Mondays with Myrt – 29 April 2019


In which we discuss odd spellings for places like SEQUIM, WA. :::giggle::: 

We also hear about Family Tree Live conference held in Alexandria Place, London the previous weekend and take a look at upcoming conferences in Ohio, California, Missouri and Washington, DC in addition to UK conferences, namely TheGenealogyShow.UK and RootsTech- London. Thanks to #FindMyPast for getting the word out EARLY concerning their Tree-to-Tree hinting that will debut this summer. We also take a look at Gary’s post in the Forum for a brief overview of the importance of citing what we are looking at and how this may be a cause for layered citations.

This begs the question – “Do you go back routinely to provide the updated URL for a record you’ve cited in the past?”



10:02:56 From garygauthier : Hi from Calgary
10:03:19 From Robbin Smith : Hello from Miami
10:07:30 From Melissa Barker : Hello Everyone! Coming to you from the Houston County, TN. Archives!
10:08:16 From Doris Haskell : Thanks! I’ll take it!
10:08:27 From Valerie Lisk : Oh My! In April? Is that common Doris?
10:08:35 From garygauthier : We had about a foot of snow in Calgary.
10:08:49 From Cousin Russ : To access an application SAR (Sons of the American Revolution) “worksheet”
10:09:18 From Doris Haskell : My application to the DAR has been denied 5 times so far.
10:12:21 From Pamela Wells : My DAR application is in process in Washington now.
10:12:46 From Kathleen Newbill to All panelists : Boy Scouts does a great job of teaching flag etiquette.
10:14:15 From Betty-Lu Burton : Hello from Arkansas
10:14:29 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : What really started my interest in genealogy was wondering if my grandmother’s family might go back to the Revolution and that I might have a patriot in my ancestry.
10:18:30 From Danine Cozzens : Most of my DAR ancestors fall into the red-flagged category. (Having pulled all those apps, I agree.)
10:18:54 From Sheryl Zeringue to All panelists : Good morning from South Louisiana.
10:18:54 From Danine Cozzens : Girls Scouts did too!
10:19:47 From Marcia Philbrick : My original DAR application was denied because of same name issues (Jason Hammond, CT). I went in on the father of the person I originally applied on. I know that records are confused for 2 James Crawfords in KY.
10:20:10 From Molly McKinley : One of mine that was accepted is now blocked.
10:21:27 From Graham Walter : What is the ‘red flag’ issue? [NOTE: “Red flagged” means the lineage is in question, more research required.]
10:22:32 From Graham Walter : OK – that puts it into perspective
10:23:53 From Doris Haskell : Yes. Thank you. There is someone in New York trying to help me. And each rejection is for a different patriot. I’ll be happy to talk with you later.
10:24:23 From Doris Haskell : Yes.
10:24:27 From Doris Haskell : In Huntington
10:24:56 From Doris Haskell : It’s fun to say Loong Island

10:26:47 From Cousin Russ : Origins (Amazon Prime Video) .
10:27:14 From Doris Haskell : In the early days, there were many farms. My ancestors built a grain mill that was powered with a water wheel.
10:28:09 From Nathan Dylan Goodwin to All panelists : Guess what I’ll be watching tonight? Origins! Thanks for the recommendation!
10:28:11 From Marian Koalski to All panelists : Yes, the nuns cheat for her
10:29:21 From Graham Walter : Unfortunately not on Prime UK 🙁
10:31:30 From Dave Robison to All panelists : I’m with Nathan…but only after the Red Sox game!
10:34:23 From Doris Haskell : Where do you go to get permission to enter that cemetery?
10:36:56 From Marian Koalski to All panelists : Pat, you’re saying Dorchester “right.”
10:37:21 From Cecelia DeBolt : How interesting! I love the detective work!
10:37:29 From Doris Haskell : What if it was a secret NPE? [NOTE: In DearMYRTLE’s experience, most non-paternal event or misattributed parentage situations were indeed secret.]
10:38:32 From Randy Seaver : word for word transcription of wills and deeds reveals many secrets! The challenge is to find them and that they are readable.
10:40:11 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists :
10:40:26 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists :
10:40:37 From Randy Seaver : I have a dedicated transcription time every Sunday after church in order to feed the Amanuensis Monday posts.
10:41:02 From Marian Koalski to All panelists : Some parts of Dorchester are rough
10:41:15 From Dave Robison : But Marian, there are no “R’s” in Dorchester!! HA!
10:41:32 From Randy Seaver : Dohchestah?
10:41:45 From Marian Koalski to All panelists : Right, Dave!
10:42:06 From Randy Seaver : or Woiostah either
10:42:19 From Randy Seaver : Woostah
10:42:25 From Doris Haskell : As in, “Park the car in Harvard Yard”.
10:42:53 From Hilary Gadsby : Don’t like pronouncing our English place names
10:44:26 From Graham Walter : lavender?
10:44:41 From Danine Cozzens to All panelists : Squeem!
10:44:41 From Betsey Cotter to All panelists : squim
10:44:55 From Betsey Cotter to All panelists : and it is lavender
10:45:37 From Betsey Cotter to All panelists : Second biggest lavender producer outside Provence, France

Janet Few The History Interpreter
10:47:00 From Randy Seaver : Janet Few (The History Interpreter) wrote several blog posts about Family Tree Live in
10:47:41 From John Laws : Also grown in North West Norfolk
10:50:08 From Dave Robison to All panelists : Time to run….Thanks for letting me discuss SAR/DAR!
10:51:41 From Hilary Gadsby to All panelists : Nathan is in the attendees he was at Family Tree Live
10:51:42 From garygauthier : Isn’t lavender also grown in Tunbridge Wells? It’s where my grandmum was born.
10:52:09 From Randy Seaver : Nick Barratt?
10:52:46 From Randy Seaver : of WDYTYA UK
10:53:27 From Hilary Gadsby to All panelists : Nick is good presenter did WDYTYA when it started in UK
10:53:39 From Michelle Minner : I spent my working life teaching computer systems…and the more of the senses you can engage in teaching, the better the students will retain the knowledge…I like using as many as possible.
10:55:32 From Randy Seaver : it’s probably behind his wookie
10:56:48 From Randy Seaver : Janet writes funny stuff…I enjoy her blog posts
11:01:29 From Randy Seaver : I wonder how many links in the book are still active?

Nathan Goodwin website

11:02:08 From Cousin Russ :
11:02:57 From Graham Walter : I’ll be there at THE Genealogy Show
11:03:34 From Valerie Lisk : I need Nathan’s books in audio form so I can listen while I do research etc.
11:04:26 From Valerie Lisk : Sorry, audio.
11:04:55 From Hilary Gadsby : Many of Nathan’s books are available as audio books
11:06:40 From Valerie Lisk : Hilary, good to know. I have not been able to find them I have to look again. Thanks!
11:08:02 From Graham Walter : FGS Program Overview…
11:09:38 From Randy Seaver : we are going to Jamboree in Burbank on May 30-June 2 – 50th anniversary!
11:10:08 From Cathy Naborowski to All panelists : We couldn’t do local/state conferences without volunteers!!!!
11:10:45 From Devon Lee : Can’t wait to go to Jamboree!!!!
11:10:52 From Robbin Smith : I wish I could go!
11:11:10 From Jenny Hawran : Jamboree is incredible. One of the best “small” conferences around
11:11:12 From Graham Walter : Nathan’s books on …
11:11:42 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists :
11:11:49 From Valerie Lisk : Thanks Graham!
11:11:54 From Devon Lee : I’ll take advantage of that shuttle. Thanks for the tip Randy. We walked there last year
11:13:57 From Devon Lee : Aww. Thanks Pat.
11:14:01 From Randy Seaver : Just call the hotel for a pickup at the airport or train stop
11:14:09 From Cousin Russ :
11:15:14 From Devon Lee : Mason, Ohio, here we come Russ. Can’t wait to see ya.
11:15:36 From Pamela Wells : Russ, where in Ohio, please?
11:15:49 From Cousin Russ :
11:16:10 From Pamela Wells : Just saw the answer, Russ….I’m from Dayton, Ohio originally
11:16:13 From Randy Seaver : Pamela, Mason, Ohio
11:16:20 From Graham Walter : Mason OH – near Cincinnati
11:16:30 From Pamela Wells : Thank you, Randy!
11:17:54 From Cousin Russ : Tree to Tree Hinting at FindMyPast
11:17:58 From Pamela Wells : Thank you, Graham!
11:18:26 From Randy Seaver : Findmypast has taken away the link they had to the collaborative tree, which was the FamilySearch Family Tree. It was searchable but not able to add to it.


11:20:35 From Pamela Wells : Does anyone know if there is there a good WikiTree You Tube tutorial available? I would like to learn more about it?
11:21:07 From Randy Seaver : Pamela, WikiTree has many YouTube videos – check their page
11:21:52 From Cousin Russ :
11:22:01 From Pamela Wells : Thank you, Randy and Russ!
11:22:21 From Cousin Russ : WikiTree YouTube
11:22:41 From Pamela Wells : Thank you very much Myrtle!
11:22:54 From Pamela Wells : Thank you Hilary!

11:23:36 From Cousin Russ : Gary G the “History Hunter” in Forum? See “Why do Ancestry citations contain the website and original information as a single layer?
11:26:11 From Randy Seaver : scroll down a bit for EE answer
11:27:40 From Randy Seaver : is the first type, and FamilySearch does both types – one for indexed records, the other for digital microfilm without indexed images
11:31:37 From Randy Seaver : A lot of Ancestry databases have waypoints in the string at the top of the image – I usually cite that in the Source Detail of the citation.
11:32:38 From Randy Seaver : .
11:33:52 From Devon Lee : I really love those waypoints
11:35:31 From Randy Seaver : I know I have WorldvitalRecords, Mocavo, MooseRoots and several more removed sites in my source citations.
11:35:34 From Randy Seaver : .
11:36:08 From Marcia Philbrick : When you document sites as cousin Russ suggested, one should be able to find it on the Wayback machine.
11:36:11 From Randy Seaver : The only solution is to download the record image and the citation and add it o your tree.
11:36:22 From Randy Seaver : .
11:36:58 From Randy Seaver : I’m not sure that the Wayback Machine has every dynamic web page with the images or record summary. I doubt that they do.
11:38:35 From Hilary Gadsby : We need to include enough detail so that it can be found even if the website changes the original record is the important part
11:38:44 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : The Way Back Machine
11:39:08 From garygauthier : The National Archives also has an archive of its web pages e.g. 1837Online
11:39:22 From Cousin Russ : The Way Back Machine
11:40:21 From Graham Walter : Have a good trip Russ
11:40:33 From Cecelia DeBolt : Thank you! Great session!
11:40:47 From Pamela Wells : Thank you all for your expertise in so many areas Panel!
11:40:57 From Doris Haskell : Thank you, everyone. Have a great trip, Russ.
11:41:08 From Pamela Wells : Safe travels, Russ!
11:41:10 From Graham Walter : Have a great everyone

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ARCHIVED: Mondays with Myrt 3 Dec 2018


First week in December 2018, we discuss all sorts of genea-things:

  • THE Genealogy Show – Preparing for our trip to Birmingham, England and a few ancestral spots.
  • Valerie & Myrt’s Excellent Genealogy Adventures
  • Ideas for digitizing photos and family heirlooms
  • Tribal Pages



10:02:06 From Hilary Gadsby to All panelists : Hopefully this will work
10:02:57 From Randy Seaver : It’s Angel Linda’s birthday today too. Happy birthday, Hilary!!
10:02:59 From Bill West : Good morning from balmy Massachusetts!
10:03:54 From grahamwalter : Hello All from London
10:03:55 From Robbin Smith : hello from sunny Miami!
10:03:57 From John Laws : Dry Dark and bitterly cold in Scotland Snow forecast for Friday
10:04:05 From Launa Droescher : 30 miles of u Myrt Snow that darn lake effect
10:04:17 From Yvonne Demoskoff : Happy birthday, Linda!
10:04:29 From Hilary Gadsby to All panelists : Who do you think you are? (UK) this is the Introduction to the series
10:04:37 From Cousin Russ : .
10:05:11 From Randy Seaver : Where in Norway are Mr. Myrt’s roots? Linda’s are in Sogndal and Hordaland [NOTE: Mr. Myrt’s ancestral hail from Surnandahl.]
10:05:25 From Betty-Lu Burton : Good Day. I hope my internet behaves today. So far it is not being very good so far today
10:08:04 From Cousin Russ : Valerie’s Delta Airlines Agent
10:08:12 From Sheryl Zeringue to All panelists : Good morning from chilly South Louisiana.
10:09:03 From Hilary Gadsby : I find that coming to the UK is worse for jet lag.
10:09:09 From Randy Seaver to All panelists : Here is my 52 Ancestors biography post about 6th great-grand William Champlin. The only records for some of the parent-child relationships are the land deeds in Rhode Island records. Some families had no vital records, or perhaps only a marriage record. In this case William did not have a probate record. See

10:10:33 From Cousin Russ : THE Genealogy Show
10:11:10 From Hilary Gadsby : I still need to book my hotel for The Genealogy Show
10:12:31 From Randy Seaver : Hilary, I totally agree. We always landed in Heathrow in the early morning, after a sleepless flight. Then we had to drive to Derby and get to the hotel by noon or so. It always took me 3-4 days to acclimate and then it was time to come home. Oh, had to be alert the next morning to communicate with the Rolls Royce engineers.
10:18:33 From Marian Koalski : Even driving from Mass. to Penna., I want Scotty to beam me up.
10:18:59 From Betty-Lu Burton : Myrt you might want to start acclimate before you go.
10:20:12 From Pam Helm : I find going there is no problem with the time change but coming home I am tired for 2 weeks
10:20:31 From Marian Koalski : Any time I get off a plane, it feels like midnight.
10:20:31 From Launa Droescher : That’s my problem, in US I’m night person. Guess I should live in England.
10:20:44 From Linda Jordan to All panelists : I stay up all day, maybe take a short nap – if possible, then go to bed at normal time where I am. Then start normal times.
10:21:15 From Linda Jordan to All panelists : Yes, it’s easier to try to forget time. I’m in my mid 60s, just did this at beginning of November.
10:21:19 From Hilary Gadsby : I was lucky last time I came over as I left morning and arrived in the evening and when I came back my final flight left early evening and I got back in the morning.
10:22:14 From Robbin Smith : I have found that using sleep eye mask on the plane and listening to audio books to fall asleep too

10:23:57 From Cousin Russ :
10:26:29 From Hilary Gadsby : It is easier to get a train to Birmingham as any hotel for the NEC will be close to the railway station
10:27:23 From Cousin Russ : Here is my 52 Ancestors biography post about 6th great-grand William Champlin. The only records for some of the parent-child relationships are the land deeds in Rhode Island records. Some families had no vital records, or perhaps only a marriage record. In this case William did not have a probate record. See
10:34:07 From Betty-Lu Burton : Yea that abstract is about 1/5 or the whole document.
10:34:39 From Randy Seaver : My Amanuensis (transcription) post today is
10:36:50 From Betty-Lu Burton : Using Land Records I was able to prove that my ancestor married a second time. 3 deeds put together shows all the relationships
10:38:32 From Betty-Lu Burton : The color coding would help in evaluating the information
10:39:02 From Pamela Wells : My husband appears to possibly be related to Randy Seaver…I’m looking at a William Champlin born 1702 in Westerly, Washington, RI !
10:39:18 From Pamela Wells : He is in my family tree
10:39:27 From Randy Seaver : Pamela, a cousin through one of the Champlin ancestors
10:39:59 From Cousin Russ : this is the Introduction to the series
10:41:54 From Randy Seaver : Will the “My Family Secrets Revealed” show be online?
10:42:33 From grahamwalter : The TV company webpage is:
10:44:25 From grahamwalter : The online presence for Channel4 fro catch up is called “All4” –
10:46:15 From Randy Seaver : WDYTYA starts tonight in the USA
10:47:14 From Marian Koalski : When will the DNA testing companies run out of customers?
10:48:33 From grahamwalter : Channel 4 has a YouTube Channel ( – no immediate indication as to whether show will be available through this avenue…

Kodak miniprinter

10:51:48 From Cousin Russ : Kodak Mini 2 HD Wireless Portable Mobile Instant Photo Printer, Print Social Media Photos, Premium Quality Full Color Prints – Compatible w/iOS & Android Devices (Purple)
10:53:54 From grahamwalter : All in 1 paper and ink

Bella Dec 2018
10:55:57 From Gordon Erickson to All panelists : This instead of a cat. OK! [NOTE: We did welcome Bella to the family as an early Christmas present.]
10:56:17 From Randy Seaver to All panelists : LOL Gordon!
10:56:56 From Sheryl Whisenhunt :

11:00:20 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists :  From Denise Levenick “10 Easy Nixplay Hacks to Share Your Family History”
11:07:50 From Cousin Russ : DearMYRTLE’s Facebook Group:
11:07:53 From Launa Droescher : Sorry for out of sync, Need link to AmericanGen Chapter 11 video & notes. Any help.
11:09:00 From Cousin Russ : Launa — check DearMYRTLE’s Blog for the link

11:14:13 From Cousin Russ s : SLIG (Salt Lake Institute of Genealogy) Intermediate Foundations (virtual course) where Myrt and Cousin Russ will provide Zoom webinar tech support:
11:19:26 From Melinda Culpon : Working on digitally archiving and sharing with others
11:19:45 From Doris Haskell : I have talked about this and talked about that idea, but haven’t done anything concrete.
11:20:10 From John Laws : He thinks you want a mountain lion
11:20:15 From Launa Droescher : still trying to find places to send somethings, some has already been given away, some will be a trash hep
11:20:22 From Cathy Naborowski : Not sure but it’s going on my goal list for 2019
11:21:02 From Randy Seaver : Almost everything I write on my blog can go into an ebook or photo book with accompanying stories.
11:21:24 From cyndy Bray : Not sure what to do as no one but me is interested
11:21:25 From Launa Droescher : my mother always said we’d have skunk when family cat passed.
11:22:38 From Hilary Gadsby : Will probably get split up unless my son becomes more interested. Nieces in the family who may be interested.
11:22:58 From Marcia Philbrick : I uploaded audio files from my interview with my dad to Family Search. I think that is the one place that might preserve those files over time.
11:23:15 From Marian Koalski : I’ve been trying to send out an email PDF of family photos and stories each month as a newsletter… more like oldsletter
11:24:42 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : I’m thinking about giving over my files to the New York Public Library which I found out recently excepts genealogies
11:25:13 From John Laws : Tell me about blogger usually I get 50-60 hits – Friday I got 886 Saturday 667 Sunday 689 today 500 already today
11:25:16 From DearMYRTLE . to All panelists : Hilary then Let Melinda talk.
11:26:08 From John Laws : You could get a Lynx

11:26:26 From Randy Seaver : Genealogy data in FamilySearch’s Family Tree should last a long time but may get edited. I love the presentation. They will accept photos, stories and audio and maybe video in the future.
11:27:02 From Randy Seaver : I have saved Ancestor and Descendant books on Scribd as PDFs which are found by search engines.
11:27:20 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : I haven’t many family heirlooms but they will go to my son along with all original documents because he is now taking an interest.
11:27:48 From John Laws : I’m taking my research with me to share with St Peter and compare notes on my missing links
11:28:30 From Leah Smith : My cousin and I began a Private Facebook Group on Friday and have been inviting other family members to join. We now have 25 members. So far I have contributed most of the photos and information, but I hope others will eventually contribute. I share Dropbox files with those who show interest.
11:28:42 From grahamwalter :
11:28:59 From Randy Seaver : I might be able to donate my Scribd PDF books with FamilySearch to put in FS Books.
11:29:18 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : John I think I’ll take a copy with me as well then I can brake down all those brick walls
11:31:05 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : hat is a good idea maybe I’ll talk to my son about that team drop box
11:31:17 From Cousin Russ :
11:31:25 From grahamwalter : 5GB free –
11:32:07 From grahamwalter : Personal plans –
11:33:04 From Kathleen Daetsch to All panelists : I have two family facebook groups but that is not complete because it centers on that family
11:33:24 From Cousin Russ :
11:33:52 From Cousin Russ : AmazonBasics Portable Photo Studio
11:33:57 From John Laws : What does Amazon NOT sell
11:34:01 From Melinda Culpon :
11:34:19 From Pamela Wells to All panelists : A dear friend of my just recently passed away at age 80 and I had him take a DNA test and give me management rights to handle it. He also, sent me a huge box of photos, I scanned the photos for him and I built him a family website at which is my family’s website; but, my friend’s is much like it. This is my plan for now and I’m looking for options, for the future, also. The preserving of data is an evolutionary process . Great that you are reviewing possibilities as I am almost 72 now and this website gives me some food for thought. Thank you!

11:35:39 From Pamela Wells to All panelists : No, I’m sorry I don’t right now
11:37:53 From Pamela Wells to All panelists : No
11:38:19 From Pamela Wells to All panelists : It costs me about $25 a year with a discount code
11:38:46 From Pamela Wells to All panelists : I have nothing to do with
11:39:11 From Kathleen Daetsch : I like this idea
11:39:38 From Pamela Wells to All panelists : Thank you for the compliments!
11:40:00 From Pamela Wells to All panelists : It is user friendly and you can add to it as often as wanted with no requirement
11:40:06 From grahamwalter : From their webpage – “Websites can be free or members can pay an annual fee for more space and advanced features.”
11:40:13 From Pamela Wells to All panelists : I use all of features.
11:40:17 From Randy Seaver : Pricing for TribalPages at
11:42:39 From Pamela Wells to All panelists : It has a guest book where people can contact the admin to get their email addresses about their family’s, too.

11:44:34 From Randy Seaver : There are 1509 SEAVER entries in the TribalPages trees.
11:45:02 From Randy Seaver : Is there a limit on how many family members can be on a TribalPages site?
11:45:21 From Robbin Smith : I have done this to help with research
11:45:25 From Robbin Smith : I like it
11:46:06 From Pamela Wells to All panelists : You are welcome! 🙂
11:46:18 From grahamwalter : Have a good day/evening all
11:46:44 From Kathleen Daetsch : thank you good session
11:49:10 From grahamwalter : Randy: TribalPages is unlimited number of names
11:49:26 From Pamela Wells to All panelists : Randy, I don’t think there is a restriction for the number of family members allowed as you are able to upload your Gedcoms there
11:49:39 From grahamwalter : webcam mic versus other mic?
11:50:32 From Launa Droescher : bubbles in sound
11:51:44 From Pamela Wells to All panelists : The website has a free version available for trial just to see if it is something that might work for you…
11:51:59 From Pamela Wells to All panelists : There is also an app

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The Archive Lady: American Archives Month (Oct 2018)

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Melissa LeMaster Barker is a Certified Archives Manager currently working as the Houston County, Tennessee Archivist. She is also a Professional Genealogist and lectures, teaches and writes about researching in archives and records preservation. You’ll find her work here and on the web at:

Melissa recommends the following resources for archival materials:


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19:02:25 From Cousin Russ : GeneaWebinars Calendar of Hangouts, Webinars and Online Chats this coming week:
19:03:19 From Jette Cander` to All panelists : Love it!
19:03:30 From Beverly Anderson : Great job Melissa on your presentation at Pirates of Pedigree.
19:05:15 From Jill : First time for me on Zoom. On our recent to trip a cousin in England just passed on a 3 volume bible from Mr GeniAus’ 3x Great-Grandparents.
19:08:08 From Jill : It’s just after midday
19:11:41 From Cousin Russ : National Archives (US) YouTube
19:15:46 From Lisa Reed : The TVA one was good (as were they all!).
19:16:11 From Sweet Sadie : Jill, I am soooo happy about the bible!!! That’s pretty cool.
19:16:21 From Sweet Sadie : Thank-you for joining us tonight/today.
19:20:02 From Launa Droescher : think Mrs Bush helped get digital Genealogy going

19:23:16 From Sweet Sadie : The SLC Main Library does have a small genealogy reference section. However, they chose not to compete with the Family History Library just a few blocks away.
19:25:08 From Launa Droescher : but SLC fhl is not open all night either. I’ve tried to get them to just lock me in
19:27:39 From Sweet Sadie : I wish I could be there overnight as well. 🙂
19:33:29 From Launa Droescher: San Bruno 1998 had no idea what I was doing did find stuff just not enough time. the same for CA Sacramento archives
19:36:20 From Launa Droescher : we could keep u busy looking for records for us
19:36:46 From Jill : Our State Library gives us access to Proquest
19:36:50 From Doris Lanier : That reveal happen to be my ancestors on my moms side hope to go see Melissa next year
19:37:46 From Jill : Yes please
19:38:05 From Kathleen Daetsch: I have been to the New York City Municipal Archive a lot. The records online are not complete there is more then the online transcription gives you in the original.

New Jersey State Archives
19:40:00 From Cousin Russ :
19:40:59 From Cousin Russ : National Archives of Australia
19:42:01 From Sweet Sadie to Jill and all panelists : New South Wales State Archives & Records
19:43:30 From Sweet Sadie to Jill and all panelists : Queensland State Archive
19:46:11 From Cousin Russ : THE Genealogy Show

19:58:27 From Cousin Russ : The John Gray Centre

20:04:48 From Cousin Russ :
20:04:53 From Susan Bleimehl : Had a free day and watched them all! Excellent as usual.

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ARCHIVED: Mondays with Myrt 14 May 2018


After 3 weeks hiatus, we discussed

  • Pat Kuhn’s collaboration including family photos
  • The Virtual Genealogy Society
  • THE Genealogy Show 2019 in Birmingham at the NEC
  • Family Tree LIVE in April 2019 in London at the Alexandra Palace
  • Randy Seaver’s mother’s high school records
  • The Ancestry search problem announcement
  • The 23andMe vs. Ancestry lawsuit
  • Thomas Jones 150 years of probate and and Elizabeth Shown Mills 20104 soldiers in the same unit – to identify men with the same name
  • Desktop family tree software vs. online trees
  • Prioritizing which genealogy conference, show, institute or classes to attend


00:56:19 Bill West: Goood morning from not quite sunny southeastern Massachusetts!
00:57:01 Cousin Russ: DearMYRTLE and Cousin Russ recognize the United Nations’ International Decade for People of African Descent 2015-2024. We reach out to _all_ regardless of race, color, creed, sexual orientation or national origin with support for researching family and documenting cultural inheritance.
Professional Genealogy PPS
00:58:21 Melinda Culpon: Professional Genealogy: Preparation, Practice & Standards – Elizabeth Shown Mills
01:10:22 Cousin Russ:

Virtual Genealogy Society
01:10:39 Jacqueline Wilson: I just signed up for that!
01:10:47 Cousin Russ:
01:11:01 Randy Seaver: I joined too
01:11:54 Yvonne Demoskoff: I joined too, Randy; looking forward to it.

01:12:18 Cousin Russ:
01:12:33 Randy Seaver: I think I read that VGS webinars would be available to members for 6 months after the live talk.
01:13:50 Dave Robison: I would like to suggest that any purchases made at Amazon, use the URL You’ll still sign into your own account but a small % of every purchase will be given to the charity of your choice.

Family Tree LIVE 2019
01:15:29 Cousin Russ:
01:17:04 Randy Seaver: so we all could have a two month visit to the UK and go to both of them. Maybe someone could sponsor a genealogy cruise in between the two conferences.
01:17:52 Liv Christensen: I hope to go with a group of Norwegian genealogists.
01:18:31 Cousin Russ: Betty Carringer’s School Records
01:18:56 Hilary Gadsby: Would be great to meet you again Liv
01:19:04 Melinda Culpon: Trying to get my Brummie friend to meet me in Birmingham next year.
01:19:45 Hilary Gadsby: That would be great Melinda
01:19:49 Dave Robison: The Museum of Springfield History and Archives has a massive collection of school records from all Springfield, Mass schools from about 1895 to 1940.
01:23:05 Pat Kuhn: had Latin 1 year, hated it!!!
01:23:48 Hilary Gadsby: I have some of my mother’s reports
01:24:21 Jacqueline Wilson: Random acts of kindness!
01:24:26 Pat Kuhn: I have one for my mother and one for my father

01:25:17 Randy Seaver:
01:27:42 Yvonne Demoskoff: One of the issues I’ve had lately with Ancestry is when I search for someone I get very few (say only a dozen or so) results. I used to get 100s before this problem came up.
01:29:39 Yvonne Demoskoff: And the results or matches aren’t any more relevant than they used to be.
01:31:31 Molly McKinley: Great advice.
01:32:52 Jacqueline Wilson: The book [ProfGen: PPS] is out of stock & will be available on May 16! It sold out!!!!!
01:36:02 Robbin Smith: Mine is being delivered today
01:38:52 Robbin Smith: I dislike those kinds of “photos” too
01:42:44 Shelley Murphy: yes

Regarding 23&Me lawsuit against AncestryDNA, DearMYRTLE recommends joining Blaine Bettinger’s Genetic Genealogy Tips and Techniques Facebook Group. There is simply no way to independently create the information he provides there.

01:43:17 Shelley Murphy: I believe it’s a very valid point
01:43:24 Robbin Smith: ok by me


Forensic Genealogist CeCe Moore partnered with a company to work with law enforcement.
01:43:45 Shelley Murphy: CeCe opened another company
01:43:54 Karen Trearchis: I think it was a good use to the database. I am glad they caught the man.
01:45:15 Rebecca Williams: My opinion: If you put your information on an open public website, then you shouldn’t be upset. Law enforcement has used DNA since around 1988.
01:45:36 Shelley Murphy: she posted on Facebook about it
01:46:33 Robbin Smith: I agree with Rebecca
01:46:52 Robbin Smith: i would object if they got the DNA match thru the private companies
01:47:01 Jacqueline Wilson: I am sooooo sorry to hear about your family member. Hoping for a quick recovery
01:47:32 Randy Seaver: Parabon
01:47:37 Jacqueline Wilson: Yeah for decluttering!!!
01:47:40 Linda Stufflebean: My son was born in CA in 1988 – yesterday I saw a story online that CA has taken DNA swabs from infants born there since 1983 and parents were told. I don’t ever remember hearing about it and the DNA is stored in a database.
01:47:54 Karen Trearchis: I am very sorry to learn about your family member.
01:54:35 Jacqueline Wilson: It was live-streamed, so I got to see it!
02:00:19 Jacqueline Wilson: Will Legacy talk to Ancestry? NOTE: Family Tree Maker and RootsMagic are the only programs that can perform a data/image sync between an Ancestry Member Tree and the desktop version of the software programs. Legacy can indicate hints for various websites.

02:00:43 Bill West: Being paranoid, I keep a RM database on my computer in case I lose internet access. And I keep online trees in case my hard drive goes kaput.
02:02:38 Randy Seaver: The most pertinent article I’ve written about having genealogy software vs. online trees is probably at
02:05:24 Randy Seaver: Jacqueline, Legacy Family Tree will be able to talk to your MyHeritage tree soon. Gilad’s webinar last week was excellent.
02:07:18 Hilary Gadsby: I have several programs on my PC but that is because I like different features from each of them. My main program does not sync with any online tree but does find hints if I want them.

Deciding to go to a genealogy class, conference or institute is based on the following factors, different for each individual.

  • Proximity to one’s residence
  • Time of year with regard to family and work requirements
  • Proximity to an ancestral place of research
  • RootsTech (go there at least once)
  • Institutes offer a week of instructor-led course study, frequently with homework,

02:14:08 Hilary Gadsby: I have decided not to go to RootsTech next year as I am expecting to meet up with many of them in the UK events. I may go in 2020 however. I am going to Guild conference as well next year as it is 40th anniversary and in an area where I can stay and do research.
02:14:40 Hilary Gadsby: By them I mean friends.
02:15:07 Melinda Culpon: In my opinion I think those of you who were “covering” the conference had a different experience than just attending RootsTech. But yes I am more of a student
02:16:28 Randy Seaver: My time balance also includes the life situations I have – my Linda has mobility and memory problems and it’s hard to find things for her to do. Parties at the conference now become a feature.
02:16:48 Hilary Gadsby: I have attended RootsTech twice and had similar experience although slightly busier this last time.
02:16:49 Yvonne Demoskoff: I went to my first NGS conference in 2013 because of the quality of speakers, in particular ESM and Thomas Jones.
02:18:50 Randy Seaver: When we went to NGS and FGS in past years, I tried to also visit genealogy repositories and ancestry places
02:19:13 Cathy Naborowski: RootsTech is just too big for me. I like the size of NGS. But everyone should do RootsTech at least once.
02:20:57 Jacqueline Wilson: Randy: Hostler?
02:23:16 Randy Seaver: Jackie – maybe. At the Inn, he managed the horses – watering, feeding, cooling, washing, hitching up, etc. At 15 years old. He ended up being a horse trader later inl ife.
02:23:44 Karen Trearchis: I attend NERGC, New England Regional Genealogical conference.every 2 years & have been going since 2005. I love the excitement, the vending hall, work at our society’s booth. attending workshops in the Vendor Hall & classes. I went to FGS Springfield, Ill. I attended the great classes for society building! Love it and attended classes and enjoyed visiting an area I never been before. I am going to attend FGS19 in Washington,DC. My son is now living in Alexandria, VA. I want to go to the National Archives, too. So far I have not been able to go to Rootstech because of the expense, from the east coast, hotels,food. Maybe someday.
02:24:18 Hilary Gadsby: We call them Ostler in England
02:25:04 Randy Seaver: Hilary: I didn’t know that! Some of my Vaux relatives in Somerset married Ostler.
02:26:20 Jacqueline Wilson: I sometimes pick the conference I go to by location – if it is someplace I have never been before – just so I can play tourist.
02:26:44 Cousin Russ: The conversation continues —
02:26:45 Hilary Gadsby: My husband has an Ostler in Norwich.
02:27:54 Jacqueline Wilson: Thank you for doing this!!!!!

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What’s the NEC?


Ol’ Myrt here had to ask “What is the NEC?” and I’ve learned it is a marvelous venue known as the National Exhibition Centre, in Birmingham, England. That’s where THE Genealogy Show will be held 7th & 8th June 2019.

So here’s a shout-out to some friends within easy travel distance – John Laws (our man not in Edinburgh, Scotland), Hilary Gadsby (our gal in Wales) and of course Tony Proctor (our man in Ireland), I’m looking forward to seeing you there!

More information will be released on the website over the next month, though you can register your interest as an exhibitor, speaker or sponsor on the website right now –