestry?
10:06:16 From Randy Seaver : I’m using Win7 and Chrome – had problems all week until I used the “Open Window Incognito” trick
10:06:17 From Gary Gauthier : Ok. It’s just that two browsers having the same issue seems to eliminate the browser.
10:06:21 From Lynn Tenney to All panelists : By deleting just the cookies, I was able to load the DNA pages without the error.
10:06:42 From Randy Seaver : Deleting Ancestry cookies helped me, but not consistently.
10:07:01 From Molly McKinley : I just got in without issues. I use Chrome and Windows 10
10:07:11 From Mary Lou Gravatt : I have ThruLines comes up when I click on an ancestor it says not found. I restarted the computer and it worked. I use Foxfire.
10:08:10 From Molly McKinley : New traits shows up on top
10:09:24 From Molly McKinley : Same here too
10:09:46 From Mary Lou Gravatt : I tried again and now ThruLines does not work.
10:10:38 From Linda Stufflebean : Roberta Estes wrote a post about now you see it, now you don’t last week.
10:11:06 From Molly McKinley : It goes right through to True Lines for me.
10:11:50 From Deb Andrew : I use Firefox, Windows 10, have ever thing that Russ has, it been there since they started the new items.
10:11:59 From Gary Gauthier to All panelists : Are you all using the same access port? Eg. .ca or .uk or .com? Maybe they all don’t work the same?

10:12:08 From Randy Seaver : In Windows, in the browser right click on the site you want (e.g. Ancestry) and open it by clicking “Open in Incognito Window” and it should work. Every time for me.
10:12:30 From Randy Seaver : Until they fix it all – coding, servers, etc. this is the best way to use it…

10:12:49 From Mary Buchholz to All panelists : When I signed in this morning — circles were back, NO ThruLines although I had used it on my page before.
10:13:28 From Randy Seaver : Google “incognito window” for a Mac.
10:13:36 From Randy Seaver : and follow directions
10:14:28 From Leslie Reyes to All panelists : I have not had any issues on iPad/Safari, MS Edge and chrome. I do remember that I needed to sign up for the beta about a week ago.
10:15:07 From Danine Cozzens : I’ve not had the trouble — the ThruLines are working well for me, on Chrome, Mac, updated. I use a utility which “tidies up” my caches. I’m a paid Ancestry customer. I have had “slow” days with Ancestry, mostly Sundays.
10:18:15 From Valerie Lisk : Ancestry hasn’t been working will in Chrome, I’ve only been able to use it on Firefox.
10:18:29 From Randy Seaver : Has anyone been able to see an updated ThruLines – one that has changed because you have changed your tree persons? I haven’t.
10:19:20 From Randy Seaver : This is from a “BIG Ancestry tree” created a year or more ago, and it’s probable that the lines won’t change.
10:28:11 From Randy Seaver : I use private trees to do research on ancestry of friends who don’t want it public, and also to build a quick tree for DNA matches with a small tree to find common ancestors. Works about 50% of the time.
10:30:40 From Cousin Russ :
10:31:34 From Hilary Gadsby : The link worked for me
10:32:07 From Dave Robison to All panelists : I get the error message in Chrome but it opens just fine in Firefox.
10:32:12 From Randy Seaver : link worked for me and started the video…
10:32:17 From Valerie Lisk : Myrt that is the page I get when I use Chrome. Try Firefox.
10:32:36 From Michelle Minner to All panelists : The color coding works the same as Blaine Bettinger’s color dots…and I have been using that…and I hope Ancestry keeps it!
10:33:39 From Michelle Minner to All panelists : DNA CONNECTION! woo hoo
10:33:44 From Michelle Minner to All panelists : MULTIPLE SPOUSES
10:33:51 From Randy Seaver : I’ve done some color coding for DNA matches, but haven’t used TreeTags. My working tree is temporary – I’ll eventually replace it.
10:34:45 From Randy Seaver : I ‘ve been adding “DNA Match” Facts in RootsMagic to identify my DNA Matxches, and then put them in AncestryDNA, MyHeritageDNA, 23andMe, FTDNA groups.
10:34:47 From Michelle Minner : Being able to FILTER on the tags is the BEST !!!
10:34:53 From Mary Lou Gravatt : My Ancestry Tree is private and unsearchable do not want to give wrong information. My DNA tree is smaller and public searchable.
10:34:54 From Randy Seaver : drat, Match!
10:35:37 From Michelle Minner to All panelists : yes’
10:36:30 From Shelley Murphy : My tree on Ancestry is nothing but all lines with a brick walls, which is a lot. It’s a mess. Once I figure it out or resolve the issue, I put in RootsMagic.
10:36:44 From Michelle Minner to All panelists : Don’t forget to show the other tags by dropping the down arrow… lots of different tree tags.
10:37:05 From cyndy Bray : Can you have more than one tag?
10:37:35 From Michelle Minner : Cyndy, YES! I have several tags on some individuals
10:38:01 From cyndy Bray : Thanks

Genealogy Standards 2nd edition

“DNA Standards – Part 1” see In the first part Debbie Parker Wayne paraphrased the standards for using DNA evidence for genealogy into bullet points.

10:40:37 From Gary Gauthier to All panelists : Nice to see someone boiling it down. (The standards.)
10:41:06 From June Butka : Not yet in an official way.
10:41:24 From Shelley Murphy : for DAR it’s a support tool
10:41:56 From Randy Seaver : I could start a proof argument for a DNA connection but I don’t know the connection between my Devier Lamphier Smith and his grandparents, Isaac and Rosina Lanfear.
10:42:22 From June Butka : DAR under specific guidelines to follow. The don’t accept a blanket DNA evidence.
10:43:37 From June Butka : Yes, that is what I’m saying . Thank you.
10:44:23 From June Butka : Guidelines for using DNA Evidence in DAR Applications
10:46:54 From Michelle Minner : I hired a DNA expert, because my sister did not match to parents or siblings…
10:48:10 From Gary Gauthier : I would imagine that when you don’t have firm links to family members, it’s wise to hire an expert.
10:49:32 From Robbin Smith : In genealogy terms, family is usually means a “blood” relative
10:49:39 From June Butka : My grandson is adopted. I still consider him my grandson.
10:49:52 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : It depends on whether you are talking about genetic family or emotional attachments
10:50:10 From Janine Edmée Hakim : I fully agree with you DearMyrt….family as a concept has evolved over the time humans have been here….
10:50:19 From Michelle Minner : My sister and I are STILL sisters, but she is obviously not BLOOD family.
10:50:27 From June Butka : PS I do have a bio family tree for my grandson.
10:50:45 From Randy Seaver : then there is “kin”!

10:50:51 From Shelley Murphy : DNA really raises the flags for me. I love the research and the connections, but if things are surprises or brings the unknown, folks need to be ready for it, its emotional and does damages to some.

10:50:55 From Valerie Lisk : 3 of my grandchildren are from my stepsons. They are still my grandchildren.
10:52:04 From June Butka : I’m everybody’s auntie June.
10:52:08 From Cheri Hudson Passey  : Y’all know I have both birth and adopted children. They are ALL my children. I hate it when people ask which are my real children. My answer? They all look real to me!!
10:52:40 From Randy Seaver : agree completely, Cheri!
10:53:03 From Andrew Hatchett to All panelists : It can be quite a shock when you find out that your brother- isn’t!
10:53:14 From Gary Gauthier : I understand that this is why France doesn’t allow DNA testing
10:54:56 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : My children’s friends children are like grandchildren to me their parents have been a part of my life since they were children now they have children who have been a part of my life since they were born We have become an extended family.
10:55:01 From Randy Seaver : bye cousin Dave!
10:55:13 From June Butka : I found the most of the DNA hints already in my tree.
10:55:44 From Cassandra Davis to All panelists : Deciding what your DNA tree is a huge question for me. What to include? How big? Today’s discussion great for me. Thanks.
10:55:51 From Randy Seaver : My daughter is a nanny for 3 children from infancy – she is part of their family. Holidays, dinners, etc.
10:57:17 From Cassandra Davis to All panelists : How to add non-blood family to your tree?
10:58:24 From Randy Seaver : Cassandra – I add them as individuals and then add Facts to tie them to a family. A nanny might be in a Fact like “Friend” or “Caregiver”
10:58:47 From Michelle Minner : My sister’s genetic line does not show up properly either! it keeps throwing MY DNA to her tree on Thrulines
11:00:32 From Cassandra Davis: Thanks. That is similar to how I have added midwives, pallbearers, ministers, and neighbors.
11:01:17 From Randy Seaver : good examples, Cassandra
11:01:37 From Shelley Murphy : I have not done it.
11:03:05 From Cheri Hudson Passey : You can do the same in Legacy.
11:03:19 From Cassandra Davis : Do you include Play or Second Mom’s? Had not thought of it, but I should. Just I should add Godparents. Thanks.
11:03:45 From Deb Andrew : You can add others in Legacy.
11:04:03 From Michelle Minner : I had one set of biological parents, an adopted father, and a set of guardians…I have in family tree maker all set up.
11:04:27 From Randy Seaver : I have many small “Seaver bushes” in my RootsMagic tree and AMT because I’m trying to find all Seaver folks. They are not connected to my really big Seaver tree.
11:04:49 From Cassandra Davis to All panelists : People may only live in your trees, so it is important.
11:04:53 From Danine Cozzens : Yes, Reunion [for Mac iOS] can do this, too.
11:06:01 From Cassandra Davis to All panelists : if you do a one pace or one name study, you have bushes.
11:06:02 From Danine Cozzens : I track some parallel families that I know were close but not related that I know.

11:07:14 From Gary Gauthier : I track some associated families to flesh out the story/context.
11:09:00 From Shelley Murphy : But that is not how most view it, sadly to say.
11:09:10 From Robbin Smith : This post is particularly true in Miami, we have Bahamian-Americans, Haitian-American, etc.
11:09:13 From Shelley Murphy : “I am a rebel”
11:10:01 From Shelley Murphy : Things keep happening to make these things come out.

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11:10:48 From Cousin Russ : DearMYRTLE and Cousin Russ recognize the United Nations’ International Decade for People of African Descent 2015-2024. We reach out to _all_ regardless of race, color, creed, sexual orientation or national origin with support for researching family and documenting cultural inheritance.
11:11:08 From Shelley Murphy : Take me with you to Wales… [NOTE from DearMYRTLE: We would have a blast, Shelley. 🙂  ]
11:12:44 From Valerie Lisk : Shelly, I am happy to say I have not seen this. Might be that I am in the MidWest and I am ALWAYS the only one.
11:13:29 From Shelley Murphy : Thank you Cousin Russ..
11:14:20 From Shelley Murphy : Scared = many things, Fear, embarrassed & etc.
11:14:20 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : I live in NYC when I attend a class at the New York Public Library we have people of different nationalities and races I never assume anything I have learned that people come from all over the world and you can’t assume anything, and that is just from living in New York
11:15:37 From Shelley Murphy : Valerie it’s all over, I am from the Midwest and now live in the South. I typically am the only one in most of the group I flow.
11:16:50 From Michelle Minner : Disability prejudice is RAMPANT! My husband was in a wheelchair, and everyone always asked what he wanted, or assumed I was paying the bill, etc.
11:16:52 From John Laws : Currently in the UK referring to folk as being ‘people of color’ is considered old language and offensive.
11:17:14 From Hilary Gadsby : We cannot assume anything we need to approach our research with an open mind.
11:18:23 From Shelley Murphy : We can make the change needed.
11:18:50 From June Butka : Even in our own communities, words have different meaning depending on where you live. You can easily hurt someone’s feelings without even knowing it.
11:18:53 From Michelle Minner : Shelly Murphy…YES! It is up to each of us to be the ones that make that change!
11:19:40 From Shelley Murphy : Amen Pat!
11:20:28 From Shelley Murphy : They are telling a little story!
11:20:45 From Kathleen Daetsch  : My neighbor is from Suriname and what we have in common is our Dutch ancestry we forget that South Americans were also immigrants from different part of the world.
11:21:59 From Danine Cozzens to All panelists : Russ, someone did an Excel spreadsheet that helps analyze several of those pre-1850 families on the same page. I’ll try to find that.
11:22:29 From Cousin Russ : Danine – I think that is the one I have looked at and want to study
11:25:00 From Launa : Are Hilary and Pat sharing male intruders?
11:26:11 From Cheri Hudson Passey : Yet!!!!
11:26:27 From Hilary Gadsby to Launa and all panelists : My husband brought me a cup of tea.

11:26:42 From Cousin Russ : RANDY SEAVERS’ RootsTech 2019 SLC Blog Compendium – Updated
11:27:38 From Danine Cozzens to All panelists : Russ, I think this is the site that had some census tools.
11:27:56 From Cousin Russ : Thank you, Danine
11:29:55 From Gary Gauthier : Really enjoyed the DNA discussion.
11:29:58 From Janine Edmée Hakim : Thank you
11:29:59 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : You are absolutely amazing! Thank you
11:30:02 From Sheryl Whisenhunt : Thank you.
11:30:04 From June Butka : Awesome job all.
11:30:11 From Michelle Minner : Yes…good day meeting!
11:30:14 From Shelley Murphy : Enjoyed it. Thanks Always good to be here and be involved.
11:30:17 From Doris Haskell to All panelists : Hugs from my heart to everyone
11:30:19 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : Thank you for sharing with us

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QuickLook Video: RootsMagic – Adding Media Files

RootsMagic Adding Media Files

My friend Maria T. and I are assisting our neighbors with RootsMagic, genealogy software to manage the data and images we’re collecting as we climb our family trees. We are to the stage now where folks have scanned or downloaded family photos and vital records of birth, marriage and death. It’s now time to attach the photos and documents to the people in question and it’s a snap.

In this short subject video DearMYRTLE demonstrates how to add a photo to her ancestor’s profile, and add the death certificate to the ancestor’s death event line.


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If you’d like more detailed information for handling media files in RootsMagic, see “Pictures and Media in RootsMagic” at RootsMagic TV (YouTube), shown below. The RootsMagic Magician and his partner Michael Booth do a marvelous job explaining all sorts of additional options including attaching files, sound clips and video clips.



WackyWednesday Q_A

Participate in an unscripted, open discussion in which we consider WHAT are our personal rules for genealogy databases?

  • DOCUMENTATION – direct, indirect, authored work?
  • GPS – Genealogical Proof Standards
  • ONLINE TREES – Private or public (if 90% sure of relationships)
  • CITATIONS – DearMYRTLE’s “Ragu method” (it’s in there), cite first
  • ANALYSIS – is helped when we transcribe and cite well
  • DESKTOP SOFTWARE permits multiple databases
  • BACKUP – cloud, offsite, external hard drive
  • COMPARING ONLINE TREES – Ancestry, FindMyPast, MyHeritage, FamilySearch



19:01:47 From Melissa Barker : Hello Everyone!
19:02:16 From Betty-Lu Burton : Hello Everyone
19:02:58 From Melissa Barker : Hello Deb, hope you are fully recovered!
19:03:29 From Betty-Lu Burton : My son once said he wanted a garage full of antique cars, you know those older than 1960. I and the other lady in the car at the time were both born before 1960.
19:05:41 From Deb Andrew to All panelists : Old Alabama Family Photos
19:06:03 From Marian Koalski : Vegas?
19:06:29 From Betty-Lu Burton : I think any car older than 20 years is considered an antique
19:09:05 From Marian Koalski : I put possibles into my database with a first name of “maybe”
19:09:32 From Marian Koalski : That way I can see them as I research
19:09:55 From Marian Koalski : And I attach whatever sources I have to them
19:10:23 From Betty-Lu Burton : I put in the various larger databases I have received as well as the various family history books I have received as one of my sources. I then note if I had proved it wrong.
19:11:23 From Betty-Lu Burton : Some of these records are what others have used to start their research
19:14:51 From Marian Koalski : I don’t generally put “possibles” into online trees. That’s work, and I don’t invest that effort until I’ve figured things out more definitely.
19:15:34 From Betty-Lu Burton : Find them in all the censuses that they should be in, both Federal and State
19:17:51 From Marian Koalski : I agree, Russ.
19:21:14 From Marian Koalski : Yes, and sometimes I find an index entry for a name that begins with M on the page for C-names. Someone entered it but didn’t notice that he was working on the wrong page.
19:24:47 From Marian Koalski : You’re right, Russ, but this is in my Reunion database, which looks for a name anywhere in a name.
19:25:28 From Marian Koalski : Mine will read something like “maybe Richard Higbee”
19:26:09 From Marian Koalski : I do the ___ for names that I don’t know
19:28:49 From Marian Koalski : I don’t have a mike.
19:29:13 From Marian Koalski : Maybe my difference from Russ is that I don’t do automated searches.
19:34:02 From Marian Koalski : me

19:41:09 From Cousin Russ : Family Tree Maker
19:41:12 From Cousin Russ : .
19:41:19 From Cousin Russ : Legacy Family Tree

19:41:25 From Cousin Russ : RootsMagic

19:42:55 From Cousin Russ : Ancestry App

19:43:47 From Cousin Russ : FAMILY HISTORIAN 6
19:43:48 From Cousin Russ : .
19:46:49 From Sue Holmes Burns to All panelists : I use One Drive for backups as well as an 8T external hard drive.
19:50:26 From Launa Droescher : I use to rotate Tape, then Zip backups. Some day I’m going to delete old backups
19:53:33 From Launa Droescher : that was tape in 1990s and a few years later zip
19:54:54 From Betty-Lu Burton : I know this is not correct, but it helps me to think of the cloud as the internet
19:56:42 From Betty-Lu Burton : because I have to use the internet to get to the cloud
19:56:44 From Sue Holmes Burns to All panelists : When I backup my family file I direct the backup to One Drive, therefore not a copy. A copy of that backup then gets put onto my external hard drive.

20:09:41 From Sweet Sadie to All panelists : This is Robert Kehrer the Product Manager for “Search” at FamilySearch. The % of unindexed digital images is now 77%. You *must* use the catalog to access these records that cannot be found by search, browse or hints.

20:09:58 From Sue Holmes Burns to All panelists : I hate to admit this but I didn’t know where my brother was buried. Yesterday I got a hint from MyHeritage showing me he’s buried at Arlington National Cemetery. Quite a find and surprise.

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Most DearMYRTLE Webinars are embedded in a Myrt’s Musings blog post, along with selected comments and links we mention.